00:00:10 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800e (34)
00:43:44 <gammafunk> well it's certainly impossible to have any other result than that players would die less to ghosts given the changes we've made
00:43:53 <gammafunk> since ghost fights are now 100% voluntary
00:44:44 <gammafunk> I guess you could look at winrate not involving ghosts or ghost vault kmaps
00:44:52 <johnstein> gammafunk, https://i.imgur.com/4adb8gR.png https://i.imgur.com/s1OjUTn.png https://i.imgur.com/meE2cqI.png
00:44:55 <gammafunk> thanks!
00:44:59 <johnstein> https://imgur.com/a/WcJvc
00:45:06 <johnstein> quite the spread this year for sure
00:45:41 <johnstein> I think I got everything accurate. might be worth someone doing a couple spot checks
00:46:08 <gammafunk> !lg !bot t0.22 kmap!~~ghost / won
00:46:13 <Sequell> 2146/80681 games for bot (t0.22 kmap!~~ghost): N=2146/80681 (2.66%)
00:46:29 <gammafunk> !lg !bot t0.21 cikiller=a_player_ghost
00:46:31 <Sequell> 3257. cfbundy the Firebug (L8 FoFE of Zin), slain by Spif's ghost on D:5 on 2018-01-21 19:54:59, with 834 points after 5262 turns and 0:08:09.
00:46:35 <gammafunk> !lg !bot t0.21 cikiller!=a_player_ghost
00:46:41 <Sequell> 80250. BecksGhost the Hoplite (L22 GrFi of Makhleb), blasted by a quicksilver dragon (bolt of dispelling energy) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2018-01-21 19:59:38, with 385768 points after 42570 turns and 2:18:05.
00:46:43 <gammafunk> !lg !bot t0.21 cikiller!=a_player_ghost / won
00:46:47 <johnstein> man, interesting that the last two summers have increased winrate a bunch: https://i.imgur.com/uPYZuG4.png
00:46:51 <Sequell> 1877/80250 games for bot (t0.21 cikiller!=a_player_ghost): N=1877/80250 (2.34%)
00:47:08 <gammafunk> well winrate does generally increase every release
00:47:31 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.11
00:47:44 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.14
00:47:55 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.17
00:48:09 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.19
00:48:33 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.11): 1545 players, 372 runers, 214 winners, 473 wins, 40176 games, winrate 1.18%, total player time 2y+281d+23:39:42.
00:49:44 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.17): 2834 players, 993 runers, 533 winners, 1400 wins, 74023 games, winrate 1.89%, total player time 4y+242d+15:14:12.
00:50:19 <gammafunk> player-base grows slowly in size yet a lot of people stay around who are getting better and better
00:50:33 <gammafunk> probably if we had some giant birth of growth we'd actually see a decrease
00:50:58 <gammafunk> but yeah sometimes there's a more noticeable bump
00:50:58 <johnstein> !lg * t /won
00:50:58 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.14): 2282 players, 736 runers, 322 winners, 741 wins, 55197 games, winrate 1.34%, total player time 4y+28d+15:49:40.
00:50:58 <Sequell> 2148/81362 games for * (t): N=2148/81362 (2.64%)
00:51:03 <gammafunk> the difference is about 0.3% just excluding any games where ghosts or ghost vaults were the cause
00:51:19 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.22
00:51:30 <gammafunk> which is probably fairly in line from the tournament to tournament increase, but I haven't looked closely
00:51:42 <gammafunk> elliptic might be more familiar with the historical trends
00:51:56 <johnstein> 2.4 to 2.8 or so
00:52:01 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.19): 3159 players, 1014 runers, 528 winners, 1423 wins, 79391 games, winrate 1.79%, total player time 4y+129d+8:36:16.
00:52:02 <johnstein> so it's close
00:52:26 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.22): 3130 players, 1164 runers, 629 winners, 2146 wins, 76126 games, winrate 2.82%, total player time 4y+289d+12:09:17.
00:52:35 <johnstein> !lg * t place=snake
00:52:37 <Sequell> 512. Azzok the Warrior (L16 DsFi of Cheibriados), slain by Saint Roka (a +1 great sword of slicing) on Snake:2 on 2018-08-26 19:28:14, with 150407 points after 40783 turns and 1:24:48.
00:52:44 <johnstein> !lg * t /place=snake
00:52:47 <Sequell> 512/81362 games for * (t): N=512/81362 (0.63%)
00:52:52 <johnstein> !lg * t0.21 /place=snake
00:53:01 <Sequell> 513/83707 games for * (t0.21): N=513/83707 (0.61%)
00:53:17 <johnstein> hm. figured you'd see a tiny blip due to the relec from shock snakes :)
00:53:28 <johnstein> !lg * t0.21 /cikiller=shock_snake
00:53:30 <Sequell> 0/83707 games for * (t0.21): N=0/83707 (0.00%)
00:53:32 <johnstein> !lg * t0.22 /cikiller=shock_snake
00:53:34 <Sequell> 0/81362 games for * (t0.22): N=0/81362 (0.00%)
00:53:38 <geekosaur> huh. not a lot more winners, but quite a few more wins. you somehow boosted speedrunning?
00:53:40 <gammafunk> I think we saw it did have an effect
00:53:58 <johnstein> !lg * cikiller=shock_snake
00:53:58 <gammafunk> oh yeah there's a "realtime" crowd that's more active these days
00:53:58 <Sequell> No games for * (cikiller=shock_snake).
00:54:01 <geekosaur> but fewer games too
00:54:04 <johnstein> @??shock_snake
00:54:04 <Gretell> unknown monster: "shock_snake"
00:54:10 <gammafunk> so winning more games faster is a bit more in style
00:54:27 <gammafunk> tends to be with easier combos, of course
00:54:47 <johnstein> !lg * t0.22 /cikiller=shock_serpent
00:54:49 <Sequell> 80/81362 games for * (t0.22): N=80/81362 (0.10%)
00:54:51 <gammafunk> I think kuniqs some obscene numbers of ddfi
00:54:53 <johnstein> !lg * t0.21 /cikiller=shock_serpent
00:54:56 <Sequell> 103/83707 games for * (t0.21): N=103/83707 (0.12%)
00:55:04 <gammafunk> !won kuniqs t
00:55:06 <Sequell> kuniqs (t) has won 28 times in 42 games (66.67%): 28xDDFi
00:55:27 <johnstein> !lg * t0.22 /nrunes=3
00:55:28 <Sequell> Unknown field: nrunes
00:55:34 <johnstein> !lg * t0.22 /urunes=3
00:55:35 <Sequell> Unknown field: urunes
00:56:13 <geekosaur> nrune and urune
00:57:18 <johnstein> ty
01:26:33 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800e (34)
02:57:32 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800e
03:11:59 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800e (34)
04:39:14 <Cheibriados> scrolling page by page in item lists no longer wraps 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11643 by TAS2012
05:38:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:10:28 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.23-a0-131-g2622018: Allow minimap to shrink when tile_map_pixels set (RoGGa, #11642) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26220185991a
09:10:28 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.23-a0-132-gfd4a40f: Fix incorrect minimap resizing (RoGGa, #11642) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd4a40fe2994
09:21:12 <Cheibriados> Species select highlight is same color as text 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11644 by thmsdrew
10:10:22 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-132-gfd4a40fe29 (34)
10:13:01 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.23-a0-133-g2ef98b0: Convert some malloc/free code to std::array 10(23 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ef98b0e1779
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-134-g65cab86: fixup! Wrap skill menu in a popup widget 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65cab8605a44
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-135-g7ea54fb: Fix invalid read during program shutdown 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ea54fbb9155
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-136-gc983087: Add UIGrid stretch_h, stretch_v 10(9 weeks ago, 2 files, 19+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c9830874f650
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-137-g3000124: Remove black background from high scores tile 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3000124f9000
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-138-g24a2528: Add text widget background colour (console-only) 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 19+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24a2528fb12e
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-139-ga22c055: Add UI widget input focus 10(9 weeks ago, 8 files, 138+ 82-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a22c0550fd74
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-140-gea93b8a: Add debug drawing 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 33+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ea93b8a4062e
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-141-gd9ebf26: Add add_event_filter() 10(12 days ago, 2 files, 41+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9ebf26e5e3f
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-142-gac89106: Add OuterMenu, MenuButton widgets 10(8 weeks ago, 4 files, 377+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ac89106f29cf
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[newgame-menus] * 0.23-a0-143-ga94b409: Add descriptions to outer menu buttons 10(8 days ago, 2 files, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a94b409c69ca
10:14:16 <Cheibriados> ... and 14 more commits
11:03:31 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-134-g23b030f: Fix a grammar issue with flying corrosive monster bits 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23b030f93548
11:10:27 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-133-g2ef98b0e17 (34)
11:17:08 <advil> hm, ?/ at the main menu (in console at least) is broken right now
11:25:32 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-135-ge225a8b: Add explicit description of jelly spawning mechanic to TRJ 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e225a8b5e981
12:10:22 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-135-ge225a8b5e9 (34)
13:06:46 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-135-ge225a8b (34)
13:20:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:53:30 <Cheibriados> Reading ?acquirement from the scroll description doesn't close inventory window 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11645 by Yermak
14:58:48 <Cheibriados> Stack Five dialog shouldn't list already stacked decks. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11646 by Yermak
15:09:23 <Cheibriados> Inconsistency with skill cap highlighting 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11647 by Yermak
15:15:35 <gammafunk> ^status
15:15:35 <Rotatell> 29 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=85% (135GB) | RAM usage=33% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 15:15:34 up 17 days, 12:56,  1 user,  load average: 1.55, 1.36, 1.33 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
15:49:43 <gammafunk> ^status
15:49:43 <Rotatell> 25 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=85% (135GB) | RAM usage=34% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 15:49:42 up 17 days, 13:31,  2 users,  load average: 1.13, 1.23, 1.25 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
15:56:05 <advil> ^status
15:56:05 <Rotatell> 25 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=85% (135GB) | RAM usage=32% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 15:56:05 up 17 days, 13:37,  2 users,  load average: 1.35, 1.30, 1.27 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
15:59:13 <gammafunk> it's unclear to me how many processing units cbro actually has; is it actually only 4 cores, or 4 cpus with 4 cores each? the status graph seems to imply 16 processing units
15:59:32 <gammafunk> but even if it is only 4, a load average of 1.35 would mean most of them are idle
16:00:02 <gammafunk> johnstein: getting lots of report about lag on cbro if you have time to take a look
16:46:13 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-136-g722f094: Tweak newgame highlighting further for console/webtiles 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/722f094350a0
16:48:32 <advil> that still doesn't seem perfect
16:49:32 <gammafunk> !kw current
16:49:33 <Sequell> Keyword: current => cv>=0.21
16:49:42 <gammafunk> !kw recentish
16:49:43 <Sequell> Keyword: recentish => cv>=0.19
16:49:48 <gammafunk> !kw recentish cv>=0.20
16:49:49 <Sequell> Defined keyword: recentish => cv>=0.20
16:49:55 <gammafunk> !kw recent cv>=0.21
16:49:57 <Sequell> Defined keyword: recent => cv>=0.21
16:50:05 <gammafunk> !kw current cv>=0.22
16:50:07 <Sequell> Defined keyword: current => cv>=0.22
16:50:41 <advil> aidanh one minor thing I just noticed is that on the job selection menu the highlighting expands all the way to the next option to the right, including any blank space below a short column, so it looks a bit unexpected for the jobs in the lower left
16:51:59 <advil> well, I suppose you may have fixed this already in your branch
16:52:06 <advil> that is webtiles specifically
17:02:30 <Cheibriados> Statues block Dith's Shadow step and effect of ?holy word but not effect of ?immolation 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11648 by Yermak
17:06:48 <gammafunk> wow, that's surprising
17:10:28 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-136-g722f094350 (34)
17:18:25 <Cheibriados> Put bazaar items on top of shopping list. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11649 by Yermak
17:19:05 <Yermak> Barachi can never reach max halo or umbra auras. Is this right?
17:22:35 <gammafunk> probably an oversight, although I'm not familiar with the halo/umbra piety progression
17:22:38 <gammafunk> ??halo
17:22:38 <Sequell> halo[1/1]: 1*+ TSO worshippers, users of the {eveningstar of brilliance}, or some holy creatures light up their surroundings like the Olympic Stadium, centered on themselves. Within the halo's radius, every creature (excluding the source) is easier to hit, invisible creatures are revealed, and the player's stealth is halved.
17:22:45 <gammafunk> ??tso
17:22:46 <Sequell> the shining one[1/10]: One of three 'good gods'. Provides a number of passive favors as well as active abilities later. Enjoys killing of evil creatures, and forbids poison, evil/unholy magic or items, attacking distracted or sleeping intelligent creatures, and cannibalism.
17:22:48 <gammafunk> ??tso[2
17:22:49 <Sequell> the shining one[2/10]: Passive abilities include occasionally intervening to save your life, gradual increase of natural rN+, and healing and MP recovery sometimes on kills of evil, demonic, or undead beings. You will also gain a "halo" within which all other beings are easier to hit (and rendered visible); it gradually increases in range with your piety.
17:22:53 <gammafunk> ??tso[3
17:22:53 <Sequell> the shining one[3/10]: Active abilities include strengthening your shield, blasting the surrounding area with cleansing flame, and summoning friendly Angels or Daevas to fight with you. All these abilities cost piety, however, and the better ones depend heavily on your Invocations skill to work properly.
17:25:29 <gammafunk> looks like it could be made to extend to LOS at 6*
17:25:36 <gammafunk> for Ba, that is
17:34:21 <Cheibriados> Barachi can never reach max halo and umbra radii 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11650 by Yermak
18:09:04 <advil> !lg * turns>1000000
18:09:05 <Sequell> 68. BagonaHo the Farming Annihilator (L27 DsFE of Gozag), mangled by Gikaghu the pandemonium lord on Zig:11 on 2018-05-31 12:17:18, with 1879999 points after 1320154 turns and 2d+5:09:20.
18:09:26 <advil> !lg * turns>1000000 s=turns
18:09:26 <Sequell> 68 games for * (turns>1000000): 1005456, 1026376, 1031771, 1040156, 1060972, 1073046, 1086117, 1086132, 1090153, 1098817, 1120400, 1133680, 1135525, 1172132, 1219058, 1234696, 1240406, 1242566, 1249891, 1250728, 1263620, 1272940, 1300000, 1306986, 1313736, 1320154, 1441425, 1471799, 1484368, 1617741, 1642328, 1678264, 1754019, 1761797, 2009633, 2051281, 2083303, 2151278, 2195321, 2206900, 2299038,...
18:09:38 <advil> !lg * turns>1000000 -2
18:09:39 <Sequell> 67/68. igooo the Farming Archmage (L27 FeFE), splashed with acid on Slime:1 on 2018-05-27 11:14:32, with 1879999 points after 32486737 turns and 2d+21:39:19.
18:09:53 <advil> !lg * turns>1000000 -3
18:09:54 <Sequell> 66/68. Yehuk the Farming Ducker (L7 MuGl), quit the game in the Temple (nicolae_temple_the_god_donut) on 2018-03-23 09:28:03, with 795 points after 20002898 turns and 12:42:57.
18:10:03 <advil> !lg * turns>1000000 -2 -log
18:10:04 <Sequell> 67/68. igooo, XL27 FeFE, T:32486737: https://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/igooo/morgue-igooo-20180527-111432.txt
18:21:25 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-136-g722f094350 (34)
18:30:05 <advil> ^status
18:30:06 <Rotatell> 27 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=86% (135GB) | RAM usage=38% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 18:30:05 up 17 days, 16:11,  2 users,  load average: 1.35, 1.31, 1.23 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
18:56:31 <johnstein> doesn’t look weird
18:57:06 <johnstein> I’ll be home in a couple hours. I’ll be able to do proper sleuthing then
18:57:51 <advil> johnstein the user who was doing the apocalypse run stopped, and now it seems ok, so it was probably that
18:58:10 <johnstein> what is apocalypse run?
18:59:40 <johnstein> I just read the posts in discord
18:59:41 <johnstein> hmmmm
18:59:59 <johnstein> if that’s really making huge ttyrecs that would be disappointing
19:02:10 <advil> I don't think it's likely to continue
19:02:11 <gammafunk> johnstein: it was malcolmrose doing an apocolypse game, yeah, seems it's stopped now
19:06:10 <advil> "Setting rest_delay = -1 will prevent the display updating during resting." I notice that this isn't actually true, I wonder if it is supposed to be?
19:07:47 <advil> well, maybe that just means the map
19:07:55 <advil> which if so, it's correct
19:08:37 <johnstein> ??apocalypse
19:08:38 <Sequell> apocalypse[1/3]: Ru's 5* ability. Deals heavy damage to all enemies in LOS and can add statuses like mute, paralysis, and slow. Costs about 1.5 to 2 skill levels of drain. Very loud.
19:09:18 <johnstein> which experimentals do people want back? hellcrawl and gooncrawl I’ll add back. but what about the other ones?
19:10:23 <advil> what other ones were there? I don't remember any dev ones that we need, maybe there were some for older PRs?
19:10:51 <advil> johnstein "apocalypse" is referring to the end of the world in terms of time
19:11:06 <advil> !source main.cc:2245
19:11:07 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/main.cc#L2245
19:11:08 <Lightli> ??plan
19:11:08 <Sequell> plan[1/2]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.21-Development-and-Release-Plan
19:12:03 <advil> I wouldn't have any problem with reducing that limit by 2 orders of magnitude, personally
19:14:01 <advil> !lg * turns>2000000
19:14:02 <Sequell> 34. igooo the Farming Archmage (L27 FeFE), splashed with acid on Slime:1 on 2018-05-27 11:14:32, with 1879999 points after 32486737 turns and 2d+21:39:19.
19:14:21 <advil> !lg * turns>2000000 -2
19:14:21 <Sequell> 33/34. Yehuk the Farming Ducker (L7 MuGl), quit the game in the Temple (nicolae_temple_the_god_donut) on 2018-03-23 09:28:03, with 795 points after 20002898 turns and 12:42:57.
19:14:27 <advil> !lg * turns>2000000 -3
19:14:28 <Sequell> 32/34. SmSkdm the Farming Grave Robber (L1 MuNe), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) on D:1 on 2018-02-04 00:56:37, with 0 points after 2009633 turns and 0:17:30.
19:14:36 <advil> !lg * turns>2000000 -4
19:14:37 <Sequell> 31/34. Tux the Farming Skirmisher (L7 MuGl), quit the game in the Temple (compressed_dpeg_circular_temple) on 2017-11-12 17:59:45, with 833 points after 3149245 turns and 1:50:32.
19:15:08 <advil> !lg * turns>2000000 s=turns
19:15:09 <Sequell> 34 games for * (turns>2000000): 2009633, 2051281, 2083303, 2151278, 2195321, 2206900, 2299038, 2434396, 2500625, 2664435, 2882173, 2996994, 3026564, 3047879, 3149245, 3190190, 3285357, 4221225, 5140096, 5260072, 5265790, 7518425, 8213459, 10481497, 16862099, 17521353, 20002898, 32486737, 57270243, 92568259, 167116068, 199999771, 199999999, 200005902
19:18:02 <advil> I guess that might encourage people to do more of these, 2M turns doesn't take nearly so long
19:26:57 <gammafunk> @?goblin
19:27:18 <gammafunk> @?goblin
19:27:22 <gammafunk> @?goblin
19:27:33 <gammafunk> @?goblin
19:27:35 <Gretell> goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human.
19:27:38 <Gretell> goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human.
19:27:41 <Gretell> goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human.
19:31:46 <Bloax> interesting delay
19:32:58 <Lightli> ??plan
19:32:58 <Sequell> plan[1/2]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.21-Development-and-Release-Plan
19:48:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
19:51:11 <gammafunk> advil: I corrected uv4's false information about "no new crawl developers since 2016" in that one thread about "stalled development", but feel free to weigh in yourself if you haven't seen
19:55:57 <advil> ok, thanks
19:57:05 <gammafunk> reminds me of how we never made a tavern post for aidanh
19:58:09 <gammafunk> wow, advil's final post in his "welcome to the devteam post" is one to blame |amethyst
20:02:58 -!- Bloax was kicked from ##crawl-dev by MarvinPA [Bloax]
20:23:15 <advil> haha
20:24:19 <advil> er, that was laughing in response to gammafunk, to be clear
20:41:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:03:41 <alexjurkiewicz> speaking of old PRs, anyone interested in merging the datafiles change? :)
21:05:34 <advil> yeah, I'll do it soonish
21:05:45 <advil> after the 0.22.1 release
21:06:30 <advil> that also goes for the pw request thing, lua docs, and probably other stuff
21:07:46 <advil> maybe I'll even merge fixedpoint
21:17:03 <alexjurkiewicz> 🙌
21:18:41 <gammafunk> What is the pw thing again?
21:19:05 <gammafunk> oh, passwords
21:19:08 <gammafunk> yeah that'll be great
21:19:42 <gammafunk> I'll probably work on some of those unrand changes and some other smaller fixes in the nearterm, maybe a few more ghost vaults
21:20:18 <gammafunk> Want to eventually get started on the Lab->Gauntlet (or whatever it will be called) thing and look more into the idea of the Desert branch
21:20:42 <gammafunk> oh, another nearterm thing is pubby's species idea, but I need to sit down with that one more carefully
21:20:42 <alexjurkiewicz> what's fixedpoint?
21:21:00 <alexjurkiewicz> oh decimal point math
21:21:06 <gammafunk> yeah
21:21:17 <gammafunk> instead of all the ad-hoc "large enough integers" math
21:21:31 <alexjurkiewicz> oh my god. I love this. You don't know how mad skill code has made me
21:21:35 <advil> heh
21:21:39 <gammafunk> will be nice to have that
21:21:44 <advil> I don't think I've actually gotten to the skill code yet but I will
21:22:09 <gammafunk> will hopefully reduce the number of unforseen consequences of integer math bugs
21:22:30 <gammafunk> the weirdest thing I saw when browsing that code was the testing code!
21:22:52 <gammafunk> it's got some pretty crazy tests
21:22:52 <advil> yeah I like writing tests
21:23:08 <gammafunk> A professor who likes writing tests...
21:23:21 <alexjurkiewicz> crawl has a test framework?
21:23:37 <advil> it does, but this is just fixedp internal stuff
21:24:29 <advil> https://github.com/rawlins/crawl/blob/fixedpoint/crawl-ref/source/fixedp.h#L499
21:24:33 <alexjurkiewicz> I like the positive and negative tests against the same value
21:25:09 <gammafunk> it does seem sort of odd to me that they're in this giant sequential list
21:25:22 <gammafunk> obviously that's how tests are done, but is there a different way to organize all of that?
21:25:43 <gammafunk> I guess really there's no avoiding that when doing tests like this
21:26:21 <advil> one could group them by type beyond just using comments, or something
21:27:00 <advil> or put them in a different file, but in this case it's convenient to have them in the header because compiling already does a lot of work in making sure the class works
21:27:10 <alexjurkiewicz> so much `- [...] scale` in the diffs 😍
21:27:50 <advil> the challenge is still that converting a piece of crawlcode over is pretty exhausting, because all the code that uses scales tends to be fairly inscrutable
21:31:49 <Yermak> Guys, I have an impression that there is something wrong with Sif piety after 5 stars. I think I got mine 6 stars when I turned on only magic skills and went to Zig.
21:32:07 <Yermak> Could someone make a sequell request to get the ratio of Sif games played where full piety wasn't reached to all Sif games, where Sif game is a won game with no other god worshiped?
21:32:26 <Yermak> Side note: going from 5 stars to 6 stars has no impact on everyday gameplay, only on tourney.
21:32:33 <advil> piety growth for sif is definitely slower than all other gods
21:32:55 <advil> I did a bunch of queries like that ~6 months ago and they show what you are expecting
21:33:29 <Yermak> Do you remember the actual percentage?
21:33:29 <advil> no, and it wasn't that exact query, just something along the same lines
21:33:54 <advil> but it's hard to get 6 stars
21:34:07 <advil> it came up in the last tourny too
21:35:41 <advil> I think it's basically intentional; I think MPA's (iirc) take was more like, maybe all gods should have slower piety growth in line with sif
21:36:18 <Pinkbeast> Sif also doesn't have a lot of stuff to spend piety on, not to be Captain Obvious
21:37:33 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t god=sif won
21:37:37 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t god=sif won champion
21:37:38 <Yermak> akhem, akhem. I wouldn't mind I could spam her second ability without restrictions.
21:37:38 <Sequell> 4717. [2018-08-26 19:34:05] inipro the Pyromancer (L27 DrCj of Sif Muna) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:37:41 <Sequell> 46. [2018-08-26 17:49:19] inipro the Eclecticist (L22 DrCj of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 121863. (Depths:3)
21:39:11 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, not quite right
21:39:17 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * t god=sif won
21:39:18 <Sequell> 49. inipro the Pyromancer (L27 DrCj of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2018-08-26 19:37:36, with 1269090 points after 160074 turns and 11:16:31.
21:39:41 <alexjurkiewicz> so perhaps 46/49 winning Sif games in tourney reached max piety
21:39:56 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t champion !sif x=avg(turn)
21:39:58 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t champion sif x=avg(turn)
21:39:59 <Sequell> 8205 milestones for * (t champion !sif): avg(turn)=21917.68
21:40:01 <Sequell> 102 milestones for * (t champion sif): avg(turn)=52595.16
21:40:51 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t rune urune=2 x=avg(turn)
21:40:53 <Sequell> 4328 milestones for * (t rune urune=2): avg(turn)=41529.45
21:40:57 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * t rune urune=3 x=avg(turn)
21:40:59 <Sequell> 3120 milestones for * (t rune urune=3): avg(turn)=59108.05
21:41:01 <Yermak> hmm, I thought there would be much more than just 3 games without championship.
21:41:14 <advil> !lm * type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna' s=cv x=avg(turn) -graph
21:41:15 <Sequell> 23686 milestones for * (type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna'): https://shalott.org/graphs/88ba5de814a6ae632338b54d5e2767ca9c8337b0.html
21:41:23 <advil> that was the query I was remembering
21:41:29 <alexjurkiewicz> Average sif player reaches max piety while completing third rune, compared to before the first rune for other gods
21:41:52 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna' o=. s=cv x=avg(turn) -graph
21:41:53 <Sequell> 23686 milestones for * (type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna'): https://shalott.org/graphs/2d50c71b82f491e81822be4773520513697bcd57.html
21:43:17 <alexjurkiewicz> I think Sif's slow gain is to balance for the good gifts. Perhaps piety gain and gift timeout can both be increased, which would allow more active ability use without more book gifts
21:43:45 <alexjurkiewicz> %git ff1bd0964ec39ab475a87de2779313b4afd0ef25
21:43:45 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.19-a0-890-gff1bd09: Rework Sif Muna's channeling and piety gain 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff1bd0964ec3
21:46:40 <advil> Yermak btw if you are worried about offending people by ignoring chat, you can type "/hide forever" and it will delete the chat box (just for that session) and not show you as being present at all
21:47:03 <advil> when you minimize it iirc you still show as present though
21:49:34 <Yermak> oh, nice, I was wondering if it were so
21:50:15 <Yermak> But then again, should I type /hide forever at the start of each game, or only each time I relaunch my browser?
21:50:49 <advil> it's per game session, so each time you relaunch the browser
21:50:57 <Yermak> good
21:51:21 <advil> I wonder if I should have it mark people as not there even when just minimized
21:51:46 <Yermak> probably not
22:04:01 <alexjurkiewicz> it would be nice if chat was integrated into the game window, rather than floating over teh top
22:21:41 <aidanh> alexjurkiewicz, that'd be tough; the chat is part of the client code, not the game
22:25:48 <aidanh> gammafunk: not to worry, people already associate me with the ui changes; I even get blamed for advil's ui changes!
22:26:34 <gammafunk> aidanh: I was actually reading from uv4 the other day that advil did the UI rework
22:26:35 <aidanh> advil, yeah, that weirdness is fixed in the newgame-menus branch
22:26:52 <gammafunk> I think two devs who are newer with names beginning with 'a' might make things confusing
22:27:13 <gammafunk> and advil's name on github is completely different
22:27:38 <aidanh> well, there's no way around it; one of us will have to change names
22:39:06 <aidanh> I got it; i'll change my nick to tylenol
22:46:12 <ebering> but what happens when aleve joins the devteam too
22:55:49 <gammafunk> we give the players so many headaches that the least we can do is also give them pain relief
23:12:27 <advil> heh I used to use tylenol as a nick sometimes too
23:13:00 <advil> I guess we do have a tradition of devs with multiple themed names
23:13:47 <gammafunk> regret-index was absolutely notorious
23:14:42 <gammafunk> I had to do some real careful searching to figure out just which commits were by rob
23:14:45 <gammafunk> !nick rob
23:14:46 <Sequell> Mapping rob => by rob
23:14:56 <gammafunk> because git log did not match "by" nor "rob" very well
23:15:09 <gammafunk> there are multiple roberts and by matches nearly everything
23:15:33 <gammafunk> at one point I thought rob was Crypt1c and mikee corrected me