00:00:11 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-866-geee5034 (34)
00:04:42 <ebering> I waited a while... it's still complaining.
00:08:22 <gammafunk> time to !flip something
00:12:56 <aidanh> advil: 16ba858 is fine; _invalidate_sizereq would be slightly better than _queue_allocation, since it won't do anything if the menu's size hasn't changed, but it's not a critical detail
01:27:16 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-866-geee5034 (34)
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-867-g78736fa: Fix popup tiles not showing in tile_display_mode=tiles (Ge0ff) 10(76 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78736fa2c884
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-868-g6f80fdb: Set webtiles popup backgrounds to fg7 (Ge0ff) 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f80fdb51ebd
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-869-g4d0222c: Don't indent menu title if tile_display_mode != tiles 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d0222ce3e66
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-870-gd4c7e9b: Fix FS_EASY_EXIT preventing scrolling (ebering) 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4c7e9b47c24
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-871-g51b3339: Fix webtiles input dialog expanding on chrome 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/51b3339b59b9
02:34:12 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-872-g6a232dd: Fix help UI's custom home-key on webtiles 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a232ddc29dd
02:58:07 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-872-g6a232dd
03:10:15 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-872-g6a232ddc29 (34)
03:12:05 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-872-g6a232dd (34)
03:25:24 <minmay> I would like to make a message suggestion: don't print "You shoot an arrow." or "You shoot a bolt." when you shoot an arrow or bolt. I know that I shot an arrow and I'm pretty sure so does everyone else
03:25:41 <minmay> the game doesn't print "You cast Magic Dart." every time you cast magic dart, and to my knowledge, that doesn't confuse anyone
03:26:34 <minmay> people can of course mute these messages in their rcfiles, but if the messages aren't useful for anyone, they shouldn't be there in the first place
03:27:22 <Pinkbeast> useful for anyone> speaking as someone who constantly forgets what weapon he has wielded, I believe they are in fact useful for someone. Sorry about that.
03:29:56 <minmay> Pinkbeast: keep in mind that if you are firing the ammo towards a monster you will still get "The arrow hits/misses the rat."
03:30:15 <minmay> so there's still a message telling you it's an arrow, unless you shot an arrow at nothing
03:31:11 <Pinkbeast> Fair point, I withdraw the objection.
05:53:42 <aidanh> !tell advil re pgup/pgdn being broken, I think you meant the startup menu, not the newgame menu? or are they broken for both menus
05:53:43 <Sequell> aidanh: OK, I'll let advil know.
06:04:26 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-873-g5fbd671: Update popup UI skin 10(4 days ago, 20 files, 85+ 95-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5fbd67152cc9
06:04:26 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-874-g9cf2c4c: Update webtiles UI scrollbar skin and positioning 10(3 hours ago, 3 files, 54+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cf2c4cdec58
07:08:17 <aidanh> !tell alexjurkiewicz your local changes to static/style.css is breaking my new changes on CPO :-(
07:08:18 <Sequell> aidanh: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
07:10:12 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-874-g9cf2c4cdec (34)
07:10:32 <aidanh> !tell alexjurkiewicz I'm looking at https://crawl.project357.org/static/style.css; you should be able to delete everything from lines 278--386, since that's now in game_data/static/style.css
07:10:32 <Sequell> aidanh: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
07:11:11 <aidanh> !tell alexjurkiewicz basically, any CSS rule that starts with #ui- or .ui- should be deleted
07:11:12 <Sequell> aidanh: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
07:13:23 <aidanh> !tell alexjurkiewicz oh, and https://crawl.project357.org/play/dcss-web-trunk is busted if you're not logged in
07:13:23 <Sequell> aidanh: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
07:52:53 <aidanh> Ge0ff: fixed the bugs you mentioned; thanks again!
07:55:40 <Ge0ff> aidanh: Cool, new ui is awesome!
08:06:30 <aidanh> good to hear; if you find any other bugs don't hesitate to let me know
08:13:16 <Ge0ff> aidanh: There is a small glitch that happens only in Firefox (Chrome is OK). If a description has only 1-2 lines of text, a horizontal scroll bar appears.
08:13:24 <Ge0ff> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471426740447870980/472737665951858698/status_desc.png
08:17:47 <aidanh> Ge0ff: hm, I can't reproduce that
08:18:04 <aidanh> have you changed your zoom settings? which server are you playing on?
08:18:53 <Ge0ff> I'm testing locally
08:19:15 <Ge0ff> (Firefox 59)
08:20:18 <aidanh> perhaps there's something in your rc file or a user stylesheet that would cause that?
08:28:34 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-875-gebc8d61: Remove colours from webtiles monster spell lists 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebc8d6144c28
08:32:20 <Ge0ff> aidanh: I just tested that on cjr (0.22-a0-874) with the default .rc file and got a scrollbar again: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471426740447870980/472742890477584394/bows.png
08:32:33 <Ge0ff> I don't have a custom style sheet and the zoom level is 100%.
08:32:56 <Ge0ff> but if I resize the window, that scrollbar goes away
08:36:14 <aidanh> %git
08:36:14 <Cheibriados> 07Aidan Holm02 * 0.22-a0-875-gebc8d61: Remove colours from webtiles monster spell lists 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebc8d6144c28
08:38:20 <aidanh> might be due to the firefox version; I'm on 61
08:38:36 <aidanh> I'll install 59 and try
08:59:18 <Ge0ff> aidanh: Got the same scrollbar with Firefox 61.0.1. I'm on Ubuntu if that matters.
09:00:30 <Cheibriados> Dagger of venom wielded by a monster not identified on sight 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11568 by Leszczynek
09:00:33 <aidanh> how odd; I'm on arch linux, but I don't think the two are different enough that it'd be the cause
09:03:22 <Ge0ff> Can it be because of the screen/window size? Mine's 1366x768
09:05:11 <aidanh> unlikely
09:09:41 <aidanh> what version of ubuntu? I'll try running from a vm sometime next week
09:10:17 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-875-gebc8d6144c (34)
09:13:32 <Ge0ff> aidanh: LUbuntu 16.04.5
09:13:57 <aidanh> thanks
09:29:25 <ebering> |amethyst: johnstein my cao game is still in the 'stuck' state like there's a stale process on the save. It's been that way since yesterday evening so something is up, it should have timed out.
09:29:34 <ebering> Your assistance is much appreciated
10:12:02 <gammafunk> my plan has worked, now ebering can never play crawl again
10:13:34 <aidanh> advil: wrt your opengl error logging, using glDebugMessageCallback would be a big improvement
10:40:55 <Cheibriados> in \Crawl\docs\keybind.txt, no reference to TAB or Shift-TAB 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11569 by RoGGa
11:13:32 <advil> hmm haven't used that but it largely sounds more complicated, rather than obviously better ;-)
11:13:33 <Sequell> advil: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:13:37 <advil> !messages
11:13:38 <Sequell> (1/1) aidanh said (5h 19m 56s ago): re pgup/pgdn being broken, I think you meant the startup menu, not the newgame menu? or are they broken for both menus
11:13:48 <advil> yes, the save browser specifically
11:14:46 <aidanh> well, compare "OpenGL error GL_INVALID_VALUE" to "ERROR of HIGH severity, raised from API: GL_INVALID_VALUE in glPixelStore(param)"
11:15:30 <aidanh> much more useful info from glDebugMessageCallback, and the killer feature is that it's synchronous, so you can set breakpoints on it
11:16:16 <advil> I'm not actually sure what you'd do with the extra information in that example :)
11:16:22 <advil> maybe someone else knows
11:16:45 <advil> in any case the biggest point of the changes I made was so that *users* could see there were opengl errors
11:17:17 <advil> I have no objection to using fancier debug calls though
11:17:55 <advil> just not likely to mess with that again myself any time soon
11:18:32 <advil> re _invalidate_sizereq(), that was the first thing I tried and it actually doesn't work. I think what's happening is that with stretch mode on, because the size doesn't change, that call recalculates the size as the same, and therefore a layout isn't triggered
11:18:45 <advil> I think _invalidate_sizereq() was already even being called in that case
11:19:17 <aidanh> ah, well in that case _queue_allocation() is the right one to call
11:20:19 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-876-g997158a: Indent nested popups on local tiles 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/997158aaab7c
11:20:19 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-877-g5c4e1af: Disable PgUp/PgDn on startup menu 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c4e1afb5190
11:21:45 <advil> when deleteAll happens on a non-fixed-size menu, _invalidate_sizereq calculates a change and then a layout does happen
11:22:35 <advil> adding items also forces a layout somehow or other
11:23:10 <aidanh> adding items forces a layout immediately? or at the next redraw?
11:24:42 <advil> at the next redraw I think
11:25:48 <advil> well, I didn't really check that
11:25:58 <aidanh> well, that's to be expected; iirc, the menu get_preferred_size() does a layout to calculate how much size it'll need
11:57:30 <Cheibriados> Teleport closets in the Cigotuvi's Fleshworks wizlab 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11570 by NormalPerson7
12:10:23 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-877-g5c4e1afb51 (34)
13:13:58 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-877-g5c4e1af (34)
13:54:20 <aidanh> advil: new memorise ui looks very snazzy, nicely done
14:42:14 <ebering> Lasty: hi!
14:43:40 <ebering> Lasty: I was wondering if I could get your opinion about two things. First one is in pr 828, which has a Morg revision that gives Morg Harm. gammafunk wasn't to thrilled by the idea.
14:44:45 <ebering> Lasty: second is what you might think of this patch set https://github.com/ebering/crawl/tree/known-traps since I know you've worked on trap issues before
14:44:53 <ebering> thanks!
15:45:13 <Rast2-> https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/92eo78/jessica_in_d15_why_does_this_happen/  https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des#L1911
15:45:13 <Rast2-> DEPTH: D:3-, Elf
15:45:29 <Rast2-> So, suggestion: either cut the max depth
15:45:48 <Rast2-> or give it nastier monsters like ogre mages with deeper depths
16:01:23 <geekosaur> I keep thinking that if someone like jessica or sigmund spawns in deep d there should be a small chance of their getting nuked by a nasty aiming at you.
16:01:57 <geekosaur> not that we don't already see that one with orc wizards
16:29:59 -!- yesno__ is now known as yesno
17:41:41 <Henzell> ebering (L19 DrFE) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Vaults:2)
18:06:49 <Lasty> ebering: still around? Sorry I missed you earlier.
18:09:03 <Lasty> ebering: I'm interested in the changes you're suggesting for Morg, but missed the discussion. Will try to review.
18:14:31 <Lasty> ebering: I don't see morg/harm discussion in the logs. Was it somewhere else?
18:17:08 <Lasty> ebering: the trap branch looks good to me tho!
18:17:21 <hellmonk> oh boy is morg gonna get buffed
18:19:42 <Lasty> hellmonk: ebering's idea is to remove most properties, give it 1.5x pain and also Harm/*Drain
18:19:42 <hellmonk> oh i see why you like it now
18:19:43 <Lasty> you tell me if that's a buff
18:20:49 <hellmonk> will multiple harm sources stack
18:21:26 <Lasty> Right now they don't, which is technically possible if a monster if wearing harm and so are you
18:21:37 <Lasty> (assuming that hasn't changed while I've been hibernating)
18:21:38 <hellmonk> it sounds like the kind of thing I would probably not use but I can see some people using it I guess
18:22:02 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-877-g5c4e1afb51 (34)
18:22:15 <ebering> Lasty: I am still around. gammafunk discussed it with mikee in the rl discord, one sec I'll paste the log
18:29:22 <ebering> Lasty:
18:29:31 <ebering> https://pastebin.com/jpuD1Lkj
18:29:32 <ebering> oops
18:32:03 <Lasty> It seems like the contentious part is "would anyone use this" and I think it would be a rare choice, yeah.
18:32:37 <Lasty> I mean, harm is best when you can make it asymmetrical -- which usually means ranged combat, not melee.
18:36:53 <ebering> Yeah. I guess my assessment of "would anyone use this" is more optimistic but could be wrong.
18:39:53 <Lasty> that said, I don't think Morg is that interesting right now, so I'm not sure it's any worse
18:44:04 <geekosaur> ^
18:44:19 <geekosaur> pretty much the thought I had on reding that "does anyone use it now?"
18:44:40 <ebering> sure, I was hoping to do a bit better than "not worse" though
18:44:49 <ebering> probably won't be able to get that by feature freeze though
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-876-g663e280: Allow SH specification for unrands. 10(30 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/663e280f7bd9
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-877-ge724d13: Allow tweaking more artps in wizmode 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e724d13c2732
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-878-g4b6a270: fixup this into something 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b6a270568be
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-879-gfb61fb7: Revise Morg (mikee) 10(28 hours ago, 4 files, 16+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb61fb7e1bc4
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-880-g501b33e: Revise the Spriggan's Knife (mikee) 10(26 hours ago, 3 files, 12+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/501b33eb4593
18:46:17 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-881-g824e849: Revise the Singing Sword 10(22 hours ago, 2 files, 32+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/824e8490919e
18:47:32 <ebering> that needed a force push, there was a piece of the make Harm a full-fledged ARTP left behind that broke the build
18:48:43 <Lasty> haha, doh
18:58:19 <ebering> didn't squash the fixup >:(
19:02:16 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-877-g5b87a2d: Allow tweaking more artps in wizmode 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b87a2dbc357
19:02:16 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-878-g63db58c: Revise Morg (mikee) 10(28 hours ago, 4 files, 16+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63db58ca9559
19:02:16 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-879-g8475337: Revise the Spriggan's Knife (mikee) 10(27 hours ago, 3 files, 12+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8475337e777e
19:02:16 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/828 * 0.22-a0-880-geb6620d: Revise the Singing Sword 10(23 hours ago, 2 files, 32+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb6620dc7394
20:40:05 <gammafunk> Yeah I think the unrand changes would be good to look at for 0.23 rather than trying to rush them into 0.22
20:47:12 <ebering> well I got two landed for 0.22
20:47:24 <ebering> very happy with the new moV
20:47:48 <ebering> sad that that reddit player didn't switch to maces to use it but oh well
20:49:14 <Lasty> what's new MoV do?
20:49:48 <gammafunk> ??mace of variability
20:49:48 <Sequell> mace of variability[1/1]: A great mace with the chaos brand. While wielded, its plus has a 40% chance per turn to shift either +1 or -1. If this would make the plus go under -4 or over +16, it's ignored (causing it to often linger near the extremes). Changed in 0.22 to be permanently +7 but have a 1/5 chance to create arcs of chaos beams that don't affect the wielder.
20:50:13 <Lasty> ah, interesting
20:55:26 <ebering> ??vampire's tooth
20:55:26 <Sequell> vampire's tooth[1/2]: An unrandart +12 vampiric quickblade (prior to 0.22, a +4 vampiric dagger). More {vampiric} than any other weapon, it heals you for the full damage (healing still triggers on 3/5 hits like a regular vampiric weapon).
20:55:33 <ebering> is the other one that's changed recently
20:56:28 <Lasty> The change being +4 dagger -> +12 quickblade? I mean, now it's a stronger weapon, but is it more interesting?
20:56:48 <amalloy> the old version was uninteresting because it was never correct to wield it
20:56:49 <Lasty> I guess that's better than a "never use" weapon
20:56:56 <Lasty> yeah
20:57:35 <ebering> if you're a shortblader you've got to decide if you're willing to give up brand damage for healing
20:57:50 <ebering> it hurts less than a +4 elec qb, for example
20:59:28 <gammafunk> Lasty: Yeah I think the problem definitely does go back to the unrand idea itself
21:00:16 <gammafunk> the original idea of just a always-full-heal vamp isn't really any more interesting than what Leech does
21:00:23 <Lasty> gammafunk: I don't think the problem is unrands per se. We have some good ones. I think the problem is trying to rehabilitate the glut of existing bad ones.
21:00:39 <gammafunk> Lasty: no, that's not what I meant; I meant that specific gimmick wasn't an interesting one
21:00:46 <Lasty> oh, gotcha
21:00:48 <Lasty> agreed
21:00:58 <gammafunk> not that unrand the concept is bad, although my wording kind of suggested that
21:01:38 <gammafunk> but yeah, we just went with the approach of making it a desireable weapon, which is probably ok enough
21:01:54 <Lasty> :shrug: it's not actively bad anyway
21:01:55 <gammafunk> maybe we can do a great unrand consolidation some time and remove a few that just don't seem like they're adding much
21:02:16 <Lasty> yeah, I don't hate the idea of removing every unrand that isn't actively interesting, but that's for another day
21:02:18 <gammafunk> yeah I do think any unrand that exists should actually be something you'd want to use more often than not
21:02:31 <Lasty> or at least be tempted to use :D
21:11:43 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: thanks
21:11:43 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
21:13:20 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: I've delete the code, what was broken so I can test?
21:21:18 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: well, things look fine now anyway
21:47:57 <gammafunk> lol
21:48:04 <gammafunk> ebering: looks like you have a ttyrec to look up
21:48:25 <gammafunk> so that you can watch the most epic ebering creations of all time at work
21:49:01 <gammafunk> ebering: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/92kqxn/new_mace_of_variability_doing_work/e371snv
21:49:49 <gammafunk> hmm, it's possible that the dancing weapon wasn't the mace itself...but hopefully it was
21:52:28 <gammafunk> ah yeah, I didn't read it carefully, he definitely fought the mace
21:52:28 <gammafunk> and as a CK
21:53:22 <ebering> He definitely fought it and then took it
21:54:14 <gammafunk> now I need to do some cleanup things before we can freeze
21:54:21 <gammafunk> I might end up delaying it until monday
21:54:27 <greensnark> gammafunk: fixed the cpo FooTV ttyrec for reals this time
21:54:36 <gammafunk> greensnark: oh, thanks so much
21:54:38 <ebering> !lg melvinkitnick -tv:<T37800 -tv:T>38000
21:54:38 <Sequell> Bad seek argument for seek-back: t>38000 (T<turncount> or number expected)
21:54:49 <ebering> !lg melvinkitnick -tv:<T37800 -tv:T>T38000
21:54:50 <Sequell> Bad seek argument for seek-back: t>t38000 (T<turncount> or number expected)
21:54:53 <ebering> !lg melvinkitnick -tv:<T37800 -tv:>T38000
21:54:54 <Sequell> 424. melvinkitnick, XL27 MiCK, T:71859 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:54:58 <gammafunk> not multiple args
21:55:11 <gammafunk> one arg
21:55:14 <gammafunk> colon separated
21:55:16 <ebering> !lg melvinkitnick -tv:<T37800:>T38000
21:55:17 <Sequell> 424. melvinkitnick, XL27 MiCK, T:71859 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:55:32 <gammafunk> fake news
21:55:38 <greensnark> Uh did that break :P
21:55:45 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe it did
21:55:49 <gammafunk> !lg thormy end>=2018-07-05 end<2018-07-06 -tv
21:55:50 <Sequell> 15. Thormy, XL7 MiMo, T:4021 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:56:01 <ebering> that might just be too fresh
21:56:02 <gammafunk> well this is working at least
21:56:10 <gammafunk> !lg * cxc -ttyrec
21:56:13 <Sequell> 545593. Ymberto, XL4 NaTm, T:2011: https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/ttyrec/Ymberto/2018-07-29.01:50:51.ttyrec
21:56:16 <greensnark> !lg melvinkitnick -tv
21:56:17 <Sequell> 424. melvinkitnick, XL27 MiCK, T:71859 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:56:20 <gammafunk> url downloads ok
21:56:52 <gammafunk> !lg thormy end>=2018-07-05 end<2018-07-06 -tv:cancel
21:56:53 <Sequell> 15. Thormy, XL7 MiMo, T:4021 cancel requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:57:07 <greensnark> Mrr
21:57:09 <gammafunk> !lg * cxc -tv
21:57:10 <Sequell> 545593. Ymberto, XL4 NaTm, T:2011 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:57:16 <gammafunk> !lg * cbro -tv
21:57:17 <greensnark> Yeah I think that broke :P
21:57:18 <Sequell> 1136307. popps, XL3 DsGl, T:1295 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:57:46 <gammafunk> well cbro seems to work still
21:58:02 <gammafunk> something about https?
21:58:08 <gammafunk> !lg * cue -tv
21:58:10 <Sequell> 623550. Fandomethor, XL10 GrFi, T:6577 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:58:18 <gammafunk> cue also failing
21:58:27 <gammafunk> !lg * cao -tv
21:58:29 <Sequell> 2882035. PrismShank, XL11 CeHu, T:19991 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:58:44 <greensnark> Oh this is probably on account of switching to curl and curl not auto-following http → https
22:00:00 <greensnark> !lg * cxc -tv
22:00:01 <Sequell> 545593. Ymberto, XL4 NaTm, T:2011 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
22:00:45 <gammafunk> \o/
22:01:04 <gammafunk> thanks again greensnark
22:01:06 <ebering> !lg melvinkitnick -tv:<T37800:>T38000
22:01:07 <Sequell> 424. melvinkitnick, XL27 MiCK, T:71859 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
22:01:09 <ebering> true hero
22:02:06 <greensnark> No worries, it's been a while since I've looked at this code. It hasn't aged gracefully :P
22:05:45 <|amethyst> I had great fun with mace of variability yesterday
22:09:14 <ebering> wow, gift from Trog
22:10:02 <|amethyst> not just a gift from Trog
22:10:06 <|amethyst> my *first* gift from Trog
22:10:19 <gammafunk> you were obligated
22:11:41 <gammafunk> in all likelihood if I got it, I wouldn't use it
22:11:44 <gammafunk> bad for streak
22:12:09 <ebering> chicken
22:12:14 <ebering> it's strong
22:12:17 <ebering> it won't kill you
22:12:36 <gammafunk> ebering I'm interested in winning my games
22:12:38 <gammafunk> not losing them
22:12:43 <gammafunk> you must be the other guy
22:14:05 <gammafunk> but if I weren't playing on a streak and just didn't care about a win, it'd be fun
22:18:07 <ebering> I guess it killed |amethyst
22:18:19 <ebering> also |amethyst your hugeterm makes enjoying that tv much harder :<
22:19:03 <|amethyst> did it?
22:19:12 <|amethyst> I died because I got stupid around a bunch of turtles
22:19:18 <gammafunk> everything kills |amethyst, please don't make evaluation based on whether he dies!
22:19:23 <|amethyst> exactly
22:19:27 <ebering> it berserked one of the turtles though!
22:19:35 <|amethyst> ah
22:19:43 <ebering> I can't quite tell from the tv if thats the one that landed the killing blow
22:19:45 <|amethyst> that probably wasn't the one that killed me
22:19:49 <ebering> but it definitely got some zerk shots in
22:19:54 <ebering> it was right next to you!
22:20:15 <|amethyst> I was surrounded by stuff
22:20:21 <|amethyst> because I'm a terrible player
22:20:38 <gammafunk> it's just how neil rolls
22:21:06 <gammafunk> if he wins too much we have to nerf, that's in the crawl philosophy
22:22:45 <|amethyst> oh, least favourite part of chain chaos:
22:22:48 <|amethyst> turning plants invisible
22:22:59 <ebering> hahahahaha
22:23:38 <gammafunk> that's a weird aspect of chain spells in general
22:23:45 <gammafunk> we might want to just make them ignore firewood
22:23:57 <gammafunk> it's kind of silly that you have to move away from plants in lair to cast static discharge
22:24:31 <gammafunk> you could argue that it's introducing interesting positioning but I don't think that'd be a very good argument
22:25:06 <gammafunk> people also complain how a single plant can basically nerf casts of chain lightning
22:25:31 <ebering> chain chaos has a polymorph chance though. can you still poly plants into thorn hunters?
22:25:43 <gammafunk> for the ranged chain spells I guess it's even worse since you can't even have one nearby, for static discharge it's only about adjacent at least
22:25:45 <ebering> (not that that's a good behavior, just a funny one)
22:25:53 <gammafunk> yeah that probably would happent
22:30:35 <gammafunk> looks like not, since the plant appears to resist it
22:30:48 <gammafunk> so it's running into the magic immunity
22:30:50 <|amethyst> well
22:31:02 <|amethyst> chaos *poly* effect can't affect plants
22:31:04 <|amethyst> but
22:31:10 <gammafunk> oh it even says unaffected
22:31:12 <|amethyst> chaos tmut miscast effect can
22:31:25 <gammafunk> ah, yeah that doesn't happen from the arcs
22:31:32 <gammafunk> but that could happen from melee
22:31:35 <gammafunk> you'd have to get very lucky
22:31:42 <|amethyst> there was a reddit post
22:32:00 <gammafunk> or unlucky I suppose
22:32:05 <|amethyst> it's not magic immunity that protects them, btw
22:32:10 <|amethyst> it's being firewood
22:32:21 <gammafunk> yeah, I was judging from using the wand
22:32:25 <gammafunk> where it reports their immunity
22:32:33 <|amethyst> https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/8pwhy9/
22:32:38 <gammafunk> but when I tested with the mace having it always arc and have high weight for poly beam
22:32:49 <gammafunk> it says "unaffected" so tht's probably the firewood check you mentioned
22:33:06 <|amethyst> I think that's the reddit post ebering was referring to
23:36:21 <alexjurkiewicz> fr Chaos Mushrooms in Zot. If they take damage, they cast chain of chaos
23:37:37 <ebering> that would be bad
23:40:16 <gammafunk> I like the way alex thinks
23:40:55 <gammafunk> demonic plant reform: if they take damage, they summon demons
23:41:11 <Lasty> also all walls are plants
23:41:14 <alexjurkiewicz> thank you gammafunk
23:41:34 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe hornets can live in lair plants
23:41:56 <alexjurkiewicz> and if you have too much royal jelly in your inventory they will emerge to attack you for it!
23:42:13 <gammafunk> if you hit too many lair plants, a shambling mangrove appears
23:42:26 <ebering> and if you kill too many mangroves the lorax appears
23:42:29 <gammafunk> analogous to the chicken from A Link to the Past
23:43:07 <ebering> who is a Fedhas zelot w/ a Recite like effect
23:44:55 <gammafunk> singing plants and a long and proud tradition
23:45:04 <gammafunk> in disney movies and such