00:02:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-825-ga28c36f (34) 00:03:26 !tell advli oh, I'm not sure how relevant it is but I'm casting bvc using zc 00:03:27 Sorry CanOfWorms, I don't know who advli is. 00:03:41 !tell advil oh, might be relevant but I'm using zc to cast bvc 00:03:41 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let advil know. 00:10:05 we should all leave advil messages so he can return to 27 messages 00:12:57 !seen eronarn 00:12:57 I last saw Eronarn at Fri Jan 1 23:59:35 2016 UTC (about 2y 29w 3d 4h 13m 21s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 240 seconds'. 00:16:51 what is this bvc scroll bug, CanOfWorms? 00:17:01 it's the tab scroll bug 00:17:15 when you're using tab with a launcher, the game may instead attempt to read a scroll 00:17:36 after further testing I think it's an interaction between tab and -- more -- 00:17:57 it seems to happen much more frequently during -- more -- messages 00:18:22 I also seem to have it occur more often if tab chooses to fire in the down left direction (b key) 00:19:16 what letter is assigned to the scroll that it read? 00:19:33 in my current test scrolls aren't being read 00:19:39 the game just brings up the read items menu 00:20:01 the actual effect does depend on which slot scrolls are in though 00:20:01 my immediate reaction, hearing this for the first time, is that tab is ^I and it might accidentally wind up just reading the i key instead 00:20:25 in some games it'll read a scroll of teleportation, some games it brings up the menu and immediately exits, in some games it brings up the menu and stops there 00:20:48 wild 00:20:57 I am getting the menu, then stop effect with scrolls bound to direction keys, though 00:20:58 this is tiles, i imagine? hell if i know how to reproduce it 00:21:11 yeah, tiles 00:21:51 so far the easiest way I've found to reproduce it is spawn a large number of monsters, let yourself get surrounded and then cast bvc to generate a lot of messages 00:21:58 then hope tab picks the right direction 00:22:14 might be easier to make the game force_more everything? 00:23:36 yeah this is starting to happen consistently whenever the game is trying to fire in the "b" direction right after a -- more -- 00:23:48 my scrolls are bound to bghkln 00:30:46 ok it's specifically reading scroll f 00:31:49 oh nice, this time it actually executed the blink 00:34:55 yeah this seems to be a reasonably consistent way to trigger and see the effects 00:35:00 put a scroll in slot f 00:35:11 enter a situation which generates -- more -- messages 00:35:16 press tab a lot with a launcher 00:36:18 if you put an acquirement scroll in slot f it'll prevent the game from exiting the acquirement menu and make it more obvious that it read something 00:42:30 for the record, it'll also read scrolls in slots rhjklyubn 00:42:48 and it reads scrolls so often in the first place because ranged autofight starts by pressing r to center the cursor on your character 00:42:57 f seems to be the only slot I can make this happen with my setup 00:43:21 yeah f is the easiest slot to get it to read for fairly obvious reasons 00:50:24 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 01:57:26 advil: just so you know, your secret crawl-asdf project may have ruined git log -S forever! 01:57:45 I was really confused how a git log -S was matching one of your commits 01:57:54 I realized it was matching inside of the crawl-asdf binary 02:13:39 gammafunk: I don't even remember what the loot was... 02:13:59 elliptic: haste and mutation potions; you quaffed mutation to get rid of bad muts 02:14:14 but I guess it wasn't that exciting of loot 02:14:37 oh, iirc I was actually quaffing it to try to get good muts, didn't care about my existing ones 02:14:45 ah, yeah 02:17:40 also I see there was some discussion of the autofight scroll bug above, I remember I tried multiple times to figure it out without success 02:18:16 partly because I wasn't very good at reproducing it even with the rf setup 02:31:20 03ebering02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.22-a0-826-g9b9925d: Constify attack::using_weapon() 10(2 days ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9b9925d0b1ad 02:31:20 03ebering02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.22-a0-827-gb41cb9a: Buff Vampire's tooth (gammafunk) 10(31 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b41cb9a525b3 02:31:20 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-828-gdfd0697: Update the Vampire's Tooth description 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfd069759076 02:31:20 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-829-g1e17ac6: Remove an unused method 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e17ac624704 02:31:20 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-830-gf552829: Fix quick blade weapon definitions in ghost vault lua 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f552829d8741 03:10:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-830-gf552829d87 (34) 03:13:54 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-830-gf552829 (34) 03:40:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:15:08 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-831-g6c6de77: Remove rC- and rF- from Maxwell's Thermic Engine 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c6de77f21f2 05:10:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-831-g6c6de77f21 (34) 06:19:36 -!- dengaleugle is now known as f1nalpr1me 08:24:07 Changes still needed in docs based on changelog.txt 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11562 by RoGGa 09:20:18 wonder how you'd get https://i.imgur.com/VscxHit.png 09:20:18 advil: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:27:05 !tell CanOfWorms maybe you could create a save with a char in a high likelihood situation? Also, is this specific to any particular build? 09:27:05 advil: OK, I'll let canofworms know. 09:35:46 lol probably I should have a scroll in my inventory to actually test this 09:36:31 yeah I think there must be more conditions 10:28:00 !message 10:28:00 You probably meant !messages, or possibly !tell. 10:28:04 !messages 10:28:05 No messages for jeremie. 11:13:02 Can someone please help with building crawl? Ends with an error for me: https://i.imgur.com/AtAocO7.png 11:17:34 that's a new one 11:21:04 I do plan on working on the MSYS2 build process soon, but otherwise I'm not sure what would be going wrong there 11:21:49 fwiw I don't see the character @ in levcomp.ypp at all 11:22:47 Same. 11:24:02 have you updated everything? 11:24:33 `pacman -Syu` or whatever 11:25:11 It's a sdk version of git for windows,pac 11:25:41 *it's the last version from their website. 11:25:51 it's really bison that I'm interested in 11:25:54 from some googling for that @ message it seems like it's specific to some versions of bison in mingw 11:26:19 under the normal build process you install that (I think) via pacman 11:26:56 I haven't used that before, where do I learn how to do that? 11:27:29 how did you install gcc and the dev tools? 11:28:04 https://github.com/git-for-windows/build-extra/releases 11:28:13 ah I see 11:28:43 Ran your pacman update command, it said everything is up to date. 11:28:54 are you operating in the git for windows shell? 11:29:20 Yeah. 11:29:26 so in general I have found that to be pretty flaky as an actual dev environment, though I'm hardly a windows expert 11:29:44 What can I use instead then? 11:30:04 for building crawl, I have only had success using MSYS2, which is separate (git for windows is based on mingw in some way) 11:30:14 (MSYS2 is also) 11:30:39 the instructions in https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt go over installing and using MSYS2 to build crawl 11:31:28 though I'll warn you I've had reports that the build process isn't fully working recently (in different ways than you are reporting), that's why I need to work on it 11:32:02 ...So I can't build it anyway even after installing MSYS2? 11:32:12 well, I know how to tell you to fix it 11:33:01 Haha. Well, tell me, please. Because I'm trying to throw together a fixedart and need to be able to actually test it. 11:33:44 what I mean is that the MSYS2 build might be broken in a specific way that if you hit, I'll know what to do 11:33:53 the MSYS2 build is the only one that is supported 11:34:00 so try it and I'll support it ;-) 11:34:11 Okaaaay. 11:34:37 it might just work 11:34:37 building in a git for windows shell is *definitely* not supported :) 11:37:43 Well, *something* is supported and can be expected to work, great news already. I'm installing it now. 11:39:19 ugh, well my computer just crashed when I tried to run virtualbox so I won't be checking that immedialy 11:40:46 *immediately 12:00:06 Xenobreeder: if you still have a git for windows shell open, can you type `bison --version` and let me know the result? 12:06:22 bison (GNU Bison) 3.0.5 12:27:28 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/808 * 0.22-a0-581-g623f2f8: Simplify Beogh conversion rules 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/623f2f817e58 12:30:57 !tell gammafunk I updated pr 808 to also simplify beogh conversion and remove the 'dont attack till youre sure' minigame from all gods that convert monsters 12:30:57 ebering: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 12:59:53 Anyone around 13:00:12 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.22-a0-832-g4a1e013: Improve MSYS2 installation instructions 10(9 seconds ago, 1 file, 32+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a1e0138fc4a 13:00:36 advil, it worked, thank you! 13:00:40 oh nice 13:01:01 Xenobreeder the bison version is different on regular MSYS2, but I'm still not really sure if that's the issue 13:01:10 Xenobreeder: did you build console or tiles? 13:01:14 Tiles. 13:01:28 I have some degeneracy to report 13:01:49 what's the degeneracy? 13:02:07 Hand axe of chaos, hit bush, farm miscasts for demons 13:02:20 Walk up to many bush = loads of miscasts, eventually get demon 13:02:24 D:1 smoke demon ally 13:02:32 Walk around, kill enemy with demon 13:02:44 That's quite ingenious. 13:02:52 I'm syraine, it's my job 13:02:59 Not being ingenious, just exploiting Xom stuff 13:04:17 is it completely safe? 13:04:34 Nah but since they're bushes, you know what I'm saying 13:04:45 Like you can be smite-targeted with 50 poison clouds but it's a bunch of bushes 13:04:50 Walk away 13:05:19 Well you're starting with Xom and going to be hit by Xom effects while doing this. 13:05:42 Xom doesn't work like that 13:05:45 He doesn't just rail you in the butt every 5 turns with an Ice Fiend, he's neutral-to-helpful mostly 13:08:05 lol "the bush evaporates and reforms as a thorn hunger" 13:08:13 Good 13:08:24 I'm uh not yet convinced this is very reliable :-P 13:08:36 You can just walk up to 8 bushes 13:08:39 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-832-g4a1e013 (34) 13:08:40 Slap them all for 100 turns 13:08:48 And you get small aboms, shadows or medium demons 13:08:58 If you get some bs like an oklob you walk away 13:09:09 not that I have 13:10:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-832-g4a1e0138fc (34) 13:10:18 aidanh are there still known bugs with ctrl-p on local tiles? It's not behaving very well 13:11:20 chaos brand (and clouds) can also be used to cure rot 13:11:50 advil: not that I know of; what's the issue? 13:12:24 two things: the most recent messages weren't showing at the buttom of the window, and the scroll direction is reversed 13:13:03 although I guess it's new that the mouse wheel even works 13:13:16 There's a good Ogre tech you can do which is charging yourself up with Xom trails of mutagenic fog and then exploding repeatedly 13:13:37 But that's not an abuse 13:14:45 scroll direction is reversed for everything on local tiles then? 13:15:11 yeah; it's just the mouse wheel scroll 13:15:23 most recent messages weren't showing, as in they weren't printed? or it wasn't fully scrolled to the bottom? 13:15:35 i've been using that secret rot curing tech for some 6 years, but now mummies don't rot so i don't need it anymore 13:15:57 it looked like the window was scrolled to the bottom but it's possible I'm wrong. They were printed in the regular messages window 13:15:58 I believe there's some message filtering going on that was there in the old version as well; it may have gotten bugged up though 13:16:17 and eventually got shown in ctrl-p 13:27:25 !source replay_messages() 13:27:26 Can't find replay_messages(). 13:27:30 !source replay_messages 13:27:31 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#L2038 13:27:52 !source channel_message_history 13:27:53 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#L1592 13:28:59 I can't see anything obviously wrong there 13:31:51 Any admins from CAO, CDO, or CBRO online? 13:34:31 jeremie: you'll probably need to contact them directly, they probably won't see a general request in this channel 13:34:50 thanks, just sent a message! 13:35:08 aidanh: what were those links again if you don’t mind , for me to read up about authoring content / contributing? This client I’m using now keeps history but the one I was using when last we spoke does not. 13:35:10 the CBRO admin, johnstein, was on vacation when you made your initial deletion request so if you tried to contact him before, try again now 13:35:29 ah, perfect 13:35:54 robotcentaur: I think that was someone else, but you can browse the channel logs at https://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ 13:36:57 it was me 13:37:25 Oh maybe it was Advil... online too when I you two were chatting and I was trying to replicate the bug. Thanks ! 13:37:26 Yes! 13:37:37 There were three links and I failed 13:37:41 they are all under https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop though I think I gave some specific links 13:37:50 Nice. 13:37:58 Thx? 13:38:08 I mean thx! 13:39:25 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:11:14 new popup skin possibility: https://ptpb.pw/OG-Q 14:11:44 oh as opposed to the double line? 14:11:55 How do I query a vault, sorry? I found one that had early Lair-quality enemies and the reward was multiple evokables and a book 14:12:15 aidanh: I do sort of like that a little better 14:12:32 that, as in this? 14:12:40 yeah, one you just posted 14:14:28 yeah, same; not sure if using the same colour for popup borders and scrollbars will be confusing though 14:16:14 -!- asdfasdf is now known as asdfasdf1234 14:22:16 syraine: if you know its name you can look it up with !vault foo 14:22:34 if you don't, you have to look through .des files to find vaults that look like it 14:22:52 Yeah I don't, I just encountered it sadly, just seemed like pretty huge loot for a D:8 vault 14:23:19 Book of Alchemy, a CBoE, Lightning Rod, that's like 1.8k gold 14:23:31 For killing like... some yaks 14:33:32 there are no vaults that specifically place cboe or lightning rod that can place on D:8. my guess is it was random loot like "place something good here". it's harder to narrow down based on yaks, because those could be placed explicitly or just generic out-of-depth monsters 14:33:58 if you think the reward is much larger than the threat, you'd have to look through .des files to find one shaped correctly, or look at your morgue file post-game 14:34:21 Yeah, pretty much, I already set it aside for lack of feasibility, at least until I get killed 14:34:37 I'm pretty sure it just sets some 'misc' rewards but... yeah 14:35:39 -more- message in inventory\ID menus displays at end of list 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11563 by fakechuck 15:12:41 Graphical icon in item details while tile_display_mode=glyph 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11564 by rigrig 15:31:13 03advil02 07* 0.22-a0-833-g8522bf8: Update submodules to improve windows compilation 10(68 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8522bf81251d 15:40:46 maybe that will vanquish xinput errors for good? 16:03:08 New branch created: pull/826 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/826 16:03:08 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/826 * 0.22-a0-832-g5a8e69d: Prevent ordering allies while confused (11505) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a8e69d6c4ce 16:03:08 New branch created: pull/827 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/827 16:03:08 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/827 * 0.22-a0-832-g584fdeb: Change deep water to shallow in aerie_lemuel (11554) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/584fdeb73f9a 16:10:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-833-g8522bf8125 (34) 16:21:52 hm, i don't understand why that deep=>shallow change is required. isn't pool fixup supposed to prevent deep water making things unreachable? 16:23:48 pool fixup is cosmetic 16:23:58 it changes random deep water adjacent to land to shallow water 16:24:01 so that pools slope 16:24:24 but it doesn't make connectivity guarantees 16:40:16 Setting skill targets sometimes doesn't set them, causing me to get too good at stuff 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11565 by aubilenon 16:52:10 I think the intent of that vault was to have flight-requiring deep water 16:52:29 which is a thing we do allow in vaults 16:52:46 usually we try to have something like a hatch on the other side to prevent stranding 16:53:43 so that would be a better approach probably; just to rework it a bit so that there's maybe just one such area or only a couple with hatches 16:54:25 hm ok 16:54:27 and if that isn't done, it should probably just replace the water with floor instead of shallow water in most of those areas 16:55:03 or at least the single 2 areas where haven't a single tile of shallow water won't really mean anything 16:56:14 honestly I don't like this vault very much and could see just removing it 16:56:22 we have a bunch of spiral vaults that work fine 16:57:37 ebering: so I think I might just remove that vault in the end 16:59:05 I think it might work better as a plus vault 16:59:21 with the air elementals tornado provindg fly while wind drakes in the corners airstrike you 17:06:05 yeah, air elementals can kill wind drakes with their tornadoes, but it might help to combine them in a vault with more spacing 17:06:44 however the insubstantial wisps and ball lightnings I don't really like 17:06:44 ball lightnings do resist tornado, at least 17:07:26 at the very least it's not a very good monster set for depths; spriggan air mages would replace wind drakes there 17:07:35 @?wind drake 17:07:36 wind drake (00k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 51-73 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 12 | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 286 | Sp: wind blast [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], airstrike (0-26) [11!AM, 06!sil], deflect missiles [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 17:08:08 I think ball lightnings will probably end up harming more monsters without relec than players 17:09:54 a dungeon-only vault with air elementals and ball lightnings situated in the right way could be kind of cool 17:10:01 neither of those monsters can harm each other 17:16:38 Add Sojobo for maximum fun. 17:18:15 with the air elementals tornado provindg fly while wind drakes in the corners airstrike you 17:18:36 oops 17:19:10 yea but at that point its probably better to start from scratch 17:19:14 than to try to re-write this vault 17:22:37 that vault is a hell of a slog, is my recollection from games with it 18:21:30 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-833-g8522bf8125 (34) 18:23:44 -!- b is now known as Guest9579 19:24:20 -!- Euph0ria is now known as TabMasher 19:28:15 let wind drakes push ball lightning into the player 19:28:18 reverse sokobo level 21:07:35 !seen hellmonk 21:07:35 I last saw hellmonk at Mon Jul 23 05:20:21 2018 UTC (1d 19h 47m 14s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 252 seconds'. 21:17:22 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 21:30:49 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:47:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:21:18 !tell advil I've found a setup for the autofight scroll bug that replicates the bug reasonably often 23:21:19 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let advil know. 23:22:08 !tell advil the bug seems to be related to autofighting while --more-- prompts are occuring, bvc just happens to generate these when you cast it on mobs 23:22:08 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let advil know. 23:22:26 -!- hellmonk_ is now known as hellmonk 23:23:39 !tell advil this is the character I was playing that caused the bugs to happen more often than normal https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkni9iuiqimo99q/dsnenem.cs?dl=0 23:23:39 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let advil know. 23:28:33 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:52:04 advil: hrm, you don't think the new skin is too league-of-legends?