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00:53:19 <alexjurkiewicz> |amethyst: but where would I run the cgi ?_?
00:54:06 <alexjurkiewicz> it's a hard problem to solve "properly" imo, because ttyrec is just the biggest offender
00:54:25 <alexjurkiewicz> rc files also expect to be listable
00:54:44 <alexjurkiewicz> morgues don't, because the logfile allows you to reverse engineer their URL, at least
00:55:11 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe the logfile should let you reverse engineer a "ttyrec index file", which is a file containing URLs of all the game's ttyrec files
00:55:29 <alexjurkiewicz> then you could truly put the ttyrecs wherever you want
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-440-g284435c: Simplify XL7 draconian randomisation 10(2 months ago, 3 files, 21+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/284435c5f6e5
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-441-g3ca95fc: Generate species data from YAML files 10(3 months ago, 62 files, 2846+ 2679-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3ca95fc506f8
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-442-g0cc0622: Clean up random/viable character selection 10(5 weeks ago, 6 files, 77+ 84-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0cc062292dc0
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-443-g12dd8ba: Document species/jobs missing recommendations 10(5 weeks ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12dd8ba296a4
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-444-gb99c8cc: species: Make difficulty mandatory 10(5 weeks ago, 12 files, 13+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b99c8cca1777
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-445-g9737746: Use filter_enum instead of do-while loops. 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 42+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97377464e53b
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-446-gde05d4b: De-duplicate VIABLE/RANDOM newgame species/job logic 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 42+ 50-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de05d4bc08f0
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-447-g2ac5ace: various bug fixes to newgame species/job selection 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 29+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ac5ace32e86
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-448-g9fcb790: more fixes 10(3 weeks ago, 10 files, 31+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9fcb7902a913
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {gammafunk} 07[datafiles] * 0.22-a0-449-g6f5f87b: Change species generation to python 2.7 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f5f87bb584a
02:35:28 <Cheibriados> ... and 18 more commits
02:35:58 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: you'd run the cgi on cpo, served by your apache
02:36:10 <gammafunk> he's saying you make a cgi that talks to your S3 via the amazon api
02:36:16 <gammafunk> which runs from cpo
02:36:26 <gammafunk> it would just get the file list and spit out an apache-style dir listing
02:36:41 <gammafunk> probably someone has made some kind of version of this already though
02:37:03 <gammafunk> and I guess the cgi's urls would directly link to the S3?
02:37:12 <gammafunk> the urls it spits out in the dir listing, that is
02:37:44 <gammafunk> it's also possible that snark could host this himself on shalott.org
02:38:03 <gammafunk> but I'm not sure that this would make things any easier
02:38:15 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: that branch has your rewritten commits bw
02:38:16 <gammafunk> *btw
02:38:34 <gammafunk> I just force-pushed it after rebasing from your PR
03:11:46 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-439-gac93bac (34)
06:27:29 <alexjurkiewicz> thanks for correcting gammafunk
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08:24:11 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.22-a0-434-g20ad6ec: Correct Usk stomp description 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/20ad6ec90110
08:24:11 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 {GitHub} 07* 0.22-a0-441-gcf5b0c6: Merge pull request #769 from ebering/uskayaw-stomp-descript 10(9 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf5b0c64b731
09:09:52 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-441-gcf5b0c64b7 (34)
10:34:59 -!- eb is now known as eb_
10:46:05 <Cheibriados> Broken skill training screen 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11485 by NormalPerson7
12:05:59 <aidanh> so I couldn't help but notice that the background selection screen could be neatly arranged into three columns, instead of four
12:06:16 <aidanh> i.e. by stacking warrior-mage and zealot backgrounds
12:07:17 <aidanh> does anyone know of any reason why a 4-col layout is preferable? I'm currently sprucing up those menus and would like to switch to 3-col
12:07:58 <advil> would 3 cols look good at 80x24?
12:09:44 <aidanh> it'd be visually almost identical to the species selection screen
12:11:13 <aidanh> oh, another thing I was considering was tiles for species/background menu items
12:12:29 <aidanh> doll tiles could be used for species, but background tiles might present a bit of a challenge
12:15:59 <aidanh> currently I'm thinking of using altar tiles for zealots, weapons/items for warriors+artificer, and slightly modified spell tiles for the (warrior-)mages
12:16:29 <aidanh> but if anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them
12:26:53 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:44:45 <ebering> aidanh: once upon a time there were more zealots
12:49:04 <aidanh> that explains the current layout, yeah
12:50:11 <wheals> i assume zealots and warriormages would be combined into one column
12:52:11 <aidanh> yup
13:05:12 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-441-gcf5b0c6 (34)
14:28:01 -!- Jozrael_ is now known as Jozrael
16:44:13 <Currency> I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to get some good looking icons made for classes.  I'm not sure there's anything preexisting that would work that well.
18:20:29 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-441-gcf5b0c64b7 (34)
18:36:15 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: you could have tiles only for the headings on background
18:37:34 <alexjurkiewicz> but if you wanted one per background I think it would be easy to pick the unique "key item/spell" for each background
18:45:40 <Jozrael> Is it possible to wizmode online?
18:54:09 <Pinkbeast> Jozrael: Only if you're the server admin.
18:54:18 <Jozrael> Thx
19:23:02 <hellmonk> what the fuck is happening in this tavern thread btw: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25441
19:33:34 <gammafunk> what's wrong, hellmonk
19:33:46 <gammafunk> someone memed so hard you want the devs to shut them down?!
19:33:57 <hellmonk> no, i just don't understand
19:34:15 <gammafunk> I doubt we have the answers
19:34:24 <hellmonk> the truth is out there
19:34:38 * gammafunk queues spooky music
19:39:29 <gammafunk> amalloy: I got another weird "since 0.18..." comment on a vid today
19:39:37 <gammafunk> that guy is dedicated to his cause
19:39:46 <gammafunk> but this is a new account that has a channel behind it
20:06:19 -!- crescentfresh_ is now known as crescentfresh
20:29:42 <aidanh> alexjurkiewicz: well, I'd prefer one per background if only because all other menus currently have tiles for items but not for headings
20:30:47 <aidanh> not necessarily ideal, but I'd like to work toward consistency before shaking things up entirely
20:31:36 <aidanh> most candidate tiles are fairly straightforward with the exception of wz and wn; the latter might need a custom dice tile or something
20:32:35 <geekosaur> jester hat >.>
20:35:12 <aidanh> that sounds more like xom to me
20:36:29 <wheals> clearly PF's "it is a mystery" ghost tile
20:36:37 <hellmonk> ck tile should just be xom altar
20:37:09 <hellmonk> wz should be crimson imp unless you're already using that for su
20:46:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
20:49:58 <aidanh> su is using summon butterflies, so yeah, crimson imp will work
21:09:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:14:13 <alexjurkiewicz> aidanh: there's a '?' tile already for wanderer
21:14:36 <alexjurkiewicz> it's used for unknown tiles iirc
21:14:48 <alexjurkiewicz> Wz could be a spellbook
21:17:31 <aidanh> that tile doesn't look great, unfortunately
21:18:32 <aidanh> I did consider that, but it'll look inconsistent if only one of the right-hand backgrounds is a book
21:24:17 <alexjurkiewicz> how inconsistent are we talking? the other columns will be mismashes of all sorts of stuff right? random items for left column, altars for zealots
21:26:12 <aidanh> yeah, but there'll be consistency within categories
21:26:56 <gammafunk> *?frederick
21:26:59 <gammafunk> @?frederick
21:26:59 <Gretell> Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 138-179 | AC/EV: 10/7 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 5229 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), iron shot (3d36), spellforged servitor | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
21:28:18 <gammafunk> @?jory
21:28:19 <Gretell> Jory (04V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 149-213 | AC/EV: 19/12 | Dam: 40, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 3934 | Sp: vampiric draining (4-42), crystal spear (3d37), mesmerise, blink close | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
21:31:39 <alexjurkiewicz> Frederick is one of my favourite uniques
21:31:48 <alexjurkiewicz> very consistent damage output
21:32:35 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: I think we should probably remove shatter from jorgrun; the only ideas I had a replacement are something like lcs or possibly giving him something a bit wackier like BVC. Former isn't very original and latter is probably just too weird
21:33:13 <gammafunk> You mentioned a while back how we could just remove him, which certainly is the case
21:39:09 <alexjurkiewicz> what about LRD?
21:40:27 <geekosaur> has it already, stunted a bit because it was even deadlier than shatter originally
21:40:57 <geekosaur> but really, grunt added jorgrun specifically for a unique with shatter
21:41:16 <aidanh> what's the motivation for removing shatter?
21:41:35 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: I just mention this because it's fairly bad how jorgrun can just one-shot gargoyle players the turn they enter los
21:48:43 <gammafunk> and yeah grunt had as motivation giving all level 9 spells to at least one monster, but the problem with that is these spells do not all work as monster spells
21:50:56 <ebering> Should nemelex give piety for lava and deep water tiles (re hellmonk's whining on discord)? Encourages swimmers and fliers to wander the empty quarters of shoals/volcanos/encompass depths &c.
21:51:21 <gammafunk> that sounds like a genearl exploration piety issue, not a nemelex-specific one?
21:51:29 <gammafunk> *general
21:51:32 <ebering> yes
21:51:34 <gammafunk> so it would effect e.g. ely
21:51:43 <ebering> s/nemelex/exploration gods/
21:53:55 <ebering> it's harder to communicate clearly in the ^ screen though
21:54:00 <gammafunk> I suppose it would be nice if they didn't, but it's also something that would have to be communicated, yeah
22:02:20 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe shatter should just not do extra damage to player gargoyles
22:09:12 <gammafunk> shatter just shouldn't be a monster spell, pretty clearly
22:20:00 <wheals> gammafunk: give jorgrun SIngularity
22:20:15 <gammafunk> !singularity wheals
22:20:16 <Sequell> gammafunk mumbles some strange words. Space collapses on itself with a satisfying crunch. The singularity violently warps wheals!
22:44:00 <advil> some day I will take up PF's dream of resurrecting singularity
22:57:19 <gammafunk> in what sense? turning the translocation school into a big damage school was one of the main criticisms of that spell
22:59:34 <gammafunk> it might be ok as some kind of god ability
23:08:59 <alexjurkiewicz> i think shatter is fun as a monster spell
23:09:03 <hellmonk> new tloc god that gives you passive self-centered gell's gravitas, lesser beckoning, disjunction, and singularity as actives, then remove lesser beckoning and disjunction as spells
23:09:14 <hellmonk> you are welcome
23:09:15 <alexjurkiewicz> massive terrain deformation and noise is fun
23:09:28 <alexjurkiewicz> massive damage is also fun, except when it 0HKOs
23:12:10 <gammafunk> yeah the out of los stuff with singularity due to how you could target it were also a problem, but I didn't like how it tried to make tloc into another damage school
23:12:34 <gammafunk> which is not a thing we need more of in terms of making schools function in the same way
23:13:23 <gammafunk> the technical aspects of the effect itself might be addressable but having it as an L9 spell isn't good
23:14:00 <hellmonk> I just gave you the genius perfect god idea
23:14:02 <hellmonk> cmon
23:15:01 <gammafunk> you probably conveniently omitted "..and remove the tranlocations school" though
23:15:28 <hellmonk> nah, just those spells (all of which are either situational or bad already)
23:27:48 <minmay> does self-centered gell's gravitas make the monsters smash into you and damage you
23:31:27 <Pinkbeast> minmay: FWIW I added a parenthical note based on your observation in the extremely odd "Viability of Pures" thread, so thanks
23:53:21 <hellmonk> you would be immune ofc
23:56:53 <ProzacElf> so the monsters get damaged by bonking into you?
23:57:36 <hellmonk> hell yeah
23:58:03 <hellmonk> the god turns you into a super dense gravitational guy
23:59:29 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-441-gcf5b0c6 (34)