00:10:50 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929f4d (34)
00:10:50 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929 (34)
01:25:31 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929 (34)
01:59:15 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929
02:54:22 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929
03:13:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
03:15:43 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-307-g2b15929 (34)
03:48:32 <Realzy> Gammafunk: (or any others with vested interest) I kicked off a Sif Muna discussion page on the wiki - please feel free to do with it what you will =)
03:53:23 <aidanh> divine focus sounds very overpowered
03:53:54 <aidanh> if you've already killed everything, who cares about a timeout?
03:57:19 <Realzy> it very well may be, but it's not hard to imagine circumstances where the drawback would matter
04:01:01 <Realzy> my gut reaction evaluation may very well be off, perhaps you have a better handle on these things than i do
04:03:17 <Realzy> if it is overpowered, in this case would that make it just an outright bad idea? or is it a matter of turning knobs? (piety cost, mp cost, timeout duration, etc)
04:03:46 <Realzy> i'm not married to it at all, so if it's bad i'm very open to better options, i just wanted to open the topic
04:04:10 <aidanh> I wouldn't trust my initial impressions much either, but it looks like a very powerful panic button to me
04:04:28 <Realzy> yeah, i think that's true for sure, it would be
04:04:42 <aidanh> e.g. free instant cblink is enough to escape from pretty much anything if you're not in abyss or zot
04:04:51 <Realzy> sounds awesome =)
04:04:57 <aidanh> s/free/three
04:05:44 <aidanh> definitey! but shouldn't be spammable; my instinct is for a hefty piety cost for things like that
04:05:51 <Realzy> gods tend to let you do awesome things! if it's truly broken in concept and cant be saved, then so be it, but i think there's potential upside
04:06:04 <Realzy> yeah i agree
04:06:12 <Realzy> like you said, powerful panic button
04:06:27 <aidanh> I think it could be made to work, and sounds very fun
04:07:04 <Realzy> i see channel magic as the more general use, more fluidly usable ability... but adding a unique option that lets sif do something that you cant do on any other character... cool imo
04:07:25 <Realzy> yeah =)
06:33:26 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[harpoon] * 0.22-a0-310-ged61ac5: Clean up a swamp entry vault 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed61ac5e0722
06:33:26 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[harpoon] * 0.22-a0-311-g4123c97: Fix and update a Swamp worm vault 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4123c972cb86
06:33:26 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[harpoon] * 0.22-a0-312-g49d8271: Some vault formatting cleanups 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49d8271299ed
06:33:26 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[harpoon] * 0.22-a0-313-gd862a6e: Revamp a lemuel worm vault 10(78 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d862a6e091ee
06:33:37 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/730 * 0.22-a0-310-ged61ac5: Clean up a swamp entry vault 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed61ac5e0722
06:33:37 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/730 * 0.22-a0-311-g4123c97: Fix and update a Swamp worm vault 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4123c972cb86
06:33:37 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/730 * 0.22-a0-312-g49d8271: Some vault formatting cleanups 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49d8271299ed
06:33:37 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/730 * 0.22-a0-313-gd862a6e: Revamp a lemuel worm vault 10(78 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d862a6e091ee
06:45:31 -!- analpear is now known as analmellon
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-308-g7905ed6: Refactor methods related to actor knock-back 10(30 hours ago, 3 files, 12+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7905ed6092ee
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-309-gefa7288: Remove copy-and-pasted comments 10(30 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efa7288cd58e
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-310-gf80497b: Implement a Harpoon Shot monster spell and give it to iron giants 10(30 hours ago, 10 files, 115+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f80497bfa5ea
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-311-g83361d3: Give swamp worms Harpoon Shot and further adjustments 10(30 hours ago, 3 files, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/83361d32ab93
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-312-g77ec1f3: Clean up a swamp entry vault 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77ec1f300b5f
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-313-g300c91b: Fix and update a Swamp worm vault 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/300c91b96d69
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-314-ge799247: Some vault formatting cleanups 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e799247c0186
06:51:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.22-a0-315-ge0921bb: Revamp a lemuel worm vault 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 19+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0921bbc0a69
07:09:48 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-315-ge0921bbc0a (34)
07:15:17 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-315-ge0921bb (34)
07:33:44 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-315-ge0921bb (34)
07:34:41 <aidanh> I made a tavern post about help key unification if anyone has any comments etc: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25265
09:01:33 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-316-g285f75a: Refactor some code into get_tiles_for_item() 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 32+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/285f75aafb25
09:01:33 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-317-g276b176: Spruce up the stash search and shopping menus (NormalPerson7, #11376) 10(2 days ago, 5 files, 43+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/276b1762fbff
09:32:27 -!- analmellon is now known as quietedpear
09:37:29 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-318-g66d6621: Fix compilation error 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/66d6621272b6
09:44:41 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-319-g99f3766: Don't randomize ?/F tiles 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/99f37664c5ff
09:44:41 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-320-g5f88266: Merge WME_KEYPRESS into WME_KEYDOWN 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 5+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f88266b9de7
09:44:41 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-321-gf89cf90: Improve local tiles hover info for clouds 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 15+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f89cf90e93a9
09:44:41 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-322-g60b3cfd: Deduplicate card types in card description 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60b3cfd402b0
09:46:24 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 276b176 #9464 : Aidan Holm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/360866717
10:09:52 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-322-g60b3cfd402 (34)
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13:15:49 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-322-g60b3cfd (34)
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18:19:10 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-322-g60b3cfd402 (34)
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20:15:39 <minmay> !source item-prop.cc:272
20:15:40 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item-prop.cc#L272
20:15:57 <minmay> are these supposed to add up to 100? because they add up to 105
20:16:04 <minmay> all the other brand tables add up to 100
20:23:55 <|amethyst> the code does properly handle the sum being 105, but that doesn't answer whether it's *supposed* to be that way
20:30:34 <minmay> yeah
20:31:30 <minmay> there used to be a lot of tables like this with lots of different totals, but that's been changing because being able to read them as percentages is a lot more convenient
20:41:57 <hellmonk> "Why do we have all these ridiculous brand tables?"
20:42:01 <hellmonk> same tbh
20:45:31 <gammafunk> yeah they could be tweaked to add up to 100 certainly
21:31:45 <gammafunk> Lasty: I was thinking that it might be nice to just remove the Dith fire conduct, any thoughts on that?
21:32:16 <gammafunk> I don't think anyone finds that conduct terribly interesting as opposed to annoying
21:36:50 <Lasty> gammafunk: no opposition here
21:37:07 <Lasty> No one ever seems to know what it applies to, and it doesn't add much
21:38:15 <Lasty> the most interesting (non-terrible) things it ever does are 1) make LBl Dith chars think for a couple extra seconds before killing a hydra and 2) restricting fire magic for Dith worshippers.
21:38:22 <Lasty> and those really aren't that exciting
21:39:47 <Lasty> If we felt like keeping some piece of the conduct, I'd limit it to explicitly banning only fire magic
21:39:53 <Lasty> but I'm not sure that adds anything really
21:41:37 <gammafunk> yeah
21:58:31 <gammafunk> MarvinPA_: Do you have any problems with Dith losing its fire conduct?