00:00:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
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00:18:02 <rangerofthewest> Gonna start trying to add transporters
00:33:22 <Cheibriados> New Arrival Vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11400 by Beargit
00:43:20 <gammafunk> rangerofthewest: that's cool that you're adding those, but if it's difficult, it's also not the hugest priority
00:43:28 <gammafunk> ??vaultedit[2
00:43:28 <Sequell> vaultedit[2/2]: hangedman's todos: update shown features, tiles; allow putting in text and seeing the vaultedit load that vault; direct links to vault philosophy guides shown for newcomers; dragging around tiles display, expanding it; hovertooltips??;
00:43:57 <gammafunk> some of those things are still good suggestions
00:44:08 <gammafunk> not sure how easy having it load des would be though
00:44:15 <gammafunk> that would probably be a lot of work
00:44:26 <rangerofthewest> gammafunk: Load DES would be a bit challenging, but it's on my Todo list eventually too
00:44:38 <gammafunk> cool
00:44:42 <gammafunk> other things you can look at
00:44:49 <gammafunk> include fog machines..hrm
00:44:59 <gammafunk> that might be the only other important marker-based thing
00:45:08 <rangerofthewest> I want to do it in a smart, fluid way
00:45:20 <rangerofthewest> So I'm being conscientious of how I develop the engine
00:45:39 <rangerofthewest> Presently, the current web version has pretty much all basic functionality aside from Subst, and NSubst, so those are the next two things I want
00:45:45 <gammafunk> those have a few components that get set in the lua marker class
00:45:52 <rangerofthewest> KProp is in. That was a challenge
00:46:00 <gammafunk> yeah those are very important
00:46:10 <gammafunk> and right there are other important tags like kprop
00:46:19 <gammafunk> I guess it handles KMONS and KITEM and KFEAT?
00:46:45 <rangerofthewest> KMons, KItem, KMask, Subst, and Nsubst are the last 5 things I want to do before I would consider the vault editor in a "release-ready" state
00:46:55 <gammafunk> cool
00:47:04 <gammafunk> and shuffle is already supported?
00:47:05 <rangerofthewest> I mean, there's a ton of stuff after that, but those are the key things
00:47:18 <rangerofthewest> Shuffle is supported, KProp is supported, KFeat is supported through the customizable feature glyphs
00:47:39 <rangerofthewest> Although I'll be redesigning how KFeat works to be standard
00:48:01 <gammafunk> I'll have to play with it to see how it works but sounds very cool and could help a lot of people out
00:48:26 <rangerofthewest> Yeah, do play with it. The current build is already pretty functional. Other things that are on my list are to add more validation checks.
00:50:01 <rangerofthewest> KMask is the next system going in - because I can piggy back off of the Kprop handler
00:51:40 <rangerofthewest> Also - you can download your DES file too
00:54:33 <rangerofthewest> ??learn
00:54:33 <Sequell> learndb[1/9]: http://lookupdb.guy.ht/ for a convenient online interface for the learndb. Thank mrwooster! Go to https://loom.shalott.org/learndb to see all the entries on one page.
01:00:12 <rangerofthewest> gammafunk: transporters and fog machines are on after the K-tags and the substs
01:14:07 <rangerofthewest> gammafunk: Also on my to-do - I want to create an easier way to submit DES's from the vault editor, if possible
01:14:29 <gammafunk> rip
01:14:29 <Sequell> rip
03:11:41 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-246-gdc04c06 (34)
03:32:08 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:31:54 <aidanh> there aren't any servers hosting webtiles versions earlier than v0.5, are there?
08:35:05 <geekosaur> I didn't know webtiles went back that far
08:36:24 <geekosaur> !lg * tiles 1 x=cv
08:36:26 <Sequell> 1/6138377. [cv=0.9] Joehai the Skirmisher (L1 DsFi), got out of the dungeon alive on 2011-08-19 18:46:28, with 20 points after 1 turn and 0:00:27.
08:36:56 <geekosaur> !lg * tiles s=-cv
08:37:00 <Sequell> 6138381 games for * (tiles): 3x, 16811x 0.11-a, 71923x 0.12, 92247x 0.22-a, 103397x 0.9, 105546x 0.13, 108585x 0.14, 117870x 0.12-a, 139566x 0.21, 159993x 0.11, 168192x 0.10, 190979x 0.13-a, 192721x 0.15, 209325x 0.16, 226794x 0.15-a, 277364x 0.16-a, 286071x 0.18, 293980x 0.17, 308827x 0.14-a, 341560x 0.19, 358543x 0.20, 387223x 0.18-a, 444218x 0.17-a, 459528x 0.19-a, 529683x 0.20-a, 547432x 0.21-...
08:37:23 <aidanh> ah, great, thanks
08:37:26 <geekosaur> that wa sless than helpful :/
08:37:32 <geekosaur> lexical sort is kinda useless
08:46:26 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  it's not lexical: it's sorted by number of items
08:46:50 <|amethyst> s/items/games/
08:46:52 <geekosaur> yeh, started to realize that later.
08:47:00 <geekosaur> still less than useful :/
08:47:35 <geekosaur> and changelog's first mention of webtiles was an 0.8 that seemes to think ti was updating existing functionality. gee thanks.
08:47:37 <|amethyst> !lg * tiles s=cv o=cv
08:47:41 <Sequell> 6138419 games for * (tiles): 92272x 0.22-a, 139579x 0.21, 547432x 0.21-a, 358543x 0.20, 529683x 0.20-a, 341560x 0.19, 459528x 0.19-a, 286071x 0.18, 387223x 0.18-a, 293980x 0.17, 444218x 0.17-a, 209325x 0.16, 277364x 0.16-a, 192721x 0.15, 226794x 0.15-a, 108585x 0.14, 308827x 0.14-a, 105546x 0.13, 190979x 0.13-a, 71923x 0.12, 117870x 0.12-a, 159993x 0.11, 16811x 0.11-a, 168192x 0.10, 103397x 0.9, 3...
08:47:45 <|amethyst> !lg * tiles s=cv o=-cv
08:47:49 <Sequell> 6138419 games for * (tiles): 3x, 103397x 0.9, 168192x 0.10, 16811x 0.11-a, 159993x 0.11, 117870x 0.12-a, 71923x 0.12, 190979x 0.13-a, 105546x 0.13, 308827x 0.14-a, 108585x 0.14, 226794x 0.15-a, 192721x 0.15, 277364x 0.16-a, 209325x 0.16, 444218x 0.17-a, 293980x 0.17, 387223x 0.18-a, 286071x 0.18, 459528x 0.19-a, 341560x 0.19, 529683x 0.20-a, 358543x 0.20, 547432x 0.21-a, 139579x 0.21, 92272x 0.22-...
10:22:08 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-247-gbddf880: Don't do client-side direction key wrangling 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bddf880757eb
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-248-g9cc6330: Remake god description UI with formatted_scroller 10(9 weeks ago, 5 files, 222+ 214-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cc63303bcad
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-249-gb1c3edc: Make spell memorise text consistent with item actions 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 10+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1c3edcc805c
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-250-gb6b2e11: Append newline to ?/m titles (for consistency) 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6b2e11ed24f
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-251-g8f6a5ca: Add better alternative to print_description() 10(2 months ago, 2 files, 38+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f6a5ca949f5
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-252-g563ed2b: Move monster description quote toggle text to bottom 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/563ed2be8b0a
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-253-g884f77c: Fix wordwrap on FAQ menu, and support long Q/As 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/884f77c9301f
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-254-g603c165: Replace all uses of print_description() 10(2 months ago, 8 files, 57+ 131-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/603c16575071
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-255-gd5f6a46: Remove no-longer-needed helper function 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5f6a467d224
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-256-gc4b626c: Remove unneeded tiles_crt_control instances 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4b626c3e70d
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[ui-overhaul] * 0.22-a0-257-g9c3d165: Remove process_description template monstrosity 10(9 weeks ago, 11 files, 47+ 215-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c3d165242d7
10:38:40 <Cheibriados> ... and 62 more commits
10:41:25 <aidanh> apart from missing text highlighters, that refactor is pretty much complete
10:52:56 <gammafunk> but we want to see how much bigger that branch can grow!
10:53:09 <gammafunk> 72, can we make 100
10:54:59 <wheals> 1learn add 27
10:55:17 <gammafunk> ??27[$
10:55:17 <Sequell> 27[27/27]: The number of entries in {27}.
10:55:25 <gammafunk> ??72
10:55:25 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled 72 in my learndb. Did you mean: 2, 27, 7.
10:55:38 <gammafunk> seems like it could be a new meme
10:56:43 -!- Mandevil_ is now known as Mandevil
10:58:26 <wheals> +    // is is mprtf() called from yesno()
10:58:58 <wheals> in d83f8580, two "is"s and it should just be mprf
11:06:10 <aidanh> ah, thanks
11:08:33 <aidanh> well, 72 is already pushing it; rebases take whole seconds now
11:09:44 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-247-gbddf880757 (34)
11:10:30 <aidanh> I think the code is mostly straight-forward, but I'd appreciate any feedback from a design POV
11:12:30 <aidanh> some screenshots here: https://a.pomf.space/qtmadcvohouf.png https://a.pomf.space/wiglkrffftrf.png https://a.pomf.space/cspbhqtjsqax.png
11:17:39 <aidanh> there's also a side branch which uses proportional text for some stuff: https://a.pomf.space/lvjsfwmyyrws.png
11:18:14 <aidanh> not sure what the general opinion (devs or players) of that would be
11:32:09 <gammafunk> yeah, that's interesting, mixing things like that
11:32:45 <gammafunk> I guess fixed-width stuff is easier to process quickly, which is maybe why players prefer it for things like log messages?
11:33:13 <gammafunk> in that you're looking for some specific details and not really reading it the same way you would a description
11:40:04 <aidanh> that's an interesting consideration; I'd guessed it had more to do with technical reasons and probably some nostalgia
11:41:41 <aidanh> I've actually heard the opposite, that proportional fonts are easier to read; but I think that's less important than what people prefer
11:44:01 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L17 KoAr)  (Swamp:1)
11:44:35 <wheals> !crashlog
11:44:43 <Sequell> 18869. BeSunny, XL27 FoFi, T:68282 (milestone): https://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/BeSunny/crash-BeSunny-20180221-200001.txt
11:44:59 <wheals> !crashlog * cbro
11:45:14 <Sequell> 1609. ziggurnaut, XL17 KoAr, T:40558 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ziggurnaut/crash-ziggurnaut-20180222-164401.txt
11:46:29 <wheals> looks like an rcfile bug causing a lua timeout
11:50:33 <|amethyst> !crashlog ziggurnaut
11:50:34 <Sequell> 72. ziggurnaut, XL17 KoAr, T:40558 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ziggurnaut/crash-ziggurnaut-20180222-164401.txt
11:50:41 <|amethyst> it's been doing this for a while
11:51:00 <|amethyst> and, yeah, I think you're right that it's an rcfile bug
12:04:52 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-247-gbddf880 (34)
13:34:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
15:27:22 <advil> well I don't think what gammafunk said is about being easier to read (which, yeah, proportional fonts are according to any evidence I've seen) but easier to scan quickly for specific cues
15:31:03 <aidanh> that makes more sense, although I'd imagine that other things like colour coding would make a bigger difference
15:46:16 <Cheibriados> Default controls has no way to ctrl-direction attack down-right on some browsers. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11401 by NormalPerson7
16:52:21 <Rotatell> sambo (L15 GrFi) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (D (Sprint))
16:57:14 <Gretell> sanka (L1 VSNe) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D (Sprint))
17:15:59 <rangerofthewest> question: why aren't KPROP and KMASK merged?
17:16:42 <wheals> there's an implementable about that
17:17:11 <wheals> the short answer: they have slightly different semantics so it's not trivial
17:17:19 <rangerofthewest> Delightful.
17:17:38 <rangerofthewest> I'll just add them as separate things in the vault editor for now
17:24:12 <rangerofthewest> Alright. b9 of the vault editor will be up soon including KMask functionality
18:17:30 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-247-gbddf880757 (34)
20:31:33 <rangerofthewest> Subst is the next feature... gotta figure out how to design the UI though
20:55:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:11:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:52:15 <rangerofthewest> OK. Testing Subst now
23:59:21 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-247-gbddf880 (34)