00:29:46 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-223-g0f5d773 (34)
00:42:29 <muravey> are orbs of destruction supposed to destroy rock walls?
01:13:07 <CanOfWorms> no, only wands of digging, lrd and shatter can do that
01:25:06 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-223-g0f5d773 (34)
01:56:57 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-223-g0f5d773
02:54:30 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-223-g0f5d773
03:09:56 -!- mikee__ is now known as mikee_
03:22:38 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-223-g0f5d773 (34)
03:25:03 <Eksell> tilp (L11 MfIE) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_ARMOUR) in 'item-prop.cc' at line 1487 failed. (D:9)
05:29:51 <Ge0ff> FR: show a quick help about the available commands on the M screen.
05:30:08 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/711 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/711
05:30:08 <Cheibriados> 03Muffindrake02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/711 * 0.22-a0-224-gbaa10d1: Iron out typo in Zephyr's description 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/baa10d1796ef
05:30:12 <Ge0ff> Something like [Memorise|Describe|Hide|Un-hide] (toggle: !, search: Ctrl-F)
06:32:06 <Cheibriados> 03Muffindrake02 {amalloy} 07* 0.22-a0-224-g8cf3520: Iron out typo in Zephyr's description 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8cf352047475
06:54:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:59:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
07:09:39 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-224-g8cf3520474 (34)
07:55:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
12:25:38 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-224-g8cf3520 (34)
13:56:11 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[tileschat-mute] * 0.22-a0-160-g0982c2e: Add saving mute lists via a cookie 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 81+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0982c2e47cd8
14:10:41 <advil> is there a way to simulate spectating a console game locally without dgl?
14:33:38 <|amethyst> advil:  run it under ttyrec and use ttyplay from another terminal?
14:35:22 <advil> sorry, specifically, webtiles spectating a console game
15:13:48 <Lightli> !won . mf
15:13:50 <Sequell> Lightli (mf) has won 7 times in 217 games (3.23%): 2xMfBe 1xMfGl 1xMfIE 1xMfSk 1xMfSu 1xMfTm
15:31:29 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
16:08:33 <Cheibriados> Ogres' preferred weapons on the weapon selection screen should include axes and staves. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11391 by NormalPerson7
16:56:26 <RogueAustralian> Hi guys
16:56:36 <RogueAustralian> I'm new to the community, but not the game. Been looking to get into developing
17:05:02 <Rotatell> lunkers (L12 OpMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 367: screen write out of bounds: (1,-2) into (80,24) (D:7)
17:31:27 <wheals> !crashlog
17:31:37 <Sequell> 18857. lunkers, XL12 OpMo, T:15906 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/lunkers/crash-lunkers-20180218-220453.txt
17:34:12 <wheals> i guess there must be some combinations of text where the purchase items prompt goes offscreen
17:40:23 <RogueAustralian> How best to go about submitting new vaults
17:41:56 <RogueAustralian> If this is the wrong place to ask, where would be the right place to ask?
17:43:29 <gammafunk> RogueAustralian: you can submit them on mantis, but these days it's hard to sign up for a new account, so a github pull request is best
17:43:51 <gammafunk> if you have a mantis login already, that's possibly less work if you're not familiar with git
17:44:20 <RogueAustralian> Ehhh... github pull request it is. Time to refamiliarize myself
18:17:59 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-224-g8cf3520474 (34)
18:26:15 <RogueAustralian> OK. This level editing simply won't do.
18:26:18 <RogueAustralian> I'm going to see what I can whip up in terms of a graphical level editor
18:53:27 -!- Euph0ria is now known as TabMasher
18:56:34 <RogueAustralian> woo we have success
19:37:53 <Lightli> I would love one of those
19:40:38 <RogueAustralian> It's not too technical in it's current stages
19:40:45 <RogueAustralian> but it simplifies it
19:41:07 <RogueAustralian> I'm building it around an image editor - so different color pixels denote different tiles, and it converts a png into a tile map. You still have to handwrite the headers and stuff though
19:41:22 <RogueAustralian> but... I mean... the tile map is the time consuming part (in my exceedingly limited experience)
20:05:45 <minmay> RogueAustralian: you might want to look into using GIMP, which allows you to export images to ascii
20:07:00 <RogueAustralian> minmay - good idea
20:07:07 <RogueAustralian> Right now, the program converts colors of pixels into the cards
20:07:08 <RogueAustralian> *tiles
20:23:41 <RogueAustralian> yeah, this definitely makes things easier
20:46:24 <RogueAustralian> Is there a better place to chat?
20:50:47 <johnstein> I like reading your discussion and thoughts, RogueAustralian. fwiw
20:53:43 <RogueAustralian> Thanks :) Just trying to get involved and integrate
20:53:44 <amalloy> RogueAustralian: to talk about crawl development there's no better place than ##crawl-dev. but it's a pretty small population, and there's not always anyone here who's interested in any specific thing
20:54:29 <RogueAustralian> Alright, thank you amalloy. Yeah, I'm just wanting to get involved, and I suppose this is the best way. As far as vault-making goes, how do you make a map feature that can be repeated?
20:54:36 <amalloy> i don't understand that question
20:55:02 <RogueAustralian> Trying to figure out to rephrase
20:55:30 <RogueAustralian> So for example, I made an sbend vault
20:55:41 <RogueAustralian> It's a decorative thing, it has no loot or monsters, it's just a map feature to add variety to the dungeon
20:55:56 <amalloy> sure, we call those decor vaults
20:56:05 <RogueAustralian> OK, cool. How do I make it so it generates more than once
20:56:10 <RogueAustralian> (because most vaults only generate once per game)
20:57:06 <amalloy> have a look through the existing decor vaults and see what they do
20:58:13 <RogueAustralian> that's in mini_features.des right?
20:58:32 <amalloy> RogueAustralian: search for the word "decor"
20:58:47 <RogueAustralian> thanks for your help
21:11:41 <RogueAustralian> Just having fun putting together stuff
21:31:00 -!- TabMasher is now known as Shoggoth
21:58:45 <CanOfWorms> !tell lasty while you're doing some amulet changes, have you considered adjusting failure rates for rage?
21:58:46 <Sequell> CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let lasty know.
22:00:00 <CanOfWorms> !tell lasty 50% base success at 0 evo and 12% at 10 evo is pretty absurd
22:00:01 <Sequell> CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let lasty know.
22:00:09 <Lasty> CanOfWorms: I'm definitely open to it. I'm also open to giving it swap penalties or something.
22:00:09 <Sequell> Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
22:00:27 <CanOfWorms> you can add the berserk penalties on equip (slow and -berserk)
22:00:42 <CanOfWorms> since rage is more of a swap on than a swap off effect
22:02:17 <Lasty> CanOfWorms: that would work if you add both, but just adding -berserk would let you use it to disable berserkitis
22:03:24 <CanOfWorms> true, but I doubt players will want to be slowed in exchange for avoiding berserktitis
22:03:24 <CanOfWorms> just a plain slow is fine too
22:03:41 <RogueAustralian> Gonna try to get into the code base tonight
22:03:46 <CanOfWorms> for failure rates I probably wouldn't drop lower than 25% at 10 evo
22:03:48 <Lasty> yeah
22:03:55 <Lasty> with slow it should block swapping . . .
22:05:02 <CanOfWorms> off the top of my head I think something like 75% at 0 evo and 25-30% at 10 evo would be a good start
22:05:19 <CanOfWorms> getting to 10% should require a significant evo skill since at that point you're reliably duplicating a consumable
22:06:45 <Lasty> I think there are some fair arguments that the amulet just shouldn't exist...
22:06:51 <CanOfWorms> yeah
22:07:20 <CanOfWorms> it could use a strong nerf if it's going to stick around though
22:07:26 <Lasty> rue
22:07:28 <Lasty> true
22:07:55 <RogueAustralian> are we talking about amulet of rage?
22:07:59 <CanOfWorms> yes
22:08:41 <RogueAustralian> Def. needs a strong nerf
22:09:26 <RogueAustralian> Could apply a fail penalty to it, and then give it a higher evo threshold
22:10:48 <gammafunk> I think if you're trying to make it fail 75% of the time when you first find it, that's probably a sign of a problem with the amulet's design
22:11:25 <hellmonk> amulet of berserkitis and it randomly berserks you when you hit something
22:11:31 <hellmonk> no activation
22:12:01 <RogueAustralian> gammafunk has a good point.
22:12:14 <RogueAustralian> I would still advocate for a "miscast" effect for it failing
22:13:59 <Lasty> I think "there is a problem with the design of amulet of rage" is the premise of the discussion, more or less
22:14:17 <CanOfWorms> for comparison, cloaks of invisibility (which I totally did not find on D:1 with one of my characters) have a base failure rate of ~70% and I was able to leverage a lot out of that
22:14:39 <Lasty> I'd be fine with making the amulet give berserkitis and giving a chance to avoid some of the penalties of berserk wearing off, or something like that.
22:15:19 <RogueAustralian> I'd agree with that. Chance for avoiding penalties increases with evo
22:15:24 <Lasty> yeah, that (a)bilities have no real failure cost means some of them can be used at any failure rate
22:16:15 <RogueAustralian> That's the issue I have with it presently
22:16:20 <gammafunk> this is an item that, unlike a cloak of invis, you tend to use less and less as the game goes on
22:16:21 <RogueAustralian> It may fail, but there's no penalty
22:16:30 <RogueAustralian> True, but it renders failure rate moot
22:16:58 <CanOfWorms> no, it still wastes turn
22:17:28 <CanOfWorms> with a reasonable failure rate that puts some level of risk with berserk, since you want the monsters close enough that you can immediately start attacking
22:17:59 <CanOfWorms> and if they're in melee that means you're taking hits while doing nothig
22:18:07 <gammafunk> well that's already the case now with the amulet
22:18:15 <RogueAustralian> Yeah, but that seems sort of misbalanced. I don't know. I'm new to the design philosophy of DCSS, but that still seems a little bit moot given that it's a more early-game item and it's not as big of a deal
22:21:16 <RogueAustralian> I do tend to stray on the harsher side of penalties in games though
22:26:06 -!- thurin is now known as nobaudy
22:27:46 <RogueAustralian> I'm getting a bit of an issue with compiling the game
22:28:22 <RogueAustralian> oh never mind. I didn't read the right Install section
22:30:12 <RogueAustralian> don't have the libraries downloaded on this comp
22:34:08 -!- Snuva is now known as surr
22:35:10 <RogueAustralian> *sigh*
22:40:39 <RogueAustralian> so what do I do if the makefile is missing for zlib?
22:52:24 <RogueAustralian> oh my goodness I actually got it to work. This is the satisfying part of any dev team
23:21:58 <RogueAustralian> So there's something I want to toy with coding just for the kicks of it
23:36:47 <RogueAustralian> It'll probably get rejected, but hey, it's good practice
23:45:31 <RogueAustralian> but yeah. Going to just throw myself into it
23:59:21 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-224-g8cf3520 (34)