00:05:53 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-583-g2c32b0f: Pull out likes_chunks ? HS_* : HS_* into a function. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c32b0fbb737
00:06:04 <|amethyst> does gourmand actually do anything for carnivores?
00:06:17 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-582-g1b93aee (34)
00:06:22 <|amethyst> should it be marked useless the way it is for races (Troll) with innate gourmand?
00:07:10 <advil> it is marked useles
00:07:11 <advil> s
00:07:18 <advil> but you can still wear it, apparently
00:09:13 <advil> you missed one in _hydra_devour
00:09:37 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-582-g1b93aeea53 (34)
00:09:59 <advil> oh that's a different file
00:10:19 <|amethyst> I guess it could be not static
00:10:43 <|amethyst> though the use in lessen_hunger would require arithmetic
00:10:50 <|amethyst> or to change it to one-past-the-max
00:11:14 <|amethyst> s/use in lessen/call to lessen/
01:09:37 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-583-g2c32b0fbb7 (34)
03:13:57 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-583-g2c32b0f (34)
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08:03:11 <windeddragon> Hi, I've got a webtiles server running and I was running how I could generate a overview page for scores and the like? Just like this http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/overview.html
08:25:45 <gammafunk> ??scoring
08:25:45 <Sequell> scoring[1/2]: Source for the CAO scoring pages: https://github.com/crawl/scoring
08:26:08 <gammafunk> windeddragon: you have to run a database based on the code at that repo
08:26:50 <windeddragon> Awesome! Thank you so much
08:38:08 <aidanh> anyone know what brentry is used for? looks like it's used to store a single entry point per branch, but it's never filled for at least abyss
08:39:04 <wheals_> iirc it's used to store what level the entrance to that branch is on?
08:39:30 <wheals_> which is why it's not filled for abyss, it doesn't have an entrance in the same way that lair or orc, for example, do
08:40:18 <aidanh> ah, but it *is* filled for the vestibule
08:40:52 <wheals_> i think that's for which floor in depths will be guaranteed to have a hell portal
08:40:59 <wheals_> and the other floors only have a chance of one being placed
08:41:15 <|amethyst> wheals_:  actually it gets changed when you take another entry
08:41:23 <|amethyst> e.g. that Lair end
08:41:36 <aidanh> so it indicates the return point when you leave vestibule?
08:41:50 <|amethyst> yeah
08:41:50 <wheals_> ah
08:41:50 <|amethyst> !source stairs.cc:954
08:41:50 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc#L954
08:42:02 <aidanh> ok, makes sense, but then of course abyss does something totally different, apparently
08:42:12 <wheals_> yeah it uses the level stack
08:42:22 <wheals_> (in the next case in that switch)
08:42:29 <|amethyst> yeah, in part because of exits through the abyss
08:42:41 <|amethyst> leaving the abyss doesn't necessarily put you back at the place where you entered
08:43:40 <aidanh> you mean push_features_to_abyss()? and doesn't it?
08:44:14 <|amethyst> advil:  no, I mean DNGN_EXIT_THROUGH_ABYSS, which you see in Pan and sometimes Labyrinth
08:44:17 <|amethyst> err
08:44:17 <|amethyst> aidanh:
08:45:03 <|amethyst> e.g. if you take the exit through abyss in Lab, then when you exit Abyss it puts you on the level that had the Lab portal, not in Lab itself
08:45:07 <aidanh> which then, after you leave abyss, dumps you at... the entrance to pan/lab respectively, I'm guessing?
08:45:13 <|amethyst> yeah
08:45:42 <aidanh> hm.. ok, well that looks like it'll need special-casing
08:45:43 <|amethyst> that said, some uses of brentry could probably be replaced with the level stack
08:45:51 <aidanh> what about timed portals?
08:46:13 <|amethyst> I don't remember the details there
08:46:27 <aidanh> ok, thanks, I'll keep poking around
08:46:32 <wheals_> see line 884
08:46:50 <|amethyst> the current thing with the level stack was implemented by kilobyte back in... 0.10 or so?
08:47:03 <|amethyst> maybe 0.11
08:47:04 <wheals_> think that means same rules as pan, so they use the level stack too
08:49:22 <aidanh> looks like it, yeah
08:49:36 <aidanh> so brentry is basically unused except for fixed branches and hell?
08:52:54 <aidanh> separately, anyone mind if I rip out as much of the tiles_crt_control() gunk as I can? removed about half of it so far, with no apparent ill effects
08:53:30 <|amethyst> sure... you're testing with webtiles, right?
08:53:53 <aidanh> of course
08:53:56 <|amethyst> because it seems to have more of effect there than in local tiles
08:53:57 <|amethyst> cool
08:54:18 <aidanh> well, it's not going to have any effect in local tiles because of the ifdefs :)
08:54:24 <|amethyst> aha
08:58:14 <aidanh> it's mostly managing a menu stack and setting HTML attributes for CSS styling of specific menus; but Menu already does both of those
09:41:15 <advil> I considered removing tiles_crt_control but it's still used for the main menu iirc
09:43:05 <advil> and character selection
09:43:09 <advil> see discussion in ##crawl-dev-20170926.lg
09:43:49 <advil> the main menu isn't a big deal (there's a way of getting it in webtiles for debugging) but char selection is a problem
09:44:35 <aidanh> I wasn't going to remove it entirely: just isolate it to menu.cc
09:46:06 <aidanh> the concept itself is not that bad, it's just the way it's scattered everywhere
09:46:24 <advil> I also considered changing the default
09:47:05 <advil> I can't remember why we didn't go that way
09:47:25 <advil> it might have just been, removing would be better than changing the default, but removing is hard because of character selection, so no change
09:47:25 <aidanh> changing the default?
09:48:50 <aidanh> semi-related, I'm going to convert the god-description UI (^ screen) to a formatted_scroller
09:49:13 <advil> there basically aren't any uses of cgotoxy in webtiles that aren't protected by tiles_crt_control ...(CRT_MENU)
09:49:18 <advil> (except for char selection)
09:49:19 <aidanh> which means basically converting a bunch of manual cprintf() to something more structured
09:49:35 <advil> but CRT_NORMAL is the default
09:50:02 <advil> %git f3702fd99c139d0860c345c2fd980
09:50:02 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.21-a0-302-gf3702fd: Fix a fairly nasty bug leading to blank webtiles sometimes 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3702fd99c13
09:50:32 <advil> was what led to this, accidentally using an unprotected cgotoxy in webtiles can blank the screen
09:50:38 <advil> so the status quo is a bit of a mess
09:51:08 <aidanh> hmm.. yup
09:51:48 <aidanh> my general plan right now is to convert most of the popup windows / menus to formatted_scrollers, as a stepping stone to something nicer
09:51:55 <advil> that's probably a good idea
09:52:45 <aidanh> ideally it means abstracting all of the state management into one nasty corner
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11:46:59 <advil> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/Mutation-roulette-brainstorming
11:58:57 <aidanh> has the idea of an options gui ever come up?
12:01:35 <advil> yes
12:02:00 <advil> would be a good thing, it's a big project
12:02:23 <advil> last time it came up, there was no semblance of generic text input, so that's in a slightly better place
12:03:03 <aidanh> well, it'd be much easier on webtiles
12:03:06 <advil> johnny0 was at some point working on a console configuration menu
12:03:38 <advil> well, that's another issue, it'd possibly need two implementations
12:03:42 <advil> bbl
12:09:15 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-583-g2c32b0f (34)
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14:44:29 <amalloy> i'm curious whether anyone's ever seen a monster read a scroll of blinking or teleportation. in response to https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/7knxe2/monsters_reading_scrolls/ i found out it's possible but tremendously unlikely
14:47:58 <geekosaur> I've seen various monsters use it, but yes it's very rare
14:48:40 <amalloy> i've seen monsters cast teleport, just never a scroll that i can recall
14:48:46 <geekosaur> most common if you manage to get them to flee iirc
14:49:15 <geekosaur> (and they happen to be carrying blink or tele)
14:49:16 <amalloy> yeah, my comment in that thread describes the conditions under which a monster will use an escape scroll
14:49:29 <amalloy> they will only use one if they are (a) fleeing, (b) caught/held, or (c) pacified
14:49:42 <amalloy> and, as you say, are carrying such a scroll, and smart enough to use it
15:17:06 <amalloy> gammafunk: now that spawns over time are removed are the "Spawn XP" and "Spawn monster count" columns in a morgue file still useful?
15:33:28 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/676 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/676
15:33:28 <Cheibriados> 03Gregory Chereshnev02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/676 * 0.21-a0-584-g50b4e3e: Translation of UI elements is now possible. 10(17 minutes ago, 5 files, 39+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50b4e3eb8f63
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18:18:26 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-583-g2c32b0fbb7 (34)
18:25:32 <Cheibriados> Fedhas "Growth" and Oklob "Evolution" ability costs are unclear 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11329 by Stonar
19:37:21 <hellmonk> did purple stairs get implemented yet
19:37:22 <Sequell> hellmonk: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
19:46:08 <amalloy> re that recently posted issue, i agree the current descriptions suck since the move from fruit to rations. the (a) screen shows "2 MP, Ration or Piety" (not making it clear that it's 2 rations), and a!b just shows "MP: 2", with no mention of rations at all
19:47:10 <amalloy> i think we could change it to just "Piety or 2 Rations", and "2 Rations per plant"
19:47:23 <amalloy> but then fixing the a!b screen i'm less sure of how to do
20:02:56 <gammafunk> amalloy: Still useful in some places, and I want to make that count orb spawns again, add VaultXP and "Vault monster count", and make that table dump only upon game end
20:03:16 <gammafunk> and and not enable it by default
20:03:22 <gammafunk> s/and and/oh and/
20:14:57 <Cheibriados> Fedhas "Growth" ability defaults to using the maximum number of rations 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11330 by Stonar
20:33:13 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.21-a0-584-g185da8e: Clarify display of Fedhas food-based invocation powers (Stonar, #11330) 10(35 seconds ago, 2 files, 17+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/185da8e1cd4b
20:33:26 <amalloy> oops, wrong mantis issue reference in that commit. oh well
20:33:39 <amalloy> i don't imagine i should force-push to fix it
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20:53:59 <hellmonk> !seen floodkiller
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21:09:36 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-584-g185da8e1cd (34)
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23:59:41 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-584-g185da8e (34)