00:14:03 <Cheibriados> Plants on stairs interfere with interlevel travel. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11326 by Yermak
00:27:50 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-552-g593960d (34)
01:20:35 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-552-g593960d (34)
01:59:42 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-552-g593960d
02:55:13 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-552-g593960d
03:21:34 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-552-g593960d (34)
10:31:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
10:34:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
11:33:52 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
11:52:58 -!- KamiKatze_ is now known as KamiKatze
12:28:36 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-553-g0e17531: Checkwhite. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e175319c123
12:28:36 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-554-gd2a8542: Avoid some clang 6.0 warnings. 10(27 minutes ago, 4 files, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d2a8542f43bb
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-555-g00fd8db: Make food restriction mutations single-level. 10(4 months ago, 14 files, 75+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/00fd8db5d29e
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-556-g0678283: Simplify food_def. 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 15+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/067828315a0a
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-557-ga054861: Merge bread and meat rations. 10(4 months ago, 51 files, 129+ 297-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0548612d03e
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-558-gb1bc957: Remove royal jellies. 10(4 months ago, 43 files, 89+ 144-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1bc95705536
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-559-gb85e219: Merge fruit into rations. 10(4 months ago, 38 files, 122+ 180-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b85e219ba502
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-560-g204c329: Fix swapped herb/carn food values. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/204c32994795
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-561-g4bc9aef: Remove obsolete commends in food.des. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4bc9aefee3ef
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-562-g5b9873a: Decrease herb/carn ration nutrition. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b9873a847b2
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-563-g420a138: Reduce ration nutrition by about 37%. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/420a13800518
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-564-gfcb2e5d: Correct objstat nutrition counts for food piles. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fcb2e5dd27df
12:31:29 <Cheibriados> ... and 11 more commits
12:31:38 <|amethyst> here goes nothing
12:34:11 <advil> uh oh, Change
12:34:11 <Sequell> advil: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them.
12:37:19 <advil> |amethyst: hmm, has there been any discussion of goldifying rations/chunks now?
12:45:30 <|amethyst> advil:  not really, because people are still talking about removing food
12:45:49 <|amethyst> advil:  and neither of those would be feasible for 0.21
12:46:29 <|amethyst> at least I was told to hurry up and get this into trunk or it wouldn't make 0.21 :)
12:46:50 <advil> ah
12:47:31 <|amethyst> IMO goldifying food just merges it into nutrition
12:47:39 <|amethyst> then you might as well have a bar with three markers
12:47:51 <advil> well, with this change it's basically already there
12:48:28 <advil> it just uses inventory slots to do it
12:48:32 <|amethyst> mathematically, yes :)
12:48:53 <|amethyst> though what I was thinking re "bar with three markers" does have other effects
12:49:19 <|amethyst> probably a loss of tactical eating
12:49:45 <advil> hm yeah I did have in mind a goldified version where you still had to hit e
12:49:52 <|amethyst> I was thinking a food bar with markers for current nutrition, current + chunks, and current + chunks + rations
12:50:04 <advil> basically the current system but not using inv slots
12:50:06 <|amethyst> the middle section decays with time
12:50:17 <|amethyst> and the first sections decays differently with time
12:50:25 <|amethyst> (to model chunks and hunger, respectively)
12:50:32 <|amethyst> differently = just rate
12:50:46 <advil> yeah, that would still need all the work of figuring out what to do with ghouls etc that just removing food would have
12:51:04 <|amethyst> and I guess you could trickle the middle and/or right bar into the left one
12:51:46 <advil> heh minmay is now arguing for a goldified food clock in a tavern thread
12:52:28 <advil> which sounds similar to what you're describing
12:52:34 <|amethyst> he's probably thought it through more than I have
12:53:41 <advil> I can't link it directly because it's been thanked, but it's one above https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=324365#p324365
13:09:35 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-575-g651f7c323c (34)
13:18:55 <advil> does make_name have any checks on bad names (e.g. slurs)? I'm not seeing any
13:32:55 <MarvinPA> no, i think it's something that's been discussed a bit in the past (or maybe that was just in the context of banning usernames)
14:49:48 <advil> does anyone know if TAG_GHOST ever shows up in a regular save file for some reason? my guess was no but this code is pretty weird and it seems to be written as if that's possible
14:55:55 <|amethyst> advil:  no, that's used only for loading bones files
14:56:10 <advil> ok, thanks
14:59:20 <advil> I'm trying to minimize this stupid global `ghosts` variable
15:09:49 <advil> seems hard to avoid global state entirely when using this read/write code
16:19:58 <Cheibriados> New branch created: spooky_cleanup (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/spooky_cleanup
16:19:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[spooky_cleanup] * 0.21-a0-553-g4e0d3c9: Don't create buggy ghosts in wizmode 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e0d3c978f9b
16:19:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[spooky_cleanup] * 0.21-a0-554-gacc8fd8: Refactor ghost load/save to avoid global state 10(4 minutes ago, 6 files, 148+ 114-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/acc8fd84587a
17:07:00 <Cheibriados> 03Brannock02 {GitHub} 07* 0.21-a0-576-ge8bd881: Retire, belatedly. 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8bd8812dfad
17:07:30 <travis-ci> The build passed. (spooky_cleanup - acc8fd8 #9047 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/317810612
17:10:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
17:49:06 <Yermak> Is this text enough for bug report or I'll need a backup save too? "Lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'shoals_end_hangedman': ...aster/crawl-git-593960dda5/data/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:583: Failed to place map 'shoals_ilsuiw_ice'"
17:54:01 <Cheibriados> Failed to place map 'shoals_ilsuiw_ice' 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11327 by Yermak
18:09:38 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-576-ge8bd8812df (34)
18:18:01 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-576-ge8bd8812df (34)
20:09:36 <Eksell> theanonym (L27 FoAK) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 580: cloud translocational energy in malign_gateway at (43,19) (Pan)
20:10:01 <gammafunk> that's an interesting one
20:30:26 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.21-a0-577-geea428d: Add information about building Crawl on Windows with the WSL. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eea428d597e5
20:30:45 <wheals_> there's my yearly commit out of the way
20:31:29 <gammafunk> %git --author=wheals
20:31:29 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * eea428d597e5: Add information about building Crawl on Windows with the WSL. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eea428d597e5
20:31:39 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.21-a0-578-gc6e9d75: Move some relevant information upwards. 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6e9d756e6c7
20:31:47 <wheals_> i lied, two updates
20:31:47 <wheals_> commits, rather
20:31:51 <gammafunk> yeah I wanted to look up the previous but that doesn't work
20:31:56 <gammafunk> with chei at least
20:32:41 <gammafunk> aha
20:32:42 <wheals_> i think this is actually the only way to have webtiles on windows
20:32:46 <gammafunk> you've been found out, you fraud!
20:32:50 <gammafunk> %git 80671923d3559
20:32:50 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 {GitHub} * 0.20-a0-511-g8067192: Remove unused setting for interrupt_eat 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80671923d355
20:33:01 <wheals_> damn  that was 2017 huh
20:33:44 <geekosaur> wheals_, for now at least. there's ways to fix all the compatoibility problems, but you're going to find all of them the hard way if you fix the first one (substituting a mailbox for the AF_UNIX socket)
20:34:27 <gammafunk> oh neat, that works, wheals?
20:35:04 <gammafunk> and tiles really doesn't work?
20:36:47 <wheals_> admittedly i didn't try very hard to get tiles working
20:37:52 <wheals_> but it repeatedly gave an "Failed to initialise SDL: Failed to connect to the Mir Server" on startup
20:38:00 <wheals_> because there's no linux-style windowing system actually present
20:39:07 <wheals_> perhaps there's a way to work around this and link to an SDL version that would use windows's windows but i didn't really look into it
21:09:37 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-578-gc6e9d756e6 (34)
21:19:30 -!- Dracunos_ is now known as Dracunos
22:52:23 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/671 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/671
22:52:23 <Cheibriados> 03JoelMarler02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/671 * 0.21-a0-579-g1f33197: Expanded Item Descriptions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 61+ 61-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f331977b29e
23:35:25 <Anomaly> hello
23:35:43 <gammafunk> hi
23:35:58 <Anomaly> i came for advice
23:36:17 <gammafunk> About dcss development?
23:36:24 <Anomaly> yes
23:36:30 <gammafunk> ok, feel free to ask questions
23:36:35 <Anomaly> about building from makefile
23:36:54 <Anomaly> can successfully build default and debug builds
23:36:59 <gammafunk> Let us know what OS you have and how you're trying to build
23:37:22 <Anomaly> but the release build im having issues with
23:37:38 <Anomaly> OS is Win10. using msys64
23:37:45 <gammafunk> ok
23:37:52 <gammafunk> oh, you say release build
23:37:57 <Anomaly> using the git project with the makefile
23:38:02 <gammafunk> do you mean things like package-zips ?
23:38:27 <Anomaly> yes
23:38:38 <gammafunk> er package-windows and package-windows-zips
23:38:48 <gammafunk> when I last tried package-windows in msys, it didn't work
23:38:49 <Anomaly> the install target is not behaving the way i expect
23:38:59 <Anomaly> oh
23:39:19 <gammafunk> I think there's something wrong in the makefile wrt the windows packager step
23:39:19 <gammafunk> and I never tried to fix that
23:39:32 <gammafunk> since we use cross-compilation to make windows packages, it's not much an issue for us
23:39:41 <gammafunk> do you actually need a package or do you just want a Tiles build?
23:39:55 <gammafunk> I'm not sure if package-windows-zips works though, that one might be ok
23:40:17 <gammafunk> the only reason to make a package is if you want to distribute it
23:40:26 <Anomaly> I want to validate i can recreate a release build before trying to develop
23:40:47 <gammafunk> well, release builds are only made by the dev (myself) making the release for download
23:40:55 <gammafunk> for normal development you just want a typical Tiles or console build
23:40:56 <Anomaly> what is the make command for cross-compilation for windows
23:40:59 <gammafunk> and run it from the dir
23:41:07 <gammafunk> Have you seen the release guide?
23:41:27 <gammafunk> sounds like you have, since you know about the package; the cross-compilation command is there, but of course that's for compiling from Linux
23:41:29 <Anomaly> no i have not scene a release guide
23:41:38 <gammafunk> well, the command is
23:41:50 <gammafunk> make LTO=y CROSSHOST=i686-w64-mingw32 package-windows
23:41:52 <Anomaly> do you meen INSTALL.txt
23:41:55 <gammafunk> but remove LTO=y
23:42:06 <gammafunk> no, there's a release guide; again this is not what you want to worry about to do development
23:42:11 <gammafunk> making a release package, I mean
23:42:25 <gammafunk> if you'd like to distribute and want to develop in msys
23:42:31 <gammafunk> maybe try package-windows-zips
23:42:44 <gammafunk> but the problem with making release packages is that you're doing both a console and Tiles build
23:42:44 <Anomaly> OK thank you very much +gammafunk
23:42:55 <gammafunk> so for normal development you don't want to do all that just to test something
23:43:06 <gammafunk> recommend you simply make a console or Tiles build normally, per INSTALL.txt
23:43:41 <gammafunk> if you find msys to be slow (it's pretty slow), you could consider trying the Win 10 Linux subsystem (I haven't tried this myself), but that only works for Console
23:44:00 <gammafunk> alternately you can do development on Linux or in a Linux VM from windows (possibly only a little faster than msys)
23:44:36 <gammafunk> and if you want to do windows builds, from Linux or Linux VM you can cross-compile to windows using that command I gave
23:44:48 <gammafunk> (without LTO=y, since I think that doesn't work was I tried)
23:52:29 <Rotatell> gameguard (L18 DsWn) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1910 failed. (Shoals:4)
23:58:54 <advil> !crashlog
23:59:09 <Sequell> 18229. gameguard, XL18 DsWn, T:47669 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gameguard/crash-gameguard-20171218-045220.txt
23:59:10 <advil> hahaha in response to removing purple chunks, "now hellcrawl is my best friend"
23:59:16 <advil> the cognitive dissonance is impressive