02:41:34 -!- KamiKatze_ is now known as KamiKatze
02:45:59 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-529-g8c7b3f5
09:25:03 <aidanh> Seems like unidentified faerie dragon scales have the description of acid dragon scales: once identified, the desc is corrected
10:08:23 <johnstein> !tell hellmonk sorry for the delay in updating. busy lately. remember, for simple updates, ANY dev with rebuild access to cbro can launch the update.
10:08:23 <Sequell> johnstein: OK, I'll let hellmonk know.
10:08:32 <johnstein> ??rebuild
10:08:32 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
10:21:17 <Rotatell> Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 5.1-135-g257c234
11:07:09 <foo_> Hey guys. Perhaps not a very modest question. But I already made contributions to crawl and marked in credits. What should I do to have a chance to join the development team? Should I fix any bugs reported to Mantis? Or to implement a large feature? Or send a large number of small patches? Forgive this question, but I like to ask directly, despite the fact that it's a bit self-confident.
11:35:27 <foo_> In any case, I will be grateful for the answer. I'll read the log later.
12:50:41 <Yermak> !source float.des
12:50:42 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des
14:26:25 <amalloy> foo_: i think any of those are possible routes to joining the dev team. my understanding is that we invite people to the dev team when they've contributed a significant amount of work, whether over many patches or a few large patches, as well as shown good judgment and attitude
14:28:57 <amalloy> foo_: for example, i joined after submitting a large number of small bug fixes, gameplay streamlining changes, and code cleanup/refactoring. but my understanding is that (again, for example) Lasty mostly joined on the basis of one big patch (Ru)
14:30:15 <amalloy> foo_: if you are interested in joining the dev team, my advice would be to continue trying to improve the game in whatever way you think is best, and also to hang out some in ##crawl-dev or some other locale where you can hear how the dev team works (GDD on tavern??? i dunno, for me it's ##crawl-dev), and so that we can hear how you work
14:31:04 <Wahaha> Hi, I noticed that some games on my scoring page, specifically played on version 0.19-a0 are duplicated or triplicated. Is this a known issue?
14:31:27 <amalloy> Wahaha: on cjr?
14:32:01 <amalloy> i understand duplicated scoring was a problem on cjr at some time in the past; i don't know the outcome of any attempts to fix that though
14:33:47 <Wahaha> I don't think it was cjr. It was cszo or something like that (not cxc)
14:34:18 <amalloy> !lg Wahaha recentish s=src
14:34:18 <Sequell> 29 games for Wahaha (recentish): 29x cjr
14:34:24 <amalloy> gotcha
14:34:26 <Wahaha> ok well maybe it was renamed lol
14:35:39 <Wahaha> The address wasn't jorgrun.rocks, it was vaguely something like crawl.s-z.co
14:36:00 <amalloy> hm, well, that's definitely cszo
14:36:10 <amalloy> i wasn't aware of duplicate scoring problems on cszo
14:36:23 <amalloy> !lg Wahaha cszo s=cv
14:36:23 <Sequell> 389 games for Wahaha (cszo): 113x 0.12-a, 72x 0.13-a, 43x 0.15-a, 36x 0.11, 31x 0.13, 28x 0.14-a, 25x 0.12, 24x 0.14, 10x 0.15, 3x 0.17-a, 3x 0.16-a, 0.16
14:36:41 <amalloy> !lg Wahaha cjr s=cv
14:36:42 <Sequell> 29 games for Wahaha (cjr): 29x 0.19-a
14:36:54 <Wahaha> Ok you must be right and I must be misremembering playing on cjr later
14:38:30 <amalloy> you probably switched when cszo was decommissioned
14:40:28 <Wahaha> Should I just ignore the duplication then? It looks messy but it's not a big issue I guess
14:43:03 <amalloy> Wahaha: i'm not sure who the right person is to follow up with about whether the duplication will be fixed. my best guess would be that maybe |amethyst or gammafunk remembers what happened, but neither of them can actually fix it without some work from the cjr maintainer
14:56:53 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.21-a0-530-g832612b: Update INSTALL.txt to be less optimistic about MSVC 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/832612bea9f8
15:04:32 <amalloy> advil: s/later/modern/ maybe?
15:04:39 <amalloy> since it sounds like you mean "future versions"
15:11:16 <amalloy> (but i won't make that change myself since i'm not sure i understand what you intended)
15:31:14 <KamiKatze> Hi, I would like to lurk some time and see if after a while I could be of some use to this project, or not.
15:49:23 <amalloy> please do
15:53:28 <Lantell> MummyMadness (L23 MuAE) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 4302: Invalid item: (quantity: 0) gold piece (Depths:5)
16:04:20 <espais> anybody online that's good with server configs?
16:04:42 <espais> have an olllld followup question on a private dgl server...but it's more of an apache issue than dgl
16:06:12 <espais> basically i have dgl running smoothly on port 8000, and i have an apache server running on the same machine on 80, but i can't get the config right to display the morgues through apache
16:09:15 <KamiKatze> espais, I just arrived here and was reading this documentation: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles
16:09:39 <espais> yea that's what i based the install from
16:09:40 <KamiKatze> may be is what you are looking for there
16:09:54 <KamiKatze> hmm. Sorry then.
16:10:00 <espais> are you good with apache configuring?
16:10:35 <KamiKatze> not really. I stopped configuring apaches since I could embed Jetty/Grizzly into Java Servers
16:11:17 <espais> lol, ok
16:28:40 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.21-a0-531-gacddea6: Tweak INSTALL.txt wording more (amalloy) 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/acddea61339a
16:30:23 <gammafunk> espais: what happens when you try to access the morgues through apache?
16:30:45 <espais> 404: Not Found
16:32:36 <gammafunk> and how is your apache virtualhost configured?
16:34:31 <espais> probably poorly!
16:34:34 <|amethyst> espais:  you symlinked them into /var/www/crawl as in step 12?
16:34:42 <espais> but mainly according to the dgl instructions
16:34:45 <espais> here's the config: https://pastebin.com/UuR7SxVx
16:34:51 -!- Rom is now known as Guest54997
16:35:15 <espais> i'll check on those symlinks, i'm 99.9% sure i did
16:36:03 <gammafunk> yeah missing the symlinks into the chroot would be the first thing to check for that
16:36:21 <gammafunk> not having the relevant directories in the chroot would be the first, I guess
16:36:23 <|amethyst> espais:  hm, apache is supposed to be running on both port 80 and 8000?
16:36:25 <espais> they are there
16:36:33 <espais> just 80, 8000 is dgl
16:36:39 <|amethyst> espais:  I see 80 has /var/www/html as the root while 8000 has /var/www/html
16:36:44 <|amethyst> espais:  <VirtualHost *:8000>
16:36:44 <|amethyst> ServerName MY_IP
16:36:45 <|amethyst> DocumentRoot /var/www/crawl
16:36:45 <|amethyst> RewriteEngine on
16:36:56 <espais> so right now if i go to 80 i see the apache default page, and 8000 i see the crawl lobby
16:37:20 <|amethyst> espais:  maybe you wanted that  DocumentRoot /var/www/crawl   line inside the :80 virtualhost?
16:38:44 <gammafunk> oh yeah, you're missing the closing tag
16:39:13 <gammafunk> also yeah what neil said, you have :80 set up for another virtualhost
16:39:13 <espais> ok so that works, however then if i move that then the apache server goes away
16:39:34 <espais> perhaps i misspoke, everything crawl-related is supposed to be under :8000 as :80 is to serve a different website
16:39:40 <gammafunk> ok
16:40:00 <espais> but you're right, if i move that documentroot the morgues do show up
16:40:24 <|amethyst> so you want webtiles running on port 8000, apache for a different server on port 80, ... and where should apache for the crawl files go?
16:40:43 <gammafunk> that's what I was confused about
16:41:01 <gammafunk> you shouldn't be running webtiles on 8000, are you using 8080?
16:41:16 <espais> i need to run it on 8000 because that's the port my university opened up for me
16:41:24 <espais> 8080 is blocked
16:41:27 <gammafunk> right, so you can't run webtiles and apache on the same port
16:41:30 <|amethyst> you can't serve port 8000 with both apache and webtiles, though you could set up apache to reverse-proxy for webtiles
16:41:31 <espais> right
16:41:31 <gammafunk> they are not the same process
16:41:44 <espais> 8000 isn't apache though is it?
16:42:00 <gammafunk> yes it is, with your current configuration
16:42:02 <|amethyst> You have some stuff in that config that refers to port 8000
16:42:07 <gammafunk> you're telling apache to listen on port 8000
16:42:15 <espais> right, let me give you the layout
16:42:27 <|amethyst> whether apache actually listens on 8000 depends on your ports.conf
16:42:44 <espais> i don't care where morgue is shown, as long as it doesn't conflict with a base website
16:42:49 <espais> here's the structure i anticipated:
16:42:59 <espais> IP:80 --> apache website to describe project
16:43:04 <espais> IP:8000 --> crawl server
16:43:08 <espais> (those currently work as expected)
16:43:15 <espais> then IP:8000/morgue --> morgues
16:43:25 <espais> (but i don't care if i have to do IP:80/morgue to show)
16:43:30 <gammafunk> well crawl server is listening on 8000, right?
16:43:33 <espais> yes
16:43:49 <gammafunk> so how is crawl server supposed to send requests to morgues?
16:43:52 <|amethyst> webtiles isn't smart enough to do that, so you'd need to have apache reverse proxy... I think TZer0 has a config that does that
16:43:57 <|amethyst> but
16:43:58 <gammafunk> crawl server is not an apache, it only knows how to be webtiles
16:44:03 <espais> ok
16:44:07 <espais> so morgue has to be shown on 80 then
16:44:25 <|amethyst> if you're okay with  IP:80/crawl/   then
16:44:25 <espais> yea, sure
16:44:25 <espais> i just want it shown :)
16:44:37 <|amethyst> move /var/www/crawl beneath /var/www/html/
16:45:08 <gammafunk> like |amethyst is saying though, you can set up apache to be the only thing listening on 8000
16:45:58 <gammafunk> not that I actually know how to do this myself
16:46:15 <espais> i suppose i'm missing something, i assume they're two separate processes
16:46:17 <amalloy> right, start up webtiles on some non-exposed port (say, 4545), and have apache listen on 8000. then you can configure apache to either serve a morgue, if the url starts with /morgue or whatever, or else forward to port 4545
16:46:40 <espais> i suppose the easiest thing though would be like he said, to just move the symlinks under /var/www/html
16:47:11 <gammafunk> yeah if you don't mind users going through port :80 for meta stuff, that's easier
16:47:24 <espais> yea, not at all for me
16:47:43 <gammafunk> amalloy: clearly has to be port 4000 or port 4040 for the might to be right, no?
16:47:59 <gammafunk> you halve the port number to double the traffic...
16:48:11 <amalloy> the might...to be right?
16:48:32 <gammafunk> dammit, that was a fragrant violation of grammar
16:48:54 <espais> hot damn, that owrked
16:48:55 <espais> *worked
16:49:10 <espais> thanks all
16:49:13 <espais> that was driving me nuts
16:49:17 <espais> of course it was a simple workaround
16:49:49 <amalloy> if only my gramamatical errors were as aromatic as gammafunk's
16:51:08 <espais> i hear that air fresheners impart a nice aroma
16:51:29 <gammafunk> ...they won't once neil merges food-unification
16:51:40 <espais> now if only there was some magic formula to get my octopodes to survive...
16:51:44 <gammafunk> fruits will cease to exist
16:52:20 <|amethyst> in the grim future of Crawl, there is only beef jerky and stale bread
16:52:34 <espais> sounds like bourbon needs to be introduced
16:52:46 <|amethyst> that was removed some time ago
16:52:59 <gammafunk> !beer espais
16:53:00 * Sequell slides a can of cask ale down the bar to espais, courtesy of gammafunk.
16:53:08 <espais> oh...oh my
16:53:15 <|amethyst> !booze me
16:54:02 <espais> how did you know cask ale was my favorite
16:56:30 -!- tensorpu- is now known as tensorpudding
17:00:59 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin
17:01:38 <espais> RIP fruits
17:01:43 <espais> how ever will we make wine
17:02:16 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon
17:02:57 <amalloy> espais: just remove another flavour of elf, and players will produce enough whine for decades
17:06:06 <espais> _
17:06:11 <espais> ___(_)_ __   __ _
17:06:21 <espais> |_  / | '_ \ / _` |
17:06:24 <espais> ah that's not going to work
17:06:26 <espais> oh well
17:06:26 <espais> ZING
17:06:31 <espais> in lovely ascii art
17:10:26 <espais> gammafunk: any excitement in qw world?
17:10:46 <espais> every year when i get a little bit of downtime i go back to thinking i want to have some ML stuff play with your bot
17:10:58 <espais> then reality hits and i get swamped
17:19:07 <gammafunk> espais: it's not my bot, it's elliptic's bot
17:19:34 <gammafunk> my bots are a lot less smart than his
17:19:44 <gammafunk> they only know how to do IRC relay
17:20:04 <espais> ohhhh you forked it
17:20:05 <espais> dammit
17:20:07 <espais> i'm an idiot
17:20:16 <espais> !beer elliptic
17:20:16 * Sequell slides a mug of imperial stout down the bar to elliptic, courtesy of espais.
17:20:34 <gammafunk> oh yeah I have a fork but I've not done any work on it
17:20:52 <espais> i'm in here too infrequently, i keep forgetting username/project correlations
17:24:04 <SteelNeuron> I'm leaving really shortly but I wanted to leave some thoughts for any interested dev to comment:
17:24:17 <SteelNeuron> I'm thinking Serpent's Lash should calculate number of attacks based on a normalized 10 aut move speed
17:24:45 <SteelNeuron> as it stands, Naga benefit more from it than Spriggans since, despite the move being instant for both, their move speed is used for the attack number scaling ratio
17:24:55 <SteelNeuron> it doesn't really make sense since both are moving instantly
17:25:08 <amalloy> WJC statue form secret tech
17:25:37 <SteelNeuron> yeah, it pays off to be very slow moving to exploit Lash damage, which is weird
17:26:04 <SteelNeuron> I can't think of any immediate drawbacks of scaling it to a 10 aut move speed base though
17:26:44 <amalloy> SteelNeuron: if it calculates number of attacks based on 10 aut move speed regardless of your move speed, couldn't it just always choose "exactly one attack per move"?
17:27:01 <amalloy> i guess not because of weapon speeds
17:27:08 <SteelNeuron> yeah that's the main issue
17:27:18 <SteelNeuron> otherwise you'd swap into the heaviest weapon you have before lashing
17:27:44 <SteelNeuron> the current scaling method that averages number of attacks over time works pretty well, outside of this issue with Serpent's Lash
17:28:14 <SteelNeuron> there is an unavoidable aspect of Serpent's Lash that benefits slow races: two free moves for a Naga are worth more than the same for a Spriggan
17:28:20 <SteelNeuron> so it feels weird to punish them further
17:29:56 <SteelNeuron> anyway, I really have to go now so I'll read your responses tomorrow :)
17:41:12 <KamiKatze> how much processing power and resources (RAM / CPU Cores / Network Throughput, etc) are needed to run like, say, 100 parallel DCSS games?
17:44:00 <amalloy> ^status
17:44:00 <Rotatell> 42 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=91% (135GB) | RAM usage=43% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 17:44:00 up 283 days, 23:22,  2 users,  load average: 0.98, 0.89, 0.81 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
17:44:24 <amalloy> so, that's cbro's current stats
17:44:34 <KamiKatze> cool, thank you
17:48:20 <KamiKatze> !status
17:48:42 <amalloy> cbro is the only server with that command, and it's ^status
17:50:32 <KamiKatze> Ah, I was just wondering if I could use the glyphs for the other bots.
17:52:36 <KamiKatze> background: I'm considering the possibility of hosting a DCSS server. Got that idea two days ago and now I'm trying to find out how much time and resources (money) would that need to invest into such an enterprise.
17:52:58 <KamiKatze> that -> I
17:53:50 <KamiKatze> The other question is: Does the DCSS community needs another server location at all?
17:55:06 <gammafunk> We more need something like a south american server probably
17:56:34 <KamiKatze> a ver que se puede hacer.
17:56:59 <KamiKatze> well I'm from South America, but living in Germany.
17:57:24 <gammafunk> running an official server is a really long-term commitment as well; it takes some maintanence with every release to set up new versions and support the tournament
17:57:32 <amalloy> KamiKatze: that means something like "let's see if i can do that"?
17:57:52 <gammafunk> it's not a lot of work necessarilly, but it's also not something you want to decide to do on a whim
17:58:07 <KamiKatze> almost: "Let's see what can be done (in that respect)"
17:58:36 <amalloy> ah, puede, not puedo. i knew there was a reason the "se" was confusing me
17:58:36 <gammafunk> cjr is our third US server and it sees fairly light traffic; the problem is we don't have a really effective way to actually direct users to specific servers
17:58:37 <KamiKatze> yeah, I can imagine that. And I do not want to make any empty promises.
17:59:22 <KamiKatze> well, for doing that you need a Geo located DNS.
17:59:42 <amalloy> KamiKatze: you could ask johnstein what cbro costs him to run
17:59:42 <KamiKatze> and then put some servers in different locations but under a single domain
17:59:51 <gammafunk> we need a bunch of infrastructure that we don't really have
17:59:56 <|amethyst> you'd also need a centralised user db for that to work
18:00:17 <|amethyst> right now we have the link on the home page that tries to geolocate you and pick the nearest server
18:00:22 <KamiKatze> yeah, I know those problems from other projects. (I have yet no idea about DCSS)
18:00:42 <gammafunk> yeah, single sign-on is a major thing we'd really like to have, but no one has actually worked on it
18:00:48 <KamiKatze> yes, but most players go to CAO at the end.
18:00:58 <gammafunk> we need that more than we need more servers, probably
18:01:28 <gammafunk> but I have heard south american users complain about ping time; the thing is I'm not sure that just hosting a server in e.g. brazil would help the ones in e.g. chile or argentina so much
18:01:50 <johnstein> cbro runs on RamNode
18:02:10 <KamiKatze> I can considering Digitalocean
18:02:18 <johnstein> should be the $40/month open vz option
18:02:32 <johnstein> or something like that
18:02:32 <KamiKatze> nice
18:02:45 <geekosaur> it wouldn;'t be perfect but it'd be far better than having to access one in Australia, or even the US
18:02:58 <KamiKatze> I would put all into AWS, but that thing is too expensive for projects like this
18:03:00 <johnstein> I think it would be more efficient to spin up DO droplets or whatever they are called that would scale with demand. but yea. no central auth
18:03:34 <johnstein> I'm seriously concerned cbro won't do very well for the first couple days of the next tourney
18:03:36 <KamiKatze> I guess that having central auth may imply to split the server code?
18:04:14 <johnstein> no. it's the issue of the same username by different people on different servers that usually causes a lot of the issue
18:04:32 <johnstein> Decisions would have to be made
18:04:45 <KamiKatze> yeah. registering in all servers just to be sure no one else takes your handle is quite weak
18:04:46 <johnstein> there's other issues that I always forget
18:05:19 <johnstein> but having authentication handled separate from the server would be great
18:06:44 <gammafunk> Webtiles would certainly need modifications to support any central auth scheme
18:06:49 <Yermak> cxc: some guy fighting holy floor on Zig:27 in Necroform!
18:07:05 <gammafunk> Yermak: remember when silver stars were a thing?
18:07:15 <Yermak> yeah
18:07:25 <amalloy> i think silver stars were before my time. what's their deal?
18:07:26 <gammafunk> I guess back then you had more broken things at your disposal, as well
18:07:44 <Cheibriados> silver star (15*) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 12/15 | 08holy, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 08holy, 04napalm | XP: 7795 | Sp: holy light (3d40), silver blast (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal.

18:07:44 <gammafunk> %0.10?silver star
18:07:44 <Cheibriados> goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human.

18:07:44 <gammafunk> %?goblin
18:07:46 <Yermak> !lg . ckiller=~silver_star
18:07:47 <gammafunk> oh
18:07:48 <Sequell> No games for Yermak (ckiller=~silver_star).
18:07:49 <gammafunk> there we go
18:07:57 <gammafunk> so that damage from holy light and silver blast
18:08:01 <gammafunk> is what unholy things got
18:08:04 <Yermak> !lg * ckiller=~silver_star x=dam
18:09:06 <amalloy> !lg Yermak ckiller=silver_star
18:09:14 <Sequell> 25. [dam=42] casual the Anemomancer (L27 OpIE of Cheibriados), blasted by a silver star (silver bolt) on Zig:14 on 2016-01-12 01:06:00, with 680321 points after 78273 turns and 3:52:04.
18:09:15 <Sequell> No games for Yermak (ckiller=silver_star).
18:09:20 <gammafunk> this is on top of all the other things you fight on the holy zig floor
18:09:28 <gammafunk> !lg * cikiller=silver_star max=dam x=dam
18:09:29 <Sequell> 25. [dam=145] kryft the Eclecticist (L27 MuFE of Sif Muna), blasted by a silver star (beam of golden light) in Pandemonium (evilmike_holy_pan) on 2013-10-26 11:14:51, with 839222 points after 172693 turns and 19:57:37.
18:10:12 <gammafunk> they were a silly monster, since you resisted the vast majority of that damage if you weren't ds/undead
18:10:26 <gammafunk> and they looked like a christmas ornament in tiles
18:10:35 <Yermak> oh, this is crawl-dev, oops
18:11:13 <gammafunk> !lg amalloy 1 x=cv
18:11:14 <Sequell> 1/418. [cv=0.15-a] amalloy the Chiller (L3 FeIE), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2014-08-08 02:41:12, with 51 points after 2342 turns and 0:11:24.
18:11:17 <gammafunk> oh my
18:11:25 <gammafunk> these young whipper-snappers
18:11:28 <amalloy> dude i've told you about that game. i watched the replay
18:11:33 <amalloy> it was great
18:11:41 <amalloy> oh i thought you were gonna make fun of me for dying to a worm
18:11:46 <gammafunk> haha
18:12:12 <gammafunk> dying as a felid to a worm...even neil wouldn't do this...
18:12:40 <gammafunk> you got to have your first death be a stylish one
18:12:42 <gammafunk> !lg . 1
18:12:56 <Sequell> 1/776. gammafunk the Cudgeler (L6 HEFi), mangled by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:4 on 2012-04-26 22:42:48, with 466 points after 5210 turns and 0:28:36.
18:13:06 <gammafunk> !lg elliptic 1
18:13:09 <Sequell> 1/2011. elliptic the Executioner (L23 MDCK of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2009-08-02 00:08:16, with 2104339 points after 70854 turns and 7:47:03.
18:13:11 <gammafunk> !lg neil 1
18:13:16 <Sequell> 1/14851. Neil the Ruinous (L3 DECj), slain by a snake on D:3 on 2011-08-10 11:11:11, with 192 points after 2668 turns and 0:06:16.
18:14:31 <amalloy> gammafunk: anyway it's a good replay. i fight a worm and like, actually do good kiting and retreat to rest when i'm too badly hurt
18:14:38 <amalloy> and then a few minutes later i fight another worm and just tab it
18:15:15 <amalloy> !lg neil fe-- killer=worm
18:15:15 <gammafunk> mental fatigue is real
18:15:16 <Sequell> 7. neil the Grave Robber (L3 FeNe), mangled by a worm on D:2 on 2015-11-21 18:08:44, with 60 points after 2378 turns and 0:03:23.
18:15:37 <gammafunk> !lg . killer=worm
18:15:38 <Sequell> 3. gammafunk the Slasher (L1 HECK of Xom), slain by a worm (kmap: dpeg_arrival_brainrot) on D:1 on 2016-05-19 02:35:46, with 0 points after 83 turns and 0:00:08.
18:15:43 <gammafunk> !lg . killer=worm -2
18:15:44 <Sequell> 2/3. gammafunk the Ducker (L1 FeCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:1 on 2013-04-14 07:01:08, with 66 points after 191 turns and 0:01:12.
18:15:48 <gammafunk> oh
18:15:50 <gammafunk> !lg . killer=worm -3
18:15:51 <Sequell> 1/3. gammafunk the Scratcher (L2 FeCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2013-04-14 03:22:43, with 53 points after 775 turns and 0:05:56.
18:15:53 <amalloy> !lastgames . killer=worm
18:15:55 <Sequell> Last 10 games for amalloy: L3 OpCj^ (a worm), L3 GrEE^Sif (a worm), L3 FeIE^ (a worm)
18:16:16 <amalloy> Sif the only god so weak you can still die to a worm
18:17:34 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-531-gacddea6133 (34)
18:17:39 <gammafunk> my deaths to worms were all CK, which don't count
18:17:53 <gammafunk> and by that same reasoning elliptic's first game also doesn't count
18:18:08 <gammafunk> !lg elliptic 2
18:18:08 <Sequell> 2/2011. elliptic the Skirmisher (L2 DsBe of Trog), succumbed to poison on D:1 on 2009-08-02 07:14:34, with 80 points after 389 turns and 0:02:25.
18:18:08 <gammafunk> that's his actual first game
18:18:53 <Yermak> wow, I have 49 worm deaths
18:19:34 <amalloy> !lg yermak killer=sheep
18:19:35 <Sequell> 2. Yermak the Covert (L9 SpGl of Uskayaw), slain by a sheep on D:7 (grunt_livestock) on 2016-07-28 12:49:57, with 2805 points after 3700 turns and 0:27:13.
18:20:00 <amalloy> another source of good !tv is to look for sheep deaths. i was sad when we took those out and replaced them with dream sheep
18:20:43 <amalloy> .greatersheep
18:20:58 <amalloy> i wrote some kind of command to find sheep deaths from greaterplayers
18:21:02 <amalloy> but i can't remember where it is
18:21:19 <KamiKatze> does the xom vault still exists? the one where the wall disappears and then sheep just burn.
18:21:44 <Yermak> yes
18:22:11 <amalloy> .greatsheep
18:22:15 <Sequell> 1/110. heteroy, XL6 DgEn, T:4674 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
18:22:48 <amalloy> wow this game is old
18:23:52 <KamiKatze> indeed
19:02:55 -!- illusion is now known as Guest50712
19:15:13 <Eksell> Typee (L18 OpEE) ASSERT(attacker) in 'attack.cc' at line 351 failed. (Shoals:3)
19:19:59 <amalloy> !crashlog
19:20:07 <Sequell> 18208. Typee, XL18 OpEE, T:59261 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Typee/crash-Typee-20171212-001450.txt
19:21:46 <amalloy> a classic
19:36:50 <amalloy> i really have no idea how to fix stuff like that: the whole system is built on effects causing other effects recursively, and naturally the invariants you expect to hold don't actually hold if you perform unrestricted unknowable side effects at arbitrary times
19:39:51 <amalloy> i love the idea of doing all these side effects as fineffects instead. like when you kill a ball lightning it would put an explosion onto the fineff queue, rather than exploding right away. but i don't really know that making that change globally would really improve things, even if i had the stamina to make such a sweeping refactoring
19:42:12 <amalloy> then at least the thrown javelin would finish hitting monsters before the thrower is killed
19:46:58 <|amethyst> amalloy:  not necessarily:
19:47:20 <|amethyst> amalloy:  monster with javelin of penetration throwing at a player with warlock's mirror
19:47:31 <|amethyst> amalloy:  javelin reflects, kills the thrower, then keeps going
19:47:59 <amalloy> thrower dying is a fineff too. everything dies in a fineff
19:48:02 <|amethyst> amalloy:  (I assume warlock's mirror can reflect penetration the way it reflects beam spells)
19:48:12 <|amethyst> *that* would be easier to do I think
19:48:18 <|amethyst> well, "easy"
19:48:27 <|amethyst> leading to all kinds of other, but at least different, bugs
19:48:32 <amalloy> yes, exactly
19:48:44 <amalloy> it's an approach which is great except for all the bugs in it
19:49:07 <|amethyst> for throwing killing the thrower, I think the simplest fix would be to store the relevant information in the attack
19:49:16 <|amethyst> we already do that for a lot of info
19:49:58 <|amethyst> fineffs for a lot more things would be good, but unless you do delay all monster death, they wouldn't solve the problem
19:50:05 <|amethyst> just reduce it substantially
19:50:44 <|amethyst> oh, I see
19:50:56 <|amethyst> I guess it would have to be stored in the beam, not just the attack :/
19:51:35 <|amethyst> since a new ranged_attack gets created for each affected actor
19:51:55 <|amethyst> hm
19:52:30 <|amethyst> maybe the beam could make a prototype attack and copy that... but then you'd just be using a dead monster rather than a nullptr, so not much better
19:53:12 <|amethyst> so attack::init_attack would still have to work without an attacker, which is a problem
19:55:24 <|amethyst> hm, if you make and copy a prototype, I guess you can avoid calling init_attack more than once
19:55:41 <|amethyst> so then it's a matter of whether everything *else* in attack handles a dead attacker
19:55:58 <|amethyst> a lot of it does, because a lot of steps in the attack process can kill the attacker
19:57:14 <|amethyst> hm, ranged_attack::attack already calls methods on attacker, so I guess not :(
19:59:49 <|amethyst> ?/impossible
19:59:49 <Sequell> Matching terms (1): impossible; entries (11): berserk[7] | devteam[5] | grunt[25] | how_many_runes[1] | hugeterm[1] | mikee_guide[2] | passthebuckrobin[2] | passthebuckrobin[4] | resist_mutation[2] | Ru_challenge[3] | streak[2]
19:59:56 <|amethyst> ??devteam[impossible]
19:59:56 <Sequell> devteam[5/27]: <MarvinPA> sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix <MarvinPA> by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up
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23:59:32 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-531-gacddea6 (34)