00:06:20 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-526-ge70ce1c: Have fungal bloom use only accessible corpses 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e70ce1c81b3b
00:12:42 <gammafunk> right, pushing items from the door is probably the ideal move
00:12:59 <gammafunk> flavor-wise it's even a little better, although I guess that's subjective isn't it
00:13:38 <gammafunk> it sort of does introduce some 'extra' item destruction, I guess
00:13:47 <gammafunk> in some situations where items have to get pushed into deep water
00:14:01 <gammafunk> those would be pretty rare though
00:57:05 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
01:00:00 <travis-ci> The build passed. (door_items - e70ce1c #8992 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/311683178
02:03:58 <TZer0> Scoring seems to be broken on CUE - I don't see my recent games here: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/tzer0.html
02:21:54 <TZer0> Ahh. Okay, I see.
02:23:54 <TZer0> The error is on my end, I'll fix it.
03:05:02 -!- maybe is now known as yesno_
03:10:43 -!- yesno_ is now known as yesno
03:11:42 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-521-g1cd18d1 (34)
03:22:41 <TZer0> Okay, it has been fixed.
05:15:25 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
05:16:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
05:55:06 <TZer0> !tell |amethyst could you check logfile-links and stuff for scoring?
05:55:07 <Sequell> TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
06:58:30 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
12:05:09 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-521-g1cd18d1 (34)
14:09:45 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
16:23:04 <amalloy> how do i get wizmode to make me a scarf of spirit shield?
16:23:44 <amalloy> i can't figure out whether i'm supposed to use ego: or "of", or what the right word(s) to type after that are
16:30:41 <|amethyst> scarf ego:spirit_shield
16:31:04 <|amethyst> if you use a space instead of underscore, it thinks you want a "scarf shield" with the ego "spirit"
16:31:50 <amalloy> i tried that, in fact
16:31:55 <amalloy> Failed to parse: scarf ego:sprit_shield
16:32:09 <|amethyst> you left out an i
16:32:13 <amalloy> fuck me
16:32:17 <|amethyst> btw
16:32:23 <amalloy> i ended up making it successfully through &o
16:32:46 <|amethyst> I think alphashops, instead of "scarf", should have something like "scarf w:5", "scarf ego:spirit_shield w:5"
16:33:02 <amalloy> sounds stupendous
16:33:07 <|amethyst> certainly
16:33:17 <|amethyst> (doh)
16:33:21 <amalloy> i don't know that sibiliance is sufficient
16:33:24 <amalloy> sibilance
16:33:27 <|amethyst> sertainly
16:37:09 <|amethyst> ah, the weights won't work right anyway
16:39:29 <amalloy> TIL "naga barding of speedy slithering" is the proper name for a naga barding of running
16:40:52 <|amethyst> it used to be abbreviated as {sslith} even
16:40:53 <gammafunk> I asked MarvinPA about artefact scarves
16:40:59 <|amethyst> there's a comment about that
16:41:05 <|amethyst> (in armour_ego_name)
16:41:09 <gammafunk> I need to ask him again about that
16:41:22 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: Did you see my question about artefact scarves?
16:41:24 <|amethyst> as in why they don't get scarf egos?
16:41:34 <gammafunk> basically, yeah, what we should do about that
16:41:37 <|amethyst> because they're armour, not jewelry
16:41:55 <gammafunk> Oh I don't mean technically, I mean whether we should allow them to be a thing
16:41:55 <|amethyst> artefact plate (say) doesn't get an ego either
16:41:57 <|amethyst> ah
16:42:11 <gammafunk> just because their whole point is that you get less AC but get special egos
16:42:23 <gammafunk> artefact armour of other types don't really have this aspect
16:42:33 <gammafunk> but yeah you could reasonably argue for the status quo
16:42:38 <|amethyst> well
16:42:44 <gammafunk> I just think changing it one way or the other would be for the best
16:42:48 <|amethyst> I'd rather make the egos into artps
16:42:53 <gammafunk> right
16:43:07 <gammafunk> I mean, I was thinking we could handle them like how we do for jewellery
16:43:17 <|amethyst> we can't
16:43:19 <gammafunk> which I guess would require that (for the scarf egos, at least)
16:43:39 <|amethyst> because jewellery artefacts do have a subtype
16:43:43 <gammafunk> yeah, those are actual sub types
16:43:51 <gammafunk> now we could make scarves have subtypes, no?
16:43:56 <gammafunk> oh they have one
16:44:02 <|amethyst> ARM_SCARF
16:44:06 <gammafunk> fr: subsubtypes!
16:44:22 <gammafunk> but seriously, we could make them always have a valid ego, I think it would require making their egos artp like you said
16:44:36 <gammafunk> we can't make them do that through subtypes though, like you say
16:44:37 <|amethyst> it would be like how art weapons are implemented
16:44:41 <gammafunk> right
16:45:03 <gammafunk> other options is treat scarves like magical staves: no artefact ones
16:45:58 <gammafunk> would an ettin species be able to wear two scarves? I guess it would also have to wear two hats
16:46:40 <|amethyst> btw, why is amulet of guardian spirit still a thing?
16:46:51 <|amethyst> for octopodes and felids?
16:46:54 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.21-a0-522-ga8338f0: Mark scarf of spirit shield useless if you have it innately (/u/ClefAria) 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 16+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8338f09a88a
16:47:04 <gammafunk> |amethyst: well, what about boots of stealth and rings of stealth?
16:47:26 <|amethyst> those are additive at least
16:47:26 <gammafunk> I don't know that an armour having an ego means we can't have a jewel with that ego
16:47:43 <|amethyst> not *armour* specifically
16:47:55 <|amethyst> but scarf egos should IMO be kind of unique
16:48:04 <gammafunk> thing is, "gspirit is both relatively common and one of the best amulets
16:48:11 <gammafunk> I'm a little hesitant about removing that
16:48:19 <gammafunk> scarf of gspirit is a rare item
16:48:32 <amalloy> is it one of the best amulets? there are quite a few good amulets
16:48:38 <|amethyst> scarf could be more common
16:48:44 <gammafunk> you...think gspirit is bad amalloy ?
16:48:56 <gammafunk> "gspirit is definitely in the running for best type of amulet
16:49:27 <gammafunk> there are characters that might not want to use gspirit, but that's true of many types of egos/item types
16:50:01 <amalloy> i mean, it's fine, i'm always a fan of more hp, especially in the late game. i guess there aren't as many amulet types as i thought
16:50:05 <gammafunk> gspirit is good because it's like adding 30-50 mhp, which is better than a couple levels of robust
16:50:21 <gammafunk> well you probably think that "regen is a strong amulet if you think "gspirit isn't very good
16:50:33 <amalloy> i was thinking of like "rage, "faith
16:50:54 <gammafunk> sure, those are quite good, but "gspirit is deffo up there
16:51:25 <gammafunk> but yeah, we don't have a lot of strong amulets, and even if you don't think "gspirit is 'top 3' I don't know of anyone who thinks that gspirit is a weak effect overall
16:52:21 <gammafunk> we could remove it and give some more weight to a few, but we don't have too many types of amulets
16:52:28 <gammafunk> also gourmand is probably not long for this world
16:53:10 <amalloy> "harm is the obvious frontrunner for top amulet
16:53:49 <gammafunk> amalloy really needs to stop giving Lasty his irc password
16:53:54 <gammafunk> this is getting ridiculous
16:57:41 <Henzell> axecop (L8 VpEn) ASSERT(sel.size() == 1) in 'ability.cc' at line 3266 failed. (D:7)
16:58:41 <amalloy> !crashlog
16:58:53 <Sequell> 18185. axecop, XL8 VpEn, T:5021 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/axecop/crash-axecop-20171205-215740.txt
17:01:43 <amalloy> interesting. abil_menu.show managed to select more than one ability?
17:02:11 <amalloy> !lm axecop vpen x=tiles
17:02:12 <Sequell> 11. [2017-12-05 21:57:40] [tiles=false] axecop the Covert (L8 VpEn of Dithmenos) ASSERT(sel.size() == 1) in 'ability.cc' at line 3266 failed on turn 5021. (D:7)
17:04:46 <MarvinPA> gammafunk: i didn't see it before but i do now! i definitely think status quo for scarf artefacts is weird
17:06:07 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: do you have a preference for either of those proposed fixes?
17:06:35 <MarvinPA> not sure, i think either is probably fine
17:07:26 <gammafunk> I would guess that other devs might prefer making them have egos, but I'll have to do some asking
17:07:27 <MarvinPA> i guess i'd vaguely tend towards not generating them? and treating them more like armour than jewellery
17:07:29 <gammafunk> thanks
17:07:51 <gammafunk> yeah, it would certainly be easier and make conceptual sense
17:09:34 <MarvinPA> their egos mostly seem fancier and rarer than jewellery-style stuff, and more similar to rare armour egos like running etc
17:09:41 <MarvinPA> so they stand better alone maybe
17:12:03 <amalloy> who was doing stuff with menus recently? aidanh or advil, i think?
17:12:48 <gammafunk> aidanh has a big PR to rework Tiles UI and I guess menus in general
17:13:08 <amalloy> !tell aidanh you might be interested in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/axecop/crash-axecop-20171205-215740.txt - i gave up on trying to figure out the menuing code, but as i understand it you've been doing stuff with menus recently
17:13:09 <Sequell> amalloy: OK, I'll let aidanh know.
18:17:28 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-522-ga8338f09a8 (34)
19:48:33 <gammafunk> advil: |amethyst: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/7hu9un/im_having_a_strange_problem_with_the_latest/
19:48:40 <gammafunk> make any sense to either of you based on recent changes?
19:48:53 <gammafunk> I guess we have next to no info about what version they're playing
19:54:21 <gammafunk> Also, based on that discussion with MarvinPA, I was going to make scarves not generate as artefact
19:54:24 <gammafunk> s
19:54:47 <gammafunk> So if anyone strongly prefers the other possible approach, where we allow them as artefacts but madate an ego, speak up
19:55:45 <gammafunk> As MarvinPA said their egos are meant to be kind of uniquely special and standalone, so it certainly makes a lot of sense to have them generate only as ordinary items
19:56:13 <gammafunk> Even if many of the current egos don't quite fit that description (and I guess gspirit would be a good example)
19:57:33 <gammafunk> rmsl is a pretty good one; cloud resistance certainly feels special, it's sadly just not very powerful outside of niche situations
20:05:37 <amalloy> gammafunk: +1 to no artefact scarves
20:07:03 <gammafunk> thanks for the upvote
20:09:54 <amalloy> -1 for meta-voting discussion
20:10:46 <gammafunk> I'm flagging this comment as spam
20:17:14 <advil> hm no idea about the repeated keystroke thing
20:18:53 <advil> I've seen crashes like that ability one before (multiple selections in menus that don't allow it) in other menus, but never managed to replicate
21:24:53 <CanOfWorms> hmm, either bots are getting more creative or someone is plagiarizing... a yasd post
21:25:45 <CanOfWorms> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24577 is a copy paste of https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15630
21:25:52 <CanOfWorms> minus the morgue
21:32:48 <amalloy> CanOfWorms: probably a spambot. post something innocuous (because it's the same as something posted three years ago), and then in the future edit it to contain links to some scam site, trying to convince google that reputable sites link to that spam site
21:32:53 <amalloy> or something like that
21:33:14 <CanOfWorms> a cunning strategy...
21:34:28 <amalloy> anyway there's like no way it's a legit post by a real user, so i'd delete it if i had the power
21:37:19 <Yermak> FR: abort amnesia question on 'Esc'.
21:37:41 <Yermak> All other scrolls that work with inventory follow this rule.
21:38:19 <Yermak> Amnesia just leaves spell screen but question remains.
21:42:03 <CanOfWorms> how is it different from aborting a brand weapon scroll?
21:42:49 <CanOfWorms> do you mean change the question to "really abort and waste the scroll?"
21:42:52 <Yermak> Right now I don't have brand weapon in inventory, so can't say for sure. I can say how it is different from enchant armour.
21:43:01 <Yermak> No, I don't.
21:43:03 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms:  if it's known
21:43:13 <Yermak> The use of unidentified scroll is all right.
21:43:19 <CanOfWorms> oh, I see
21:43:42 <amalloy> currently it is different from brand weapon
21:43:55 <amalloy> i agree the existing behaviour for ?amnesia seems weird
21:44:00 <CanOfWorms> I thought Yermak was talking about the case where you haven't identified it yet
21:44:02 <Yermak> It's annoying.
21:44:14 <amalloy> it's "returning" you to the text-based prompt, but it's not actually a prompt you ever even saw
21:44:21 <amalloy> in console, anyway
21:45:03 <Yermak> Sometimes I pondered about what spell to forget, decided to abort and started to doing another thing. As a result I forgot the spell I didn't intend to forget.
21:45:10 <Yermak> This happened more than once.
21:45:19 <Yermak> started doing*
21:49:36 -!- Amnesiac_ is now known as Amnesiac
21:49:52 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
22:00:56 <|amethyst> there's code in cast_selective_amnesia that's supposed to handle that
22:01:35 <|amethyst> but it looks like list_spells returns 0, not -1 or ESC, on an empty selection
22:02:28 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
22:02:48 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan
22:16:15 <Yermak> Interesting, is there a reason for slime walls to not be able to explode with radius 2?
22:16:30 <Yermak> Metal walls also always explode with radius 1.
22:38:14 <amalloy> i guess they're too slimy? like how slimes are strong against shatter
22:38:23 <amalloy> but this is not a very compelling argument
23:22:22 <Yermak> I'm just curious. They're rock walls in every other aspect: diggable, can be passwalled.
23:22:57 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L4 DsAK)  (D:2)
23:59:38 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-522-ga8338f0 (34)