00:03:31 <advil> hm, yeah, looks like something was cached in my build
00:06:20 <advil> I think this is something that running configure would deal with
00:07:47 <advil> gammafunk: did you say you didn't regenerate the Makefile when you updated?  what's the right way to do that?
00:13:21 <advil> when I just run configure the result doesn't work in the crawl build, and I'm assuming that's not what one would want to check in anyways
00:13:36 <gammafunk> advil: yeah, I'm not super sure to be honest, since the makefile you get from autoconf is pretty weird
00:13:59 <gammafunk> I'm not sure how grunt made his makefile, if he took the autoconf one and just removed sections or what
00:18:56 <advil> with that fix it does now build for me (assuming I'm not missing some other way in which something is cached, still not sure how this one slipped by)
00:20:20 <gammafunk> cool
00:20:34 <gammafunk> I can commit it later if you don't have the time, otherwise feel free
00:21:37 <advil> I just made the change, I think
00:24:21 <advil> gammafunk: also, did you see the discussion earlier about sdl2_image?
00:24:31 <gammafunk> no I did not
00:24:48 <gammafunk> is there a problem?
00:25:01 <gammafunk> advil: if you updated the contrib, you need to make a commit to crawl trunk with the submodule update
00:26:14 <advil> the particular report was about android building but I'm a little surprised it doesn't have more impact; I guess there's some potential issues with using an older version of sdl2_image with the newer sdl2
00:26:18 <gammafunk> as in something like `git add contribs/sdl2 ; git commit ...'
00:26:23 <gammafunk> ah, I wondered about that
00:26:34 <gammafunk> our androis sdl port is really in a nonworking state though
00:26:50 <gammafunk> well, I didn't add grunt's high dpi commit and I'm not sure it will even compile without that?
00:26:57 <gammafunk> we just don't have a way to test this
00:27:08 <gammafunk> I was going to update each of the contribs but I was a little hesitant
00:27:32 <gammafunk> since as this sdl2 update showed we don't actually know how to properly update the makefiles for these contribs
00:27:39 <gammafunk> but I could look into trying to do that at some point
00:27:46 <gammafunk> for sdl2_image and sdl2_mixer
00:28:08 <gammafunk> just wish we had a plan for updating those makefiles
00:28:43 <gammafunk> it's possible to have weirdness happen without any compilation errors due to things not getting build with the define values they should have, for instance
00:30:00 <Cheibriados> Monsters with reaching attack are extremely dumb around shallow water. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11312 by Yermak
00:30:33 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-519-gb765982: Update sdl2 submodule with Makefile fix 10(57 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b765982689f4
00:33:22 <advil> I guess grunt is fairly gone
00:33:47 <wheals_> rip
00:33:56 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
00:39:42 <Yermak> FR: print better message when mushroom dies by depleting its 'charges' instead of "Your wandering mushroom is destroyed!".
00:40:14 <gammafunk> fr: wand of mushroom
00:45:03 <geekosaur> 'runs out of spores and its fruiting body collapses'
00:46:03 <geekosaur> opssibly omit the first part if you;re willing to admit lots of user questions about mycelia >.>
00:46:23 <hellmonk> fr: remove the insane, incomprehensible hd loss gimmick, reduce their hd, and swap the order of sunlight and evolution
00:49:13 <nikheizen> yeah
00:49:39 <nikheizen> sunlight can probably go it's weird
01:17:14 <minmay> what if mushrooms couldn't use stairs
01:17:39 <minmay> and/or didn't regenerate
01:19:28 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-519-gb765982 (34)
01:26:48 <ProzacElf> make mushrooms freeze in sight of stairs
01:26:52 <ProzacElf> they're scared of them!
01:33:37 <amalloy> |amethyst: tried atc. not bad
01:38:18 <amalloy> landed 12 planes my first game and then suddenly there were like 6 new planes all at once and i was in over my head
01:58:10 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-519-gb765982
02:53:29 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-519-gb765982
03:11:41 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-519-gb765982 (34)
03:56:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:08:14 <aagocs> Hello
06:14:22 <aagocs> I found a bug in the trunk crawl_tiles-0.21-a0-519-gb765982.zip. I play a Gnoll and in the UI on the right side I set the skills to train (I know it's dirty). I accidentally maxed dodge while it was the only skill trained so it gave me the training page which is disabled to use for Gnolls. So the game crashed after that. I feel like this should go in the bug reports but I don't want to sign up there.
06:29:56 <nikheizen> good find
12:05:19 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-519-gb765982 (34)
13:54:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:29:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
16:21:15 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-520-g34ea15e: Add some ASSERTs in case gnolls somehow get skills disabled (aagocs) 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34ea15e375ac
16:21:15 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-521-g1cd18d1: Don't let Gn change their training settings in tiles (aagocs) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1cd18d1148fc
16:52:36 -!- KamiKatze_ is now known as KamiKatze
17:24:53 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus
18:12:08 <gammafunk> that was a good bug
18:17:19 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-521-g1cd18d1148 (34)
18:55:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:56:38 -!- Thorbinator_ is now known as Thorbinator
21:06:17 <Cheibriados> New branch created: door_items (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/door_items
21:06:17 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-520-gce7e4b9: Render items under closed doors better 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce7e4b9f1f8e
21:06:17 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-521-gcc6bc13: Allow closing doors on items (rumflump) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc6bc1301a7c
21:10:28 <neizenel> offline tiles seems to get a lot of fun bugs like that
21:24:04 <|amethyst> they kind of do their own thing rather than interacting with the main input loop
21:24:24 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-522-gbe1389a: Don't count closed door tiles as visible for items 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be1389addcf1
21:24:37 <advil> yeah, and that's a case where there's no functional API
21:24:46 <advil> everyone's just accessing the data structure directly
21:29:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-520-gfb5ded9: Render items under closed doors better 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb5ded954863
21:29:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-521-g7061063: Allow closing doors on items (rumflump) 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7061063f9ebf
21:29:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-522-g3494cc5: Don't count closed door tiles as visible for items 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3494cc5a5e0b
21:35:54 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (door_items - cc6bc13 #8984 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/311637413
21:43:13 <gammafunk> oh cool
21:43:48 <gammafunk> weren't we worried about various kinds of issues if we allowed that?
21:47:00 <advil> I looked back through -dev discussions that I could find and didn't spot anything major, but I might have missed something
21:48:02 <gammafunk> yeah, I recall |amethyst commenting that code assumes that items don't lie in solid features
21:48:29 <Pacra> heyo
21:48:31 <advil> yeah, you'd think that, but it seems to work
21:48:31 <|amethyst> possibly it's just an assertion tht needs to be removed
21:48:42 <advil> I haven't yet found any asserts about that
21:48:45 <gammafunk> will be cool if it works
21:48:51 <Pacra> i have a quick ttrtail/ttyrec question :]
21:48:55 <gammafunk> go for it Pacra
21:49:06 <advil> (in fact you can easily put items in walls in wizmode and that seems to work too)
21:49:17 <|amethyst> cool
21:49:19 <gammafunk> but this is a player buff, advil
21:49:24 <gammafunk> now you must implement a player nerf
21:49:40 <|amethyst> allow dropping items *only* in doorways
21:49:41 <Pacra> compiled both just fine and can connect to termcast.shalott.org fine -
21:49:56 <gammafunk> |amethyst gets it
21:49:56 <Floodkiller> items underneath closed doors are subject to item destruction rules
21:50:10 <Floodkiller> also closing a door can malmutate you
21:50:20 <Pacra> but ttrtail won't automatically place a new viewable session available on termcast, as I had remembered from about 5 yrs ago
21:51:15 <gammafunk> oh
21:51:21 <gammafunk> |amethyst: is this the repo we wanted? https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_termcast
21:51:29 <gammafunk> I had to google 'ttrtail'
21:51:43 <|amethyst> I dunno, have never used it
21:51:51 <Pacra> http://noway.ratry.ru/jsn/ttrtail.c
21:52:06 <Pacra> hm, maybe elliptic will remember
21:52:23 <Pacra> its been quite a few years
21:52:27 <gammafunk> yeah I don't even know what ttrtail does
21:52:42 <Pacra> cbus had a how-to a long time ago, that is no longer hosted
21:52:52 <gammafunk> Pacra: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_termcast/blob/master/provider/ttrtail.c
21:52:55 <gammafunk> is what I found
21:53:05 <gammafunk> from said google search
21:53:07 <Pacra> yep thats the same
21:53:10 <gammafunk> oh ok
21:53:35 <Pacra> ttrtail will connect to a termcast server and scan for a newly created ttyrec file via ttyrec
21:53:54 <Pacra> once it finds one, it will stream the current ttyrec created to the termcast server
21:54:47 <gammafunk> I didn't know that termcast.shalott.org had a streaming service
21:55:08 <Pacra> everything works so far except it is forgetting to actually make a new session called "pacra"
21:55:08 <gammafunk> thought it was only hooked up to stream dcss ttyrecs from servers
21:55:33 <gammafunk> you might want to email greensnark about it
21:55:46 <gammafunk> or yeah, maybe elliptic or someone who's done it may remember
21:56:08 <gammafunk> sorry, I've not don't a ttyrec stream before
21:57:38 <Pacra> np np it was a long shot
21:58:16 <advil> hm should ijyb generate with a wand she won't use?
21:58:16 <Pacra> I thought that ttrtail was implemented in termcast server source
21:58:22 <Pacra> ah it is
21:58:42 <gammafunk> yeah, it's in the 'provider' directory
21:58:48 <Pacra> termcast source dive time
21:58:55 <gammafunk> I assume that repo is the repo of footv, but I haven't looked at it at all
21:59:32 <Pacra> I'm pretty sure that footv is outside of the vanilla source
21:59:35 <Pacra> http://noway.ratry.ru/jsn/termcast/tv.txt
21:59:49 <Pacra> ah well i'll fuddle around till something happens!
22:02:38 <Pacra> aha! got it
22:03:04 <Cheibriados> New branch created: randeffects_malmutate (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/randeffects_malmutate
22:03:04 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[randeffects_malmutate] * 0.21-a0-520-g1f5edcc: Add malmutate to random effects 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 21+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f5edcc27ac1
22:03:21 <advil> that might be a bad idea (hence the branch)
22:03:24 <advil> oh whoops
22:04:05 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[randeffects_malmutate] * 0.21-a0-520-gb8ae793: Add malmutate to random effects (|amethyst) 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 21+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8ae79361bcb
22:04:15 <advil> gotta give proper credit ;-)
22:05:06 <Pacra> gammafunk: https://termcast.shalott.org/tv/
22:06:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
22:08:08 <advil> |amethyst: btw do you remember there being a discussion about any specific asserts involving items in solid features?
22:08:13 <gammafunk> Pacra: cool
22:08:16 <gammafunk> uh
22:08:25 <gammafunk> this doesn't look very good though
22:08:33 <Pacra> no, it assuredly does not
22:08:38 <gammafunk> I guess it's sort of working
22:08:58 <Pacra> I'll need to play with some terminal settings or config file
22:09:02 <Pacra> quite ugly atm
22:09:21 <gammafunk> it seems to flash...frequently
22:09:30 <gammafunk> when you go into inventory or something
22:09:32 <Pacra> im going too fast
22:09:38 <Pacra> adom flashes
22:09:41 <Pacra> as a "feature"
22:09:47 <gammafunk> excellent
22:10:47 <gammafunk> advil: It's not going to have much effect, but I guess it doesn't cause much harm either
22:10:55 <gammafunk> hrm, I guess the big deal is the wand vs players
22:10:59 <gammafunk> that is sort of cute I suppose
22:11:05 <advil> I don't think anything uses it against players?
22:11:11 <advil> I was a little hazy though
22:11:15 <gammafunk> oh, monsters don't use the wand vs players?
22:11:26 <advil> mainly I couldn't get ijyb to use it so I concluded it's impossible :)
22:11:27 <gammafunk> I guess that would make sense
22:11:38 <gammafunk> yeah in that case, it's not going to have too much relevance
22:11:46 <gammafunk> just a cute flavor thing for the most part
22:11:49 <advil> yeah
22:13:42 <advil> hmm, in 2014 |amethyst made an aesthetic argument against items in doors
22:14:45 <advil> 11:43:48 <|amethyst> also, if you can have a dragon corpse on the same tile as a door, why can't dragons walk through closed doors?
22:16:42 <gammafunk> it is a little weird, isn't it
22:16:49 <gammafunk> closing a door on a dragon corpse
22:23:01 <hellmonk> well sometimes they just vanish into thin air when they die I guess
22:23:08 <hellmonk> since they only leave a corpse 50% of the time
22:25:44 <travis-ci> The build passed. (door_items - 3494cc5 #8986 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/311643314
23:06:42 <advil> huh, merfolk can't apport from deep water
23:08:01 <travis-ci> The build passed. (randeffects_malmutate - b8ae793 #8988 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/311653165
23:15:19 <advil> !source message.cc:1823
23:15:19 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#L1823
23:22:30 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-523-g534e874: Fix a fallthrough 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/534e874af8df
23:22:30 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-524-g70c0deb: Rework visibility under doors and handle apport 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 23+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70c0debf8539
23:24:17 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-524-g1c2f3f6: Rework visibility under doors and handle apport 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 22+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c2f3f6a435a
23:26:48 <advil> from the old discussion it looks like there used to be some problem with corpse decay, but so far that doesn't seem to cause any problems now
23:29:39 <geekosaur> I think corpse decay has gotten a couple reworks
23:30:55 <advil> oh it's corpse *rot*
23:32:18 * geekosaur wonders offhand if it involved toadstools
23:32:55 <geekosaur> (now imagining a door with a toadstool randomly growing out of it)
23:38:48 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[door_items] * 0.21-a0-525-gd7f52c4: Have corpse rot only use accessible corpses 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d7f52c4ce1eb
23:43:24 <advil> |amethyst: you were actually pretty against this in 2014, do you still hate it?
23:53:36 <|amethyst> advil:  not so much
23:53:52 <|amethyst> I'd rather see items being pushed away when you close the door
23:54:03 <|amethyst> but that's almost certainly more error-prone
23:55:08 <advil> well, the pushing code is all still there from wardens
23:55:17 <advil> this does seem simpler at the moment
23:59:59 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-521-g1cd18d1 (34)