00:06:17 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
00:09:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
00:52:30 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
02:45:45 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-440-g28109cb
08:13:57 <Henzell> flinch (L13 NaIE) ERROR: range check error (93 / 70) (D:9)
09:06:37 <advil> !crashlog
09:06:49 <Sequell> 18071. flinch, XL13 NaIE, T:23158 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/flinch/crash-flinch-20171111-131357.txt
10:28:34 -!- KamiKatze_ is now known as KamiKatze
12:59:12 <gammafunk> allan's talk at the San Francisco roguelike celebration will be coming up in about 30 min, streamed here for those interested: https://go.twitch.tv/roguelike_con
13:00:21 <gammafunk> *alan
13:04:00 <gammafunk> someone is talking about usenet and roguelike definitions, look out
13:10:18 <johnstein> I already solved roguelike definitions years ago. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lbDji27fSMhVNShM0oj23iTVjp-FZDAKYHhj4ng7f8c/edit#gid=0
13:10:18 <Sequell> johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:10:50 <johnstein> I determined that crawl was 105% roguelike (where rogue was 100% roguelike)
13:11:01 <johnstein> I used SCIENCE
13:11:33 <johnstein> ??rebuild
13:11:33 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
13:24:38 <Rotatell> Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 5.1-84-g6121e92
13:34:11 <gammafunk> !tell amalloy You used a screenshot of me playing a sif ogre <3
13:34:12 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let amalloy know.
13:42:00 <johnstein> nah, it's SEE-KWULL
13:42:51 <johnstein> er. SEE-kwull
13:43:19 <Adeon> are there many if you at the event
13:43:23 <Adeon> or watching
13:50:15 <advil> yeah that pronunciation of sequell is weird
13:53:02 <advil> fr automatic save backup on crash
13:54:46 <johnstein> hah
13:54:49 <advil> haha someone just asked about the pronunciation
14:06:09 <gammafunk> I always call it see-kwull as well
14:06:23 <gammafunk> Nice talk amalloy_
14:06:33 <advil> yeah, nice job
14:06:55 <advil> weird to actually know what a fellow dev looks like
14:07:02 <Jm2c1> PogChamp //
14:07:23 <advil> also, yeah, I don't understand twitch chat conventions
14:07:26 <gammafunk> advil: well you have your own picture on your github profile!
14:07:41 <advil> true!
14:07:47 <Adeon> that was a good talk
14:08:01 <Adeon> I was worried there would be no jabs at nethack
14:17:31 <slitherrr> what's the lm type for death?
14:17:50 <advil> !lg slitherrr s=ktyp
14:17:51 <Sequell> 708 games for slitherrr: 432x mon, 173x beam, 49x pois, 31x winning, 6x cloud, 4x leaving, 3x disintegration, 3x acid, 2x wild magic, quitting, spore, draining, rolling, trap
14:17:55 <gammafunk> deaths aren't milestones
14:17:59 <gammafunk> unless they are felid deaths
14:18:04 <gammafunk> deaths go in the logfile
14:18:04 <slitherrr> ah interesting
14:18:07 <gammafunk> so you use lg
14:18:22 <advil> yeah
14:18:31 <advil> well, technically lm can look at game milestones too
14:18:48 <advil> er
14:18:51 <advil> game fields
14:19:06 <gammafunk> yes, and you can cross-query to the logfile entry
14:19:16 <gammafunk> so you can condition a milestone query on how the game ended essentially
14:19:23 <slitherrr> so more generally, i'm trying to calculate branch enter to deaths in that branch. so it'd be type=begin place=branchname for the general classifier, and then an lg= query for the ratio specifier?
14:19:29 <gammafunk> and there are other tricks you can do to link the two commands using subqueries
14:19:47 <gammafunk> it would be like this
14:19:52 <gammafunk> I'll limit to a few branches
14:20:00 <slitherrr> let's say, shoals
14:20:12 <slitherrr> or all s branches even, since the talk just made me curious
14:20:12 <gammafunk> !lm * recent br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
14:20:44 <slitherrr> ok, that makes sense
14:20:53 <gammafunk> group results by branch (s=br), order by the ratio (o=%) and make the result a ratio of games where the game ended in the branch of the noun of the milestone ( / lg:br=$noun)
14:20:54 <slitherrr> $noun is a backreference then
14:21:06 <slitherrr> gotcha
14:21:10 <gammafunk> yeah, not even a backreference per se
14:21:23 <advil> !lm
14:21:25 <gammafunk> it's just one query that is a ratio query, and noun is defined as a var since it's a field from the milestone
14:21:34 <advil> wonder if that talk caused people to hammer Sequell
14:21:41 <gammafunk> my query is long and might time out depending on how sequell is doing
14:21:43 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * recent br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
14:21:45 <Sequell> 7288. [2017-11-07 22:41:54] advil the Arsonist (L9 HOFE) ASSERT(!crawl state.prev cmd keys.empty()) in 'main.cc' at line 3531 failed on turn 11845. (D:6)
14:21:50 <gammafunk> yeah so you could further limit it
14:22:01 <gammafunk> !lm * current trunk br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
14:22:19 <gammafunk> and sometimes you can just retry a query and due to caching it will go through quickly the second time, it depends
14:22:24 <gammafunk> but that's the direct way to do the query
14:22:25 <slitherrr> !lm . br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br / lg:br=$noun
14:22:56 <slitherrr> chug chug chug
14:23:06 <gammafunk> yeah I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of queries are happening, but it'll probably pass soon
14:23:31 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * current trunk br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
14:23:41 <slitherrr> MURDERER
14:23:57 <slitherrr> need a task queue
14:24:16 <slitherrr> and some unit of work breakdown
14:24:23 <slitherrr> and a giant autoscaling query farm
14:24:49 <gammafunk> sequell is asynchronous, which is about all we can ask for really
14:25:01 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm . br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br / lg:br=$noun
14:25:14 <gammafunk> !lg
14:25:21 <gammafunk> that is already slower than usual
14:25:25 <Sequell> 776. gammafunk the Phalangite (L27 MfAM of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2017-06-11 12:18:36, with 1538107 points after 84750 turns and 5:42:55.
14:25:36 <gammafunk> so if you tried this milestone query at another time it would probably work
14:25:56 <johnstein> agreed, nice talk amalloy_ !
14:26:03 <johnstein> maybe we'll get a Single Sign On Wizard
14:26:21 <gammafunk> a Single Sign On Sorcerer?
14:28:19 <advil> !lm * recent br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br.enter / lg:br=$noun
14:28:30 <Sequell> 28334/130417 milestones for * (recent br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake): 7162/34946x Swamp [20.49%], 7113/33112x Snake [21.48%], 7109/30002x Shoals [23.70%], 6950/32358x Spider [21.48%]
14:28:42 <slitherrr> !lm . br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br / lg:br=$noun
14:28:47 <advil> finally works
14:28:52 <Sequell> 31/218 milestones for slitherrr (br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake): 11/73x Swamp [15.07%], 8/47x Snake [17.02%], 6/39x Shoals [15.38%], 6/57x Spider [10.53%], 0/2x Lair [0.00%]
14:29:10 <slitherrr> i die more in snake than shoals. take THAT
14:30:14 <Jm2c1> !lm . br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br / lg:br=$noun
14:30:15 <Sequell> No milestones for Jm2c1 (br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake).
14:30:30 <Jm2c1> Never died in any lair branch
14:30:32 <Jm2c1> how's that
14:30:34 <gammafunk> nope
14:30:37 <gammafunk> look at your nick
14:30:40 <Jm2c1> oh
14:30:41 <Jm2c1> derp
14:30:44 -!- Jm2c1 is now known as Jm2c
14:30:51 <Jm2c> !lm . br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake s=br / lg:br=$noun
14:31:07 <Sequell> 1/21 milestones for Jm2c (br.enter=shoals|spider|swamp|snake): 1/5x Shoals [20.00%], 0/5x Spider [0.00%], 0/5x Snake [0.00%], 0/6x Swamp [0.00%]
14:31:11 <Jm2c> yeah that sounds more like it
14:31:22 <Jm2c> close though
14:32:03 <gammafunk> !cmd -rm labs
14:32:04 <Sequell> Deleted command: !labs => !lm ${1:-.} $* br.enter=lab s=place title:"Labs seen by ${1:-$nick}"
14:32:12 <gammafunk> elliptic made that command to make fun of me
14:32:40 <Jm2c> !lg . br=shoals
14:32:40 <Sequell> 1. Jm2c the Bludgeoner (L16 HOMo of Nemelex Xobeh), quit the game on Shoals:1 on 2017-10-24 22:40:27, with 98513 points after 38258 turns and 7:08:29.
14:32:42 <Jm2c> oh
14:32:43 <elliptic> wow deleting my expertly crafted commands
14:32:44 <Jm2c> that was a quit
14:32:46 <Jm2c> damn it
14:32:56 <Jm2c> Should've left shoals first!
14:32:57 <gammafunk> elliptic: did you see your streak in alan's talk?
14:33:00 <elliptic> no
14:33:11 <Jm2c> you're a twitch celebrity now
14:33:12 <gammafunk> it was an example of social online gaming
14:35:39 <elliptic> I found the slide
14:35:51 <elliptic> I gather I'm supposed to "show off to my friends"?
14:36:18 <elliptic> will have to work on that
14:38:48 <gammafunk> elliptic: it's even the CAO listing, so it's a longer streak
14:38:55 <gammafunk> this will be even more impressive to your friends
14:39:00 <elliptic> yes
14:39:47 <gammafunk> should have just listed all of elliptic's word combo wins, something he's actually proud of
14:40:01 <elliptic> !won . word
14:40:04 <Sequell> elliptic (word) has won 42 times in 98 games (42.86%): 3xMuCK 3xTeAr 2xDESk 2xGhEE 2xHEHe 2xHuSk 2xOpEn 2xSpAs 1xDEAr 1xDECK 1xDEMo 1xDrAM 1xFeAr 1xGrAM 1xHEAr 1xHECK 1xHEWn 1xHOAr 1xHOCK 1xHaCK 1xHuCK 1xMiEn 1xMiNe 1xMuSk 1xSpAM 1xSpAr 1xTeAK 1xTeAM 1xTeAs 1xTeEn 1xTrAM 1xTrEE
14:40:08 <elliptic> it's shorter though
14:40:31 <gammafunk> wow, hehe is a word
14:41:44 <Jm2c> FR: add species and backgrounds so I can also play HaHa, HOHo, and HiHi
14:41:50 <elliptic> also is that actually up to date, I think not
14:41:59 <elliptic> !lg . babe won
14:42:00 <Sequell> 1. elliptic the Conqueror (L27 BaBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2017-03-22 16:01:37, with 1783943 points after 68389 turns and 4:09:08.
14:42:09 <gammafunk> ah
14:42:17 <gammafunk> did Gn get us some as well?
14:42:27 <gammafunk> !makewords gn
14:42:33 <gammafunk> !kw word
14:42:34 <Sequell> Keyword: word => char=dear|deck|demo|desk|dram|fear|feck|foam|ghee|gram|hack|hear|heck|hehe|hewn|hoar|hock|homo|hone|huck|husk|mien|mine|muck|musk|open|spam|spar|spas|teak|team|tear|teas|teen|tram|tree|trie
14:42:42 <Sequell> gnAE gnAK gnAM gnAr gnAs gnBe gnCK gnCj gnEE gnEn gnFE gnFi gnGl gnHu gnIE gnMo gnNe gnSk gnSu gnTm gnVM gnWn gnWr gnWz
14:46:41 <Cheibriados> Pikel's slaves got paralyzed by Uska after Pikel died. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11278 by Yermak
16:22:56 <|amethyst> 'gnar' looks like the only one
16:22:56 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:23:42 <|amethyst> clearly need to rename 'skald' to 'arcane warrior'
16:24:06 <|amethyst> !makewords -- aw
16:24:20 <Sequell> --AE --AK --AM --Ar --As --Be --CK --Cj --EE --En --FE --Fi --Gl --Hu --IE --Mo --Ne --Sk --Su --Tm --VM --Wn --Wr --Wz
16:24:26 <|amethyst> hm
16:24:31 <|amethyst> !makewords --aw
16:24:43 <|amethyst> !command makewords
16:24:45 <Sequell> --awAE --awAK --awAM --awAr --awAs --awBe --awCK --awCj --awEE --awEn --awFE --awFi --awGl --awHu --awIE --awMo --awNe --awSk --awSu --awTm --awVM --awWn --awWr --awWz
16:24:46 <Jm2c> gnarly
16:25:22 <|amethyst> Jm2c:  in fact, yes, it's related :)
16:44:50 <gammafunk> !clswords aw
16:45:05 <Sequell> Baaw Ceaw DDaw DEaw Dgaw Draw Dsaw Feaw Foaw Ghaw Gnaw Graw HOaw Haaw Huaw Koaw Mfaw Miaw Muaw Naaw Ogaw Opaw Spaw Teaw Traw VSaw Vpaw
16:45:11 <gammafunk> !clswords AW
16:45:25 <Sequell> BaAW CeAW DDAW DEAW DgAW DrAW DsAW FeAW FoAW GhAW GnAW GrAW HOAW HaAW HuAW KoAW MfAW MiAW MuAW NaAW OgAW OpAW SpAW TeAW TrAW VSAW VpAW
16:45:39 <gammafunk> !cmd makewords
16:45:39 <Sequell> Command: !makewords => .echo $(map (fn (p) (.echo ${1}${p})) (sort (map (fn (c) (replace "??" (!ftw $c))) (split "|" (!lg * playable current trunk s=cls join:"|" fmt:"${.}")))))
16:46:09 <gammafunk> !rng @jobs
16:46:10 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: @jobs.
16:46:12 <gammafunk> !rng @job
16:46:12 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: @job.
16:46:15 <gammafunk> !rng @class
16:46:15 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: @class.
16:46:18 <gammafunk> !rng @role
16:46:18 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: Fighter.
16:46:30 <gammafunk> !echo @role
16:46:30 <Sequell> @role
16:46:38 <gammafunk> wonder if there's a way to expand that
16:47:12 <gammafunk> !cmd rng
16:47:12 <Sequell> Built-in: !rng => https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/commands/rng.pl
16:47:44 <gammafunk> looks specific to that command
16:56:48 <|amethyst> I guess "Wizard" -> "Arcane Librarian" would be better for word counts
17:03:58 <|amethyst> alsp "Vampire" -> "Blood"
17:04:02 <|amethyst> s/sp/so/
17:04:09 <|amethyst> and "Vine Stalker" -> "Vine"
20:20:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:23:33 <amalloy> heh, thanks for the support, guys. i'm glad my talk was received well
20:23:33 <Sequell> amalloy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
20:29:27 <gammafunk> my wand stacking code compiled the first time, is this roguelike celebration luck?
20:29:54 <hellmonk> why didn't you just steal the implementation from DCSS-CA
20:30:44 <gammafunk> hrm?
20:30:49 <gammafunk> why would I do that
20:30:56 <gammafunk> basically guaranteed to be more work
20:31:01 <hellmonk> stealing code is good fam
20:31:09 <gammafunk> no
20:31:14 <gammafunk> having good code is good
20:31:56 <gammafunk> oh good it even worked the first time as well
20:36:24 <amalloy> or so you think...
20:36:32 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-441-g6e1775c: Better handle fractional advances in font glyphs in tiles 10(38 minutes ago, 11 files, 187+ 55-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e1775c00250
20:36:32 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-442-g848f44b: Try a little harder to fit the whole tab region in a row 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/848f44b3bcff
20:36:40 <gammafunk> well I do have to remove wand charge limits
20:36:40 <gammafunk> but that's no biggie
20:36:48 <gammafunk> and I see that pakellas supercharge code still exists
20:36:56 <gammafunk> I guess it has to until we break save compat
20:37:02 <advil> that fractional font bug was brutal
20:37:03 <gammafunk> well it doesn't really have to does it
20:37:15 <gammafunk> yeah I saw you and aidanh discussing all that
20:37:24 <gammafunk> not an area I understand much
20:37:43 <advil> it took me forever to even figure out the bug was, given the knowledge that it was retina-specific
20:38:07 <advil> and then it was a case that whoever wrote the ui code had *really* not considered
20:38:46 <advil> (not that I blame them, who in 2005 would expect that a glyph could reasonably be 9.5 pixels wide)
20:39:21 <gammafunk> oh
20:39:41 <gammafunk> fonts use advances that are fractional relative to logical pixels
20:39:46 <advil> yeah
20:39:55 <gammafunk> hrm, now why would they do this?
20:40:03 <advil> heh
20:40:15 <advil> it does look good
20:40:40 <gammafunk> I guess I just don't understand what that exactly means
20:40:45 <advil> the whole glyph is rendering in device pixels
20:40:59 <advil> not logical pixels
20:41:12 <gammafunk> ah ok
20:41:52 <gammafunk> unrelated, but in case anyone has opinions on this since some people are here
20:41:52 <advil> what was happening was that the stat font at default settings had a glyph width of 19 device pixels
20:59:29 <advil> is there a missing message?
21:01:05 <gammafunk> no, I got distracted by other code, sorry
21:01:23 <gammafunk> but my plan is to make wands merge charges into wands of the same type when picked up, removing the picked up wand
21:01:34 <gammafunk> and to remove the charge cap, and to remove scrolls of recharging
21:01:40 <gammafunk> and to remove wand charge identification
21:01:57 <gammafunk> that last one is after we tried to consider how you might still have wand charge identification with wand charge merging
21:02:19 <gammafunk> but there really were no ways we could see to do that
21:02:23 <gammafunk> so a bit of the id game is lost
21:03:34 <gammafunk> for scrolls of recharging, there's probably no compelling reason to keep it since wand charges are pretty plentiful already, and now players will effectively be able to carry more wand charges in total
21:04:09 <gammafunk> additionally I'll probably remove at least one hex wand, but that's a different issue I'll tackle after this code is all finished
21:04:43 <gammafunk> on the technical side, there's pakellas wand recharging
21:05:37 <gammafunk> letting that recharge wands indefinitely might be quite weird, but it does cost piety
21:05:40 <gammafunk> maybe it's no problem
21:05:59 <gammafunk> and obviously this only affects the few games where players are worshiping pakellas
21:06:26 <advil> in principle they could do the same thing if they wanted to pick up & carry every wand they found
21:06:46 <advil> well, not quite the same thing I guess
21:06:48 <gammafunk> yeah, only limited by inventory
21:41:09 <amalloy> fyi the number of attendees who complained about mountain dwarf removal during the break was nonzero
21:41:44 <amalloy> keeping the meme alive
21:41:49 <hellmonk> dank
21:42:04 <gammafunk> tell them we removed high elves as well
21:42:17 <hellmonk> imo remove the noheal mut from deep dwarf and rename to mountain dwarf and then remove them
21:42:40 <amalloy> that was my response, gammafunk
21:42:59 <gammafunk> doing god's work
23:59:35 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-442-g848f44b (34)