00:21:59 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-434-g806c6c2 (34)
01:20:21 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-434-g806c6c2 (34)
01:58:22 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-434-g806c6c2
02:27:43 <rchandra> You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@
02:30:04 <amalloy> a classic
02:54:25 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-434-g806c6c2
03:19:05 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-434-g806c6c2 (34)
04:46:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
04:50:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
06:29:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:25:19 <gammafunk> advil: do you see any reason why it would be a problem to retain focused state when setting skill targets?
09:25:44 <gammafunk> so if I set a target on a skill but already had its training focused, it doesn't then set the state to unfocused (which is current behaviour)
09:26:24 <gammafunk> (if you change this, Shaded Knight made the suggestion)
09:27:16 <advil> I'm not seeing setting a training target changing what's focused
09:27:30 <advil> it shouldn't, in any case
09:27:40 <advil> is there some extra condition to replicate?
09:28:23 <gammafunk> advil: I just tested myself
09:28:36 <gammafunk> set polearms to focused
09:28:46 <advil> this is what I'm doing :)
09:28:57 <gammafunk> yes I'm describing my steps
09:29:01 <gammafunk> make sure that training target is empty
09:29:15 <gammafunk> i -> [slot]
09:29:21 <advil> oh from inventory
09:29:29 <gammafunk> then s
09:29:38 <gammafunk> yeah sorry, I should have specified that
09:29:46 <gammafunk> this is from the s key from the item
09:29:55 <advil> yeah, that's a bug
09:30:15 <advil> from m it doesn't change focusing
09:30:15 <gammafunk> yeah seemed so, just wanted to make sure
09:30:17 <gammafunk> if you fix, Shaded Knight is the reporter
09:30:20 <advil> heh
09:30:24 <gammafunk> if not, I can look at it in a bit
09:30:26 <advil> I like how you had to say that twice
09:30:51 <gammafunk> say what, who gets reporting credit?
09:30:57 <gammafunk> Just wasn't sure what all you had read
09:31:11 <advil> yeah...he's the one who emailed me that one time before when you passed on a bug report
09:31:25 <gammafunk> oh, I didn't realize
09:31:31 <gammafunk> he just told me in Discord
09:31:47 <advil> yeah that's what happened before, and I credited you
09:31:54 <gammafunk> oh I got you, haha
09:31:56 <gammafunk> yeah I remember that
09:32:03 <gammafunk> this time I *guess* we can give him credit
09:32:10 <gammafunk> we could credit me again and I could gloat if you prefer
09:32:14 <gammafunk> I'm fine either way
09:32:32 <advil> heh
09:33:56 <gammafunk> he also found an amusing pitsprint bug: https://puu.sh/yh6il/779419cec6.png
09:34:04 <gammafunk> apparently some items are generating exits instead
09:35:05 <advil> for that one mpa scooped him
09:35:12 <advil> !bug 10954
09:35:13 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10954
09:35:35 <advil> well, escu reported it to mpa
09:36:30 <gammafunk> interesting
09:36:42 <gammafunk> I was going on the assumption that there would be a fairly obvious des syntax bug
09:36:55 <gammafunk> I should take a look, maybe there is and it's subtle
09:37:07 <advil> it's weird that it would be hard to replicate
09:37:16 <gammafunk> oh, I see
09:37:21 <gammafunk> so it's using the normal stair glyphs for items
09:37:32 <gammafunk> but somehow that's not being respected at times
09:44:39 <gammafunk> %git 09bcfd32e3
09:44:39 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-792-g09bcfd3: Remove Divinations, again 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09bcfd32e355
09:46:32 <gammafunk> hrm
09:46:39 <gammafunk> my 0.20 doesn't seem to want to load that save
09:56:53 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-435-g5164969: Retain skill focusing when setting a target from inv (Shaded Knight) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/51649693db83
09:57:01 <gammafunk> yep, I even tried the exact version reported in the save
09:57:01 <gammafunk> just takes me to the sprint selection screen
09:57:22 <advil> also, shaded knight's name is too long
09:58:18 <gammafunk> yep
10:13:54 <gammafunk> I think I may have found the vault where this happens
10:23:33 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-436-gf55f1f5: Don't show training target button when describing non-inv items 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f55f1f58b169
10:27:25 <Yermak> There are no more weapons that could be thrown, right?
10:28:29 <Yermak> weapons like OBJ_WEAPONS
10:41:52 <advil> you can clumsily throw stuff if you try hard enough but it does no damage
10:42:19 <advil> it's sort of a weird key combo and I'm not entirely sure why it's still enabled, but I guess there must be a reason
10:44:14 <Yermak> No, I was interested because there seems to be a leftover from times when daggers could be thrown:
10:46:20 <Yermak> item-name.cc #L3413
10:46:39 <advil> !source item-name.cc:3413
10:46:39 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item-name.cc#L3413
10:47:13 <advil> yeah, that's part of what I mean actually, a bunch of oldish throwing code is still active
10:47:24 <advil> but somewhere deep in the damage calculations it just hard resets damage to 0
10:47:33 <advil> iirc it even still does some of the damage calculations
10:47:47 <Yermak> huh
10:48:06 <advil> the case you point out I suppose could matter if there's a non-wieldable weapon that's throwable by some char?
10:48:22 <advil> then it could spuriously be declared as non-useless
10:48:40 <Yermak> nope, I'm just looking through the code.
10:48:50 <advil> I can't think of a case like that
10:49:06 <advil> I'm not really sure why throwing items wasn't removed more thoroughly
10:49:14 <Yermak> Was wondering if the second condition is useless and can be deleted.
10:49:25 <advil> yeah, probably
10:53:35 <advil> oh wait
10:54:05 <advil> nvm
10:55:00 <advil> is_throwable returns false for any non-missile, so that conjunct is guaranteed true
10:57:18 <advil> unless someone adds back in Lehudib's crystal spear
10:59:52 <advil> %git df89f4c
10:59:52 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-3145-gdf89f4c: Mark all weapons as non-throwable.  Can still be fumble-thrown. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 2 files, 82+ 88-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df89f4c26ec4
11:00:47 <advil> ok, LCS was removed at the same time, so it wasn't that
11:00:53 <advil> well, 2 days later
11:01:33 <advil> but maybe some of the throwing machinery was still retained for save compat reasons for a while
11:27:15 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (master - f55f1f5 #8906 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/299154975
11:28:15 <Tux[Qyou]> this is getting progressively weirder
11:28:51 <Tux[Qyou]> now crawl is registering tiles i've seen as black tiles but shows me the enemies i've seen in them
11:39:22 <advil> Tux[Qyou]: can you provide a save or save backup (if online)?
11:39:46 <advil> it may not persist across a reload though
11:39:49 <advil> we've seen reports of stuff like that but it's been next to impossible to replicate
12:18:12 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-436-gf55f1f5 (34)
12:29:09 <gammafunk> So I looked more into that sprint bug
12:29:24 <gammafunk> something stronge is happening where that kitem isn't being processed
12:30:52 <Tux[Qyou]> advil: sadly I've moved
12:31:05 <Tux[Qyou]> also ctrl e is broken
12:31:16 <Tux[Qyou]> I have this iguana skeleton and it doesn't pace my speed to it
12:40:56 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:42:05 <amalloy> @??iguana skeleton
12:42:05 <Gretell> iguana skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 3 | HP: 18-24 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 12 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(4), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 5 | Sz: small | Int: brainless.
12:44:09 <amalloy> Tux[Qyou]: you know it's just your travel speed, right? for autotravel and autoexplore? it doesn't slow down your manual actions like when you move a single square, which would be quite bad in combat
13:08:30 <Yermak> Do we need a patch that squelches notes fo finding useless artefacts? E.g I had this line on my last Fe-- game: Found the +8 storm bow {elec}.
13:10:37 <Yermak> One argument against it is if some troll/ogre/etc. player could want to have memories of finding very good randart cpa that he wasn't able to wear.
13:15:09 <amalloy> if /r/dcss is any guide, players love nothing more than to find amazing items they can't use
13:59:37 <amalloy> is the &# command for setting up a character from a morgue file supposed to work? i tried it on https://pastebin.com/raw/3Av3C1Kh and it kinda works, gets the skills and god right, but it seems to give up when it's asked to generate randarts. which is understandable, but as a result it puts items on the floor instead of wearing them, and doesn't train my spells or put anythingin my inventory
14:02:55 <Piginabag> gammafunk you're still my favorite superhero
14:03:31 <Piginabag> i mean crawl person
14:04:14 <gammafunk> !tell Piginabag thanks
14:04:15 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let piginabag know.
14:59:01 <Cheibriados> 03Filip Michałowski02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/647 * 0.21-a0-407-gb54782d: Ability R-click - removal of comments, inlining 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b54782d13d4d
16:53:39 <SteelNeuron> Any idea what kind of timezone |amethyst is usually around at?
16:57:37 <gammafunk> He's in Kansas, but I'm not sure when he has free time
16:57:56 <SteelNeuron> no problem, just wanted a general idea, ty
16:58:23 <gammafunk> sorry, Kentucky, not Kansas :)
16:58:34 <wheals_> all those states that start with k are the same
17:02:56 <gammafunk> SteelNeuron: I'm not sure how much time |amethyst will have over coming weeks in terms of implementing/discussing your changes, since he's pretty busy
17:03:29 <gammafunk> I know elliptic said he would have time to look over things at some point maybe in the next week, and I and others in this channel who are interested can also give feedback
17:06:32 <gammafunk> rip
17:06:48 <gammafunk> !tell SteelNeuron I'm not sure how much time |amethyst will have over coming weeks in terms of implementing/discussing your changes, since he's pretty busy
17:06:49 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let steelneuron know.
17:07:06 <gammafunk> !tell SteelNeuron I know elliptic said he would have time to look over things at some point maybe in the next week, and I and others in this channel who are interested can also give feedback
17:07:06 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let steelneuron know.
17:07:32 <gammafunk> !tell wheals $(blame3 wheals)
17:07:32 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know.
17:07:40 <gammafunk> wonder if that worked
17:07:46 <gammafunk> !tell gammafunk $(blame3 wheals)
17:07:46 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
17:07:48 <gammafunk> !messages
17:07:49 <Sequell> (1/1) gammafunk said (2s ago): $(blame3 wheals)
17:07:52 <gammafunk> darn
17:35:01 <Tux[Qyou]> hoi
17:35:03 <Tux[Qyou]> http://prntscr.com/h802u2
17:41:19 <advil> !till gammafunk $(!blame3 gammafunk)
17:41:22 <advil> er
17:41:26 <advil> !tell gammafunk $(!blame3 gammafunk)
17:41:27 <Sequell> advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
17:45:39 <advil> channel-relevant https://twitter.com/ossia/status/928307994567364609
17:55:48 <gammafunk> right, forgot the !
18:25:20 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-437-ge5bf024: Add an option for people who really like to restart (Zibokwe) 10(12 minutes ago, 5 files, 20+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5bf024252e9
18:55:23 <gammafunk> I can't get enough of restarting, myself
19:14:57 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - e5bf024 #8908 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/299372294
19:16:15 <advil> I can never tell if these things are plausibly some rare memory corruption that occasionally shows up in testing, or a travis issue
20:01:08 -!- mumra1 is now known as mumra
20:01:21 <mumra> hola
20:01:56 <mumra> "The dream sheep are weather in dream dust. You feel drowsy..."
20:01:59 <mumra> awesome
20:27:04 -!- FR3D is now known as BuTzE
20:46:00 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:34:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
22:18:51 <mumra> hmm. as an octopode of hepliaklqana, why do i have a humanoid ancestor?
22:35:59 <minmay> don't ask questions that you aren't pepared to handle the answers to
23:28:13 <ProzacElf> oh hey it's mumra!
23:28:31 <ProzacElf> also, i asked that same question when i was using a centaur, i believe
23:28:37 <ProzacElf> i never got a satisfactory answer
23:29:00 <ProzacElf> but i did get an answer as to why my ancestor was speed 10 when i was faster than that
23:29:09 <ProzacElf> even if it wasn't a very satisfying answer
23:39:46 <mumra> hey ProzacElf!
23:40:06 <mumra> yeah i feel like the flavour text should be customised to the different races
23:40:29 <ProzacElf> heh
23:40:30 <ProzacElf> yeah
23:40:32 <ProzacElf> how goes it?
23:40:36 <mumra> well, for a centaur i can see a justifaction, the ancestor you're seeing is the human side of the family
23:40:46 <mumra> but you should equally be able to get a pony instead
23:41:34 <mumra> it's going good thanks
23:41:37 <mumra> still really busy in london
23:54:20 <ProzacElf> haha
23:54:30 <ProzacElf> sorry, i'm trying to get packed to move
23:54:39 <ProzacElf> so i got dragooned into hauling some boxes up from the basement
23:55:05 <ProzacElf> and since the boxes got moldy, we get to repack stuff that never got unpacked from when we moved in here