00:40:11 <Cheibriados> Slime creatures become webbed when splitting after being stuck in a net 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11221 by johnstein
00:50:37 <Cheibriados> Icon for Haunted monster status 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11222 by Ultraviolent4
01:53:09 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/614 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/614
01:53:09 <Cheibriados> 03johnstein02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/614 * 0.21-a0-271-ga062ad2: Prevent split slimes from inheriting HELD enchantments (heteroy) 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a062ad2b5a17
02:26:53 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
03:46:59 <Napkin> don't remember
04:01:43 <Napkin> |amethyst? seems like git@cdo's pubkey got removed from the crawl repository on github:
04:01:55 <Napkin> Fetching github
04:01:56 <Napkin> Permission denied (publickey).
04:01:56 <Napkin> fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
07:54:43 -!- bh_ is now known as bh
07:55:13 <bh> !seen dpeg
07:55:13 <Sequell> I last saw dpeg at Thu Jun  1 23:15:43 2017 UTC (14w 6d 12h 39m 30s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: nights'.
07:55:16 <bh> !seen lasty
07:55:16 <Sequell> I last saw Lasty at Thu Sep 14 02:30:16 2017 UTC (9h 25m ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'.
08:35:19 <|amethyst> Napkin:  that's weird... it can be re-added of course, but I'm not sure why it would have disappeared in the first place
09:07:08 -!- Webmant7 is now known as Webmant
09:12:36 <|amethyst> hmm
10:34:48 <Cheibriados> Incorrect tile for wretched star sometimes 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11223 by hollowman
11:30:54 <advil> gammafunk: hmm, maybe you thought about this already, but it looks like some of the V:5 welcoming party can generate awake, I wonder if this should be special-cased not to happen?
11:31:04 <advil> not sure how much it matters for most characters
11:34:52 <gammafunk> advil: generate awake should only apply to level monsters, which shouldn't happen for encompass vaults
11:35:01 <gammafunk> so if that is happening it's a bug
11:35:18 <advil> I was seeing it on &ctrl+R, I'll double check
11:36:04 <gammafunk> yeah V:5 uses the encompass vaults_vault
11:36:30 <gammafunk> So the generate change shouldn't affect that, although again there could be some kind of bug
11:37:04 <advil> oh, maybe it's just that if you do ctrl+R with stuff in LOS it does world_reacts immediately
11:37:24 <advil> they got awakened after generating
11:37:24 <advil> sorry
11:37:24 <gammafunk> yeah that would make sense
11:38:01 <Yermak> Guys, are gnoll attribute changes gonna be implemented soon or not?
11:38:42 <gammafunk> Well it's not clear which direction FK wants to try to take the species; we didn't like the stat shifting idea he seemed to want to pursue
11:39:00 <gammafunk> we being at least me and elliptic (probably others also wouldn't like it)
11:39:11 <Yermak> I wonder if I should wait a few days to up my chances of winning the next streak character which is a gnoll.
11:39:23 <gammafunk> I wouldn't hope on a change in the next few days
11:39:31 <Yermak> ok, thanks
11:39:46 <gammafunk> There was a kind of neat idea elliptic/mikee had about making them train all skills at once with appropriate changes to stats/apts
11:40:01 <advil> also it looks like the current PR now has conflicts
11:40:03 <gammafunk> That idea sounded pretty good to me but not sure if FK will do it or not
11:40:04 <Yermak> err, seems weird
11:40:44 <Yermak> So every time you wanna start training a new skill you just add it to the pool?
11:41:02 <gammafunk> yes, but you have better than average stats, apts
11:41:21 <Yermak> Are you able to exclude them from it?
11:41:25 <Yermak> I guess not
11:41:25 <gammafunk> apts may not be flat, but they could be; allowing different skills to have different apt could help make it work
11:41:33 <gammafunk> no, no excluding
11:41:44 <Yermak> Then how do you start?
11:41:53 <gammafunk> you start at game start
11:41:54 <Yermak> You have to train all skills you have at the start?
11:42:10 <gammafunk> you still get the skills the backgrounds give you though
11:42:37 <gammafunk> so you'll get your customary levels in fighting, weapon, (or magic), stealth etc
11:42:37 <gammafunk> but no skill selection
11:42:57 <Yermak> So does game force you to choose skills at start?
11:43:16 <gammafunk> no choosing at all I think
11:43:49 <gammafunk> all skills train at game start, but you get the boost in your starting skills from your starting class
11:44:18 <Yermak> Boost - like aptitude boost?
11:44:37 <gammafunk> no, boost as in how your starting class puts xp into certain specific skills
11:44:44 <Yermak> I see
11:44:46 <gammafunk> based on that class
11:45:10 <Yermak> Imo, feels too different from usual crawl.
11:45:24 <gammafunk> well, that would be in keeping from the current gnoll design!
11:46:28 <gammafunk> s/from/with/
11:50:11 <Yermak> Hmm, I think it should be mentioned in monster description if it's amphibious or not.
11:51:22 <Yermak> For example, one of frilled lizard and leopard gecko is amphibious, the other isn't.
11:52:04 <Yermak> It can matter for you to decide if it is worth luring them into water terrain.
11:58:16 <Cheibriados> Monster description should mention amphibiousness. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11224 by Yermak
12:06:57 <gammafunk> sounds like a good idea
12:25:20 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-271-ge7f0487: Remove a secret breakpoint in monster response to noise 10(18 minutes ago, 2 files, 29+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7f0487f3068
13:04:44 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-271-ge7f0487 (34)
13:09:09 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-271-ge7f0487 (34)
13:14:02 <Floodkiller> gammafunk: I can fix the PR to no longer conflict, or if someone else wants to implement elliptic's proposal I'm okay with that direction
13:14:58 <Floodkiller> otherwise, I'm still not ready to jump into writing another gnoll reform at the moment
13:15:38 <gammafunk> Oh I don't have problems with conflicts, that's just a technical issue; but yeah I personally don't like the idea of the change in that PR
13:16:00 <gammafunk> If you're going to work on something else for a while, I might talk with elliptic and mikee and anyone else about fleshing out the details of that proposal
13:16:31 <gammafunk> If it seems that it's still found to be interesting and is actually well-defined/workable, I could try to implement
13:30:03 <gammafunk> ??sword_in_stone[2
13:30:03 <Sequell> sword in stone[2/3]: !lg spectrina cebe 4 -tv:<T50500:>T51200:x4
13:30:10 <gammafunk> !lg spectrina cebe 4 -tv:<T50500:>T51200:x4 -ttyrec
13:30:12 <Sequell> 4. Spectrina, XL27 CeBe, T:107056 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
13:30:16 <gammafunk> er
13:30:17 <gammafunk> crap
13:30:21 <gammafunk> !lg spectrina cebe 4 -tv:<T50500:>T51200:x4:cancel -ttyrec
13:30:22 <Sequell> 4. Spectrina, XL27 CeBe, T:107056 cancel requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
13:30:26 <gammafunk> !lg spectrina cebe 4 -ttyrec
13:30:47 <gammafunk> !lg spectrina cebe 4 -log
13:31:57 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lg spectrina cebe 4 -ttyrec
13:31:57 <Sequell> 4. Spectrina, XL27 CeBe, T:107056: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Spectrina/morgue-Spectrina-20130913-082336.txt
13:33:17 <gammafunk> |amethyst: dobrazupa.org seems to be having trouble serving ttyrecs/morgues recently, is that a known problem?
13:33:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  it's known to me, but I haven't had a chance to contact the ISP yet
13:34:01 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I assume it's Irma
13:35:40 <gammafunk> oh, that would make sense!
13:37:50 <|amethyst> (and if that's the case, there's not much point in contacting them now)
13:45:46 <gammafunk> I do wish there was a way to interrupt footv when it's indefinitely trying to load a ttyrec
13:45:49 <gammafunk> !nuke
13:45:51 <Sequell> FooTV playlist clear requested by *.
13:46:29 <gammafunk> that clears the playlist, but doesn't stop it from trying to load one
13:46:32 <gammafunk> !lg . -tv
13:46:39 <Sequell> 777. gammafunk, XL27 MfAM, T:84750 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:27:17 <advil> %git  95cc9338a77e5c4182e0f6e807801c6bcd438847
14:27:17 <Cheibriados> 07greensnark02 * 0.8.0-a0-4355-g95cc933: New noise propagation system. 10(7 years ago, 5 files, 697+ 70-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95cc9338a77e
14:27:24 <advil> chei still ignores me in pm
14:29:19 <|amethyst> odd
14:29:38 <|amethyst> if you weren't logged in to your account that would happen
14:29:57 <|amethyst> but it looks like you are
14:33:58 <advil> oh, if I hadn't id'd to the nameserv?
14:34:08 <|amethyst> nickserv, yeah
14:34:20 <|amethyst> Freenode changed the default user mode after the recent spam attack
14:34:30 <|amethyst> to not accept messages from unidentified individuals
14:34:33 <|amethyst> I forget the letter
14:34:42 <johnny0> R
14:34:45 <|amethyst> thank you
14:35:01 <advil> looks like I should be identified
14:35:50 <advil> pm to Sequell works also
14:35:53 <|amethyst> I guess bots should probably change that mode, unless their owners are worried about links appearing in their logs
14:36:22 <|amethyst> ohhhh
14:36:29 <|amethyst> it's the other way around
14:36:34 <|amethyst> Chei doesn't identify to services
14:36:39 <advil> oh heh
14:36:40 <|amethyst> so you can't receive its replies
14:36:48 <|amethyst> patches welcome!
14:37:02 <advil> is chei in github somewhere?
14:37:37 <|amethyst> no, I for some reason never got around to that
14:38:13 <|amethyst> git clone  http://s-z.org/neil/git/cheibriados.git
14:38:41 <|amethyst> if you want to put it under the crawl org on github, feel free
14:39:17 <advil> yeah, could be good...I was wondering about changing some things on the logs, too, if that's part of the repository
14:39:26 <advil> (would be nice if the back button worked after search)
14:41:08 <|amethyst> advil:  it is, in dat/log/
14:41:14 <|amethyst> but it's very very rudimentary right now :)
14:42:05 <|amethyst> oh, and two of the files are dotfiles
14:43:27 <|amethyst> and no idea if any of that .htaccess will work outside Apache
14:45:17 <gammafunk> hrm, I get chei's replies ok
14:52:05 <advil> I have +R set I guess, probably you don't?
14:52:43 <advil> yeah, if I set -R it's fine
14:52:58 <advil> possibly easier than hacking BasicBot to deal with nickserv :)
15:01:56 <|amethyst> It's not too bad, see 'sub connected' in  https://github.com/crawl/sizzell/blob/master/sizzell.pl
15:01:59 <|amethyst> gtg now
18:02:48 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-271-ge7f0487 (34)
18:04:57 <advil> |amethyst re the changes.txt thing, I suppose you could create a dummy github account for uploading stuff like that (there already seems to be one on the team that looks like a dummy account? "crawl-mirrorer")
18:05:27 <advil> hm, I am not set as "Owner" (just a regular member)
18:07:35 <advil> oh, I guess I am also not set as "Maintainer" which would be the crucial one for adding a team member
18:13:28 <Cheibriados> 03johnstein02 {advil} 07* 0.21-a0-272-g984ae92: Prevent split slimes from inheriting HELD enchantments (heteroy) 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/984ae923736e
18:13:37 <gammafunk> advil: let me go change that
18:14:50 <gammafunk> advil: ok, should be changed
18:14:54 <gammafunk> you now own all of crawl
18:15:17 <advil> gammafunk thanks!  iirc there was some confusion involving changes to the github permission system when I first joined
18:15:24 <advil> oh the power
18:15:28 <gammafunk> it did behave oddly
18:15:38 <gammafunk> prompted me for my password to confirm when I changed your role
18:15:45 <gammafunk> then said nothing, took me back to the same screen
18:15:53 <gammafunk> with you still the old role
18:16:10 <advil> it did work, and sent me an email
18:16:11 <gammafunk> so I refreshed, did it again, and after taking my password it seemed to refresh the page on its own
18:16:20 <gammafunk> and then it showed your role as changed
18:16:26 <gammafunk> probably just the interface is a bit wonky
19:09:11 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-272-g984ae92 (34)
19:39:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:29:13 <Cheibriados> Part of the floor is inaccessible 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11225 by Yermak
20:43:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:41:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:52:53 <|amethyst> hm, I was thinking about changing the default fire_order
21:53:10 <|amethyst> should nets come before the damaging throwables, or after?
21:54:01 <|amethyst> (I would be changing it to either  "launcher, inscribed, rock, javelin, tomahawk, stone, net" or "launcher, inscribed, net, rock, javelin, tomahawk, stone", unless someone has a better idea)
21:54:15 <|amethyst> "return" doesn't actually work so I'd be removing that
21:55:17 <|amethyst> alternatively I could make "return" work and leave it out of the default fire order
21:55:35 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure it makes sense to but tomahawks of returning ahead of large rocks by default
21:55:40 <|amethyst> s/to but/to put/
21:59:28 <advil> am I reading correctly that right now it is launcher, return, javelin / tomahawk / stone / rock / net, inscribed?
22:00:26 <advil> net after seems more intuitive to me but I have no idea why
22:06:07 <|amethyst> advil:  yes, that's the current order
22:06:18 <|amethyst> advil:  except that "return" never actually matches any items
22:07:15 <|amethyst> I'm putting "inscribed" first so you can use +f/+F not just for things like Trog books, but also to mark branded ammo as "use this first"
22:07:28 <advil> that makes sense
22:08:01 <|amethyst> I guess it could even come before "launcher", but the use case for that is completely silly
22:09:02 <|amethyst> (you have two stacks of arrows with different inscriptions, one containing +f and one not, because you want to use up one of the two stacks before switching to the other.  And you're willing to give up an inventory slot to acheive this dubious goal...)
22:09:16 <|amethyst> s/eiv/iev/
22:09:37 <advil> the "launcher, inscribed, rock, javelin, tomahawk, stone, net" one seems best to me...are you keeping the slashes?
22:09:59 <|amethyst> I wouldn't remove them from the syntax, they just wouldn't be in the default
22:10:10 <advil> all I know about the current state is that missiles are never in the order I want them to be :)
22:10:22 -!- wup is now known as test
22:10:23 <|amethyst> sadly, changing this doesn't completely fix that
22:10:26 -!- test is now known as wup2
22:11:15 <|amethyst> there's no way to say "branded before unbranded" other than inscription, and once you inscribe +f you're ignoring the missile base type entirely
22:11:18 <advil> do the /s really leave it up to inventory position?
22:11:31 <advil> that seems like it would explain why I can never get a handle on the order
22:11:41 <|amethyst> advil:  I'm not sure if it's entirely inventory position, but yes
22:11:49 <|amethyst> they do not impose an order among the things with /
22:12:00 <|amethyst> so tomahawks and javelins are in whatever order
22:12:03 <|amethyst> probably inventory
22:13:39 <|amethyst> obtw
22:13:52 <|amethyst> I like how blowguns are special-cased so you can use them while netted
22:16:46 <advil> very flavorful
22:18:11 <|amethyst> (which also applies to webs I assume)
22:18:51 <johnstein> is this the "right" way to figure out what an enum value is in an mprf:  mprf("how = %d", ftype) where ftype is dungeon_feature_type ?
22:19:39 <johnstein> I do that and it says the value is 60 for DNGN_EXIT_DUNGEON, but that looks like it should be 50
22:19:58 <johnstein> an if statement confirms that ftype == DNGN_EXIT_DUNGEON
22:20:15 <johnstein> I think this is just me making some invalid assumptions on enums (which I thought were simple enough)
22:22:49 <|amethyst> johnstein:  #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34  DNGN_LAVA = 30
22:23:17 <|amethyst> and it is #30 after lava, not counting the ones in #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 34
22:23:43 <|amethyst> save compat (and preemptively reordering things for when we break save compat)
22:24:31 <|amethyst> hm
22:24:50 <|amethyst> I should file an implementable about not being able to eat purple meat while engorged
22:24:55 <johnstein> ah ok
22:25:04 <johnstein> I'm relying on Eclipse giving me the ID
22:25:06 <|amethyst> I looked into it, but it's not entirely trivial
22:25:14 <johnstein> on the tooltip, which likely isn't honoring the save compat
22:25:16 <johnstein> makese sense. ty
22:25:56 <johnstein> that just means I can't blame anyone else yet on why this isn't working
22:44:51 <Cheibriados> Can't eat mutagenic chunks while engorged. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11226 by neil
22:49:29 <|amethyst> ^^ that bug's an implementable BTW
22:50:17 <|amethyst> I guess food-unification could simplify the eat code much more than it does
22:51:02 <|amethyst> if it weren't for mutagenic chunks, it could just (1) try to eat a chunk if there are any (2) otherwise, try to eat a ration
22:51:12 <|amethyst> without ever prompting for which item
22:52:32 <elliptic> fwiw I don't think mutagenic chunks existing is good anyway
22:53:08 <elliptic> they are just a more plentiful but annoying potion of mutation in most respects
22:54:11 <|amethyst> elliptic:  well
22:54:28 <|amethyst> elliptic:  the difference is, they are on average a net gain in the number of mutations
22:54:34 <johnstein> for bad players like me mutagenic chunks feel less radical than current !mut
22:54:35 <|amethyst> while potions of mutations are not
22:54:38 <johnstein> since it's just one
22:54:55 <|amethyst> and they don't mess up your existing mutations unless they happen to cancel something out
22:55:16 <johnstein> ^
22:55:29 <elliptic> yeah, but in practice they behave similarly I think
22:55:42 <|amethyst> I definitely use them differently
22:55:50 <johnstein> me too
22:55:51 <elliptic> you eat a few mutagenic chunks, and if you don't like the results then you drink !mut
22:55:56 <|amethyst> I only use !mutation when I have mutations I want to lose
22:56:04 <|amethyst> or when I have no mutations
22:56:29 <gammafunk> I use !mutation when I want to play the mutation roulette
22:56:29 <|amethyst> I use mutagenic chunks when I like my current mutations but feel greedy
22:56:43 <gammafunk> or when I want to try to remove mutations
22:56:50 <gammafunk> which is the same reason I'd eat a mutagenic chunk
22:57:17 <elliptic> it's all really the same mutation roulette
22:57:24 <elliptic> just slightly different strategies for it
22:57:29 <|amethyst> hm
22:57:46 <elliptic> and I don't think we should try to enable the "get 12 mutations" thing anyway, that should be reserved for the multiple gods who do it
22:58:29 <|amethyst> I guess with the change to !mut number of removed mutations it's not as significant a difference
22:58:41 <elliptic> it's also really annoying to have to pay attention to what type of chunks a monster gives for long-term strategic reasons
22:59:03 <|amethyst> hm
22:59:35 <|amethyst> yeah, maybe food-unification should merge mutagenic chunks into inedible, then remove them
23:00:35 <gammafunk> ??gods[
23:00:36 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled gods[ in my learndb.
23:00:37 <gammafunk> er
23:00:38 <gammafunk> ??gods[2
23:00:39 <Sequell> gods[2/3]: Ashenzari, Beogh, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Fedhas, Gozag, Hepliaklqana, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Lugonu, Makhleb, Nemelex Xobeh, Okawaru, Pakellas, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, Trog, Uskayaw, Vehumet, Wu Jian Council, Xom, Yredelemnul, Zin, the Shining One.
23:01:18 <gammafunk> I guess X and J are the primary mutation gods
23:01:26 <gammafunk> now that nem doesn't have mutation cards
23:01:44 <gammafunk> maybe you could consider gozag because you can buy potion shops but that's a bit of a stretch
23:02:06 <gammafunk> however G worshipers do get more access to !mutation on-average certainly, if they want that
23:02:36 <gammafunk> but having a more reasonable knob for controlling access to mutation like the drop rate of mutation potions or god powers is nic
23:02:39 <gammafunk> e
23:03:10 <gammafunk> because then you don't got to flood the dungeon with mutation sources every time you place a u/random other glyph monster
23:03:43 <gammafunk> we could add mutagenic fountains???
23:03:57 <hellmonk> mutagen traps
23:04:14 <gammafunk> is that already a zot trap effect? I guess you can get a lot of contam
23:04:21 <hellmonk> kinda
23:04:35 <johnstein> mutagenic traps sound like they could be interesting
23:04:36 <hellmonk> now I'm imagining someone scumming zot traps for mutations
23:05:00 <hellmonk> that was a joke suggestion please do not add mut traps
23:05:02 <gammafunk> mutagenic traps wouldn't be too interesting; just place a neqo or a caco
23:05:11 <gammafunk> or a shino
23:05:17 <gammafunk> or a...
23:05:21 <gammafunk> is that the whole list
23:05:41 <|amethyst> make a monster like rotting hulks but it explodes into mutagenic clouds
23:05:41 <gammafunk> oh, orb of fire
23:05:41 <gammafunk> oh man, rotting hulks...
23:05:48 <gammafunk> I was trying to remember the name of that monster the other day
23:05:57 <gammafunk> !lg * cikiller=rotting_hulk
23:06:11 <|amethyst> add radiation crabs
23:06:20 <hellmonk> i approve of that one
23:06:58 <Yermak> Like ancient zyme, just causes mutations instead of sickness?
23:07:13 <|amethyst> Yermak:  we already have wretched star
23:07:23 <|amethyst> (not quite the same, granted)
23:07:28 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lg * cikiller=rotting_hulk
23:07:31 <hellmonk> tbh the temp mutation mechanic might be worth expanding on
23:08:04 <advil> I guess pulsating lumps or whatever they were are gone? maybe they still show up in that one wizlab?
23:08:05 <hellmonk> feel like players get much less annoyed by the interaction compared to interacting with permamutation, some sort of radiaton snail would be cool perhaps
23:10:15 <advil> %git 74d4e68c6cc6146599720906622add4215071b0f
23:10:15 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1566-g74d4e68: Remove pulsating lumps. 10(3 years, 3 months ago, 26 files, 23+ 111-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74d4e68c6cc6
23:13:05 <hellmonk> bring back pulsating lumps but as speed 15 dudes that temp mutate you on hit and do a lot of damage
23:13:16 <hellmonk> and spawn in gigantic packs
23:59:40 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-272-g984ae92 (34)