00:06:13 <johnstein> !hs * smithgod
00:06:13 <Sequell> No keyword 'smithgod'
00:06:20 <johnstein> !hs * explbr=smithgod
00:06:20 <Sequell> No games for * (explbr=smithgod sc<1000000000).
00:07:06 <johnstein> is there a command line option to just generate the des/maps?
00:07:11 <johnstein> and not start up the game?
00:09:05 <gammafunk> johnstein: -builddb
00:09:26 <gammafunk> which should be listed on -help
00:09:31 <gammafunk> but it might not be
00:09:39 <johnstein> ty
00:09:41 <johnstein> probably is
00:09:52 <johnstein> I ran the command a long time ago
01:17:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
01:22:47 <johnstein> https://pastebin.com/TYQrC4q8
01:23:00 <johnstein> gammafunk, getting a crash when running -builddb
01:23:27 <johnstein> oh. bet the 'unable to get stack trace' error will make that harder to debug than usual... hmm
03:22:37 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-137-g951aa02 (34)
04:27:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:11:47 <advil> johnstein: what version are you on?
09:12:01 <advil> %git af085ce007a3c29af381aabd83890e75f0ffce3e
09:12:01 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.21-a0-124-gaf085ce: Don't crash on --builddb for tiles builds 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af085ce007a3
09:13:21 <advil> there was a crash on unix that looks like that, if you do have that patch I suppose it could still be happening on windows for some reason
09:13:49 <advil> it shouldn't crash if you just let the db build normally, the problem was that on a tiles build there was code that assumed that there was a game window deep in the tutorial messaging
09:13:55 <advil> ??linley hanzell[6
09:13:56 <Sequell> linley hanzell ~ linley henzell[6/7]: Henzell discussing his programming ability: "You see, I gave up on Borland's [C++] manual (which is very good, I'm just lazy) when it started talking about pointers [....] After pointers came structs, enums, pragmas, classes, macros, and a whole lot of other stuff which still means nothing to me."
09:19:43 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L4 NaCj)  (D:3)
09:20:18 <rumflump> is there a page similar to http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html , but for terrain / dungeon features?
09:59:39 -!- Mayoi is now known as erkin
10:01:18 <johnstein> Advil: it's a version I'm working on. but I'll try master later to see if I can isolate whether it's a problem with my code or not. loading the exe normally always works. I just can't get the builddb flag to work
10:03:21 <johnstein> oh. also I was doing -builddb. is it -- or just -?
12:32:53 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund
13:04:49 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-137-g951aa02 (34)
13:23:12 <espais> hi all, webtiles question
13:23:29 <espais> not necessarily sure whaaaat happened, but my local server implementation isn't exactly firing up any more
13:23:38 <espais> apache's not part of the picture, so logs show nothing from that end
13:23:53 <espais> basically i can login, see the available games, click one of the entries, but it never leaves the lobby
13:24:28 <espais> i see #play-dcss-git flash briefly in the url bar, but it goes away immediately
13:24:39 <espais> any log files that i can check (ubuntu server) that might shed some light on the issue?
13:25:15 <geekosaur> whatever log file gets the stdout/stderr from server.py
13:25:35 <geekosaur> if none does, you may want to arrange to run it with output redirected somewhere
13:26:10 <geekosaur> that failure would indicate that server.py can't run the crawl executable or its crashing on startup
13:26:14 <espais> hmm, never came across server.py, i did the dgamelaunch setup
13:26:25 <geekosaur> oh, I don't know where dgl logs
13:26:37 <espais> nor do i :)
13:26:42 <espais> logs/ folder is empty
13:26:46 <espais> i'm guessing logging is off by default
13:27:16 <espais> ha
13:27:20 <espais> well would you look at that
13:27:25 <espais> NOTE from johnstein: ”/etc/init.d/webtiles sets PYTHONPATH for this, so you shouldn't need to install this, but I wasn't able to make it work and needed to ~# python setup.py install” NOTE from ZiBuDo: Troubleshoot with sudo tail -f /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log
13:28:08 <espais> https://pastebin.com/88M3ZJ75
13:29:15 <geekosaur> oh, that one again...now if I can remember all the possible causes
13:29:29 <espais> heh
13:29:33 <espais> i did a quick SO search
13:29:36 <espais> my # of pty's is:
13:29:37 <espais> :~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max 4096
13:29:47 <espais> eh, formatting -- 4096 should be plenty?
13:29:58 <espais> and /dev/pts is mounted as well
13:30:28 <geekosaur> mounted in the chroot?
13:30:58 <espais> yep
13:31:05 <geekosaur> also permissions can be an issue
13:31:13 <espais> ~$ sudo chroot /home/crawl/DGL/ root@sbselab-git:/# mount proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000)
13:32:23 <espais> the odd thing is that i'm not necessarily sure what caused this...i had a run 2 days ago, died, then tried logging in again later and that happened
13:32:33 <espais> the only thing i have going is a cron job (daily) for updating the trunk
13:33:10 * geekosaur is scanning logs for past times this has come up
13:33:19 <geekosaur> but generally |amethyst has been the one to figure it out
13:33:34 <geekosaur> and ubuntu keeps changing things (last time was ubuntu too(
13:33:42 <espais> nice
13:35:17 <geekosaur> hm, looks like maybe they just gave up on it and switched to console
13:35:56 <geekosaur> oh, no, it was something about the way devpts was mounted
13:36:49 <geekosaur> 2017 Apr 14 23:21:52 <Sequell>  [19:33:43] (1/1) |amethyst said (7h 20m 47s ago): also make sure you have mounted devpts under /chroot/dev/pts
13:37:02 <geekosaur> seems to be the last time this came up
13:37:57 <espais> so if i enter the chroot
13:38:05 <espais> devpts on /dev/pts
13:38:27 <espais> outside of chroot
13:38:37 <espais> ~$ mount | grep devpts devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000) devpts on /home/crawl/DGL/dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000)
13:39:07 <geekosaur> running inside the chroot as the crawl user: python -c "import pty; print pty.fork()"
13:43:05 <espais> out of pty devices
13:45:46 <geekosaur> hm, so something is wrong with the mount. or...
13:45:58 <geekosaur> ls -l /dev/ptmx (inside chroot)
13:46:36 <espais> root@sbselab-git:/# ls -l /dev/ptmx lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul 14 15:58 /dev/ptmx -> pts/ptmx
13:49:07 <geekosaur> hm
13:49:30 <geekosaur> not how it is on my system but this is an older ubuntu
13:49:49 <espais> what does yours look like?
13:49:55 <geekosaur> can you do it again with: ls -lL /dev/ptmx
13:50:04 <espais> i'm on 16.04
13:50:12 <geekosaur> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 2 Jul 18 13:45 /dev/ptmx
13:50:24 <espais> \/dev/ptmx
13:50:35 <espais> i have to run for a bit...i'll pop back on in an hour or so
13:53:58 <johnstein> man I'm getting flashbacks on the pain it took me to get cbro working
13:54:18 <johnstein> I had to do the setup I think 4 times
13:54:32 <geekosaur> everyone has problems with it, I think...
14:24:55 <johnstein> ??dgl[5
14:24:55 <Sequell> dgl[5/5]: geekosaur: everyone has problems with it, I think...
14:25:21 <geekosaur> well, I meant specifically the ptys
14:26:08 <geekosaur> dgl itself is just black magic
14:26:34 <johnstein> it's a good description of dgl and I think actually adds a bit of reassurance to people dumb enough to try to get it working
14:27:05 <johnstein> yea. dgl is pretty neat since I was able to hack DF and catacylsm to use it
14:27:15 <johnstein> my server just couldn't handle the load
14:35:32 <Cheibriados> Draconian auxillary tailslap is not mentioned in mutation or player desc. screens. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11154 by Raine357
14:41:09 <johnstein> ??tailslap
14:41:09 <Sequell> tail slap[1/1]: An {auxiliary unarmed} attack you can get if you are a draconian or a merfolk in water. Damage is 6 + (stinger mutation level * 3). Add +6 for being a grey draconian.
14:41:27 <johnstein> does Mf mention it?
15:12:06 <espais> aaaand back
18:04:32 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-137-g951aa02 (34)
18:41:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:39:41 <alexjurkiewicz> 7 open PRs! https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen%20author%3Aalexjurkiewicz%20
20:43:15 <minmay> !vault cheibrodos_lair_reptile_den
20:43:15 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#L2348
20:43:19 <minmay> I don't think this is working as intended
20:44:02 <nikheizen> checkers: it's kind of hard since there are only 2 devs regularly working on crawl for the past while
20:44:25 <nikheizen> mainly just gamma and advil from what i see
20:45:22 <minmay> I think it's supposed to place plants and fungi around the stairs but it actually places random monsters around the stairs
20:47:35 <minmay> because it substs to 3 instead of P
20:55:43 <johnstein> I suppose I need to learn c++ to help fill the dev void
20:59:25 <gammafunk> 2 devs regularly working on crawl doesn't seem accurate to me
21:00:24 <gammafunk> besides I don't think that's even a record for open alex PRs
21:15:15 <alexjurkiewicz> i used to have two pages!
21:16:02 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: good catch
21:16:39 <gammafunk> I'll probably do a bunch of the vault PRs in a nice batch
21:16:43 <gammafunk> soonish
21:18:46 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: opened a PR for that, can you check I fixed it how you suggested?
21:20:45 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/577 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/577
21:20:45 <Cheibriados> 03Alex Jurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/577 * 0.21-a0-138-gdd24fcb: Fix a nsubst (minmay) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd24fcbe0892
21:21:25 <gammafunk> shouldn't that be "Fix an nsubst"?
21:21:28 <gammafunk> PR rejected
21:23:46 <amalloy> gammafunk: nsubst has now undergone the same transformation as norange
21:24:07 <alexjurkiewicz> i was wondering that
21:25:56 <Cheibriados> 03Alex Jurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/577 * 0.21-a0-138-gccb9c37: Fix an nsubst (minmay) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccb9c3751bcd
21:29:46 <gammafunk> amalloy: I think I missed that meme
21:30:13 <advil> nikheizen: I think I'm just particularly visible because I do a lot of small bugfix commits
21:31:12 <advil> johnstein: there was no stacktrace in that crashlog, but there is a lua stacktrace (at the very end), which looks exactly like that builddb crash I fixed
21:31:21 <advil> johnstein: also, it doesn't care whether you use - or --
21:34:43 <advil> is it me or does this sourceforge reconfirm subscription thing a bit odd
21:35:05 <gammafunk> advil also named after a medication that is popular with stressed out programmers, which helps his recognition level
21:35:18 <advil> heh
21:35:27 <gammafunk> yeah I got that the other day as well, seems like something they recently started doing?
21:35:28 <advil> I bought some today, in fact
21:35:34 <gammafunk> I don't recall seeing it in the past
21:35:50 <gammafunk> you could become the spicerack of medicines
21:35:51 <advil> it seems ok in principle but it gives me a nagging suspicion they just want to get more marketing info
21:35:54 <gammafunk> !nick spicerack
21:35:55 <Sequell> Mapping spicerack => basil sage thyme mint allspice oregano tarragon rosemary
21:36:09 <advil> I have sometimes used tylenol as a nick
21:36:20 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/578 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/578
21:36:20 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/578 * 0.21-a0-138-g2ae54cb: Squelch Chei 'lowering attributes' after piety loss for Gnolls (mibe) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ae54cb451fa
21:36:41 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: i'm 100% positive the email is for nefarious purposes, but what are you gonna do
21:36:41 <advil> not for crawl I think
21:36:48 <advil> !lg tylenol
21:36:49 <Sequell> No games for tylenol.
21:36:52 <advil> hmmmm
21:37:02 <alexjurkiewicz> not like bad emails get through spam filters these days
21:37:03 <advil> !lg acetaminophen
21:37:03 <Sequell> No games for acetaminophen.
21:37:06 <amalloy> gammafunk: well just, in real life the word for orange used to be norange, centuries ago
21:37:20 <amalloy> but "a norange" gradually blurred into "an orange"
21:37:58 <gammafunk> interesting
21:38:26 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07* 0.21-a0-138-g2ae54cb: Squelch Chei 'lowering attributes' after piety loss for Gnolls (mibe) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ae54cb451fa
21:38:26 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 {GitHub} 07* 0.21-a0-139-g5c9a5ea: Merge pull request #578 from Floodkiller/gnoll_remove_warnings 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c9a5ea8dc61
21:39:56 <Floodkiller> I know I left chei enabled for gnolls, but why did that get discovered within a day?
21:40:17 <CanOfWorms> !gnollchallenge
21:40:17 <Sequell> No games for * (gn chei win vlong>=0.21-a0-133-gf55ed5b).
21:40:22 <CanOfWorms> that's why
21:40:29 <gammafunk> ??gnoll challenge
21:40:29 <Sequell> gnoll challenge[1/2]: gn--^chei
21:40:35 <Floodkiller> : /
21:40:37 <gammafunk> basically, blame hellmonk and/or mibe
21:40:51 <gammafunk> I'm not sure who thought of it first, but mibe attempted immediately
21:41:10 <hellmonk> I think it was someone else actually, we just responded with enthusiasm
21:41:17 <Cheibriados> 03Chloe Kudryavtsev02 {advil} 07* 0.21-a0-140-g479285b: Fix various typos in jewellery hints (fixes #571) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/479285b4ad3d
21:41:39 <amalloy> still worth it for slouch
21:41:39 <n1> Floodkiller, it got discovered before it was even merged
21:42:02 <n1> gammafunk, I thought of it!
21:42:20 <hellmonk> btw can gnolls become hungerless so that food costs arent so annoying, tia
21:42:26 <gammafunk> immediately, even once Floodkiller began idly discussing plans for new gnolls in the most offhand way
21:42:36 <gammafunk> chei players began their strat formulations
21:43:03 <gammafunk> gnolls aren't mummies, hellmonk
21:43:06 <Floodkiller> if I make gnolls hungerless, what happens to mummies?
21:43:10 <Floodkiller> e;fb
21:43:38 <alexjurkiewicz> GN = Gnomm Mummy
21:43:45 <CanOfWorms> the future reveals itself
21:43:49 <CanOfWorms> gnolls are merged with mummies
21:44:00 <gammafunk> mummies with positive apts?!
21:44:00 <CanOfWorms> finally, the +3 apt mummy everyone has always wanted is here
21:44:13 <Floodkiller> actually, only the locked low stats part is merged with mummies
21:44:20 <CanOfWorms> players can't complain now!!!
21:44:41 <alexjurkiewicz> 1 complaint = +1 aptitude
21:44:49 <gammafunk> yeah, 7/7/7 stat mummies
21:44:52 <gammafunk> now that I would play
21:44:59 <advil> does anyone know anything about neo command keys (https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/566)?
21:45:00 <Floodkiller> maybe they could get gourmand, but that also eats into kobold (and partially troll)
21:45:06 <Floodkiller> maybe food could be removed???
21:45:39 <advil> I'm tempted to just merge it, it seems fine and innocuous, but I can't vet the bindings
21:45:43 <gammafunk> food can be removed, but here's what happens as the dungeon clock progresses
21:45:47 <gammafunk> bad mutations, lots of them
21:46:01 <alexjurkiewicz> gourmand seems pointles for a species with +3 spc
21:46:19 <alexjurkiewicz> but I think it's ok to give a third species gourmand. How many species have innate flat AC mutations
21:46:39 <Floodkiller> alexjurkiewicz: that's kind of what I figured, but I guess some people are having hunger problems?
21:47:03 <alexjurkiewicz> perhaps because +3 apt gives you access to higher level spells earlier than usual?
21:47:24 <gammafunk> well you do have good skilling, but with such low int it's not super easy to cast
21:47:35 <n1> alexjurkiewicz, spell hunger is reduced very little even with high spc skill
21:47:49 <gammafunk> but I did some experiementing with spells, and with 18 SC, 16 each tmut necro, I had necromutation castable with 9% fail no wizardry
21:48:17 <gammafunk> spells are castable pretty easy but with such awful spellpower
21:48:18 <n1> spell hunger is reduced by SC*Int
21:48:27 <gammafunk> so you have to cast them more frequently
21:48:54 <gammafunk> with 27 SC/Summons, archmagi, |summon, wild magic three, I could get just over 90 spellpower for XXX
21:50:43 <n1> here's a cool one (if the command is correct)
21:50:44 <n1> !ev gn 7 7 0 27 27
21:50:45 <Sequell> Race: gn str: 7 dex: 7 ER: 0 dodging: 27 armour: 27 => EV: 19
21:50:49 <alexjurkiewicz> i wonder how the spell damage of a GnFE would compare to a HuFE through the game
21:51:20 <alexjurkiewicz> i wonder if it's higher at any point
21:51:51 <gammafunk> !ev gn 7 7 18 27 27
21:51:51 <Sequell> Race: gn str: 7 dex: 7 ER: 18 dodging: 27 armour: 27 => EV: 4
21:51:51 <gammafunk> good ev
21:51:52 <Floodkiller> if the HuFE never trains any spell skills again, probably
21:52:58 <n1> wow they actually cannot get ev from dodging skill in plate
21:53:25 <n1> well, holding armour:27 constant
21:53:42 <Floodkiller> n1: they start at 0 EV in plate without dodging skill
21:53:46 <Floodkiller> so they get 4!
21:54:09 <n1> hm
21:54:23 <n1> according to !ev it's from armour skill somehow
21:54:34 <n1> !ev gn 7 7 18 27 0
21:54:35 <Sequell> Race: gn str: 7 dex: 7 ER: 18 dodging: 27 armour: 0 => EV: -2
21:54:40 <n1> !ev gn 7 7 18 0 27
21:54:41 <Sequell> Race: gn str: 7 dex: 7 ER: 18 dodging: 0 armour: 27 => EV: 4
21:54:48 <Floodkiller> oh, nm then
21:57:12 <alexjurkiewicz> new gnoll idea: 0 apts, locked stats start at 1/1/1 and increase by 1/1/1 per XL
21:57:31 <alexjurkiewicz> what this species needs is a radical change
21:58:25 <CanOfWorms> given them a baseball cap and skateboard
21:58:29 <CanOfWorms> maximum radicality
21:59:51 <nikheizen> is deletion a radical change
22:05:20 <minmay> <alexjurkiewicz> i wonder how the spell damage of a GnFE would compare to a HuFE through the game
22:05:20 <minmay> <alexjurkiewicz> i wonder if it's higher at any point
22:05:33 <minmay> I imagine the damage of an FE that can cast fireball is higher than the damage of an FE that can't
22:06:55 <alexjurkiewicz> sure. But I wonder if gnoll has better power at an earlier point
22:07:00 <minmay> isn't GnFE damage being lower basically the whole point, though? it's easier to cast spells and swing weapons and in exchange you do less damage
22:07:27 <minmay> no, it mathematically can't beat HuFE on spell power
22:08:04 <minmay> 15 int vs. 7 int means 2.14x the pre-stepdown spellpower, so to equal that the gnoll's skill levels would have to be 2.14 times as high
22:08:29 <minmay> which they won't be, you'd need a much higher apt for that
22:09:25 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-140-g479285b (34)
22:28:29 -!- steven_ is now known as stebl
23:01:29 <johnstein> advil, looks like rebasing to the latest master, which included your fix, fixed my builddb issue. nice coincidence that you had fixed it pretty much right when I needed it
23:01:31 <johnstein> thanks!
23:02:03 <johnstein> now my handy-dandy make script auto rebuilds the des cache after a recompile
23:07:48 <johnstein> ??hellcrawl
23:07:48 <Sequell> hellcrawl[1/5]: A meme fork developed by hellmonk. Features: less experience. Unfeatures: everything tavern hates. Playable on {cpo}, {cbro}, and {cgt}. Readme and downloads at https://github.com/Hellmonk/hellcrawl
23:08:14 <hellmonk> all the people who say new gn are unfun arent wrong
23:08:22 <hellmonk> unless its my fault for going chei
23:20:22 <johnstein> hellmonk, webtiles HellCrawl should be working now
23:20:25 <johnstein> sorry for the delay
23:20:32 <hellmonk> cool, thank you
23:21:28 <johnstein> np. super easy to bring back since all the stuff was just sitting there. just had to bring back the verbose experimental warning banner and reboot webtiles a couple times.
23:29:57 <gammafunk> does webtile hellcrawl have the cool flaming skull animation yet?
23:30:35 <gammafunk> hellmonk: actually, you could find some dank splash art and put it in dat/tiles I think
23:30:42 <gammafunk> I believe it would work
23:31:08 <hellmonk> maybe I'll do that once I splat this gn^chei run
23:32:55 <johnstein> ?/dank
23:32:55 <Sequell> Matching entries (1): meme_rule_meme[1]: a dank gammafunk meme created in March 2017
23:37:54 <gammafunk> !learn del meme_rule_meme
23:37:54 <Sequell> Deleted meme rule meme[1/1]: a dank gammafunk meme created in March 2017
23:38:17 <gammafunk> that entry violated a rule
23:46:53 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: when is the new hellcrawl coming
23:47:06 <hellmonk> when I get the damn permabuffs shit done
23:47:43 <hellmonk> I died on my gnoll challenge so I can start working on it again
23:48:10 <hellmonk> you can update if the makh and qazlal stuff isnt live though
23:59:38 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-140-g479285b (34)