00:12:53 <Wander> is it true that you can't have monsters in LOS when the game starts? it works fine when I load an arrival vault in wizmode, but if it doesn't work in an actual game then that would be a problem for a couple arrival vaults I'm making
00:17:22 <johnstein> screwing around with layouts is fun but I think I need to set up a proper dev environment
00:31:04 <CanOfWorms> I believe monsters can't even spawn in the arrival vault area, I did some wizmoding with TRJ and he never spawned his jellies when I was fighting him in the arrival vault
00:34:39 <johnstein> that's kinda neat
00:35:33 <Wander> oh man :(
00:41:29 <Wander> I'm off. Thanks for the help!
00:52:31 <gammafunk> CanOfWorms: have you used that secret tech yet?
00:52:56 <CanOfWorms> the ultimate tech.......
00:53:00 <gammafunk> banish trj, enter abyss from d:1
00:53:07 <gammafunk> find trj, lure it to the portal, exit
00:53:12 <gammafunk> lure it to the arrival vault
00:54:22 <CanOfWorms> can trj actually leave the abyss?
00:54:27 <gammafunk> I would assume so?
00:54:28 <gammafunk> let me see
00:56:11 <gammafunk> damn
00:56:14 <gammafunk> it won't
00:56:39 <gammafunk> good job on ruining fun, devs
01:54:46 <checkers> !source _post_init
01:54:46 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/startup.cc#L240
01:55:35 <minmay> how come I can't hop while starving? it has no hunger cost...
02:09:17 <checkers> can you use any ability while starving?
02:16:28 <minmay> vitalisation
02:16:41 <minmay> renounce religion
02:16:49 <minmay> bat form
02:18:41 <minmay> !source ability.cc:1630
02:18:42 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc#L1630
02:19:03 <minmay> all of these
02:20:01 <minmay> oh, i guess not vitalisation anymore, I know it fed you for a while though
02:20:18 <minmay> if the cost is "None" I expect it to be usable while starving
02:53:06 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-94-gdd6ab6a
03:13:56 -!- Menche is now known as Menche_
03:25:51 <gammafunk> hrm, what dictates whether a feature gets color inversion when items are on it
03:27:43 <nikheizen> i do
03:37:08 <minmay> i think it just happens for everything except water and floor?
03:37:29 <minmay> and doors
03:37:42 <gammafunk> do you know the relevant source line?
03:37:49 <gammafunk> it's not happening for this feature I'm testing with
03:38:35 <gammafunk> doesn't happen the usual way with fountains
03:38:58 <gammafunk> just ignores that the feature exists
03:38:58 <minmay> !source travel_colour_override
03:38:59 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/viewmap.cc#L65
03:39:24 <minmay> i think this is related?
03:40:16 <minmay> hm, I guess not
03:50:57 <gammafunk> ah
03:51:24 <gammafunk> !source showsymb.cc:475
03:51:24 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/showsymb.cc#L475
03:52:04 <gammafunk> so it sees if the feature allows a command or is an altar
03:52:14 <gammafunk> or a malign gateway
03:54:49 <minmay> damn, I was very close but I was looking one case down from there
03:57:51 <nikheizen> oi how do i set to always more me on a xom chat
03:58:16 <nikheizen> some kinda if you god xom then more += channel = god end thing?
03:58:54 <nikheizen> anyone have such a thing in their rcfile
03:59:55 <checkers> &rc .
03:59:56 <Sequell> https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/trunk/chequers.rc
04:00:14 <checkers> see # Xom effects
04:00:23 <checkers> you have to save and reload after worshipping xom though, if you do that
04:00:32 <nikheizen> thanks bae
04:01:46 <nikheizen> well i have to save to edit my rc anyhow
04:06:09 <checkers> i mean in future games
04:07:41 <nikheizen> oh
04:07:42 <nikheizen> huh
04:09:00 <checkers> the rc lua is evaluated on startup only
04:29:26 <nikheizen> ah
04:29:35 <nikheizen> so if you start it says "you're not xom"
04:29:53 <nikheizen> but when you load back in while worpshipping xom it says "okay you're xom"
06:42:14 <gammafunk> ??out of depths
06:42:14 <Sequell> out of depths ~ out of depth ~ orb of destruction[1/8]: Iskenderun's Orb of Destruction - level 7 pure conjuration homing missile spell. Moves at speed 30 with inertia - if something casts this at you, sidestep, but watch out behind you! It does less damage at short range; at melee range it only does about half damage. Only in the book of Power and randart books.
06:42:28 <gammafunk> !learn set out_of_depth[1] Crawl sometimes generates unusually hard monsters to keep you on your toes. The maximum possible is a 9 level difference, or 5 on D:1; add random2avg(27,2) as a special farmer penalty which only triggers after ~1k turns and is quite rare even then. Other times when something seems overly powerful, it's just a vault -- e.g. death yak guarding the lair.
06:42:28 <Sequell> out of depth[1/1]: Crawl sometimes generates unusually hard monsters to keep you on your toes. The maximum possible is a 9 level difference, or 5 on D:1; add random2avg(27,2) as a special farmer penalty which only triggers after ~1k turns and is quite rare even then. Other times when something seems overly powerful, it's just a vault -- e.g. death yak guarding the lair.
06:42:36 <gammafunk> ??ood[2
06:42:36 <Sequell> orb of destruction[2/8]: Monsters with shields might block the orbs. If two orbs collide they will explode with radius 1 and Gong-level noise (40). Orbs that haven't travelled more than one square dissipate instead of exploding.
06:42:42 <gammafunk> ??ood[3
06:42:42 <Sequell> orb of destruction[3/8]: Does 9d(pow / 4) damage, but power gets an extra stepdown and will never exceed 87. Power is further reduced by 50/30/10 percent if the orb has only traveled 1/2/3 spaces.
06:42:45 <gammafunk> ??ood[4
06:42:45 <Sequell> orb of destruction[4/8]: OODs are not quantized! A new OOD is generated on the caster's position, aimed at the exact trajectory toward its destination, then perturbed in both position (0.25 of a tile left or right perpendicular to its direction) and angle. Finally it is advanced one move and then loses energy (1, 1.5 or 2 moves' worth). OODs made in bulk spread further.
09:36:55 <advil> hm, if you rebase while merging a PR manually does that preserve the original authorship information?
09:49:24 <advil> unbrace doesn't catch "if (a) {"?
09:54:36 <advil> I guess just by squashing onto the first commit authorship information was preserved
09:59:53 <Cheibriados> 03suomenusko02 {advil} 07* 0.21-a0-95-g06f091e: Change oka and trog acquirement texts to be more informative 10(32 hours ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06f091eb7428
10:03:31 <advil> it seems I did that almost right except that the github web interface didn't figure out that I merged the PR
10:07:43 <advil> maybe because I pulled their PR comment into the commit message while rebasing?
10:09:37 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-95-g06f091e (34)
10:10:12 <advil> ah maybe it was just that I rebased at all
10:28:24 <advil> checkers: did you do something to resolve https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11131, or did it resolve itself somehow? Looks like there's maybe some longstanding mysterious issue with lock files?
10:28:39 <advil> i.e. wondering whether I should close that issue or not
10:33:40 <advil> maybe it's https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6509
12:47:44 <Rotatell> espais (L27 GrFi) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 4171: Invalid item: (quantity: 0) lajatang (freeze) (Depths:4)
16:05:30 <Eximium> Hey Guys- having some serious frustrations trying to get Crawl to compile a tiles build on Windows
16:05:45 <Eximium> In file included from src/haptic/windows/../../joystick/windows/SDL_dxjoystick_c.h:42:0,                 from src/haptic/windows/SDL_syshaptic.c:34: c:\msys64\mingw64\x86_64-w64-mingw32\include\xinput.h:182:3: note: previous declaration of 'XINPUT_GAMEPAD_EX' was here } XINPUT_GAMEPAD_EX, *PXINPUT_GAMEPAD_EX;   ^~~~~
16:06:51 <Eximium> looks like there was probably an update to mingw or SDL that means following the setup guide that comes with the source code doesn't work
16:07:16 <Eximium> tried commenting out the lines in question in only one file, but then they weren't found at all
16:07:29 <Eximium> anyone have any advice for a fix/workaround?
16:14:50 <johnstein> is there a guide on setting up a crawl dev environment on Windows?
16:20:02 <Eximium> @johnstein in the https://github.com/guyht/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt list
16:20:44 <|amethyst> Eximium:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42560435/is-the-current-version-of-mingw64-incompatible-with-the-sdl-libraries-compiler   suggests commenting out the definition of XINPUT_GAMEPAD_EX in contrib/sdl2/src/joystick/windows/SDL_dxjoystick_c.h
16:20:44 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:24:44 <Eximium> @amethyst trying now thanks
16:27:57 <|amethyst> For a more general fix (that works with both old and new mingw) I think we'll have to wait for an update to SDL
16:32:19 <Eximium> yeah. commenting it out didn't work- might want to make a note in INSTALL.txt that compiling with mingw doesn't work at the moment
18:03:49 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-95-g06f091e (34)
18:06:56 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA
18:10:14 -!- jefus- is now known as jefus
18:26:34 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche
20:04:11 <checkers> advil: not resolved
20:04:21 <checkers> advil: there is a weird longstanding issue and i'm clueless what the cause is
20:04:36 <checkers> however it seems to happen when people change stairs around xx:00
20:05:16 <checkers> the next step is probably setting up filesystem auditing and seeing what happens to crawl files around that time
20:19:53 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
21:58:04 <checkers> hellmonk: did you see my little proof of concept for challenge mode? what do you think of the idea now?
21:58:05 <Wander> hello
21:58:16 <hellmonk> yeah I saw it
21:58:20 <hellmonk> seems pretty cool
22:00:07 <Wander> I'd like to submit some new vaults, but I'm a little confused. I'm at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/bug_report_page.php  but should I paste the maps in the description box or attach a txt file with the maps inside?
22:00:15 <Wander> sorry if this is a dumb question
22:00:17 <checkers> Wander: do you know how to use git?
22:00:23 <CanOfWorms> you can attach a file
22:00:31 <Wander> no :(  not a programmer in the slightest
22:00:46 <CanOfWorms> you should add a description of what the idea behind the vaults are in the actual description page
22:01:11 <Wander> should I upload one map at a time or all at once? I have 10 vaults
22:01:28 <CanOfWorms> you can upload all at onnce
22:01:28 <checkers> latter
22:01:38 <Wander> ok, thank you very much!
22:01:40 <CanOfWorms> look up cheibrodos's mantis submissions, he submits vaults in this manner
22:15:41 <gammafunk> but may cheibrodos is just trying to torment me
22:15:48 <gammafunk> *maybe
22:30:37 <ProzacElf> are you saying that submitting vaults is a good way to torment you?
22:30:39 <ProzacElf> =p
22:36:22 <Wander> I submitted them. Hope they're ok
22:36:53 <Wander> Btw, will I be getting an email or something once the vaults are accepted or denied?
22:37:48 <Cheibriados> New arrival vaults 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11132 by WanderingBlade
22:45:19 <amalloy> Wander: mantis should email you for activity on the issue, including closing it
22:47:06 <Wander> thanks amalloy :)
23:59:33 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-95-g06f091e (34)