00:00:00 <gammafunk> that link doesn't seem to work for me
00:00:09 <gammafunk> all I see is a single '1'
00:00:34 <palyth> you dont see the whole vault listing (all 25 lines)?
00:00:38 <gammafunk> nope
00:00:59 <palyth> ok, i will jsut paste bin...that is weird. codeshare is nice cause you live edit
00:01:09 <gammafunk> just a single character in what looks like the code display area
00:01:16 <gammafunk> a 1 in the upper-left
00:01:36 <gammafunk> yeah linux google chrome, if that makes a diff
00:01:36 <palyth> https://pastebin.com/03gUi6Za
00:03:10 <gammafunk> yeah, that's a very minimal way to clean that up, although the vault is still quite plain
00:03:31 <gammafunk> the fixed monster positions can be improved
00:03:43 <palyth> fair enough...i can fix that
00:03:47 <gammafunk> by using some special glyphs for the floor
00:03:56 <gammafunk> like you could put down some e..g - glyphs
00:03:58 <palyth> but the monster list is more inline with what you were looking for
00:03:59 <gammafunk> *e.g.
00:04:21 <palyth> what is the - glyph do?
00:04:22 <gammafunk> yeah, it fixes the basic problem of "3 hydra in one vault", but you also don't randomize the numbers
00:04:33 <gammafunk> you'd define it to do whatever you want, what I mean in this case is
00:04:44 <gammafunk> on, say, three sections of floor you use - instead of .
00:05:04 <gammafunk> and do NSUBST: - = 1 / 2:2 / .
00:05:06 <gammafunk> for example
00:05:19 <gammafunk> replace one - with a 1, two - with 2s and the rest with .
00:05:25 <gammafunk> so that placement is randomized
00:05:41 <gammafunk> you might get things grouped together, which can be a bit more interesting if the player wakes them up
00:06:10 <gammafunk> so in your vault you would place a bunch of - instead of .
00:06:18 <palyth> yeah i gottcha
00:06:20 <gammafunk> the - glyph is just an arbitrary symbol to use
00:06:28 <gammafunk> you could add simple fog machines on the little ponds
00:06:31 <gammafunk> for visuals
00:06:47 <palyth> i am still trying to get a grasph on all the functions and what they can be used for...so this is very helpful
00:06:54 <gammafunk> you could try sometimes placing swamp worms or tyrant leeches in those ponds as well, possibly instead of placing those 2
00:07:27 <palyth> ok, let me take another swing at this...i will have something tomorrow evening
00:07:32 <gammafunk> see swamp_mist_pool for an example of using the fog machine
00:07:35 <gammafunk> yeah there's no rush
00:07:42 <gammafunk> it's good to iterate on the vault, see how much you can do
00:07:50 <palyth> absolutely
00:07:53 <palyth> thanks
00:08:07 <gammafunk> this vault doesn't place too many monsters, so you don't need to playtest a lot, but there's still a lot you can do even when only placing e.g. 3-5 monsters
00:08:11 <gammafunk> in terms of variety
00:09:09 <palyth> yeah. I will look at some other vaults to get some ideas. working on this a good break for failing on my attempts to win a felid.
00:09:23 <gammafunk> yeah, it's great to look at other vaults for inspiration
00:09:32 <gammafunk> and feel free to stop by and ask questions if you run into probs
00:09:37 <palyth> will do
00:18:27 <minmay> congrats Lasty on accidentally finding another bug
00:25:09 <gammafunk> minmay: you know, I seem to vaguely recall grunt wanting to amp up the effect of arc blade when he was first testing it
00:25:18 <gammafunk> so it's possible that was intentional
00:29:11 <minmay> gammafunk: It seems unlikely that "potentially cast static discharge 11 times" is intentional but ok
00:31:42 <gammafunk> minmay: did you see this http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5545dd3c9da8
00:36:33 <minmay> gammafunk: no
00:37:00 <minmay> gammafunk: but that one only discharges once into the monster
00:37:13 <minmay> which makes perfect sense to me
00:37:57 <minmay> if you were going to buff it I'd expect a spellpower increase instead of multiplying the damage by 1+random2(random_range(1,3)+pow/20)
00:38:18 <minmay> but I guess if this is intended and not going to be nerfed, I'm not complaining :P
00:47:00 <n1> can we make it work with fsim while we're at it
00:58:58 <gammafunk> yeah I'm not super sure if grunt actually realized the result of that change, but I'm sure he tested it on monsters and saw the damage it was doing
02:11:21 <Cheibriados> Using ranged weapons near allies should have confirmation prompt 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11128 by Lavandula
02:52:53 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-91-ga5031da
04:05:42 -!- svendre_ is now known as svendre
06:20:27 <Cheibriados> Bad message order 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11129 by Yermak
06:25:38 <Cheibriados> Monsters don't use ranged weapons of penetration when there is something between them and player 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11130 by Lavandula
10:27:41 <advil> !crashlog ofeo
10:27:44 <Sequell> 5. Ofeo, XL19 BaHu, T:36090 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Ofeo/crash-Ofeo-20170630-001453.txt
10:30:41 <advil> segfault huh
10:32:16 <advil> !cmd !crashlog
10:32:16 <Sequell> Command: !crashlog => !lm ${*:-*} crash -log
10:50:21 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
11:47:53 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-92-g7bf63f6: Convert a segfault into an ASSERT failure 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7bf63f6c59ec
11:48:11 <advil> there, problem solved
12:09:38 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-92-g7bf63f6 (34)
14:01:15 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb
14:03:17 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin
14:34:07 <Cheibriados> Crash on stairs to new level: Unable to open lock file. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11131 by stoneychips
14:51:18 <Eksell> p0werm0de (L27 DsWn)  (Zig:17)
15:52:23 <Eksell> p0werm0de (L27 DsWn) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1569: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Zig:15)
16:05:03 <minmay> so on a scale of 1 to won't happen, how hard is it to fix the bug where autoexplore thinks monsters are harmless just because they are behind a bush
16:05:24 <minmay> because i freely admit to having no idea what that code looks like
18:03:52 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-92-g7bf63f6 (34)
18:12:04 <advil> !crashlog
18:12:04 <Sequell> 17870. PublicChat, XL1 TrCK, T:1 (milestone): https://webzook.net/soup/morgue/0.19/PublicChat/crash-PublicChat-20170630-200001.txt
18:12:04 <advil> !crashlog p0werm0de
18:12:05 <Sequell> 11. p0werm0de, XL27 DsWn, T:109836 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/p0werm0de/crash-p0werm0de-20170630-195202.txt
18:23:34 <advil> !crashlog p0werm0de -2
18:23:36 <Sequell> 10/11. p0werm0de, XL27 DsWn, T:105240 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/p0werm0de/crash-p0werm0de-20170630-185054.txt
18:25:38 <advil> why is penetration suddenly an issue with the last 24hrs
19:21:02 <amalloy> advil: have there been other instances?
19:22:48 <amalloy> the powermode one looks like another instance of a common kind of error: a reaction of some sort attacks a monster which is already dead. here it looks like an interaction between cleaving riposte and penetration
19:23:23 <geekosaur> %git
19:23:23 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.21-a0-92-g7bf63f6: Convert a segfault into an ASSERT failure 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7bf63f6c59ec
19:23:51 <geekosaur> which is still another example of that, yes
19:24:29 <amalloy> ah, not quite what i said. the attacker is what got killed by the reaction, not the attacked monster
19:26:50 <minmay> I'm surprised that cleaving riposte alone even works properly
21:13:21 -!- buki_ is now known as buki
23:53:59 <Cheibriados> 03Mark Donahue02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.21-a0-93-g41815f1: A stone intersection mini vault. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/41815f116dff
23:53:59 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-94-gdd6ab6a: Move vaults to the proper section in a des file 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 62+ 64-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd6ab6a78e50
23:54:46 <gammafunk> |amethyst: do you have the rights to update the development branch on mantis to 0.21 (from 0.20)?
23:54:51 <gammafunk> not sure if I can do that or not
23:59:32 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-94-gdd6ab6a (34)