00:08:33 <n1> !seen brannock
00:08:34 <Sequell> I last saw Brannock at Sun May 28 05:09:13 2017 UTC (4w 2d 22h 59m 21s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'.
00:09:15 <amalloy> rip
00:12:17 <n1> I was hoping to float a silly change to an animal monster name
00:12:39 <n1> sea snake -> sea krait
01:20:09 <aditya> amalloy: thanks for DCSS videos again :)
01:24:21 <Cheibriados> 03Alex Jurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/563 * 0.21-a0-90-g80e3981: Rebalance again 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80e398137535
01:27:30 <amalloy> i'm glad there are people enjoying them, aditya
01:28:31 <amalloy> i feel like Dr is a fairly strong species that i play pretty badly. every time i play a Dr it just feels like i get so weak in the mid game
01:32:53 <aditya> amalloy: After many failed attempts I only have a DrBe win so...
01:33:07 <amalloy> !won . dr
01:33:11 <Sequell> amalloy (dr) has won 3 times in 25 games (12.00%): 1xDrCj 1xDrIE 1xDrSu
01:33:26 <amalloy> maybe i should stop playing Dr spellcasters
01:47:17 <gammafunk> oh, you won the drsu already?
01:47:20 <gammafunk> !lm amalloy dr
01:47:27 <gammafunk> oh wait
01:47:38 <gammafunk> that wasn't drsu, that was drcj wasn't it
01:47:46 <amalloy> that won drcj was ages ago
01:47:51 <gammafunk> hrm
01:47:54 <amalloy> current game is another drcj, not won yet
01:48:00 <Sequell> 465. [2017-06-25 08:18:40] amalloy the Impaler (L19 DrCj of Hepliaklqana) entered the Depths on turn 55441. (D:15)
01:58:04 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-91-ga5031da
01:58:38 <gammafunk> ah, ok, I wasn't imagining things at least
01:59:15 <gammafunk> Dr mages are fun anyhow, I don't blame you much for playing them
02:07:36 <aditya> !won . dr
02:07:41 <Sequell> aditya (dr) has won once in 10 games (10.00%): 1xDrBe
02:08:09 <aditya> drcj makes sense. If you take drfe - invest in fire magic and get -1 it pisses you off. Though not too bad.
02:33:30 <gammafunk> yeah, odds of that happening are low, but at the same time if it does happen and you care, you can move to another school pretty easilly in many cases
02:34:03 <gammafunk> go earth and enjoy the charming delights of bolt of magma
02:52:55 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-91-ga5031da
03:06:54 <aditya> yeah
03:07:05 <aditya> I just got banished twice from same level
03:07:12 <aditya> survived both times - sadly could not get the rune.
04:01:38 <ProzacElf> gammafunk: bolt of magma; slightly more charming than venom bolt
04:19:17 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
10:57:20 -!- Rjs- is now known as Rjs
12:15:39 -!- Smee is now known as Guest72493
13:02:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
15:04:59 <ProzacElf> i read a ?brand weapon then forgot to come back to the game before my session timed out
15:05:09 <ProzacElf> and when i reloaded it just burned the scroll
15:05:17 <ProzacElf> is that expected/designed behavior?
15:07:58 <geekosaur> that sounds wrong but I think timeout (specifically, SIGHUP) has to be specifically handled by those prompts so it's not surprising
15:09:41 <ProzacElf> yeah, i'm not entirely surprised
15:09:48 <ProzacElf> and i don't miss the scroll that badly
15:10:01 <ProzacElf> since if i had a good target i would have just picked it
15:10:17 <ProzacElf> but i was debating on whether or not i wanted to take disto off my battleaxe
15:10:24 <ProzacElf> then walked away and forgot about it more or less
15:10:45 <ProzacElf> just feels bad to totally waste a rare scroll =p
15:11:41 <ProzacElf> basically was just wondering if i should file a mantis ticket or not bother
15:12:20 <geekosaur> I would file it, dunno how high a priority it'd be but it's best to know about these
15:12:46 <ProzacElf> k
15:13:59 <ProzacElf> incidentally, the product branch tab needs updated i think
15:14:20 <ProzacElf> trunk is listed as "long-term development"
15:18:33 <geekosaur> yes, iirc that is pending nap*kin intervention?
15:26:39 -!- greensna1k is now known as greensnark
15:26:41 <ProzacElf> oh
15:26:43 <ProzacElf> haha
15:27:22 <ProzacElf> we have a lot of people that we don't like to ping who are not really keeping up with things it seems like =p
15:28:08 <greensnark> !tell |amethyst I'm planning to fix Sequell to ignore duplicated lg/lm rows, probably just sha-2 hash the row and drop dupes, since this keeps happening often
15:28:08 <Sequell> greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
15:28:13 <Sequell> greensnark: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
15:28:36 <geekosaur> speaking of...
15:28:40 <ProzacElf> haha
15:28:51 <ProzacElf> that was not specifically directed at you greensnark, i swear!
15:30:17 <Cheibriados> Webtiles time-out results in lost scroll 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11126 by prozacelf
15:30:28 <greensnark> ProzacElf: too late!
15:30:40 <greensnark> The spider assassin bots are already en route
15:31:07 <johnstein> greensnark:  have you noticed any sequell slowdowns lately ?
15:31:07 <Sequell> johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
15:31:21 <greensnark> I haven't noticed much of anything lately :P
15:31:23 <geekosaur> johnstein, that's what the message to |amethyst was about
15:31:27 <johnstein> hah
15:31:31 <johnstein> oops
15:31:47 <johnstein> I hadn't scrolled up yet
15:31:54 <ProzacElf> nooooooooo
15:32:03 <ProzacElf> not the spider-bots!
15:32:16 <johnstein> I just saw greensnark and made sure I caught him
15:33:25 <gammafunk> greensnark: thanks for that dup fix, I can't brag about my stats when they're so wrong like that! :)
15:33:49 <greensnark> I haven't fixed it yet :D
15:34:14 <gammafunk> *future fix; for the time being I'll just make up stats to brag about
15:34:37 <gammafunk> !won
15:34:48 <Sequell> gammafunk has won 80 times in 796 games (10.05%): 2xDsFi 2xHOWz 2xHuNe 2xNaWn 2xOpSu 2xOpTm 2xSpEn 2xTrGl 1xBaNe 1xBaWn 1xCeAM 1xCeAr 1xDDGl 1xDDHe 1xDEAs 1xDEEn 1xDgEE 1xDgWn 1xDrCK 1xDrMo 1xDrNe 1xDrTm 1xDsDK 1xDsNe 1xFeCK 1xFeCj 1xFoAK 1xFoVM 1xGhEE 1xGhMo 1xGrAs 1xGrDK 1xGrIE 1xGrWn 1xHECK 1xHEFi 1xHEWr 1xHOAs 1xHOFE 1xHaAM 1xHaAr 1xHaCj 1xHuSk 1xHuSu 1xHuTm 1xKoAr 1xKoEn 1xKoHu 1xKoMo 1xMfAM ...
15:34:52 <gammafunk> !oneandwon
15:34:56 <Sequell> Chars won first try for gammafunk: 2x TrGl, 2x DsFi, GrIE, DDGl, DrCK, DrMo, DrNe, VpSu, BaNe, GhMo, GrAs, CeAr, HuSu, HuTm, KoEn, KoMo, MfAM, OgAE, SpHu, TrWr, BaWn, VSCj
15:35:05 <gammafunk> it does look neat have two oneandwons for the same char
15:35:15 <ProzacElf> lol
15:35:31 <ProzacElf> way to win trgl twice on your first try
15:35:40 <gammafunk> you just have to be really really good
15:36:10 <ProzacElf> i assume you just have to hack gozag's duplicate ability back in =p
15:36:13 <ProzacElf> 2 orbs = 2 wins
15:36:19 <gammafunk> good idea
15:37:17 <gammafunk> well, if sequell can automatically fix itself
15:37:31 <gammafunk> I suppose that means we can simply fix the broken logfiles and rebuild the CAO DB?
15:38:18 <gammafunk> I suppose ideally the CAO DB would also know how to detect and not process duplicates
16:19:47 <minmay> why does a monster hitting me with spellbinder cause miscast effects on me when i don't even have any spells memorized
17:08:57 <kogasa> don't want to encourage scummy behavior where you use sif to forget every spell because you find a monster with spellbinder
17:09:26 <kogasa> (why is spellbinder still even a thing)
17:23:34 <advil> ??spellbinders
17:23:35 <Sequell> spellbinders ~ spellbinder[1/4]: the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}; causes miscast effects on spell-using targets related to the kind of spells they cast.
17:23:45 <advil> ??spellbinder[2
17:23:45 <Sequell> spellbinder[2/4]: !lg minmay 2940 -tv:<T116000:>T116100
17:23:47 <advil> ??spellbinder[3
17:23:48 <Sequell> spellbinder[3/4]: !lm SGrunt spsk uniq=the_Enchantress -tv:<0.2:>0.2
17:23:48 <advil> ??spellbinder[4
17:23:49 <Sequell> spellbinder[4/4]: !lg * cikiller~~Spellbinder 2 -tv
17:23:55 <advil> I had no idea that the target mattered
17:23:58 <MarvinPA> minmay: because players are susceptible to antimagic generally, whether they know spells or not
17:24:30 <MarvinPA> !learn edit spellbinder[1] / related to.*/./
17:24:31 <Sequell> Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
17:24:41 <MarvinPA> !learn edit spellbinder[1] s/ related to.*/./
17:24:41 <Sequell> spellbinder[1/4]: the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}; causes miscast effects on spell-using targets.
17:24:49 <MarvinPA> !learn edit spellbinder[1] s/miscast/random miscast/
17:24:50 <Sequell> spellbinder[1/4]: the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}; causes random miscast effects on spell-using targets.
17:25:10 <MarvinPA> !learn edit spellbinder[1] s/spell-using/antimagic-susceptible/
17:25:11 <Sequell> spellbinder[1/4]: the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}; causes random miscast effects on antimagic-susceptible targets.
17:25:57 <advil> !source player::antimagic_susceptible
17:25:57 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-act.cc#L813
17:25:59 <advil> that's why
17:29:22 <advil> ah, yeah, the target's spells don't matter
17:30:17 <advil> aside from the antimagic mask I guess
17:30:51 <MarvinPA> it used to be the case that the miscast school would be randomly chosen from the spell schools the target knows, which was extremely silly
17:31:55 <MarvinPA> and made it not work on daevas! because they cast spells but smiting doesn't have any school so no miscasts
17:32:19 <advil> heh
17:46:21 <gammafunk> well obviously the solution is to add a Holy magic school
17:46:40 <gammafunk> Divine magic....Divinations?!?!
17:47:23 <geekosaur> heh
19:30:40 <minmay> MarvinPA: huh, I thought it still did that
19:33:40 <MarvinPA> it was a relatively recent change, i probably noticed you complaining about it at some point or other
19:33:48 <MarvinPA> %git :/Spellbinder
19:33:48 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.20-a0-791-gf6451d4: Simplify Spellbinder miscasts 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f6451d4cd6cb
21:21:54 <minmay> looks like you can determine whether a non-digging wand is empty or not, without wasting charges, by trying to zap it at yourself
21:22:18 <minmay> get a prompt? it's not empty
21:22:23 <minmay> and you can answer no and keep the charges
21:22:38 <minmay> if it is empty you get "nothing appears to happen" with no prompt
21:24:53 <amalloy> minmay: this wastes a turn if it's empty, at least, right?
21:25:01 <amalloy> (obviously should still be fixed)
21:26:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:26:53 <minmay> amalloy: yes
21:50:11 <Lasty> "Car Dip's Assorted Antiques"
22:40:05 <ProzacElf> mmm
22:40:06 <ProzacElf> car dip
22:40:16 <ProzacElf> it's like fun dip
22:40:19 <ProzacElf> but for cars!
22:41:20 -!- fiyawerx_ is now known as fiyawerx
23:50:24 <gammafunk> nikheizen: couple of general comments about style since I won't have time to go into your vaults in greater detail
23:51:06 <gammafunk> 1) use normal monsters lists whenevery possible, using 1-7 in either increasing or decreasing order of "difficulty", to the extent that makes sense
23:51:55 <gammafunk> using KMONS you can do things like KMONS: G = <statue monster> is not helpful, but being able to look at a vault and see "number means some kind of monsters" is
23:52:49 <gammafunk> so it's nice if you can aim for both consistency with other vaults and consistency within your own vault; I like to use lower-case glyphs for opaque/impassable features, since that's sort of a thing with our own default definitions, but it's not really required
23:53:28 <gammafunk> you can use upper-case letters for things you randomize, whether those are features or possibly monsters, but monsters on numbers is good to do whenevery possible
23:54:39 <gammafunk> second is try to avoid conditioning too many things on e.g. depths; changing monsters as you go deeper is one thing, but conditioning feature placement is not super necessary
23:55:25 <gammafunk> and generally for our vault style we avoid one statment per line and actually use commas to group e.g. multiple NSUBST per line
23:57:45 <gammafunk> final thing is to use a des statement if you can to avoid lua conditions, so you can simply do SUBST: G = G... instead of conditioning the KMONS statement
23:57:55 <gammafunk> like you did https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/554/commits/76277c9b76228456aed15e679cf74ec98671db7d#diff-ac3f1c9ef1c4d5fe9c3c2f21765e8cfcR8929