01:35:59 <gammafunk> minmay: yeah, as long as your turncount was high enough to generate that super OOD
01:36:07 <gammafunk> but you said something like 200 turns on the level, which had me worried
01:36:22 <gammafunk> or at least I thought you had said that at first, but you said you were unsure
01:45:57 <gammafunk> http://i.imgur.com/h5SpjcQ.png
01:45:58 <gammafunk> oopsie
01:46:46 <gammafunk> from a tele trap :)
01:53:02 <amalloy> !vault dpeg_arrival_solitude
01:53:03 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/arrival/twisted.des#L272
01:56:45 <minmay> I definitely did not say 200, it was like 1000
02:03:12 <gammafunk> oh ok, maybe I just misread what you had said
02:04:13 <gammafunk> 04:54:55 <minmay> i didn't count the exact turns when i saw it but it's possible after only like 200 turns on D:2, iirc
02:04:29 <gammafunk> yeah that's what I was remembering, but that's not you saying how long you were on th elevel
02:04:32 <gammafunk> *level
02:04:43 <Cheibriados> dpeg_arrival_solitude has a teleport closet 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11109 by amalloy
02:04:45 <gammafunk> generating a shapeshifter as OOD shouldn't be possible after 200 turns
02:05:24 <gammafunk> but after like 1k or w/e it would be, since super OOD start up at that point
02:05:39 <gammafunk> normal OOD shouldn't give a monster depth past 7
02:06:08 <gammafunk> yeah I guess that's just a bad shuffle
02:07:14 <gammafunk> looks more just like some bad subst, not even sure what dpeg was going for there
02:07:17 <gammafunk> I can fix
02:08:24 <amalloy> i think you can just change the line to: SUBST:   ([ = x
02:08:35 <amalloy> but i'm not sure if that messes up some aesthetic
02:09:15 <amalloy> looks fine to me in testing, i'll commit unless you disagree
02:10:00 <gammafunk> amalloy: I think it's trying to place multiple exits
02:10:09 <gammafunk> well, tell you what, go ahead and commit that
02:10:09 <amalloy> i don't think so
02:10:18 <gammafunk> I can look at it and improve it
02:10:21 <amalloy> it replaces all the exits but one with .
02:10:22 <amalloy> okay
02:10:25 <gammafunk> but might as well fix it now
02:11:13 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07* 0.21-a0-56-g828620c: Fix a teleport closet in dpeg_arrival_solitude (Slave-to-Armok) 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/828620c7301e
02:11:20 <gammafunk> there's another bad vault I never got around to fixing, I might as well do it now
02:12:43 <nikheizen> where's a good place to start if i want to make some vaults
02:12:52 <nikheizen> documentation in the repo?
02:13:12 <amalloy> nikheizen: i started by just reading a bunch of vaults and trying to guess what it all does. but there is decent documentation too
02:13:34 <amalloy> docs/develop/levels/
02:13:46 <nikheizen> thankie
02:20:33 <nikheizen> also, does anyone know the name of the fire dragon runed door lair end? spiral shape with lava snakes, komodos, and molten gargoyles?
02:21:43 <amalloy> !vault cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot
02:21:43 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#L3146
02:25:48 <nikheizen> thanks
02:26:15 <gammafunk> docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt will be a required reference, and I think there's an intro doc
02:26:28 <gammafunk> but I haven't looked at that in a rather long time
02:26:34 <gammafunk> but I still use syntax.txt all the time
02:27:15 <nikheizen> yeah, im reading intro.txt right now
02:27:30 <nikheizen> are all the endvaults in lair.des equally weighted?
02:28:08 <gammafunk> uh I want to say there are some this non-standard weights due to them getting vetoes
02:28:11 <gammafunk> but most have default weight of 10
02:28:21 <gammafunk> lair has a mechanism where it sometimes places two smaller vaults
02:28:28 <gammafunk> those have their own tags, the ones that can do that
02:28:42 <gammafunk> many like hotspot will the the only "ending vault" placed
02:29:01 <nikheizen> yeah i noticed that
02:29:35 <nikheizen> i guess it's just confirmation bias, but i have been running into hotspot a lot. was wondering if the weight was higher
02:29:43 <gammafunk> yeah lair in review
02:30:00 <gammafunk> has weight 14 because of placement problems it can have, to make it more common
02:30:05 <gammafunk> no, it's normal weight
02:30:14 <gammafunk> however, it might indeed place more frequently due to its shape
02:30:30 <gammafunk> if a vault causes a veto the level builder scraps the level and tries again, selecting a new vault
02:31:03 <gammafunk> !lairendkills hotspot2
02:31:05 <Sequell> Lair End kills (hotspot2): 101x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (13.08%), 95x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (12.31%), 82x cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot (10.62%), 73x hangedman_lair_in_review (9.46%), 67x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (8.68%), 64x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (8.29%), 63x wormcave (8.16%), 61x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (7.90%), 56x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (7.25%), 47x evil_forest (...
02:31:16 <gammafunk> !lairendkills current
02:31:17 <Sequell> Lair End kills (current): 54x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (14.48%), 49x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (13.14%), 45x cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot (12.06%), 34x hangedman_lair_in_review (9.12%), 32x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (8.58%), 31x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (8.31%), 30x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (8.04%), 28x wormcave (7.51%), 27x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (7.24%), 20x evil_forest (5....
02:32:11 <gammafunk> !abyssrunevaultkills current
02:32:12 <Sequell> Abyss rune vault kills (current): 23x nicolae_abyss_rune_left_handed (19.83%), 11x nicolae_abyss_rune_star_stuff (9.48%), 9x grunt_abyss_rune_wretched_hive (7.76%), 9x evilmike_abyss_rune_elephants_shrine (7.76%), 9x evilmike_abyss_rune_tso_outpost (7.76%), 8x dshaligram_kb_abyss_rune_zappy_water_cross (6.90%), 8x due_evilmike_abyss_rune_seething_liches (6.90%), 7x hangedman_abyss_rune_macabre_mes...
02:32:30 <gammafunk> !abyssrunevaultkills current o=-N
02:32:31 <Sequell> Abyss rune vault kills (current o=-N): evilmike_nicolae_abyss_rune_betentacled_crabyss (0.86%), evilmike_nicolae_abyss_rune_containment_curve (0.86%), evilmike_abyss_rune_siren_acolytes (0.86%), 3x hangedman_grunt_abyss_rune_horror_hoard (2.59%), 3x evilmike_abyss_rune_ettins (2.59%), 4x hangedman_abyss_rune_flesh_and_stone (3.45%), 5x doesnt_abyss_rune_brain_food (4.31%), 7x hangedman_abyss_rune_...
02:32:51 <gammafunk> !cmd abyssrunevaultkills
02:32:51 <Sequell> Command: !abyssrunevaultkills => !lg * abyss kmap~~abyss_rune $* s=kmap% title:"Abyss rune vault kills ($*)"
02:33:11 <gammafunk> .gfgtr kmap~~reverse
02:33:12 <Sequell> 6. c0l the Axe Maniac (L20 MiBe of Trog), hit from afar by a white draconian stormcaller on Abyss:5 (gammafunk_abyss_rune_reverse_zot) on 2017-06-11 19:25:34, with 334462 points after 40076 turns and 1:47:08.
02:33:54 <gammafunk> !abyssrunevaultkills kmap~~reverse
02:33:55 <Sequell> Abyss rune vault kills (kmap~~reverse): 9x gammafunk_abyss_rune_reverse_zot (100.00%)
02:34:19 <gammafunk> hrm
02:34:22 <gammafunk> !kw current
02:34:23 <Sequell> Keyword: current => cv>=0.20
02:34:42 <gammafunk> !lg * kmap~~reverse_zot s=cv
02:34:44 <Sequell> 9 games for * (kmap~~reverse_zot): 6x 0.20, 2x 0.20-a, 0.21-a
02:35:04 <nikheizen> i definitely find ancient temple to be the hardest lair end on almost all characters
02:35:05 <gammafunk> oh I see, only 7 and it's cut off in the listing
02:35:26 <gammafunk> You need to become one with the waves
02:36:09 <nikheizen> bring back norris
02:36:17 <gammafunk> Imagine you're on a beautiful, sandy beach, just relaxing and having fun drinking choko daiquiris
02:36:28 <nikheizen> give him primal wave/blinkbolt hybrid spell
02:36:33 <nikheizen> call it ride the wave
02:36:49 <gammafunk> if you use your imagination like that, the vault becomes like a vacation
02:37:16 <gammafunk> I think frog pond tends to win due to...hrm maybe it's just the hydras + water
02:37:23 <gammafunk> !lg * current kmap~~frog_pond s=cikiller%
02:37:25 <Sequell> 54 games for * (current kmap~~frog_pond): 28x a spiny frog (51.85%), 12x a tyrant leech (22.22%), 6x a hydra (11.11%), 4x a blink frog (7.41%), 2x a vampire mosquito (3.70%), 2x a komodo dragon (3.70%)
02:37:41 <gammafunk> perhaps unsurprisingly, frogs are a factor
02:37:48 <gammafunk> !lg * current kmap~~ancient_temple s=cikiller%
02:37:49 <Sequell> 49 games for * (current kmap~~ancient_temple): 9x a rime drake (18.37%), 6x a polar bear (12.24%), 5x a dire elephant (10.20%), 5x a sea snake (10.20%), 5x a komodo dragon (10.20%), 4x a manticore (8.16%), 3x a hydra (6.12%), 3x a wind drake (6.12%), 3x a wyvern (6.12%), 2x an elephant (4.08%), a harpy (2.04%), a hornet (2.04%), a spiny frog (2.04%), a crocodile (2.04%)
02:38:00 <gammafunk> mine places less hydra so just be grateful
02:39:36 <nikheizen> !lg . lair recent s=cikiller%
02:39:38 <Sequell> 16 games for nikheizen (lair recent): 2x a merfolk (12.50%), 2x a hydra (12.50%), a komodo dragon (6.25%), a fire bat (6.25%), a hornet (6.25%), a wyvern (6.25%), Rupert (6.25%), a catoblepas (6.25%), an entropy weaver (6.25%), a polar bear (6.25%), a vampire mosquito (6.25%), a wolf (6.25%), a blink frog (6.25%), a basilisk (6.25%)
02:40:06 <minmay> !vault gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple
02:40:07 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#L3081
02:40:38 <nikheizen> !lg . lair:$ recent s=kmap
02:40:39 <Sequell> No games for nikheizen (lair:$ recent).
02:40:41 <minmay> huh I've never seen that one
02:41:22 <nikheizen> was that query right? have i really not died on L$ recently
02:41:33 <gammafunk> recent is 0.18+
02:41:37 <gammafunk> er
02:41:39 <gammafunk> 0.19+
02:41:45 <gammafunk> so yeah certainly possible
02:41:48 <minmay> !lg . recent lair:6
02:41:48 <nikheizen> !lg . lair:$ s=kmap
02:41:49 <Sequell> No games for minmay (recent lair:6).
02:41:50 <Sequell> No games for nikheizen (lair:$).
02:42:00 <gammafunk> !lg . lair:6
02:42:02 <Sequell> No games for gammafunk (lair:6).
02:42:11 <minmay> !lg . lair:$
02:42:12 <Sequell> No games for minmay (lair:$).
02:42:15 <gammafunk> haven't died casually on lair6
02:42:27 <nikheizen> hmmm
02:42:27 <gammafunk> !kw lair:$
02:42:27 <Sequell> Built-in: lair:$ => place=lair:$
02:42:29 <gammafunk> oh
02:42:40 <gammafunk> wow, does that work across branch length changes?
02:42:43 <gammafunk> !lg . lair:$
02:42:44 <Sequell> No games for gammafunk (lair:$).
02:42:46 <minmay> it doesn't work at all
02:42:58 <gammafunk> !lg . lair:8
02:43:00 <Sequell> 4. gammafunk the Basher (L14 NaWz of Ru), mangled by crauler's ghost on Lair:8 (special_room; special_room_bee) on 2014-07-30 17:51:01, with 52626 points after 27276 turns and 2:34:15.
02:43:02 <gammafunk> ah
02:43:04 <gammafunk> seems not
02:43:09 <minmay> !lg * lair:$
02:43:10 <Sequell> No games for * (lair:$).
02:43:15 <minmay> !lg * place=lair:$
02:43:16 <Sequell> No games for * (place=lair:$).
02:43:18 <nikheizen> !lg . lair:6
02:43:19 <Sequell> 2. nikheizen the Basher (L14 FoWz of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by a basilisk (kmap: kennysheep_basilisk_garden) on Lair:6 on 2017-06-08 12:22:38, with 32482 points after 23228 turns and 1:05:33.
02:43:25 <nikheizen> aha
02:43:47 <nikheizen> !lg . lair:6 s=kmap,ikiller
02:43:48 <Sequell> 2 games for nikheizen (lair:6): kennysheep_basilisk_garden (a basilisk), zaba_antful_of_joy (an entropy weaver)
02:44:01 <gammafunk> not even endvaults
02:44:15 <gammafunk> !lg . lair:8 s=kmap,cikiller
02:44:16 <Sequell> 4 games for gammafunk (lair:8): 2x ( a player ghost), evil_forest (a sun demon), guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (a dragon)
02:44:30 <gammafunk> those are end vaults though
02:46:34 <nikheizen> !lg . lair:8 s=kmap,ikiller
02:46:35 <Sequell> No games for nikheizen (lair:8).
02:50:40 <nikheizen> good reference to the traps & doors skill in this doc
02:51:56 <nikheizen> While it is true that Orc:1
02:52:13 <nikheizen> can show an orc knight, this is very rare. Hence it's probably a bad idea
02:52:15 <nikheizen> to use orc knights for an entry to the Orcish Mines.
02:52:32 <nikheizen> this is pretty old all over huh
02:56:03 <gammafunk> yeah, but it's a good orientation still
02:56:59 <gammafunk> I good way to get started is to read the des of a vault that's similar to the one you want to make, using syntax.txt to look up what you don't understand
02:58:00 <nikheizen> definitely going to be browsing through some vaults before i get to work
02:58:39 <nikheizen> better to post as pr or mantis issue
03:07:20 <ProzacElf> i haven't seen evil forest in a while
03:07:37 <ProzacElf> that sun demon used to cause me huge problems though
03:10:25 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-56-g828620c (34)
03:11:53 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-56-g828620c (34)
03:22:31 <gammafunk> yeah, there are a few more end vaults now
03:22:42 <gammafunk> so each one becomes more rare and you won't see one for a long time
03:23:09 <gammafunk> I got worm cave and I guess it's been a while since I've gotten it
03:23:29 <gammafunk> I was wondering that vault I got and had tyrant leeches randomly coming of no where
03:23:56 <gammafunk> and I didn't realize it meant I got worm cave
03:24:09 <gammafunk> since I definitely didn't have frog pond, which I think can also place some of those
04:06:46 <ProzacElf> haha
04:06:53 <ProzacElf> yeah, frog pond has leeches too
04:07:08 <ProzacElf> worm cave always messes with me more than i think it will
04:07:16 <ProzacElf> mainly due to the snails
04:10:12 <ProzacElf> rip agate snails
04:39:37 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
04:41:06 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
04:41:18 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
09:22:54 <advil> !crashlog
09:22:57 <Sequell> 17784. foxthekitsune, XL10 FeCK, T:12296 (milestone): https://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/foxthekitsune/crash-foxthekitsune-20170615-124553.txt
09:23:21 <advil> !crashlog -2
09:23:22 <Sequell> No milestones for -2 (crash).
09:23:26 <advil> !crashlog 2
09:23:27 <Sequell> No milestones for 2 (crash).
09:23:38 <advil> !crashlog Nivim
09:23:41 <Sequell> 6. Nivim, XL27 GrWn, T:147486 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nivim/crash-Nivim-20170615-084117.txt
09:24:36 <advil> ... 0.16-a0-4056-gee4db93
10:15:57 <Eksell> kuniqs (L27 VSFi) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(&mons)) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 1887 failed. (Geh:3)
10:59:42 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L11 DEVM)  (D:10)
11:35:30 <advil> !crashlog kuniqs
11:35:32 <Sequell> 9. kuniqs, XL27 VSFi, T:52220 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/kuniqs/crash-kuniqs-20170615-141535.txt
12:48:27 <advil> the instantaneous part of &z always messes me up
12:56:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
13:04:00 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-56-g828620c (34)
13:19:53 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-57-gdbfcba7: Prevent random xom crashes on felid revival 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dbfcba73ebbe
13:27:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:54:01 <Cheibriados> 03cut1less02 {advil} 07* 0.21-a0-58-g625dad4: Fix viable species/background option 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/625dad4402b2
13:55:43 <advil> hmm, someone who has permissions needs to add 0.21 development branch to mantis, I don't think I have the right permissions to do that
14:01:34 <advil> either that or I have no idea how to do it
14:09:47 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-58-g625dad4 (34)
14:25:42 <PalythWork> Is there a spot in the code, or documentation some where that defines the LUA objects. I am trying to find out what properties are on the item object specifically
14:39:22 <amalloy> PalythWork: i would look in l-item.cc
14:39:29 <PalythWork> ok
14:39:37 <PalythWork> thanks
14:39:56 <amalloy> no guarantees that's right, but it can't be a terrible starting point
14:40:13 <PalythWork> ok
15:09:57 <advil> %git 2f0009ae008b68c0616e9d33ff822b9d73b6857c
15:09:57 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.19-a0-247-g2f0009a: Annotate armour stashes for American spelling (xbon) 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f0009ae008b
16:33:06 <minmay> so staff of olgreb venom bolt targets me by default if there's no monster in range
16:33:15 <minmay> and if i press enter it hits me with venom bolt without a prompt because i have rpois
16:44:35 <ProzacElf> sounds awesome
16:44:52 <ProzacElf> wait, you can actually search for armor without typing "armour"?
16:45:02 <ProzacElf> that wasn't the case for so long that i never bothered to try anymore
18:02:47 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-58-g625dad4 (34)
18:14:38 <minmay> a - [Shoals:4] a steaming long sword {holy}
18:14:50 <minmay> this appears in bright white as usual, but I'm a vampire and I know it's holy, so I know I can't wield it. shouldn't it be marked useless?
18:37:17 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
18:38:17 <Nivim> It's an ancient version I was hoping I wouldn't have to upgrade to win, since that'll cripple it.
18:39:19 <Cheibriados> orc followers with same name cause problems with monster display 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11110 by Terrapin
18:43:27 <Nivim> Would it be reasonable to move the save in question to the 0.16 saves on the same server? Upgrade it to the stable of that version and finish it there?
18:45:22 <ProzacElf> speak of the devil, gammafunk, i have the worm ending
18:47:39 <ProzacElf> lol
18:47:44 <ProzacElf> Vehumet accepts yer kill.  Ye hear a splash. _Tha steam dragon scales be intact enough ta wear.
18:47:55 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
18:47:58 <ProzacElf> is that just trolling me by letting me know i'd have steam scales if they didn't fall into the water?
18:48:38 <amalloy> !lm Nivim grwn alive x=v
18:48:42 <Sequell> No milestones for Nivim (grwn alive).
18:48:56 <Nivim> amalloy: It is very old.
18:49:14 <amalloy> yeah, you said. i was trying to find out how old
18:49:42 <amalloy> obviously quite old since you're on D:25
18:49:42 <Nivim> Let me check the command minqmay used...
18:50:04 <amalloy> !kw alive
18:50:05 <Sequell> Keyword: alive => recent ktyp= type!=crash
18:50:16 <amalloy> !lm Nivim grwn x=v
18:50:18 <Sequell> 276. [2017-06-15 22:47:55] [v=0.16.0-a0] Nivim the Intangible (L27 GrWn of Ashenzari) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook templates) (43) (D:25)
18:50:32 <Nivim> Oh, that works.
18:50:42 <ProzacElf> d:25 was still in 0.16?
18:51:00 <Nivim> This was originally a git save.
18:51:23 <Nivim> So the likely reason it's having trouble was that it was updated more than once.
18:51:37 <Nivim> (It may have started as 0.15)
18:51:45 <amalloy> it's still a git save. i just forget how to find out exactly which commit you're on
18:51:52 <amalloy> 0.16 did not have D:25
18:52:08 <Nivim> Does the normal dump have that information? It still has a dump, I think.
18:52:11 <amalloy> oh, sure
18:52:16 <amalloy> &dump nivim grwn
18:52:18 <Sequell> unknown/Nivim/Nivim.txt
18:52:23 <amalloy> &dump nivim
18:52:24 <Sequell> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nivim/Nivim.txt
18:52:33 <amalloy> ee4db93
18:55:00 <amalloy> %git 05e14b0d35fce91de9300de0e21d7e447a7b9bd2
18:55:00 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1356-g05e14b0: Remove the Control Teleport spell and the book of Control 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 19 files, 17+ 69-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05e14b0d35fc
18:55:41 <amalloy> hm, that seems fine
18:57:35 <amalloy> that crash message sounds like a book was removed in the wrong way, but i can't find evidence that that happened
18:58:43 <Nivim> Maybe it was a spell in a randbook?
18:59:03 <amalloy> i don't think so. it's mad about the book, not a spell in it
18:59:23 <amalloy> !crashlog
18:59:25 <Sequell> 17790. Nivim, XL27 GrWn, T:147486 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nivim/crash-Nivim-20170615-224755.txt
19:12:23 <Nivim> (I'm going to guess there's no simple fix, like upgrading to 0.16 stable. Is there something less simple, like finding item specifications in the save for D:25 and just deleting them?)
19:24:02 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.21-a0-59-g7b0e191: Ungroup same-name mons in webtiles list (11110) 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b0e1919fa86
19:29:20 <amalloy> Nivim: can you make a save backup? i don't have permission to edit saves on cao, but i think a possible fix would be for someone to find a version that will load your save, then load it, destroy the book, and save again
19:30:38 <amalloy> i dunno, there may be no such version, and then you'd have to edit the save directly, and i don't know how to go about that at all; |amethyst probably is the expert on that
19:32:43 <Nivim> I think I typed this right: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Nivim-crawl-git-ee4db934f0-170615-1930.tar.bz2
19:33:20 <Nivim> Also, wow, amethyst; I remember he editing another save of mine to fix something, and I'm worried it was this one on a different level, like Swamp or something.
19:33:56 <gammafunk> Nivim: ouch, copy and paste didn't work for that url?
19:34:06 <gammafunk> looks like it's the correct URL all the same
19:34:21 <Nivim> Oh, just that I don't have IRC with a window manage; it's just in a console.
19:34:32 <Nivim> (VT.)
19:34:38 <amalloy> hm, loads fine in trunk
19:34:49 <amalloy> shame you don't want to upgrade it :P
19:34:55 <Nivim> Well, I lose Haste.
19:35:13 <Nivim> Also I have to learn what else has changed in ~5 versions.
19:35:16 <gammafunk> haha
19:35:22 <gammafunk> nothing of importance....
19:35:34 <Nivim> .......
19:35:56 <gammafunk> We recolored some tiles, that's about it ._.
19:35:58 <amalloy> Nivim: it crashes when you load, or what do you have to do to make it crash?
19:36:19 <Nivim> It originally crashed when I entered D:25, presumeably because the broken book is there.
19:36:39 <Nivim> Now that it loads D:25 first thing, it just immediately goes to the crash.
19:38:30 <amalloy> so i have a funny workaround. it only crashes when you look at the south half of the map, and since you're playing tiles you always look at the whole map
19:38:50 <amalloy> if you log into console instead, you won't see the south half; you can walk to a staircase on the north half of the level without crashing
19:39:01 <amalloy> and then go do D:26 safely
19:40:28 <amalloy> obviously it shouldn't crash at all, but i don't have the power to do that at the moment. i'm seeing if i can figure out what book is broken and why
19:42:07 <amalloy> oh, it is a randbook. BOOK_RANDART_THEME
19:43:44 <Nivim> Ah, so it was a theme that was removed (or perhaps the whole theme system was revamped).
19:43:52 <Nivim> Let me try that.
19:44:01 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
19:44:11 <Nivim> Hm, perhaps it's my .rc file?
19:44:18 <Nivim> I look at my viewing settings.
19:44:19 <amalloy> !crashlog
19:44:20 <Sequell> 17791. Nivim, XL27 GrWn, T:147486 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nivim/crash-Nivim-20170615-234401.txt
19:44:54 <amalloy> !crashlog x=tiles
19:44:54 <amalloy> !lm nivim x=tiles
19:44:54 <Sequell> 1. hyperamalloy, XL15 MuVM, T:39838 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hyperamalloy/crash-hyperamalloy-20151213-084024.txt
19:44:54 <Sequell> 3773. [2017-06-15 23:44:01] [tiles=false] Nivim the Intangible (L27 GrWn of Ashenzari) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook templates) (43) (D:25)
19:45:05 <amalloy> huh, why is tilesframework redrawing it if you're playing console. weird
19:45:38 <Nivim> Hm; let me disconnect from tiles with Firefox.
19:45:59 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
19:46:13 <Nivim> Ok, so what are we doing differently?
19:46:24 <amalloy> well i'm playing locally and you're playing on a server
19:46:50 <Nivim> And the server is set up to see the whole level... because spectators can?
19:46:53 <amalloy> perhaps
19:46:58 <gammafunk> yes
19:47:14 <gammafunk> it's a webtiles build
19:47:39 <gammafunk> so it's going to use the tiles codepaths/data
19:48:42 <Nivim> And changing that would also require moving the save.
19:49:02 <Nivim> (I think; does the save need a webtiles build, or does the server use it for everything?)
19:50:10 <amalloy> the same saves work in console and tiles
20:09:35 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-59-g7b0e191 (34)
20:20:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
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20:44:48 <gammafunk> minmay: iirc dragon's call also makes noise each time when a dragon is created, at the location where the dragon is created
20:44:59 <gammafunk> regarding your spell guide post
20:45:12 <gammafunk> I can go look up the details later and post a reply
20:59:59 <Lasty> Rounding issues make calculating skill needed to gain +1 AC really irritating
21:00:41 <Nivim> Lasty: What are you making?
21:08:31 <minmay> gammafunk: it definitely does not
21:08:47 <minmay> can abyss please not have rock walls that are the same color as not-rock walls
21:15:20 <Lasty> Nivim: I've been looking into creating a display for skill needed to get one more point of AC/EV/SH/HP
21:15:24 <Lasty> but it's a huge pain in the ass
21:15:31 <bh> minmay: yes.
21:21:22 <gammafunk> bh: oh, since you're here, there's this weird bug where the entrance transporter in gammafunk_abyss_rune_reverse_zot seems to disappear post-placement
21:21:25 <Lasty> I think to do it right I'd have to refactor the whole ac code
21:21:44 <gammafunk> I'm wondering if there's some abyss mechanic that replaces terrain and it needs to have an exception for those
21:21:50 <minmay> what if AC and EV had another significant digit or two?
21:22:07 <minmay> (for players only)
21:22:16 <gammafunk> when this happens the floor remains and there's no wall or anything else placed there
21:22:43 <minmay> that'd solve that breakpoint problem with armour and dodging skill, as well as fixing a few other pieces of silly behaviour like ozo's armour
21:22:44 <gammafunk> and it doesn't always happen, but it's happened for a few people
21:23:50 <Lasty> minmay: I'd feel good about it. That'd probably also take some refactoring, but maybe not a ton.
21:24:16 <gammafunk> 1learn add lasty_todo AC reform
21:24:48 <Lasty> hah
21:25:03 <Lasty> gammafunk: really all I need to do is rewrite crawl from the ground up to achieve all my goals. Seems fine.
21:25:18 <gammafunk> yeah, maybe a project for a couple weekends, right?
21:25:34 <Lasty> if that!
21:26:02 <CanOfWorms> *lasty sighs as he slowly unzips crawl 4.1a*
21:26:40 <minmay> sigh *unzips*
21:27:09 <gammafunk> Lasty: btw, I don't know if you've played Cogmind, but its ranged combat tends to be more interesting/tactical because your accuracy is significantly affected by factors like: how many turns you've gone without moving, how many turns a monster has gone without moving, the range to the monster, on top of any equipment you have that increases accuracy
21:27:36 <gammafunk> most hostiles in that game used ranged attacks, and most player attacks are ranged attacks, yet the ranged combat is a lot more interesting because those factors exist
21:27:59 <minmay> i dont know if you've played doom but its ranged combat tends to be more interesting/tactical than crawl's
21:28:35 <gammafunk> har de har mr funny McLaughPants
21:28:57 <Lasty> gammafunk: I haven't yet. How does it do with exposing all those factors?
21:29:18 <gammafunk> Lasty: you can see your accuracy for each active weapon vs the current target
21:29:25 <gammafunk> it does a little breakdown of the factors in that accuracy, as well
21:29:59 <Lasty> gammafunk: Do you end up spending much time checking accuracy against each monster in sight?
21:30:01 <gammafunk> it's much more complex than crawl combat, and there are also other factors like not being able to use something like "." to aim at a monster and stop
21:30:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:30:46 <gammafunk> well you certainly do some of this, but you tend to be focused on one or two hostiles at a time; since range is a dominant factor, you're not going to have to check too many
21:30:57 <gammafunk> since it's usually one hostile that's closest
21:32:01 <Lasty> ah, fair
21:32:50 <gammafunk> point-blank ranged combat is also a lot more common in that game, but not just because of getting the best accuracy; it's pretty neat overall, something to at least check out if you have the time and want some inspiration
21:33:50 <gammafunk> point-blank ranged combat is also reasonably common in crawl (using throwing/launchers), tbf
21:36:48 <Lasty> gammafunk: yeah, it sounds like something I should check out
21:37:02 <Lasty> is point-blank penalized or rewarded in cogmind?
21:41:09 <minmay> what happened w.r.t. halfling removal btw
21:41:24 <Lasty> they were so small we couldn't find them
21:42:40 <Lasty> Is it a bug that with 7 base AC you need 6.4 Armour skill to get +2 AC?
21:42:45 <gammafunk> Lasty: for accuracy it's rewarded in that the lower the range, the better the accuracy (it even uses euclidean distance instead of grid distance, so sadly cardinal proximity is rewarded), but monsters have the same accuracy considerations
21:42:50 <gammafunk> so they are also more likely to hit you
21:43:19 <gammafunk> and there are some melee-only hostiles that are very dangerous to have adjacent
21:44:11 <gammafunk> but overall the player has more firepower than hostiles, and some hostiles are pretty difficult to hit at range without big accuracy enhancement, so the player is rewarded
21:44:45 <gammafunk> the final thing is that explosive launchers are also pretty big in that game, so using them adjacent to hostiles is like firestorming yourself
21:44:59 <Lasty> fuck it, trying to accurately reproduce the rounding quirks of Armour skill is just too irritating.
21:45:10 <Lasty> gammafunk: lol, ouch
21:59:42 <gammafunk> And for the record, I bet minmay doesn't even have a favorite community Doom WAD
21:59:55 <Lasty> fighting words
22:00:11 <gammafunk> I'm not C A S U A L
22:00:30 <gammafunk> ??sword_in_stone[casual
22:00:31 <Sequell> sword_in_stone[3/3]: Spectrina: they made it CASUAL
22:01:00 <Lasty> I assume you had to spell that out because saying it normal would get you banned
22:03:27 <gammafunk> I'm so tired of having to make different alts to avoid my ban lists
22:07:11 <Lasty> well, if you could just learn to be civil!
22:19:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
23:12:06 <Henzell> Nivim (L27 GrWn) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 108: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:25)
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23:59:53 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-59-g7b0e191 (34)