00:45:54 <amalloy> ProzacElf: honestly though, what would you rather do: survive another couple turns, or have a hilarious story about being killed by stairs?
00:48:24 <elliptic> I'm not sure why the game would warn you before climbing stairs when about to die from poison but not warn you before any other action when about to die from poison
01:16:13 <amalloy> it warns you about resting or autotravel, i assume is what ProzacElf was thinking of
01:31:38 <elliptic> yeah, but climbing stairs isn't that much different from taking a step
01:31:56 <elliptic> it might even be faster than a cheistep :P
02:41:21 <gammafunk> !nchoice
02:41:21 <Sequell> Time for a new nchoice! It will appear shortly on the tournament website (if it hasn't yet). Type "=nemelex XXXX" to update !nchoice with the new combo, where XXXX should be replaced by the new combo.
02:41:26 <gammafunk> !kw nchoice
02:41:27 <Sequell> Keyword: nchoice => DEAM|DDAK|HOCj|BaEn|FoEn|MiVM|HaIE|VSEE|FeNe|GhWz|CeFE|SpTm|MuAM|TeWr|VpSk|KoAE|GrSu|OgEE|BaHu|MfCj|VpFE
02:41:32 <gammafunk> =nemelex DEAs
02:41:36 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => DEAM|DDAK|HOCj|BaEn|FoEn|MiVM|HaIE|VSEE|FeNe|GhWz|CeFE|SpTm|MuAM|TeWr|VpSk|KoAE|GrSu|OgEE|BaHu|MfCj|VpFE|DEAs
02:42:13 <gammafunk> !nchoice
02:42:18 <Sequell> DEAs: 0 wins || WalrusKing: CBRO, L5 Cutter of No God
02:52:22 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-41-g5e91fef
03:01:01 <ProzacElf_> !tell amalloy w/r/t the lethal poison and stairs, i was just thinking that crawl has taken away a lot of the ways to accidentally kill yourself and it just seemed like a bit of an anomaly.  i was also thinking of how it interrupts resting and autoexplore.
03:01:03 <Sequell> ProzacElf_: OK, I'll let amalloy know.
03:01:49 <Doesnty> lethal poison in general is weird
03:02:05 <Doesnty> almost any move will kill you at 1hp poisoned
03:23:26 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf
03:55:34 <ProzacElf> this is true
05:48:36 -!- mibe_ is now known as mibe
06:14:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:22:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
06:52:52 <|amethyst> According to nago in tavern, [ ] don't work in webtiles on European keyboards where you have to press AltGr
06:54:09 <|amethyst> seems like something that should be fixed
06:54:23 <|amethyst> might depend on browser
07:00:00 <|amethyst> unrelated to crawl... is anyone else annoyed by web-based rich text editors where shift-delete deletes text but doesn't put it on the clipboard?  At least they usually have undo...
07:00:33 <|amethyst> or am I the only person who still uses shift-del, ctrl-ins, and shift-ins ?
07:01:29 <|amethyst> (I have also encountered some programs where both those and the CUA ctrl-x,c,v work, but seem to use different clipboards)
07:21:17 <nikheizen> !tell zibudo hey I can't send messages on console on cjr, it says the spool file doesn't exist; also jorgrell announcements added to postquell when???
07:21:17 <Sequell> nikheizen: OK, I'll let zibudo know.
07:30:09 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
07:31:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
08:07:02 <Kenran> hey guys, I'm a Fo on crypt:2 and I found an area I cannot enter
08:07:15 <Kenran> magic mapping makes it look like it _should_ be connected in one or two places, but it isn't
08:07:22 <Kenran> no up/down stairs to get ther
08:07:36 <Kenran> could this be worthy of a bug report?
08:12:49 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:13:08 <|amethyst> yes, but first search mantis for something like "disconnected" to see if there is an existing report about the problem
08:13:22 <|amethyst> and if so, post your info there (at least the map, save file if you can get it)
08:13:24 <Kenran> |amethyst: thanks, will do. If it turns out there's nothing reported yet: how can I make a "permanent" save to submit?
08:13:59 <|amethyst> Kenran:  online or offline?
08:15:55 <Kenran> |amethyst: online
08:16:04 <|amethyst> ??save backup
08:16:04 <Sequell> save backup[1/1]: To get a Save backup, you have to log in via SSH (console), then select (T)runk -> (A)dvanced -> (B)ackup -> (N)ormal . This will give you a link that will allow developers to get a copy of your save and help find bugs.
08:16:32 <Kenran> thanks
08:16:37 <|amethyst> well, if this is a tournament game that would be (2) rather than (T)
08:16:47 <|amethyst> but you get the ide :)
08:16:48 <|amethyst> a
08:16:57 <Kenran> yep :D I use ssh regularly, just didn't know about this option :)
08:17:31 <|amethyst> Kenran:  you won't be able to download the file yourself, but you can copy-paste the link it gives you
08:22:23 <Kenran> |amethyst: I can't find anything that looks similar to what I've found. So I'm going to submit it I guess.
08:22:31 <|amethyst> cool
08:22:49 <Kenran> I can probably shaft in there as a Fo if I try often enough :D
08:23:09 <|amethyst> I assume these are stone or metal walls?
08:24:15 <Kenran> |amethyst: stone, yes
08:24:32 <Kenran> if you want to see for yourself, I'm still standing next to it:
08:24:34 <Kenran> &watch
08:24:35 <Sequell> http://crawl.xtahua.com:8080/#watch-Kenran
08:25:03 <|amethyst> could learn LRD :)
08:25:15 <|amethyst> hmm
08:25:15 <Kenran> shafting would be easier then :D
08:25:32 <|amethyst> can you scroll up a line or two?
08:25:42 <|amethyst> ah
08:25:52 <Kenran> it looks like there should have been a door
08:26:06 <Kenran> but it "collided" somehow with the placement of the wall north
08:26:37 <|amethyst> either there or on the left, yeah
08:27:00 <|amethyst> I guess those two parts of the level were connected then got cut off by the placement of that vault
08:27:25 <Kenran> yeah, looks exactly like it. Is the placement of normal stairs random?
08:27:28 <|amethyst> but I don't know why that didn't get vetoed for increasing the number of disconnected components
08:28:10 <|amethyst> kind of, but it should have vetoed the level for having a non-vault section that isn't connected to stairs
08:39:02 <Cheibriados> Disconnected region in Crypt:2, unreachable via stairs 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11084 by Kenran
08:40:04 <Kenran> |amethyst: I didn't know what to choose as severity, so I guess minor should be ok.
08:41:36 <gammafunk> !update-goodplayers
08:41:38 <Sequell> Mapping goodplayers => 78291 bmfx elliptic hyperbolic jeanjacques clouded mikee crate pac bart pivotal stabwound johnnyzero minmay ophanim basil magistern hyperelliptic marvinpa surr nago walkerboh simm wahaha ebarrett ionfrigate mrplanck elynae reid dck sphara cheibrodos morganleah tenaya theglow yermak heteroy itsmu toastyp xyblor casmith789 sar uglything maddasher evilmike vizer araganzar rob e...
08:41:45 <gammafunk> !update-greatplayers
08:41:48 <Sequell> Mapping greatplayers => 78291 hyperbolic stabwound xyblor elliptic pseudonut mikee itsmu nht casmith789 jaeger clouded marvinpa reid nyaakitty evilmike toastyp theglow ionfrigate valrus jeanjacques ebarrett surr elynae magistern pivotal crate bart ophanim pac jeremie eeviac absolutego ktgrey bmfx vizer yogaflame wahaha simm danharaj johnnyzero swiss hilariousdeathartist kryft basil n1000 sgrunt ac...
08:41:49 <gammafunk> !update-greaterplayers
08:41:56 <Sequell> Mapping greaterplayers => 78291 hyperbolic elliptic mikee stabwound xyblor marvinpa pseudonut nyaakitty reid jeanjacques ionfrigate itsmu valrus magistern pivotal clouded pac bart absolutego ophanim crate vizer bmfx eeviac elynae ebarrett simm wahaha toastyp danharaj johnnyzero hilariousdeathartist kryft walkerboh basil dck surr ackack medar sgrunt minmay cheibrodos araganzar morganleah n1000 drke...
10:21:27 <|amethyst> idea for tournament banner for next year: same as politician, but you must beat your on high scores instead of some one else's
10:22:44 <|amethyst> Could be themed "Evolution" (Fedhas maybe) or "Self-Improvement" (but needs a better word)
10:24:21 <johnstein> I have a scarf of cloud immunity. should that work against steam?
10:24:52 <johnstein> I saw steam clouds around me, but saw this too:
10:24:53 <johnstein> The steam dragon breathes steam at you!!!
10:24:53 <johnstein> _The ball of steam hits you!!!!!!!!!
10:24:53 <johnstein> Damage: -8%(-8hp)   hp: 92%(87hp)
10:25:04 <|amethyst> the spell does impact damage too
10:25:12 <johnstein> oh
10:25:15 <johnstein> got it
10:26:38 <|amethyst> it's still steam-element, so protected against by rF and steam dragon scales
10:27:58 <|amethyst> amusingly, it seems to be literally impossible to have a steam resistance value that is an odd number
10:28:14 <|amethyst> it's either -2 (which AFAIK works the same as -1), 0, or 2
10:29:00 <|amethyst> because every single term in player_res_steam is multiplied by 2, or is 2
10:35:09 <|amethyst> wait a minute, even with lang_grunt, how did 8 HP get turned into 9 exclamation marks?
10:39:34 <|amethyst> oh, I see, the fake lang both sets the damage to HIT_STRONG +1, so !!!, but also triples the resulting !
10:40:54 <|amethyst> hm, no, that's just for the verb
10:41:39 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus
10:41:46 <elliptic> |amethyst: fake_lang=grunt,grunt
10:43:00 <elliptic> we should just be thankful that it isn't triple grunt
10:43:05 <|amethyst> I suppose I should have checked for that
11:01:35 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-42-gb537e02: Make holiday meals of shrikes and bennus. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b537e02bcc31
11:01:51 <|amethyst> FR: those ham and turkey messages should also happen for zombies (but not skeletons probably?)
11:02:08 <|amethyst> zombies of the appropriate base type, that is
11:08:31 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
11:35:31 <gammafunk> would you eat a turkey zombie?
11:40:56 <|amethyst> depends on how long it was a zombie
11:43:11 <|amethyst> unless it was created by an yrelemnul worshipper, it doesn't last much longer than the food would take to rot anyway
11:43:50 <|amethyst> and actually if you zombify it just before it rots away, it lasts just as long
11:44:00 <|amethyst> as it would if you zombified it right away
11:44:10 <|amethyst> so zombification probably preserves the meat
11:44:23 <|amethyst> hopefully more like BHT and less like formaldehyde
12:02:58 <gammafunk> gives me the idea of a kiku-themed food shop selling zombie jerky and distilled spectral vinegars
12:10:30 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-42-gb537e02 (34)
12:11:00 <gammafunk> !nick wonplayers $(!lg * won s=name fmt:"${.}" join:" " ?:N>0)
12:11:04 <Sequell> Mapping wonplayers => comborobin 78291 bmfx sharkman1231 yermak elliptic johnnyzero nago mrplanck manman dynast walkerboh jeanjacques araganzar minmay hilariousdeathartist stickyfingers basil lasty hyperbolic zooty morganleah bart drke rubinko rephenryclay clouded surr mikee tolias tabstorm p0werm0de rast sphara simm zkyp crate mibe ultraviolent4 pac sar particlephysics mopl iafm marvinpa pivotal ...
12:11:50 <gammafunk> !nick -rm wonplayers
12:11:50 <Sequell> Deleted wonplayers => comborobin 78291 bmfx sharkman1231 yermak elliptic johnnyzero nago mrplanck manman dynast walkerboh jeanjacques araganzar minmay hilariousdeathartist stickyfingers basil lasty hyperbolic zooty morganleah bart drke rubinko rephenryclay clouded surr mikee tolias tabstorm p0werm0de rast sphara simm zkyp crate mibe ultraviolent4 pac sar particlephysics mopl iafm marvinpa pivotal ...
12:24:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:50:35 <Cheibriados> Tab for a Viable [race] does not guarantee a viable character. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11085 by dornbeast
13:04:53 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-42-gb537e02 (34)
13:19:46 <nee````> Hello, I'm packaging crawl for the guix package manager. When I use a 0.19 ~/.crawl SAVEDIR with 0.20 some strings like the description for the new species don't show up. Should I just include the version into the SAVEDIR path, so old directories aren't used, or is it a bug in crawl that it doesn't upgrade the old SAVEDIR?
13:28:43 <|amethyst> if you rm -rf ~/.crawl/saves/{db,des}/ does that fix it?
13:28:59 <|amethyst> though crawl should notice that the files are out of date and do that on startup...
13:29:08 <|amethyst> also, what about DATADIR?
13:30:25 <|amethyst> (those two directories are caches of compiled versions of the db and vaults; they're what takes so long to generate when you start up crawl for the first time)
13:55:52 <nee````> |amethyst: the data dir is in /gnu/store/$packagehash-crawl-$version/. It's different for each version of the package. Starting up after the upgrade with the 0.19 directory doesn't take long. Manually removing these directories causes to be regenerated correctly.
13:56:52 <nee````> How does it notice they are out of date? On Guix all dates in the DATADIR are reset to 1970 1. Jan for reproducability.
13:57:59 <|amethyst> nee````:  I thought it loaded one and checked the version, but perhaps I'm wrong
13:58:07 <|amethyst> hm
13:59:21 <|amethyst> ah, that's just for .des files
13:59:43 <|amethyst> it does store and query the timestamps in db
14:00:21 <|amethyst> timestamps of the files in DATADIR, stored in the cache when it is generated and checked against the cache at startup
14:00:24 <|amethyst> hm
14:01:50 <|amethyst> the relevant logic is in TextDB::_needs_update, TextDB::open_db (loading timestamp stored in the cache), and TextDB::_regenerate_db (storing the timestamp in the cache)
14:02:40 <|amethyst> I suppose it's probably not reasonable to make the file timestamps 00:00:19 00:00:20 etc depending on the version :)
14:02:46 <|amethyst> and that wouldn't help with downgrades anyway
14:02:53 <|amethyst> oh, actually, it would
14:03:10 <|amethyst> because it checks for !=, not >
14:04:41 <nee````> Might be possible, but it seems like a very weird workaround. It would be great if crawl could upgrade everything based on it's version.
14:05:18 <|amethyst> it's based on timestamps in part to support editing the .des files without having to do anything special about the cache
14:05:29 <|amethyst> which I guess is mostly dev and modder convenience
14:06:09 <|amethyst> hm
14:07:01 <|amethyst> nee````:  for guix, you could replace the timestamp code with code that checks and stores the crawl version instead
14:07:13 <|amethyst> nee````:  I *think* it's just text in the DB
14:07:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
14:07:33 <|amethyst> and the comparison would just return false if loaded into another version of crawl
14:08:32 <nee````> Okay, I will try the workaround.
14:09:04 <|amethyst> probably Version::Long in case you ever decide to package trunk builds
14:09:27 <|amethyst> or not-yet-released builds of the stable branch, for that matter
14:11:04 <nee````> I'll look into that, until now I only packaged a stable release.
14:13:08 <|amethyst> btw, if you make this into a compile-time flag with #ifdef #else #endif, I'd probably include it in trunk for 0.21 release
14:13:51 <|amethyst> there are some advantages to the timestamp system for people who do edit the files
14:14:11 <|amethyst> if you do, submit it as a pull request or on Mantis
14:47:33 <rumflump> %git sacrifice
14:47:33 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit sacrifice (git returned 128)
14:47:38 <rumflump> %git :/sacrifice
14:47:38 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.21-a0-35-g70e9ed9: A digging-themed transporter vault 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 54+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70e9ed9011c3
14:47:48 <rumflump> %git :/sacrifice minmay
14:47:48 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit :/sacrifice minmay (git returned 128)
14:48:21 <rumflump> anyone know what the commit was named when lasty changed the ru sacrifice values?
14:50:25 <Lasty> %git 0f21a4da729b61486ab8d3a36d645d9dd95c1b8c
14:50:25 <Cheibriados> 07Lasty02 * 0.20-a0-837-g0f21a4d: Update Ru sacrifice piety gain (minmay) 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 25+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f21a4da729b
14:50:28 <Lasty> rumflump: ^
14:50:45 <rumflump> thanks!
17:40:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:04:11 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-42-gb537e02 (34)
18:33:53 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
18:38:27 <rumflump> !nchoice
18:38:34 <Sequell> DEAs: 0 wins || Snack: CBRO, L18 Crack Shot of Okawaru || Placid: CAO, L8 Covert of Ru || Poncheis: CAO, L7 Covert of Ashenzari || WalrusKing: CBRO, L5 Cutter of Dithmenos
19:17:00 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:56:49 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: oh ok, i'll stop submissions to it
21:56:58 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: I already have
21:57:11 <alexjurkiewicz> good one
21:57:32 <gammafunk> we actually have translations for the korean comments too I think
21:57:41 <alexjurkiewicz> personally I won't have time for analysis for a few weeks between work & holidays, so if someone else would like to before then go ahead!
22:10:16 <johnstein> alexjurkiewicz, gammafunk, I can do the stats if everyone likes the way I've done them in the past
22:10:32 <johnstein> ^status
22:10:32 <Rotatell> 75 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=89% (135GB) | RAM usage=60% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 22:10:31 up 94 days,  2:48,  9 users,  load average: 2.67, 2.24, 2.72 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
22:15:39 <Cheibriados> Maxwell's etheric cage and MPRegen 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11087 by orbisvicis
22:15:39 <Cheibriados> Singing sword and noise meter 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11086 by orbisvicis
22:21:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
22:35:17 <gammafunk> johnstein: yeah, stats for t are great, we're talking about processing the survey, which is a whole other thing
22:36:24 <gammafunk> I hope at least have time to clean up the data
22:36:25 <johnstein> ah oops
22:36:46 <gammafunk> but yes, it'd be great if you can do those stats per usual
22:37:05 <gammafunk> !tstats 9
22:37:08 <gammafunk> !tstats 9 t0.19
22:37:10 <gammafunk> !tstats 9 t0.18
22:37:20 <Sequell> Stats after 9 days (t): 2402 players, 847 runers, 409 winners, 1027 wins, 44614 games, winrate 2.30%, total player time 2y+261d+16:29:07.
22:38:26 <Sequell> Stats after 9 days (t0.19): 2510 players, 782 runers, 383 winners, 850 wins, 46586 games, winrate 1.82%, total player time 2y+194d+3:30:38.
22:39:24 <Sequell> Stats after 9 days (t0.18): 2178 players, 697 runers, 353 winners, 782 wins, 39722 games, winrate 1.97%, total player time 2y+124d+1:17:57.
23:59:43 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-42-gb537e02 (34)