00:01:03 <elliptic> %git 83084bd72
00:01:03 <Cheibriados> 07amalloy02 * 0.20-a0-992-g83084bd: Make monster_die take a monster& instead of a monster* 10(8 weeks ago, 32 files, 310+ 311-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/83084bd725b3
00:01:11 <elliptic> maybe caused by this?
01:08:28 -!- introsp3ctive is now known as introsp3ctive\oo
01:09:03 -!- introsp3ctive\oo is now known as introsp3ctive
01:12:35 -!- introsp3ctive is now known as intro\OotC
01:12:49 <gammafunk> !tell nicolae- Yes, it should run only after the level is fully generated
01:12:50 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let nicolae- know.
01:13:16 <gammafunk> !tell nicolae- So it should work with post_place since that's just further vault placement, but let me know if not
01:13:16 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let nicolae- know.
02:52:53 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-39-g28ea6b7
05:01:46 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-40-ge4214e1: Remove the 0.19 survey message 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4214e12554a
05:02:08 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.20] * 0.20.0-9-g8272e65: Remove the 0.19 survey message 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8272e6507dac
06:06:02 <Napkin> sorry guys, didn't manage to make CDO ready for the tournament - had a family member in hospital
06:06:03 <Sequell> Napkin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
06:07:17 <Napkin> panic is over though.. would people still need CDO to participate? but actually i would like to spend the weekend outdoors ;)
06:09:01 <bhaak> the whole EXTENDED weekend?
06:09:33 <Napkin> hey bhaak, how's it going?
06:09:44 <Jorgrell> Stable (0.20) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20.0-9-g8272e65
06:09:56 <gammafunk> Napkin: it's not critical that CDO doesn't have 0.20, I think players have been moving to cue
06:09:56 <bhaak> I don't think that the apostle started babbling nonsense so you don't have to work ;-)
06:09:57 <Napkin> you know, my son is taking his first trip with boy scouts... Sturmfreie Bude!
06:10:31 <Napkin> i was hoping for that, gammafunk, thanks
06:10:34 <bhaak> Napkin: junethack started and it was actually quite on time. so far, only one broken achievement
06:12:09 <bhaak> next time we have overlapping tournament times, I want to make an achievement out of it. like "travelled to a parallel reality" or something like that :)
06:12:28 <gammafunk> np, I'll go and remove CDO from the tournament rule pages
06:12:46 <gammafunk> maybe we could insert some nethack ghosts onto the dcss servers
06:12:57 <Napkin> cool, bhaak :)
06:13:03 <Napkin> thanks, gammafunk!
06:14:15 <bhaak> or include it into the cross-variant trophies. after all, crawl is just a nethack clone with heavily distorted nethack game mechanisms :)
06:19:00 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-40-ge4214e1 (34)
09:14:45 <Cheibriados> fungus (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 8 | HP: 37-50 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless.

09:14:45 <advil> %??fungus
09:15:00 <advil> a little surprised you can poison funguses
09:15:20 <Cheibriados> fungus (15f) | Spd: 070 | HD: 8 | HP: 28-59 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant.

09:15:20 <|amethyst> %0.12?fungus
09:15:26 <|amethyst> hm
09:15:47 <|amethyst> it's the same change that let you poison most demons
09:15:53 <advil> ah
09:15:57 <advil> demonic fungi
09:16:13 <|amethyst> could give plants rP+++ I guess
09:16:25 <|amethyst> %git 31dc73
09:16:25 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-654-g31dc73c: Make monster rPois+ more like player rPois+ 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 11 files, 71+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/31dc73c2199b
09:17:30 <advil> I guess whatever crawl "poison" is could well be bad for plants too, it's pretty impressively cross-species effective
09:17:35 <advil> already
09:21:43 <|amethyst> hm
09:21:51 <|amethyst> withered plants explicitly have rP+++
09:25:15 <|amethyst> in fact, they and hell sentinels are the only creatures with poison immunity that doesn't come from holiness (undead or nonliving)
09:25:56 <advil> heh
10:14:28 <nicolae-> !messages
10:14:29 <Sequell> (1/2) gammafunk said (9h 1m 41s ago): Yes, it should run only after the level is fully generated
10:14:31 <nicolae-> !messages
10:14:32 <Sequell> (1/1) gammafunk said (9h 1m 17s ago): So it should work with post_place since that's just further vault placement, but let me know if not
10:14:38 <nicolae-> !tell gammafunk it has errors https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11082
10:14:39 <Sequell> nicolae-: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
10:14:45 <nicolae-> thanks Sequell, you're a mensch
12:57:06 <johnstein> do players need to start a game before the clan deadline? or just have the rc files ready? my assumption is just the rcfiles
12:57:55 <elliptic> just the rcfiles
12:58:23 <elliptic> a lot of clans are fully set up before the tourney begins
12:59:37 <johnstein> ok. had a late comer to the clan who is in the airport and about ready to take off asking if he had to try to get a game started
13:00:01 <johnstein> I will let him know he's ok with no games yet. his rcfile and mine are fine
13:00:05 <johnstein> ty
13:01:12 <elliptic> I guess he just set up his rcfile then? since he isn't on your clan page
13:02:14 <elliptic> !time
13:02:16 <Sequell> Time: Jun 02, 2017, 05:02:16 PM, UTC. The 2017 0.20 tournament ends in 9 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes and 43 seconds.
13:02:17 <|amethyst> I encountered at least one person who had a tourney entry on two servers and forgot about the first one after making edits to the second
13:02:34 <|amethyst> we got that worked out, but there may be other people in a similar situation
13:02:37 <johnstein> yea. just now
13:02:37 <|amethyst> 41
13:02:37 <|amethyst> 1
13:02:44 <|amethyst> err, https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/6eny8a/player_not_showing_up_in_clan/
13:03:17 <johnstein> how often will clans update? every 7 minutes right?
13:03:27 <|amethyst> I think that depends on the server
13:04:30 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-40-ge4214e1 (34)
13:04:55 <elliptic> every 4 hours for every server currently it looks like
13:04:57 <|amethyst> if you provide the cgi-bin that does a head of all the rcfiles, and the tourney scripts know about it, it's less time than if not
13:05:00 <|amethyst> ah
13:05:07 <|amethyst> maybe no one set that up this time
13:05:40 <elliptic> I think only cao and cdo ever set that up in the past
13:05:44 <|amethyst> ah, yeah, CAO has /usr/lib/cgi-bin/teams-0.19 but not 0.20
13:06:22 <elliptic> not much point in enabling it right now with so little signup time remaining
13:08:58 <|amethyst> yeah
13:14:04 <elliptic> btw it looks to me like the clan deadline listed on the rules page is lying by a couple hours (and probably has been the last couple tourneys too)
13:15:17 <elliptic> since the cronjobs won't run for the last two hours before the listed deadline, if I am working out time zones correctly
13:16:18 <johnstein> ok. looks like we are still outside that time range
13:16:38 <elliptic> yeah cron should fetch rcfiles in 45 minutes from now
13:17:17 <elliptic> or at least I think that is what "0 2,6,10,14,18,22 * * *" means
13:23:07 <|amethyst> fortunately CSZO is on UTC-4 right now, so it works out the same whether you use UTC or CSZO local time :)
13:51:28 <minmay> why do monster black dracs get rElec+++
14:15:27 <|amethyst> because it's better than rElec++
14:15:30 <|amethyst> %git fa3e980e
14:15:30 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-101-gfa3e980: Adjust monster rElec 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 32+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa3e980e9aed
14:30:32 <minmay> red, green, white, etc. draconians only have one level of their resistances though
14:56:38 <geekosaur> I think this had to do with monsters multizapping themselves to death
15:04:10 <Lantell> Stable (0.20) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20.0-9-g8272e65
15:10:25 <cut1less> @??asterion
15:10:25 <Gretell> Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 105-149 | AC/EV: 10/1 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2633 | Sp: major destruction (3d6 / 3d27 / 3d20 / 3d24 / 3d28 / 3d25 / 3d22) [11!AM], g.s.makhleb [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
15:12:11 <cut1less> how does Asterion get Haste as a divine (res. antimagic) ability?
15:30:47 <advil> makhleb just likes him better than players
15:30:47 <advil> %git eb0600ffd08f1675a1128c4d5c770822ab9aa968
15:30:47 <Cheibriados> 07Lasty02 * 0.18-a0-669-geb0600f: Redo penalties for amulets of regen and dismissal 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 11 files, 73+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0600ffd08f
15:30:47 <advil> %git eb0600ffd08
15:30:47 <Cheibriados> 07Lasty02 * 0.18-a0-669-geb0600f: Redo penalties for amulets of regen and dismissal 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 11 files, 73+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0600ffd08f
15:30:47 <advil> hmm
16:06:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA
16:11:34 <|amethyst> cut1less:  it used to be a wizardly spell
16:11:38 <|amethyst> %git f9b49e11
16:11:38 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1439-gf9b49e1: Adjust some priest spell sets 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9b49e110c1c
16:11:45 <|amethyst> before that commit
16:12:31 <|amethyst> (this was before Spectral Weapon was changed to Greater Servant)
17:15:16 -!- jefus- is now known as jefus
17:21:23 <Shimatora> hello, I updated my rc file on 0.20 to include another player at around 7:00am UTC today, but it doesn't seem like it's properly added him to the clan
17:21:51 <Shimatora> not sure how I can prove it though, I know it's past the deadline now
17:22:35 <Shimatora> "# TEAMMEMBERS ebarrett Sapz KiT Fireseal" on line 2
17:33:47 <gammafunk> Shimatora: looks like your clan def is working ok
17:33:47 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:34:04 <gammafunk> oh, maybe Fireseal is missing
17:34:12 <Shimatora> yeah, he's the one I tried to add
17:34:25 <gammafunk> I do see it in the rc
17:34:30 <gammafunk> so the clan page should update
17:34:36 <gammafunk> looks like it was properly fetched
17:34:49 <Shimatora> aha okay, so just wait a bit longer?
17:34:59 <gammafunk> Shimatora: yeah, I'll make sure the clan page gets updated properly
17:35:05 <Shimatora> thank youuu
17:35:16 <gammafunk> but it looks like that RC was fetched with those members before the cutoff, so you should be good
17:35:45 <elliptic> gammafunk: you know that it is after the cutoff right now, right?
17:36:00 <gammafunk> elliptic: yes, I've disabled rc fetching
17:36:31 <elliptic> I mean that if the rcfiles were correctly set up then the clan pages would know about it by now
17:37:15 <gammafunk> well, I do see it in his CUE rc
17:37:29 <gammafunk> Shimatora also had a CXC rc with a different definition
17:37:38 <gammafunk> but according to the rules, CUE takes precedence
17:37:46 <Shimatora> oh god I forgot about the cxc rc
17:37:48 <gammafunk> I've removed the CXC rc just to be sure though
17:37:51 <Shimatora> made that when cue wasn't ready
17:37:52 <gammafunk> yeah it was an older one
17:38:02 <gammafunk> didn't have KiT I think
17:38:24 <elliptic> yeah cue definitely takes precedence, there must be some other issue
17:38:38 <elliptic> since the servers would have updated with it long ago if there wasn't an issue
17:38:58 <gammafunk> ??cue
17:38:58 <Sequell> cue[1/4]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://underhound.eu:8080/ or underhound.eu, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.18 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut). Formely known as CLAN.
17:39:15 <elliptic> and if you want to change clan listings at this point you'll need to change CLAN_DEADLINE in loaddb.py
17:39:52 <Shimatora> not the end of the world if it can't be done, I'm more interested in keeping things fair
17:41:10 <gammafunk> Shimatora: your rc looks like it was fetched some hours ago
17:41:16 <gammafunk> so you shouldn't have a problem with the cutoff
17:41:32 <gammafunk> 14 hours ago, looks like
17:42:16 <elliptic> gammafunk: I don't see Fireseal's rcfile
17:42:19 <Shimatora> tournament is supposed to update clans etc every 4 right?
17:42:20 <gammafunk> ah
17:42:22 <elliptic> remember it takes two rcfiles...
17:42:23 <gammafunk> that would do it
17:42:30 <Shimatora> Fireseal's in the player page though
17:42:31 <gammafunk> they probably didn't add theirs
17:42:49 <elliptic> or rather, I see Fireseal's rcfile but it doesn't have the # TEAMCAPTAIN line
17:43:35 <gammafunk> Shimatora: yeah, elliptic is right, and I sort of forgot how they'd need their RC to be updated as well
17:43:40 <gammafunk> looks like they didn't do it in time
17:43:52 <Shimatora> welppp
17:43:54 <Shimatora> they just told me
17:43:55 <elliptic> https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.20/Fireseal.rc
17:44:09 <Shimatora> they did it a bit before 8pm GERMAN TIME
17:44:09 <Shimatora> sorry for wasting your time guys
17:45:01 <elliptic> gammafunk: I don't know if you saw the discussion earlier btw, but anyone who updated their rcfile in the last two hours before the clan deadline would also have had problems
17:45:19 <gammafunk> I didn't see, no
17:45:30 <gammafunk> and wouldn't 8pm german time be before the deadline?
17:45:30 <elliptic> since the cron only fetches them every 4 hours, and the last time it ran was two hours before the clan deadline
17:46:23 <Shimatora> 18:00 UTC your right
17:47:41 <gammafunk> it's 9:47pm UTC, deadline is at 20:00 UTC
17:48:17 <gammafunk> so the deadline in CEST was 10:00pm
17:48:58 <gammafunk> so if they updated before 8pm CEST, they should have been fine
17:49:26 <elliptic> gammafunk: my suggestion is fetch Fireseal's rcfile by hand, change CLAN_DEADLINE to the future, run the scripts once, then change CLAN_DEADLINE to the past again
17:49:36 <gammafunk> yeah, that's what I was thinking
17:49:40 <elliptic> but alternatively could refetch everything from everywhere
17:50:12 <gammafunk> I suppose what would be best in the future is schedule the rc fetching to begin at the deadline
17:50:20 <gammafunk> one of the fetch times, that is
17:50:42 <gammafunk> some people might sneak in during the fetch, but that wouldn't really matter too much
17:51:11 <elliptic> gammafunk: the way I handled this in the past was that I scheduled the posted deadline to coincide with an rc fetching time, and I set CLAN_DEADLINE to be one hour after the posted deadline
17:51:29 <gammafunk> yeah
17:51:38 <gammafunk> probably that should be in our tourney guide
17:52:14 <elliptic> yeah, looks like I forgot to include this
17:52:37 <gammafunk> well I'd like to avoid handling any one-off misses like this for rest of t
17:52:45 <gammafunk> so since it's only (about) 2h after
17:52:49 <gammafunk> maybe I'll do one last fetch
17:53:09 <gammafunk> and then yeah set the deadline and let the script update
17:53:21 <gammafunk> Shimatora: so it looks like your teammate will be fine for joining your team
17:53:29 <Shimatora> \o/
17:53:35 <Shimatora> thanks for hearing me out
18:03:43 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-40-ge4214e1 (34)
18:09:26 <gammafunk> elliptic: it'd also be good to have a way to automatically disabled the RC fetching somehow
18:09:53 <gammafunk> I suppose that might end up being sort of a pain, not sure if there's a good way to do that with crontab entries
18:11:39 <elliptic> yeah, would be nice
18:17:06 <gammafunk> =nemelex BaHu
18:17:08 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => DEAM|DDAK|HOCj|BaEn|FoEn|MiVM|HaIE|VSEE|FeNe|GhWz|CeFE|SpTm|MuAM|TeWr|VpSk|KoAE|GrSu|OgEE|BaHu
18:17:12 <|amethyst> crontab -l | sed | crontab -
18:21:10 <gammafunk> put something like that in a script, scheduled ...like a minute after the deadline?
18:40:00 <koboldina> gammafunk as punishment for your zot vault my team has overtaken yours in the tournament
18:40:03 -!- ldierk__ is now known as ldierk
18:40:04 <gammafun1> koboldina: Fools! You will pay for this insolence!
18:40:04 <gammafun1> I shall put all runes in trap vaults
18:40:05 <koboldina> nuuuu
18:40:05 <koboldina> for real tho I just got a 1:02 speedrun and now my hand hurts
18:40:29 <gammafun1> &rc . trunk cdo
18:40:29 <Sequell> No milestones for gammafun1.
18:40:32 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk
18:40:34 <gammafunk> &rc . trunk cdo
18:40:52 <Sequell> http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/gammafunk.rc
18:45:49 <gammafunk> koboldina: nice job, I did a 2h one with a bit of advice from uv4, but might try for a real sub-hour run at some points (probably not tournament)
18:46:06 <gammafunk> DD was pretty fun for realtime
18:46:09 <gammafunk> since it's so forgiving
18:46:54 <koboldina> dd seems more ideal for turncount to me
18:47:19 <koboldina> I guess you'd probably splat less dds in realtime but it seems less likely to give you a more speedy win than a mibe
18:47:47 <koboldina> (I splatted like 3 mibes on the way to that speedrun)
18:47:52 <koboldina> (one had obsidian axe)
18:49:39 <minmay> !vault minmay_item_behind_shaft
18:49:40 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des#L2820
18:49:41 <minmay> please remove this thanks
18:53:32 -!- sedition_ is now known as sedition
18:54:11 <gammafunk> !nick bots
18:54:12 <Sequell> No nick mapping for bots.
18:54:21 <gammafunk> !lg * !bot current dd won min=dur x=dur
18:54:22 <Sequell> No keyword 'bot'
18:54:25 <gammafunk> !lg !bot current dd won min=dur x=dur
18:54:34 <Sequell> 324. [dur=0:37:09] YTcomUltraviolent4 the Executioner (L23 DDGl of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2017-04-16 15:28:03, with 3407393 points after 21341 turns and 0:37:09.
18:54:45 <gammafunk> koboldina: that's UV's PB
18:54:53 <gammafunk> which is 3rd fastest
18:55:01 <gammafunk> so DD is pretty comparable to Mi
18:55:45 <gammafunk> I think for just sub hour it'd be fine (as long as one had enough attempts under their belt to know the ropes)
18:55:55 <gammafunk> for WR maybe it's not as strong, but that's still awful close
18:56:16 <gammafunk> it's certainly possible that running DD might take more attempts to get your realtime goal on average, but given what DD are I kind of doubt it
18:56:33 <gammafunk> DD are very stable in turncount at least, definitely the best experience overall for turncount
18:56:44 <gammafunk> you have a lot more control over random deaths
18:57:01 <gammafunk> !lg !bot current won min=dur x=dur
18:57:05 <Sequell> 8374. [dur=0:36:43] DemiseSR the Hoplite (L24 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2017-04-07 13:58:27, with 1986951 points after 47063 turns and 0:36:43.
18:57:23 <gammafunk> yeah that's less than 30 seconds behind the current WR
18:57:49 <gammafunk> I think Fo are also considered really strong for realtime but probably a lot worse if you want to win in one attempt
18:58:08 <elliptic> do you have any idea how much in the way of macros/lua realtime speedruns use nowadays?
18:58:22 <gammafunk> UV doesn't use too much, they mostly care about autopickup and force_more
18:58:39 <gammafunk> demise doesn't use much either, so I'd say it's not really done by those guys
18:58:54 <gammafunk> I don't know that either uses any kind of special macro at all
18:59:07 <gammafunk> s/macro/macro or lua
18:59:21 <gammafunk> I'm no expert here, so it would be better to ask one of them
18:59:41 <gammafunk> ManMan has said he's interested in something like my speedrun_rest.lua for realtime
18:59:47 <gammafunk> but I don't know that he's bothered to try that
19:00:19 <gammafunk> that speedrun_rest.lua thing is for turncount, basically creation a key like 5 for swinging that checks for things like monsters in LOS etc
19:00:39 <gammafunk> manman mentioned he was interested in that to lower the number of turns for resting, not for any of the LOS checking, though
19:01:14 <gammafunk> s/swinging/bread-swinging/
19:01:37 <gammafunk> !streak Manman
19:01:56 <Sequell> Manman has 14 consecutive wins (GrFi, HOMo, MfSk, CeHu, HaAs, DgFE, OgWz, TrVM, DDWr, VpEn, NaBe, MiAE, SpAM, HuAr), and can keep going!
19:01:59 <gammafunk> He's might finally match the_glow :o
19:02:05 <elliptic> yeah, I just looked at UV/demise's rcfiles and they don't have anything fancy
19:02:24 <elliptic> unfortunately I don't know whether cpo makes macro files visible? at least I can't find them
19:03:04 <gammafunk> elliptic: https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.20/ seems to list them
19:03:20 <gammafunk> https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.20/YTcomUltraviolent4.macro
19:04:09 <elliptic> oh, I guess when I tried the url for demisesr it just failed because somehow there wasn't a .macro file
19:04:27 <gammafunk> yeah, if you checked 0.20 it's because he hasn't done attempts under that probably
19:04:30 <gammafunk> since he's playing in tourney
19:04:33 <elliptic> no, trunk
19:04:36 <gammafunk> ah, ok
19:05:01 <gammafunk> perhaps he just doesn't use any during realtime
19:05:14 <elliptic> anyway I was just wondering because I know people have used macros like > for G> and multitabbing and such
19:05:22 <elliptic> in the past
19:05:32 <elliptic> and that's a slippery slope towards qw :P
19:05:45 <gammafunk> yeah
19:05:50 <elliptic> also things like combined autoexplore/tab
19:06:11 <gammafunk> If the community were larger, there'd probably be rules about what you could have
19:06:31 <elliptic> it's impressive that they can get down to <40 minutes without any of that
19:06:34 <gammafunk> possibly it should just get a listing on a site like speedrun.com with run submissions and moderators
19:06:38 <elliptic> yeah, it is a poorly defined speedrun category
19:06:43 <elliptic> at the moment
19:07:08 <gammafunk> the console game runners have very specific rules about e.g. savestates and no use of turbo
19:07:18 <gammafunk> that would be analogous to disallowing stuff like lua helpers
19:07:37 <gammafunk> even MarvinPA.rc might not be legitimate in such a category :(
19:08:01 <koboldina> gammafunk why hasn't anyone started a team called the Decepticons staffed entirely by qw bots
19:08:11 <|amethyst> we could distribute MarvinPA.rc with crawl
19:08:28 <gammafunk> you mean gammafunk.rc?
19:08:31 <|amethyst> presumably autofight.lua and automagic.lua are allowed
19:08:33 <elliptic> it isn't really clear to me where the line is unless you force people to use default rcfile
19:08:49 <elliptic> or have very specific rules about what types of rcfile lines are allowed
19:08:56 <gammafunk> yeah it's true that it's kind of tricky
19:09:35 <gammafunk> but again, small community of runners and no one has organized a more formal category; nothing stopping them from putting together something like how the console game runners do, though
19:09:51 <gammafunk> those guys have runners from the community watching each run's recorded video
19:10:01 <gammafunk> before allowing it to be listed
19:10:46 <|amethyst> wonder about TAS
19:11:01 <|amethyst> with the clua console, can you corrupt memory enough to win on turn 1
19:11:02 <|amethyst> ?
19:11:06 <|amethyst> or 0 even
19:11:07 <gammafunk> heh, yeah
19:11:28 <gammafunk> obviously should incorporate that tech into qw.rc
19:14:28 <|amethyst> amalloy:  just completed the princess quest too... I think the only lands I haven't gotten 10 treasures from (not in the same game) are camelot, trollheim, clearing, haunted woods, and of course crossroads (hyperstones)
19:18:58 <johnstein> ^status
19:18:58 <Rotatell> 72 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=89% (135GB) | RAM usage=61% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 19:18:58 up 91 days, 23:57, 13 users,  load average: 2.08, 2.29, 2.11 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
19:24:21 <advil> uv4 said something about his rc on reddit, I think it intentionally doesn't have anything fancy
19:25:08 <advil> oh it was demise
19:25:52 <advil> in https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/643mep/wr_realtime_record_taken_back_in_3643/
19:26:38 <advil> "Other speedrunners like ultra and shard run extremely tricked out irc files with keybinds everywhere, but I like to think that they're just using a crutch to try to keep up with me ;)"
19:26:51 <advil> (irc is typo for rc)
19:27:51 <elliptic> !lg * t crace=gnoll
19:27:51 <Sequell> 1. radinms the Insei (L1 GnTm), quit the game on D:1 (ldierk_walled_garden_2) on 2017-05-28 07:11:12, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:47.
19:27:55 <elliptic> I wonder how that happened
19:27:58 <elliptic> !lg * t crace=gnoll x=src
19:27:59 <Sequell> 1. [src=lld] radinms the Insei (L1 GnTm), quit the game on D:1 (ldierk_walled_garden_2) on 2017-05-28 07:11:12, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:47.
19:28:24 <elliptic> !lg * t crace=gnoll x=v
19:28:25 <Sequell> 1. [v=0.20.0-a0] radinms the Insei (L1 GnTm), quit the game on D:1 (ldierk_walled_garden_2) on 2017-05-28 07:11:12, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:47.
19:28:27 <elliptic> !lg * t crace=gnoll x=vlong
19:28:29 <Sequell> 1. [vlong=0.20-a0-1125-g174c67540e] radinms the Insei (L1 GnTm), quit the game on D:1 (ldierk_walled_garden_2) on 2017-05-28 07:11:12, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:47.
19:29:48 <elliptic> !lg * t v~~0.20.0-a s=src
19:29:49 <Sequell> 202 games for * (t v~~0.20.0-a): 202x lld
19:30:06 <ldierk> Hey one of the few vaults done by me :)
19:33:02 <gammafunk> !tstats 7
19:33:02 <gammafunk> !tstats 7 t0.19
19:33:02 <gammafunk> !tstats 7 t0.18
19:33:07 <Sequell> Stats after 7 days (t): 2157 players, 746 runers, 358 winners, 831 wins, 34980 games, winrate 2.38%, total player time 2y+43d+20:14:41.
19:34:08 <gammafunk> winrate was significantly higher in the first 1-3 days of t, I guess maybe because there were more experienced players competing for points this time
19:34:09 <elliptic> I guess those 0.20-a games with gnolls and such are just an issue with sequell's t kw
19:34:18 <gammafunk> looks like it's leveling off as the t goes on
19:34:33 <Sequell> Stats after 7 days (t0.19): 2286 players, 712 runers, 333 winners, 680 wins, 35850 games, winrate 1.90%, total player time 1y+354d+7:10:39.
19:34:38 <elliptic> and aren't in the tourney scripts
19:34:42 <gammafunk> !lg * t gn
19:34:43 <Sequell> 1. radinms the Insei (L1 GnTm), quit the game on D:1 (ldierk_walled_garden_2) on 2017-05-28 07:11:12, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:47.
19:34:48 <elliptic> gammafunk: winrate always decreases as t goes on
19:34:48 <gammafunk> hah
19:35:09 <gammafunk> elliptic: yeah, I realize, but it was higher by like 0.8% compared to t0.19 I think
19:35:17 <gammafunk> which seemed like a large bump at the time
19:35:22 <gammafunk> !tstats 3
19:35:24 <gammafunk> !tstats 3 t0.19
19:35:30 <Sequell> Stats after 7 days (t0.18): 1949 players, 598 runers, 296 winners, 586 wins, 30529 games, winrate 1.92%, total player time 1y+282d+12:42:35.
19:36:01 <gammafunk> 0.19 and 0.18 had pretty similar winrate
19:36:06 <elliptic> it's still a pretty substantial difference, yeah
19:36:28 <Sequell> Stats after 3 days (t0.19): 1533 players, 450 runers, 212 winners, 344 wins, 16427 games, winrate 2.09%, total player time 327d+14:42:10.
19:36:36 <Sequell> Stats after 3 days (t): 1483 players, 474 runers, 235 winners, 421 wins, 15271 games, winrate 2.76%, total player time 340d+6:44:03.
19:37:06 <elliptic> !calc 2.76/2.09
19:37:07 <Sequell> 1.32
19:37:16 <elliptic> !calc 2.38/1.90
19:37:17 <Sequell> 1.25
19:37:36 <gammafunk> winter tournaments historically seem to have higher participation
19:38:13 <gammafunk> but I'm going to choose the interpretation that participation isn't higher in 0.20 compared to 0.19 because we've clearly made the game too easy!
19:38:13 <gammafunk> 0.21 should have several large player nerfs
19:39:20 <gammafunk> if you look at total player time, 0.20 has a lot more, wow
19:39:59 <gammafunk> probably due to all players competing for good scores this time
19:40:15 <gammafunk> oh I misread a bit
19:40:42 <gammafunk> it's higher but by less than 2mo
19:40:52 -!- rumflump is now known as rumflump\OotC
19:55:51 <|amethyst> amalloy:  oh, haven't done elemental planes either
20:19:43 <Flexuosum> Hello all.. think I am missing something really straightforward but where is an existing player save loaded in the code? I am trying to implement something building on non-you player saves but am failing to figure out how to extract information from them
20:20:34 <Flexuosum> figure if I can use that as a jumping off point to figure out the rest
20:32:37 <gammafunk> !source restore_game
20:32:38 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/files.cc#L2012
20:32:56 <gammafunk> !source _restore_game
20:32:56 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/files.cc#L1904
20:33:08 <gammafunk> Flexuosum: that second function starts the loading process
20:33:12 <gammafunk> the first one is its caller
20:33:52 <|amethyst> most of the code is in tags.cc
20:33:57 <|amethyst> called from files.cc
20:34:28 <gammafunk> you'll find much of the higher level loading in files.cc, yeah, with the loading details in tags.cc
20:38:31 <Flexuosum> lovely, thanks!
20:50:23 <sedition> ZiBuDo: I'm seeing SQL errors on CJR leaderboard: https://imgur.com/a/j4D6i
20:50:28 <ZiBuDo> yea
20:50:31 <ZiBuDo> not fixing it
20:50:35 <ZiBuDo> not yet xD
20:50:48 <sedition> ok cool. just wanted to make sure someone was aware
20:50:48 <sedition> :)
20:50:48 <ZiBuDo> ty
20:50:48 <sedition> thanks for running CJR.
20:50:54 <ZiBuDo> lol np
20:52:31 <gammafunk> and thanks for not adding any more memes
20:52:42 <sedition> i like the fan art
20:53:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:25:29 -!- Bammboobies is now known as Bammboo
21:47:28 <gammafunk> elliptic: |amethyst: I updated the guide in the 0.20 branch on dcss_tourney: https://github.com/crawl/dcss_tourney/blob/0.20-tourney/tourney-guide.txt commit: https://github.com/crawl/dcss_tourney/commit/da873c6a6a3bf96542fc66d672bced37317ad2d2
21:48:25 <gammafunk> if anything is amiss, let me know
22:10:41 -!- rumflump is now known as rumflump\OotC
22:51:33 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-41-g5e91fef: Remove an entry vault that can get a player stuck behind grates 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e91feffef40
22:51:55 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.20] * 0.20.0-10-g0535bb4: Remove an entry vault that can get a player stuck behind grates 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0535bb423fa0
23:00:54 <gammafunk> !nchoice
23:00:56 <Sequell> Time for a new nchoice! It will appear shortly on the tournament website (if it hasn't yet). Type "=nemelex XXXX" to update !nchoice with the new combo, where XXXX should be replaced by the new combo.
23:00:57 <gammafunk> that was fast
23:01:13 <gammafunk> =nemelex MfCj
23:01:16 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => DEAM|DDAK|HOCj|BaEn|FoEn|MiVM|HaIE|VSEE|FeNe|GhWz|CeFE|SpTm|MuAM|TeWr|VpSk|KoAE|GrSu|OgEE|BaHu|MfCj
23:09:41 <Jorgrell> Stable (0.20) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20.0-10-g0535bb4
23:16:17 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
23:17:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
23:18:13 <ProzacElf> wow
23:18:24 <ProzacElf> a d:10 runed door vault with a yaktaur captain
23:18:32 <ProzacElf> and it only has a gozag and a makh altar
23:18:36 <ProzacElf> well played
23:19:05 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-41-g5e91fef (34)
23:20:31 <minmay> that's an ancient vault
23:43:46 <johnstein> @??centaur warrior
23:43:46 <Gretell> centaur warrior (08c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 45-63 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 922 | Sz: Large | Int: human.
23:59:37 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-41-g5e91fef (34)