00:00:35 <Eksell> Stable (0.20) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20.0-7-g3b7b877
01:59:54 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-38-g95c5c02
02:51:44 <gammafunk> !nchoice
02:51:51 <Sequell> FeNe: 0 wins || koboldina: CJR, L18 Necromancer of Ru || Yermak: CXC, L15 Spry of Uskayaw || Lavandula: CUE, L14 Nimble of Ru || rkdn42: CAO, L13 Nimble of Sif Muna || tlatlagkaus: CWZ, L13 Nimble of Elyvilon || mbj2: CAO, L11 Reanimator of Sif Muna || asonge: CWZ, L8 Nimble of Sif Muna || Chobophobe: CAO, L7 Covert of Nemelex Xobeh
02:52:46 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-38-g95c5c02
05:13:51 <Raine357> is there a way to see what in my .des vault is causing a crash during startup?
05:18:06 <Raine357> oops never mind missed a : in one of my KMONS weight lines
05:20:51 <gammafunk> Raine357: are you running it in windows?
05:21:02 <gammafunk> if so, run crawl from the windows console
05:21:16 <gammafunk> it will print any DES parsing errors to the console
05:21:44 <gammafunk> if you're on OS X or a unix, just launch it from a terminal; the graphical build will still run just fine when started from shell
05:22:11 <Raine357> out of convenience yeah I run compile debug on my linux laptop when I really need that
05:23:13 <gammafunk> you don't even need a debug compilation to see those errors
05:23:18 <gammafunk> on a normal build they'll be printed
05:23:54 <gammafunk> full debug compile is useful if you'd like to see details when the vault is trying to place, but it's not super helpful for des stuff generally
05:24:25 <Raine357> ah yeah
05:25:10 <Raine357> is the "loot is only potions and scrolls" thing a rule for sewers?
05:25:34 <Raine357> I'd like to add a couple of "any jewellery" but tbh scrolls would be fine if it's gotta be like that
05:26:34 <gammafunk> it's not a rule, there are some that place equipment
05:26:44 <gammafunk> see sewer_minmay_treatment
05:27:06 <Raine357> ah yeah I saw that
05:27:14 <gammafunk> however you'd want to place some consumables like those, yeah
05:27:41 <Raine357> it's gonna mostly be gold as the loot reward
05:27:41 <gammafunk> the frog islands place a superb_item and good_item
05:28:18 <gammafunk> well gold is good, but I wouldn't try to go too heavy on the loot just because of theme
05:28:53 <gammafunk> it's fine to place more gold than the others but if you made 90% of the loot gold, it's just going to be a sewer where players will be less excited about it
05:29:32 <gammafunk> I'm assuming this is a substantial sewer in terms of length/monsters and therefore loot
05:29:39 <Raine357> hmm no really
05:29:52 <Raine357> there's a big kobold and some cronies
05:29:53 <gammafunk> if it's a faster, easier one, those can get away with limited variety a bit more
05:29:55 <Raine357> 2 jelly
05:30:31 <Raine357> then the water randomly has the general sewer monsters spawn
05:30:59 <gammafunk> yeah, well it can be balanced after you've finished it
05:31:08 <Raine357> yep I'll post it here soon
05:31:23 <gammafunk> whatever you decide to place, just remember that the theme is only there to support the gameplay
05:31:30 <Raine357> ...will a kobold (or something of higher intelligence if that counts) read a scroll of noise if I give him one
05:31:52 <gammafunk> I don't know of monster will, but
05:31:59 <gammafunk> probably the best way to do something like that is an alarm trap
05:32:08 <Raine357> okie
05:32:12 <gammafunk> those are less spoilery
05:32:20 <Raine357> I have some in there
05:32:26 <gammafunk> at least in that the player can possibly detect them
05:32:30 <Raine357> but not in a place where you're forced to step on it
05:33:16 <gammafunk> preferably not, preferably their placement is randomized
05:33:24 <gammafunk> and again don't go overboard
05:33:51 <gammafunk> and it has to be in such a way that the trap would be relevant
05:34:03 <gammafunk> if it's at the end of the vault past where there are any monsters
05:34:09 <gammafunk> it's basically just a decoration
05:34:33 <gammafunk> so you kinda have to decide how well something like that will work in the vault
05:39:48 <Raine357> heh yeah I realised that it'd be pointless putting them in the loot room despite that making more sense for flavor
05:41:15 <gammafunk> it's ok to use them just as decoration, but they should probably just be known traps
10:06:48 <Lasty> gammafunk: The team "mother of all Xoms" really should be "mother of all BaAMs".
10:29:46 <wheals> !learn del reserved_clan_names[2
10:29:47 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[2/22]: Physical Recharging Gland (wheals)
12:28:58 <gammafunk> =nemelex GhWz
12:29:01 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => DEAM|DDAK|HOCj|BaEn|FoEn|MiVM|HaIE|VSEE|FeNe|GhWz
14:15:20 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-39-g28ea6b7: Update options doc to reflect default change in tile_web_mouse_control 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28ea6b7797f3
14:15:41 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.20] * 0.20.0-8-g6b59dc7: Update options doc to reflect default change in tile_web_mouse_control 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b59dc7fbf78
14:28:11 <advil> this person is disproportionately upset but they do seem to have identified that something has gone wrong w.r.t. case-preserving in the tournament scripts: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23704
14:29:55 <nikheizen> advil: this happens every tournament, there's something gfunk will have to run to fix it iirc
14:51:08 -!- Tickenest_ is now known as Tickenest
15:03:46 <Lantell> Stable (0.20) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20.0-8-g6b59dc7
15:10:01 <Jorgrell> Stable (0.20) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20.0-8-g6b59dc7
15:19:43 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-39-g28ea6b7 (34)
15:21:13 <gammafunk> the case is only relevant to presentation
15:22:35 <gammafunk> !lg turgon t
15:22:46 <Sequell> No games for turgon (t).
15:22:46 <gammafunk> that player hasn't played in the tournament
15:22:54 <gammafunk> but if they did have games, they'd be showing up
15:23:24 <gammafunk> http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.20/players/demise.html
15:23:33 <gammafunk> for example, even though he plays under 'Demise'
15:24:02 <gammafunk> I will be rebuilding the database probably tomorrow, but unless Turgon actually plays a tournament game before then
15:24:11 <gammafunk> their name will continue to be the wrong case
15:33:21 <advil> ah
15:33:39 <advil> yeah, I posted in that thread saying case doesn't matter
15:57:03 -!- VhfGood is now known as Bcadren
16:00:49 <advil> ok, they are still freaking out, and have now pointed out that in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/combo-scoreboard.html, some names appear with both capitalizations.  4tharraofdagon being the easiest to spot one. This seems to be because they actually have played under two capitalizations, though, so unrelated afaict
16:05:03 <gammafunk> yeah that's some weird issue with case-sensitivity in some old games?
16:05:17 <gammafunk> anyhow it wouldn't be an issue for tournament
16:05:27 <advil> yeah, I'm trying to convey that
16:05:50 <advil> 4tharraofdagon has an account with one capitalization on CUE, and the other on CXC
16:06:20 <advil> and I guess the CAO scoring pages aren't properly dropping capitals for just that one list (4th's player page is fine)
16:06:34 <gammafunk> yeah, I had seen that years ago
16:06:45 <gammafunk> no idea why that game has a problem
16:06:47 <advil> the new scoring page is doing it right, anyways
16:13:13 <advil> they are just *really worried* that their tournament high scores won't count
16:14:06 <|amethyst> actually, CAO scoring hasn't been restarted since CUE got 0.20
16:14:12 <|amethyst> I was waiting until CDO has it
16:14:17 <|amethyst> !lg * cdo 0.20
16:14:18 <Sequell> No games for * (cdo 0.20).
16:14:36 <bhaak> tournaments would be so much easier without players
16:14:51 <advil> maybe just qw
16:16:19 <advil> granted, that player definitely has more combo high scores than I do (which is to say, more than 0) so maybe they do have something to worry about
17:08:53 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals
17:14:45 <Eksell> quikTournament (L22 MiFi) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 366: screen write out of bounds: (-36,4) into (43,4) (Depths:4)
18:04:03 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-39-g28ea6b7 (34)
18:28:50 <johnstein> ^status
18:28:50 <Rotatell> 88 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=87% (135GB) | RAM usage=60% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 18:28:50 up 87 days, 23:07,  9 users,  load average: 1.55, 2.26, 2.34 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
18:29:08 <johnstein> I may have to copy over ttyrecs again during the tourney
18:29:39 <johnstein> at this rate I will have to start rsyncing them once a week. heh
18:31:06 <wheals> oh dang, watching a guy on cbro with gyre and gimble
18:31:40 <wheals> interesting, if you level up in the middle of an attack, it redraws the screen, so it shows up as "b) +5 quick blade "Gimble" {pierce, Dex-3}" on the right
18:31:43 <wheals> minor bug i guess
18:38:59 <advil> !crashlog quikTournament
18:39:00 <Sequell> 1. quikTournament, XL22 MiFi, T:69637 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/quikTournament/crash-quikTournament-20170529-211424.txt
19:30:42 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: some of the ttyrecs are compressed with xz, which support was added for later. also, perhaps the download speed is just low for some reason. but they've worked in the past
21:35:43 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: hrm, I've seen it download cpo ttyrecs and play them in the past, yeah
21:35:58 <gammafunk> I did see it was using xz
21:36:06 <gammafunk> I'll have to try loading up that tv again
21:36:10 <gammafunk> .gfgtr * cpo
21:36:11 <Sequell> 2. aesoa the Skirmisher (L1 FoAK of Lugonu), mangled by a guardian serpent on Abyss:2 (gammafunk_corrupted_shrine) on 2017-05-19 10:04:54, with 0 points after 30 turns and 0:00:44.
21:36:18 <gammafunk> .gfgtr * cpo -tv
21:36:19 <Sequell> 2. aesoa, XL1 FoAK, T:30 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:36:35 <gammafunk> this one loads
21:36:47 <gammafunk> .gfgtr * cpo -ttyrec
21:36:51 <Sequell> 2. aesoa, XL1 FoAK, T:30: https://crawl.project357.org/ttyrec/aesoa/2017-05-19.10:04:04.ttyrec.xz
21:36:56 <gammafunk> ah, and is xz
21:37:25 <gammafunk> I like that they saw there were groups of monsters
21:37:29 <gammafunk> and then decided to go in
21:37:38 <gammafunk> .gfgtr * cpo -2 -tv
21:37:39 <Sequell> 1/2. Raine357, XL27 HOSk, T:85046 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
21:37:46 <gammafunk> ah
21:37:47 <gammafunk> this is the one
21:37:51 <gammafunk> oh, and now it loads
21:37:55 <gammafunk> maybe just a temporary problem
21:38:10 <gammafunk> so yeah, no idea why it didn't load before
21:43:09 <gammafunk> johnstein: there was some lag on cbro when I played that would spike at times, but the game was overall pretty playable
21:43:42 <johnstein> ^status
21:43:42 <Rotatell> 102 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=86% (135GB) | RAM usage=72% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 21:43:42 up 88 days,  2:21,  9 users,  load average: 4.46, 4.51, 3.79 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
21:43:50 <johnstein> dat load average
21:43:59 <johnstein> I'm just thrilled it hasn't burned downh
21:44:02 <johnstein> dow n
21:44:03 <johnstein> down
21:44:16 <johnstein> I'm considering migrating before next tourney
21:45:18 <johnstein> do mutagenic chunks behave differently with New Mutation Rules? i.e. are they still just rolling a single random mutation (kinda like old !mut), or do they act more like the new !mut potions?
21:45:23 <johnstein> My assumption is the former
21:47:31 <johnstein> FR: allow octopodes to wear scarves (or did that boat already sail)?
21:47:40 <amalloy> i don't think chunks changed
21:53:12 <johnstein> nm about my scarf-wearing hipster octopodes. forgot they couldn't wear cloaks
22:17:58 -!- mibe_ is now known as mibe
23:24:52 <nikheizen> Q: Are P feature or creature?
23:28:46 <gammafunk> they're monsters
23:28:52 <gammafunk> they have HP, resistances etc
23:28:55 <gammafunk> @?plant
23:28:55 <Gretell> plant (03P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 10 | HP: 46-64 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: small | Int: brainless.
23:29:09 <gammafunk> @?fungus
23:29:09 <Gretell> fungus (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 8 | HP: 37-50 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless.
23:29:10 <nikheizen> thank
23:29:12 <gammafunk> @?toadstool
23:29:12 <Gretell> toadstool (07P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless.
23:59:33 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-39-g28ea6b7 (34)