00:06:22 <johnstein> ^status
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00:06:23 <Rotatell> 42 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=95% (135GB) | RAM usage=29% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 00:06:22 up 77 days,  4:44,  2 users,  load average: 0.61, 0.82, 0.86 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
00:13:04 <minmay> hello naughty devs, its time to talk about monster AI
00:13:21 <minmay> !lm . -tv:>$:x3
00:13:22 <Sequell> 33059. minmay, XL12 TeSu, T:13295 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
00:13:52 <minmay> ugh I guess this starts overly early, oh well
00:14:05 <minmay> !lm . -tv:cancel
00:14:05 <Sequell> 33059. minmay, XL12 TeSu, T:13295 (milestone) cancel requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
00:15:53 <minmay> anyway: back in 0.9 or something galehar added a thing where if you damage a monster that can't reach you, the monster retreats (and then comes back after a few turns)
00:16:55 <minmay> the biggest problem with this is that the rules for this often make a monster retreat even when it can clearly reach you (and will, if you leave it alone for a few turns)
00:17:44 <minmay> so if you have a statue, or a deep water or lava square, you can make almost any monster flee from you just by hitting it with low damage at range
00:19:58 <minmay> !lm . must uniq=boris place=swamp:3 -tv
00:20:00 <Sequell> 1. minmay, XL16 MuSt, T:72076 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
00:20:19 <minmay> here is a demonstration of how this can be abused in practice (very old but the AI hasn't really changed since then)
00:20:41 <ProzacElf> i've periodically abused that for a long time
00:20:41 <minmay> obviously trees always block LOS now but you can just use a statue instead
00:20:47 <ProzacElf> but it more frequently just annoys me
00:21:35 <Rotatell> Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: v1.0-299-g3f2bf18
00:22:32 <minmay> As you read the scroll labeled NITEOTA MAEMM, it crumbles to dust.
00:22:32 <minmay> It is a scroll of brand weapon.
00:22:39 <minmay> also can you fix autofight with launchers thx
00:23:17 <gammafunk> hrm
00:23:24 <gammafunk> so you use tab with a launcher
00:23:34 <gammafunk> and it just reads a scroll...what, randomly?
00:23:37 <minmay> and it reads a scroll on h, j, k, l, y, u, b, n, or r, yes
00:23:45 <gammafunk> god
00:23:47 <ProzacElf> ....
00:23:52 <ProzacElf> i'm amazed i've never run into that
00:23:53 <gammafunk> does this happen every time
00:23:56 <minmay> because it's trying to press 'r' to move the cursor to me, but it's not in the targeter, so it reads a scroll instead
00:24:22 <minmay> and then it presses some more keys to move the targeter to the monster, which actually picks a scroll
00:24:26 <minmay> to read
00:24:36 <gammafunk> that's a nasty one
00:25:02 <minmay> no, it doesn't happen every time; if you grab a launcher and mash tab it should happen fairly easily
00:26:11 <minmay> similarly, pressing tab with launchers can also make you move towards the monster it wanted to target instead (and unlike the scroll thing you can't get around that by rearranging inventory letters/making autoinscriptions)
00:26:27 <minmay> also all of this applies to reaching melee weapons too, obviously
00:42:36 <gammafunk> !crash sage1234
00:42:37 <Sequell> 8. sage1234, XL8 MuMo, T:7658 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/sage1234/crash-sage1234-20161125-055253.txt
01:00:33 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L13 HOSu)  (Lair:5)
01:00:51 <gammafunk> once again that bot
01:12:22 <alexjurkiewicz> dat bot
01:19:53 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d (34)
01:57:46 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d
02:53:00 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0
03:44:43 <Yermak> Does rCorr decrease number of *Corrode procs?
04:14:20 <ProzacElf> i feel like the answer to that is "yes"
04:14:23 <ProzacElf> but i'm not actually sure
04:14:57 <ProzacElf> i do however know that *corrode and rcorr no longer appear together on randarts in part because i kept bitching about it =p
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05:24:31 <hawthornbunny> So I thought "you know, it'd be nice if Crawl notified you when something on your shopping list becomes affordable"
05:25:03 <hawthornbunny> And I implemented it, and tested it, and then found that Crawl's had this feature all along, and I somehow haven't ever noticed, even when looking for it
05:27:08 <ProzacElf> yeah, it's done that a long time
05:31:19 <hawthornbunny> I guess the message must always have gotten swallowed up in the backlog
05:31:30 <hawthornbunny> Or more likely it's because I never get far enough to need a shopping list :)
05:32:11 <ProzacElf> heh
05:36:30 <Cheibriados> Autoexplore tells me that there is a transporter even though I haven't seen it 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11066 by Fingolfin
05:42:22 <gammafunk> interesting bug report
05:42:40 <gammafunk> not sure if they're correct that no transporter has been seen
05:42:55 <gammafunk> since the note can only be generated by a tile coming into view
06:16:54 <nikheizen> speaking of which, i need to add a more prompt for when stuff on my shopping list becomes buyable
06:16:57 <nikheizen> i always forget
06:20:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
07:28:17 <hawthornbunny> Where do people discuss ideas these days? I see the brainstorm pages on the dev wiki, but it seems like that's not used much any more
07:32:40 <hawthornbunny> Never mind, I think I found it. I assume it's the Tavern
07:34:26 <nikheizen> hah
07:41:08 <gammafunk> you can discuss ideas here in dev, but GDD is not a bad place to post a proposal
07:41:19 <gammafunk> it will get you feedback from experienced players
07:41:35 <gammafunk> possibly more quickly than here in -dev
07:43:42 <nikheizen> what is the shopping list message btw
07:52:30 <hawthornbunny> For when something becomes affordable?
07:52:40 <hawthornbunny> "You now have enough gold to" ...
07:53:07 <hawthornbunny> ShoppingList::gold_changed in shopping.cc
07:53:31 <nikheizen> right, "You now have enough gold to"
07:53:32 <nikheizen> thanks
08:55:16 <Rotatell> raszama (L11 CeFi) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 453: invalid map border at (79,38): granite_statue (D:10)
09:03:31 <|amethyst> !crashlog
09:03:32 <Sequell> 17312. raszama, XL11 CeFi, T:10788 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/raszama/crash-raszama-20170519-125505.txt
09:07:57 <advil> for some reason I thought that issue was fixed, I think it's a specific thing in the_grid?
09:16:17 <nikheizen> solution: delete the_grid
09:23:23 <|amethyst> looks like minmay_the_grid_triangle_9x9_line_8
09:23:45 <|amethyst> the north side of that should have some other letter that gets mapped to x after the_grid_main_setup
09:24:10 <|amethyst> the_grid_main_setup uses quite a few letters, though, so have to be careful what you pick
09:25:03 <|amethyst> "This turns every alphabetic character except x, y, and z into walls, so plan ahead."
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13:20:30 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:20:53 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:21:11 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:21:33 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:23:49 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:25:24 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:29:51 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:33:34 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
13:33:50 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
14:14:08 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
14:25:37 <minmay> !tell |amethyst I keep mentioning that line_8 bug in this channel; adding a buffer of stone to the edge will fix it. The reason I made the buggy vault in the first place, btw, is that the visual aid in syntax.txt for ORIENT: is wrong
14:25:38 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
14:41:42 <minmay> !tell gammafunk i had a dream last night that was too complicated to explain, plus another dream that crawl had a +66 club unrand
14:41:43 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
14:59:07 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus
15:02:04 <steakbbq> Hi, I'm interested in looking into the viability of making a 3d engine for dcss. Anything like that in the works atm?
15:02:50 <|amethyst> no, but there is noteye:  http://www.roguetemple.com/z/noteye/
15:07:20 <|amethyst> minmay:  I have a question about the_grid
15:07:42 <|amethyst> minmay:  in triangle_9x9_recursive_3 there are n and b in addition to x
15:07:51 <|amethyst> minmay:  don't those all get substituted to x anyway?
15:12:53 <Doesnty> oh, i have a dumb thing to complain about
15:13:03 <Doesnty> i don't think it's obvious that green tiles in the abyss == rune is nearby
15:13:19 <ProzacElf> ?
15:13:31 <Doesnty> every abyssal vault has a specific green tile on the outside of it somewhere
15:13:34 <Doesnty> if it has the rune
15:13:44 <ProzacElf> huh, i never noticed
15:13:49 <ProzacElf> although rune vaults tend to stick out anyway
15:14:00 <ProzacElf> if you're reasonably familiar with vault generation
15:15:33 <Doesnty> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/floor/crystal_floor0.png this one
15:15:39 <Doesnty> or one of the ones like it anyway
15:16:41 <|amethyst> there is even a comment specifically asking rune vault authors to retile and recolour some tiles
15:16:52 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/branches/abyss.des:1054
15:16:53 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des#L1054
15:16:57 <Doesnty> yeah
15:17:28 <Doesnty> http://i.imgur.com/yWXmrUM.png ok it's one of these at random
15:17:30 <|amethyst> I guess we could instead use a tile with a banner that says "rune here"
15:18:02 <Doesnty> maybe the rune could put itself on the map when you get nearby?
15:18:15 <Doesnty> "you sense the power of the rune nearby"
15:18:29 <Doesnty> explicitly showing its position would break at least one vault though
15:19:39 <|amethyst> minmay:  hm... I'm trying to test this, but with or without the modification I can't get the vault to place
15:20:00 <|amethyst> minmay:  it aborts after being vetoed however many hundred times
15:20:14 <|amethyst> minmay:  whether using &P or adding PLACE: D:2
15:49:26 <Rotatell> raszama (L6 CeGl)  (D:5)
15:49:46 <|amethyst> !crashlog
15:49:47 <Sequell> 17323. raszama, XL6 CeGl, T:4300 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/raszama/crash-raszama-20170519-194915.txt
15:50:06 <|amethyst> hm
15:50:35 <|amethyst> this one (same user, different crash) is a segfault from clua_push_item on something in the stash
16:54:16 <minmay> |amethyst: oops, you're right, the n and b do get substituted. I wrote it before the_grid_main_setup was a thing and forgot to change those to account for it.
16:55:26 <minmay> |amethyst: hm, I don't think I understand the code for ORIENT: north/east/south/west placement, in that case. I'd suggest just removing/disabling line_8 at this point
16:56:08 <minmay> !source docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt:146
16:56:10 <Sequell> Can't find docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt.
16:56:21 <minmay> !source ../docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt:146
16:56:21 <Sequell> Bad filename: ../docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt
16:57:13 <minmay> My only guess as to why it vetoes so much would be that it produces an island in the NW corner, but that's just a guess and a bad one at that
16:58:59 <minmay> I've been thinking about toning down the monsters and loot in the_grid subvaults anyway
17:31:31 <gammafunk> wouldn't be a terrible idea
17:32:16 <gammafunk> I never did get around to looking at its monster/loot dist
17:33:52 <amalloy> someone was in here a week or two ago (nikheizen i think) saying that the monsters in the_grid were extremely hard
17:34:09 <amalloy> looking at it, it seemed like you intended them to be hard, so i didn't suggest changing it
17:34:19 <amalloy> but indeed the monsters there did seem quite hard for its depth
17:36:16 <gammafunk> Doesn't it only place in Depths? I guess it's probably both the quantity and the fact that so many are 8 (or maybe 9, I haven't looked in detail)
17:36:34 <gammafunk> but I was more concerned by the quantity
17:38:09 <amalloy> in nikheizen's case it was much less deep iirc. maybe i'm confused about which vault you mean; there's an encompass map as well as some smaller versions, right?
17:46:42 <gammafunk> ah, you were talking about the float vault probably
17:46:55 <gammafunk> the encompass uses the same subvaults I think
17:49:17 <CanOfWorms> gammafunk: it will gladly place itself in mid-D
17:49:56 <CanOfWorms> you got it once in D in your stream, it was that vault that was partially locked off due to a typo in one of the subvaults
17:51:09 <gammafunk> CanOfWorms: I was talking about the encompass
17:51:20 <gammafunk> which I suppose is actually named the_grid_ultimate
17:51:51 <CanOfWorms> ah
17:51:54 <gammafunk> and I was talking about that one in particular because a few people have complained about how many monsters it places and how hard it is
17:52:07 <gammafunk> but yeah sounds like nikheizen was talking about the float the_grid
17:52:19 <gammafunk> minmay's change would affect both vaults I believe
18:17:23 <minmay> it would affect all the vaults, yeah
18:19:37 <minmay> basically just changing most of the 8s to 9s and reducing loot (if any) in the affected subvaults
18:29:01 <Shimatora> hello, encountered an error and was wondering if this type of error warrants a save game upload or if I shouldn't bother http://shima.s-ul.eu/PyZw9RkU
18:29:04 <minmay> I'll go ahead and PR that now-ish since it's really fast and won't have a real effect on game balance
18:33:54 <gammafunk> Shimatora: ah
18:34:00 <gammafunk> that'a an error with my vault
18:34:04 <gammafunk> does it not place in zot
18:34:06 <gammafunk> let me go test
18:34:13 <Shimatora> alright
18:34:53 <gammafunk> interesting
18:38:00 <gammafunk> aha
18:38:48 <gammafunk> I see what the problem is
18:38:51 <gammafunk> it's default-depth
18:38:55 <gammafunk> time to move the vault to its own file
18:39:36 <Shimatora> alright cool, should the game play normally from now or
18:39:39 <Shimatora> just missing a vault?
18:41:02 <gammafunk> yes
18:41:09 <gammafunk> the level should be fine
18:41:13 <Shimatora> sweet
18:41:13 <gammafunk> thanks for reporting that!
18:41:22 <Shimatora> no problem, good luck on 0.20 release
18:50:03 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-1-gaf3b9a5: Move a float vault to its own DES file (Shimatora) 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 171+ 169-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af3b9a5c4d06
18:50:59 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.20] * 0.20-b1-1-g3d835f5: Move a float vault to its own DES file (Shimatora) 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 171+ 169-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d835f55af15
18:51:02 <gammafunk> first commit of 0.21 woooo
18:54:28 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: i found a transporter vault with an artifact ring on d:2
18:54:50 <gammafunk> probably the overflow altar one
18:55:03 <gammafunk> I think I'm going to adjust that vault
18:55:33 <gammafunk> one to give the vault lower weight and two to maybe thin out some loot
18:55:39 <gammafunk> weight adjust alone might be fine
18:55:42 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah, there's a hep altar inside
18:55:46 <gammafunk> yep
18:55:47 <gammafunk> .gftr
18:55:48 <Sequell> 48. GlassEater the Bolt Thrower (L5 HuHu), slain by a phantom on D:3 (gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena) on 2017-05-19 21:55:17, with 132 points after 2695 turns and 0:06:35.
18:55:53 <gammafunk> .gftr s=kmap
18:55:53 <Sequell> 48 games for * (kmap~~temple_of_torment|overflow_arena|the_bubble|sealed_library|sealed_arena|wand_slinger|steamed_eel|jiyva_shrine|beogh_shrine|corrupted_shrine): 25x gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena, 5x gammafunk_steamed_eel, 3x gammafunk_corrupted_shrine, 2x gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_split, 2x gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_plus_minus, 2x gammafunk_temple_of_torment,...
18:55:56 <gammafunk> it's uh
18:55:57 <alexjurkiewicz> 48 kills already!
18:55:58 <alexjurkiewicz> oh
18:56:11 <gammafunk> rather good at killing people
18:56:11 <gammafunk> 25
18:56:13 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * kmap=gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena
18:56:14 <Sequell> 25. GlassEater the Bolt Thrower (L5 HuHu), slain by a phantom on D:3 (gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena) on 2017-05-19 21:55:17, with 132 points after 2695 turns and 0:06:35.
18:56:26 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * kmap=gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena s=xl
18:56:26 <Sequell> 25 games for * (kmap=gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena): 7x 3, 5x 4, 5x 6, 3x 5, 2x 8, 2x 10, 9
18:56:35 <alexjurkiewicz> wow kills at xl10
18:56:44 <gammafunk> some of the tvs
18:56:50 <gammafunk> people don't even bother seeing what's in the vault
18:56:51 <amalloy> !vault gammafunk_temple_overflow_arena
18:56:51 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des#L4018
18:57:01 <gammafunk> they look at's visible near the transporter
18:57:03 <gammafunk> and just hop in
18:57:13 <gammafunk> then they panic when they land inside and there are more monsters
18:57:19 <gammafunk> but they could have walked around the vault to see that
18:57:31 <gammafunk> poor, foolish players...so trusting....
18:57:53 <gammafunk> my favorite tvs are from the steamed_eel vault
18:57:58 <alexjurkiewicz> well transporters are new, maybe once people get used to them they'll be more discerning
18:58:00 <gammafunk> that was concieved of by ultraviolent4
18:58:32 <alexjurkiewicz> man, does ozocubu's armour only work with a robe?
18:58:36 <gammafunk> no
18:58:41 <gammafunk> ??ozocubu's armour
18:58:41 <Sequell> ozocubu's armour[1/1]: Level 3 charms/ice spell that gives you more AC. Usable with armour ER < 5. Slows your movement by 1 aut/move while active.
18:58:42 <CanOfWorms> up to leather, troll or regular
18:58:47 <gammafunk> yeah
18:58:52 <CanOfWorms> and steam dragon armour since that's same ER as robe
18:59:06 <gammafunk> no longer with acid/mottled though
18:59:57 <gammafunk> btw if anyone has any tourney rule changes
19:00:21 <gammafunk> I think one suggestion was to have all gods have the xom/gozag rules for awarding god points
19:01:00 <gammafunk> oh, I was going to say it makes jiyva harder but
19:01:02 <gammafunk> it doesn't really
19:01:27 <gammafunk> since the original rules require getting to champion without worshiping any other gods before that one
19:01:45 <alexjurkiewicz> oh, i just got that weird lua error again!
19:01:50 <alexjurkiewicz> Failed to load map, reloading all maps (Map was built for a different version of Crawl (lemuel_castle_with_subvaults) (map: 116.47 us: 34.187)).
19:01:51 <gammafunk> for the_bubble?
19:01:56 <gammafunk> oh
19:02:07 <alexjurkiewicz> the thing that CPO used to have for a while and then it vanished for a long time
19:02:11 <alexjurkiewicz> the loch ness of bugs
19:02:20 <gammafunk> ah, something about the way you do builds maybe
19:02:59 <gammafunk> hmmm
19:03:03 <gammafunk> 116.47
19:03:10 <gammafunk> that 34.187 is
19:03:17 <gammafunk> I assume, major version tag and minor tag
19:03:23 <gammafunk> but 116.47 looks like nonsense
19:03:42 <gammafunk> there is no major version 116 and we're way past 47 minor version
19:03:58 <gammafunk> seems like the cache file is either corrupted or was misread somehow
19:04:09 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah
19:04:23 <alexjurkiewicz> but clearly the cache file is fine, as other people are playing without issue
19:04:39 <gammafunk> its one copy of the cache for everyone?
19:05:26 <alexjurkiewicz> yes, right?
19:05:31 <alexjurkiewicz> cache.0.20-a0-1127-g1289703/ or whatever
19:05:35 <alexjurkiewicz> it's in the save dir
19:05:56 <gammafunk> well
19:06:02 <gammafunk> I would say that
19:06:05 <gammafunk> you're just the canary
19:06:16 <gammafunk> you were the first person to load this corrupted cache file
19:06:16 <alexjurkiewicz> all the files in there were modified at 23:00
19:06:33 <gammafunk> !lm chequers
19:06:33 <Sequell> 15919. [2017-05-19 23:00:51] chequers the Chiller (L6 DsIE) killed Eustachio on turn 4095. (D:4)
19:06:33 <gammafunk> yeah
19:06:37 <alexjurkiewicz> and created
19:06:43 <gammafunk> so it's not so much a problem for no one else
19:06:52 <gammafunk> as it is that you were the poor soul to first load it
19:07:07 <gammafunk> and your crawl rebuilt the cache as it said
19:07:09 <alexjurkiewicz> i wonder if something on the server is cleaning the cache files periodically....
19:07:20 <gammafunk> well it did load something
19:07:38 <gammafunk> if the file were merely deleted I think it would simply rebuild the cache?
19:07:57 <gammafunk> I don't recall the specifics of how des cache loading works there
19:08:23 <gammafunk> this seems to be it actually attempting to load the cache file and getting some nonsense
19:09:25 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah. I guess deleting the files under crawl wouldn't really cause nonsense
19:09:34 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: oh!
19:09:39 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-1-gaf3b9a5 (34)
19:09:51 <gammafunk> Raine357: I just tried to enter depths
19:09:51 <gammafunk> [6:05 PM] Raine357: got some message about the map being generated for a different version of crawl (something about minmay vault)
19:09:54 <gammafunk> [6:05 PM] Raine357: then the message box filled up with the text from the arena of blood sprint
19:10:01 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: Raine357 just posted this
19:10:04 <gammafunk> 4 minutes ago
19:10:05 <alexjurkiewicz> hm!
19:10:36 <alexjurkiewicz> so two people get the error. I wonder if they both tried to regenerate the cache simultaneously?
19:10:56 <alexjurkiewicz> where is that? ##crawl?
19:11:00 <gammafunk> Discord
19:11:02 <gammafunk> roguelikes
19:11:18 <gammafunk> and yeah don't dgl servers make a copy of the dir for each game
19:11:32 <alexjurkiewicz> i thought it was for each version of the game
19:12:03 <gammafunk> |amethyst is most familiar with how it works
19:12:19 <gammafunk> I understood that at one point but haven't looked at the scripts in a while
19:12:23 <alexjurkiewicz> i think because i halted my session with gdb everyone will get it
19:12:38 <gammafunk> I want to say even for stable people get a copy
19:12:42 <gammafunk> what may happen is with each rebuild
19:12:43 <alexjurkiewicz> can I dump the state of the process so I can detach and debug later?
19:12:59 <alexjurkiewicz> s/later/"offline"/
19:13:47 <gammafunk> I don't think there's anything like that, you're not running a VM or anything
19:14:01 <gammafunk> *running it through a VM
19:15:09 <amalloy> i mean, if you have it in gdb you can do a lot with it
19:15:13 <amalloy> generate-core-file appears to be a gdb command
19:16:03 <amalloy> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Core-File-Generation.html
19:16:17 <alexjurkiewicz> man, this core file seems useless
19:16:27 <alexjurkiewicz> the original process had like 30 levels in the stack trace, this has 4
19:17:52 <alexjurkiewicz> oh no, i can load them all
19:18:35 <alexjurkiewicz> so the only time I delete cache files is at 1800, and it's only old ones, so I can't imagine that introducing a latent error that arrives at 2300
19:18:51 <alexjurkiewicz> |amethyst: do dgl-config servers have a cachefile per-user?
19:19:10 <gammafunk> I wouldn't be surprised if it's something about concurrent updates/loads to the cache
19:19:31 <gammafunk> like it would be sane to have the cache rebuilt in the central dir for the game after the build
19:19:38 <gammafunk> and then a new game gets a copy of that dir
19:20:05 <gammafunk> it does take more disk space that is permanently taken if the game is just parked
19:20:21 <alexjurkiewicz> well you can always clear the user's cache when they close the game
19:20:37 <gammafunk> clear the user's cache?
19:20:39 <alexjurkiewicz> but I haven't changed the cache save path. it's just always in the save dir. I can't see how other servers would have per-user versions
19:21:00 <gammafunk> other servers have dgl scripts
19:21:08 <alexjurkiewicz> oh, you know what. There is one important difference with CPO
19:21:10 <gammafunk> which manage the start of each game
19:21:17 <alexjurkiewicz> automatic trunk updates
19:21:28 <alexjurkiewicz> at 2250 you made a DES file commit to trunk
19:21:29 <gammafunk> cjr has automatic trunk updates
19:21:39 <alexjurkiewicz> 2300 is when the trunk rebuild script runs
19:21:41 <gammafunk> they just run every hour
19:21:47 <gammafunk> instead of every 15 minutes
19:22:05 <gammafunk> I mean all servers have automatic trunk updates
19:22:05 <gammafunk> just only running daily, but cjr is hourly
19:22:05 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe games that run through a rebuild that modifies DES contents trigger this error
19:22:18 <gammafunk> yeah, but that would be an issue on other servers as well
19:22:29 <gammafunk> especially those busy ones that are frequently running games during rebuilds
19:22:29 <alexjurkiewicz> well, other servers do it differently. They don't update the version users are playing unless they agree
19:22:39 <gammafunk> not true for stable
19:22:56 <alexjurkiewicz> I mean, the cache file has a version in its name, so I still can't quite see how this would break
19:23:21 <alexjurkiewicz> but I am betting a commit to DES files => rebuild stands a chance of breaking running games on CPO
19:23:56 <gammafunk> commit to des file is going to mean a rebuild of the cache, since the des file changes
19:24:06 <gammafunk> I think the core issue is what's happening during a des cache rebuild
19:24:28 <gammafunk> it's not that it's a commit per se, simply a byproduct of two users running crawl at the same time
19:24:37 <gammafunk> and both procs attempting to update des cache in the same dir
19:24:40 <gammafunk> that would be my guess at least
19:26:02 <alexjurkiewicz> but the des cache is in the cache directory, which is versioned
19:28:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
19:28:57 <gammafunk> yeah but these users would be running the same version
19:38:14 <gammafunk> hrm
19:38:19 <gammafunk> maybe it does just rely on locking
19:42:07 <gammafunk> yeah looking at the dgl stuff it's not making special copies of the data either, for each game
19:42:33 <gammafunk> So I guess it normally just relies on locking so that if a proc is updating the cache, the others will wait
19:43:24 <|amethyst> yeah, on the other servers there is one cache dir per trunk version, and one per stable/expl branch, under the saves/ directory
19:47:32 <|amethyst> and uses a per-cache-file lock file to ensure there is no concurrent writing (and no reading while it's being written)
19:49:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
19:49:36 <alexjurkiewicz> is that lock file part of crawl?
19:49:50 <alexjurkiewicz> eg not something i'm missing because of skipping dgl-config
19:50:00 <|amethyst> well, one lock per group of .dsc + .idx + .lux file
19:50:05 <|amethyst> yeah, it's done it crawl
19:50:09 <|amethyst> s/it/in/
19:51:19 <|amethyst> !source _load_map_cache
19:51:20 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/maps.cc#L1317
19:51:23 <|amethyst> !source _write_map_cache
19:51:24 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/maps.cc#L1400
19:52:28 <alexjurkiewicz> so can probably rule out that locking going wrong
19:52:41 <alexjurkiewicz> and each trunk update is built into a dedicated directory, just sharing the save directory
19:53:16 <|amethyst> yeah, but (say) 0.19 updates do all use the same dir
19:57:41 <|amethyst> I wouldn't necessarily rule out locking going wrong, but it's not clear why this wouldn't affect other servers shortly after midnight occasionally
19:57:52 <|amethyst> "midnight"
20:00:00 <gammafunk> also would affect cjr, which hasn't had any issues
20:00:04 <gammafunk> with hourly rebuilds
20:00:23 <gammafunk> at least not this error, which has some fairly specific behaviour
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/540 (6 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.20-a0-959-g13f1425: Revise and expand the_grid 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 3277+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13f1425b8d66
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-2-g001a6e4: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/minqmay/crawl 10(2 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/001a6e4ee97f
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-3-gf9d09a0: Fix translucent stone and green crystal in minmay_the_grid_9x9_recursive_3. 10(87 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9d09a050f52
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-4-gd08ae7a: Remove minmay_the_grid_triangle_9x9_line_8 10(87 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d08ae7aca90d
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-5-gbd9a084: Add no_monster_gen to minmay_the_grid_ultimate 10(82 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd9a084de4b7
20:03:30 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-6-ga4d6709: Another major the_grid revision 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 635+ 583-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4d670913321
20:05:49 <minmay> uh, I forgot to disable the translucent transformations
20:05:51 <minmay> so hold on while I do that
20:08:41 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-7-gb28b37b: Remove translucent transformations from the_grid_setup 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b28b37b0d47e
20:13:51 <Cheibriados> 03minmay02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/540 * 0.21-a0-8-gb1eee6c: Comment fix. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1eee6c6eec6
20:24:57 <gammafunk> minmay: is that first commit valid?
20:25:09 <gammafunk> oh
20:25:14 <gammafunk> it's even versioned in 0.20-a
20:25:39 <gammafunk> I guess it's because you updated the old PR
20:26:08 <minmay> I didn't make a new fork, yeah
20:27:08 <minmay> should have squashed I guess
20:30:50 <gammafunk> hopefully I can merge those soon
20:31:52 <minmay> also those should probably go into 0.20 as well
20:35:19 -!- atrocityvoyeur is now known as Quilel
20:47:19 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb
20:47:54 <gammafunk> yes
21:23:02 -!- Quilel is now known as GlasyaLabolas
21:38:28 <minmay> You climb upwards.
21:38:28 <minmay> Error: constricting[Duvessa(mindex=2 mid=109)] entry missing for monster
21:38:29 <minmay> you(mindex=27001 mid=-1)
21:38:46 <minmay> It appears that if you riposte a monster while descending stairs, and begin constricting it as a result, crawl doesn't like it when you go back up the stairs
21:40:40 <|amethyst> amalloy:  finally got the orb of yendor
21:43:10 <minmay> also this happening with duvessa is entirely a coincidence
22:13:00 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/534 * 0.20-a0-1125-g19bc100: Sink coc_grunt 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 50-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19bc100825ab
22:18:10 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/534 * 0.20-a0-1126-gd9d4e15: Fix some more ugly pathways. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9d4e15ec611
22:39:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
23:13:15 <gammafunk> !lg * cv=0.20-b
23:13:16 <Sequell> No games for * (cv=0.20-b).
23:13:31 <gammafunk> &versions vlong~~0.20-b
23:13:44 <Sequell> CAO: none, CBRO: none, CDO: none, CJR: none, CPO: none, CUE: none, CWZ: none, CXC: 0.20-b1, LLD: none
23:14:03 <gammafunk> interesting
23:14:09 <gammafunk> wonder how cxc got added
23:14:28 <gammafunk> !lg * cxc vlong~~0.20-b1 x=file
23:14:29 <Sequell> 514. [file=cxc/crawl/meta/git/logfile] Dominolapin the Geomancer (L14 GrEE of Vehumet), mangled by a death yak on Lair:6 on 2017-05-20 02:09:07, with 51640 points after 19518 turns and 0:59:04.
23:14:36 <gammafunk> hmmm
23:15:12 <gammafunk> !lg * x=cv,vlong
23:15:12 <Sequell> 7280059. [cv=0.20-a;vlong=0.20-a0-1122-gb7cbeb9] kml1283 the Severer (L16 MiFi of Gozag), shot by a satyr (sling bullet) (kmap: cheibrodos_shoals_satyrical_garden) on Shoals:1 on 2017-05-20 03:14:14, with 107445 points after 26109 turns and 0:43:45.
23:16:25 <gammafunk> !lg * cxc day cv~~0.20 s=vlong
23:16:25 <Sequell> 333 games for * (cxc day cv~~0.20): 332x 0.20-b1, 0.20-a0-1127-g1289703
23:16:48 <gammafunk> Medar: I'm not sure why, but you seem to have 0.20-b1 games showing up in your trunk logfile
23:17:36 <gammafunk> Medar: these should be showing up in http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/meta/0.20/logfile only
23:18:32 <gammafunk> I see previous trunk games in the cxc trunk logfile as well, so the old one didn't get clobbered
23:18:59 <gammafunk> !lg turgon opfi  d:3
23:19:00 <Sequell> 2. Turgon the Sneak (L4 OpFi), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:3 (led_sif_book) on 2017-05-20 01:51:43, with 93 points after 477 turns and 0:06:42.
23:19:03 <gammafunk> !lg turgon opfi  d:3 x=cv
23:19:04 <Sequell> 2. [cv=0.20-a] Turgon the Sneak (L4 OpFi), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:3 (led_sif_book) on 2017-05-20 01:51:43, with 93 points after 477 turns and 0:06:42.
23:19:06 <gammafunk> !lg turgon opfi  d:3 x=cv,vlong
23:19:07 <Sequell> 2. [cv=0.20-a;vlong=0.20-b1] Turgon the Sneak (L4 OpFi), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:3 (led_sif_book) on 2017-05-20 01:51:43, with 93 points after 477 turns and 0:06:42.