00:00:02 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1127-g1289703 (34)
00:04:44 <minmay> isn't there already a bonus for winning the first tournament game?
00:05:41 <Doesnty> there's a bonus for your first win, but not for winning your first game i think?
00:06:43 <Doesnty> i'm not sure if they meant your first game of the tournament or *the* first game of the tournament though
00:10:56 <minmay> i stand corrected
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1128-g1ee7987: Remove whitespace from a vault 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 18+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ee79874b9b8
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1129-g05fe413: Make a minivault a float vault instead 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 169+ 171-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05fe413b205b
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1130-g89d5f5d: Two transporter float vaults 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 112+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89d5f5d81504
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1131-g2fcdf13: Some transporter altar vaults for non-temple gods 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 157+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2fcdf1346b74
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1132-ge03441e: Two overflow transporter vaults 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 95+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e03441e5eb43
00:33:07 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1133-gf195039: Two wand-themed transporter vaults 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 78+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1950390862f
01:10:39 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1133-gf195039 (34)
01:11:08 <Cheibriados> New branch created: stone_soup-0.20 (0 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/stone_soup-0.20
01:15:33 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1134-g0b12a6d: Updates to the Debian changelog from 0.19 releases 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b12a6df10bd
01:21:57 <gammafunk> %git 0.20-b1
01:21:57 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.20-b1: Two wand-themed transporter vaults 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 78+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1950390862f
01:25:27 <gammafunk> %git
01:25:27 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.21-a0: Updates to the Debian changelog from 0.19 releases 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b12a6df10bd
01:25:47 <gammafunk> %git stone_soup-0.20
01:25:47 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.20-b1: Two wand-themed transporter vaults 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 78+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1950390862f
01:26:08 <gammafunk> ok, 0.20 is branched in stone_soup-0.20 and trunk is now 0.21-a
01:46:15 <gammafunk> !tell TZer0 We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CUE whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
01:46:16 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
01:46:28 <gammafunk> !tell Medar We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CXC whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
01:46:28 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let medar know.
01:46:40 <gammafunk> !tell napkin We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CDO whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
01:46:40 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let napkin know.
01:46:54 <gammafunk> !tell alexjurkiewicz We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CPO whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
01:46:55 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know.
01:47:07 <gammafunk> ??cjr
01:47:07 <Sequell> cjr[1/2]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks:8081/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo (admin@jorgrun.rocks) and Grammus. SSH login info: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/console.html.
01:47:12 <gammafunk> !seen zibudo
01:47:12 <Sequell> I last saw ZiBuDo at Sun Apr 16 18:04:53 2017 UTC (4w 3d 11h 42m 19s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'.
01:47:18 <gammafunk> I'll email zibudo
01:47:37 <gammafunk> !tell johnstein We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CBRO whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
01:47:38 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know.
01:47:58 <gammafunk> and email hong and tweet dplusplus
01:48:24 <gammafunk> and facebook neil and buy a greensnark on amazon
01:49:00 <gammafunk> oh I pinged him, oops
02:01:42 <hellmonk> !tell johnstein can I get a hellcrawl update please? pushed some bugfixes
02:01:42 <Sequell> hellmonk: OK, I'll let johnstein know.
02:02:24 <hellmonk> alexjurkiewicz, can I get a hellcrawl update please?
02:08:55 <rumflump> scheduling the .20 tournament during junethack!
02:10:05 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d (34)
02:17:14 <nikheizen> both the crawl tourneys happen at the same time as either junethack or devnull
02:18:32 <gammafunk> I got a plastic star in devnull once
02:18:39 <gammafunk> but that was after I was really done playing nethack
02:20:22 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: yep
02:20:22 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
02:20:28 <alexjurkiewicz> !messages
02:20:28 <Sequell> (1/1) gammafunk said (33m 34s ago): We're in feature freeze for 0.20, and the stone_soup-0.20 branch is ready for you to host on CPO whenever you like. Dates/times for release/tourney: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/upcoming-0-20-release-and-tournament
02:20:54 <alexjurkiewicz> nice 1
02:21:18 <alexjurkiewicz> is there a competing hellcrawl tournament
02:24:22 <gammafunk> junehell
02:35:56 <hellmonk> no
03:13:12 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d (34)
03:18:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
03:35:50 <bhaak> !tell nikheizen I don't see a problem with overlapping tournament dates. the games are different enough and the overlapping doesn't actually happen that often.
03:35:51 <Sequell> bhaak: OK, I'll let nikheizen know.
03:37:16 <bhaak> !tell nikheizen I would even be open to have a crawl achievement in junethack ("died in an alternate universe" or something like that) but I haven't had time to look into it
03:37:17 <Sequell> bhaak: OK, I'll let nikheizen know.
03:40:52 <minmay> ??is cdo down
03:41:03 <Sequell> is cdo down[1/1]: 4 hours, 34 minutes, 9 seconds since last activity (cdo)
04:18:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
04:22:57 <Napkin_> cdo did some upgrades, going for some reboots now
04:23:02 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin
04:42:55 <Gretell> svalbard (L13 OpAs)  (Lair:1)
05:12:10 <Eksell> stickyfingers (L6 TrEE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 207: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4)
05:24:59 <Napkin> re
05:24:59 <Sequell> Napkin: You have 50 messages. Use !messages to read them.
06:49:16 <Eksell> Stable (0.20) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-b1-0-gf195039
07:16:37 -!- flappity_ is now known as flappity
07:49:01 <Eksell> Zwobot (L5 GnWr)  (Sewer)
07:49:01 <Eksell> Gandalfino (L11 OgBe)  (Lair:1)
07:49:01 <Eksell> dscm (L17 DsAK)  (D (Sprint))
07:49:02 <Eksell> murphy (L27 DDEE)  (Tar:7)
07:49:02 <Eksell> Azzok (L15 CeHu)  (Orc:2)
07:49:03 <Eksell> MydosGodOfBeginnings (L11 DESu)  (Lair:5)
07:49:05 <Eksell> Britaniac (L27 GrFi)  (Depths:4)
07:49:10 <Eksell> Webtiles server restarted.
07:49:13 <Eksell> PeterMcNeter (L12 GrVM)  (Lair:3)
07:49:15 <Eksell> quik (L23 DgSu)  (Zot:5)
07:49:17 <Eksell> Agonnis (L3 KoEn)  (D:2)
07:49:19 <Eksell> Dominolapin (L18 BaIE)  (Shoals:4)
07:49:23 <Eksell> HAL9000 (L6 GrBe)  (D:4)
07:49:24 <Eksell> Flooderbenga (L20 SpEn)  (D:14)
07:49:27 <Eksell> Ratty (L15 MiBe)  (Lair:2)
07:49:29 <Eksell> Ijustatesigmund (L11 DrCj)  (D:10)
08:01:44 <Medar> CXC should be up and running with 0.20 now. Also pushed a commit to Sequell to add the source.
08:46:17 <advil> I wonder if something bug-fix-y can still be done about the stupid blue thing
08:46:50 <advil> thanks for doing all the freeze logistics gammafunk
08:48:07 <advil> one simple thing is that the console releases could just have different defaults by platform, but the real issue is probably ssh players
08:50:03 <|amethyst> yeah, ssh players is the real problem, meaning it could have a different default A. on OS X and B. on the servers
08:51:55 <|amethyst> err, A and B would have bold_brightens_foreground = false on the one hand, while other Unix builds and Windows would have b_b_f = true
08:52:10 <|amethyst> on the other
08:52:53 <advil> yeah, that seems pretty reasonable
08:53:17 <advil> I think it was dpeg who suggested maybe having some banner-ish way of telegraphing the option on the servers, that is worth considering
08:53:23 <|amethyst> I guess "on the servers" could mean #ifdef DGAMELAUNCH
08:53:57 <|amethyst> the problem is that there's already a lot of startup spam
08:54:16 <|amethyst> I guess it could maybe be done in the dgl menu itself
08:55:14 <advil> how new is your os x version? I haven't checked if any of this got fixed at some point
08:55:21 <|amethyst> I don't have OS X
08:55:27 <advil> oh I thought you did for some reason
08:56:47 <advil> is the procedure now commit to trunk, cherry-pick to release branch?
08:59:16 <|amethyst> yeah
08:59:17 <|amethyst> hm
09:00:01 <|amethyst> apparently now Terminal.app does some kind of automatic contrast boosting thing ?
09:00:42 <|amethyst> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/29487/is-it-possible-to-disable-terminals-automatic-tweaking-of-colors-in-lion/49058
09:01:01 <|amethyst> not sure about whether brightening bold is the default or not though
09:01:57 <Medar> !lg . x=cv,v
09:01:58 <Sequell> 645. [cv=0.20-a;v=0.20.0-b1] Medar the Skirmisher (L1 HOFi), entered wizard mode on D:1 (roderic_dead_forest) on 2017-05-18 11:55:54, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:16.
09:09:32 <advil> ugh why is crawl ignoring my .crawlrc on this computer
09:11:14 <advil> init.txt -> /Users/advil/repos/crawl/crawl-ref/settings/init.txt
09:11:16 <advil> weird
09:11:25 <advil> some build script must have done that at some point
09:16:11 <advil> hm, I can currently get it to look ok with bold_brightens_foreground = true and allow_extended_colours not set, or vice versa. I'm going to have to see if I can reset terminal.app to default settings though
09:16:40 <advil> I *thought* that bold_brightens_foreground didn't work, but it may be TERM dependant
09:16:54 <advil> oh, there's a checkbox in Termal.app settings that makes it work, not on by default
09:17:23 <advil> *Terminal.app
09:17:48 <|amethyst> yeah
09:17:48 <advil> also, the default background IIRC is white, which probably messes everything up
09:17:48 <|amethyst> I knew it was an option now, but didn't know the default
09:17:50 <|amethyst> hm
09:18:40 <advil> I wonder if any of this can be set on the command line
09:18:42 <|amethyst> we explicitly use black, though without the contrast adjustment stuff that might mean the contrast would be bad
09:19:36 <|amethyst> since if the default background is white, the defaults for other colours would probably be chosen to be readable on a white background more than black
09:19:42 <advil> yeah
09:21:17 <advil> maybe the default has changed since I last had to deal with this
09:21:32 <advil> I reset it and it came up in the "pro" theme which is basically what we'd want
09:22:42 <advil> maybe I didn't fully reset it
09:26:44 <advil> yeah, the colors are a bit dim but otherwise it looks ok in the default terminal configuration
09:27:30 <advil> https://www.dropbox.com/s/to375lf0bx32uok/Screenshot%202017-05-18%2009.26.58.png?dl=0
09:29:05 <|amethyst> advil:  I wonder if that's part of why so many people have trouble seeing blue, because they are using terminals with colours intended for light backgrounds
09:29:27 <|amethyst> I mean, besides blue being harder to see in the first place
09:29:45 <advil> yeah, that may be part of it
09:31:30 <advil> doesn't appear that any of the  themes actually change the colors
09:31:39 <advil> even the ones with black backgrounds
09:33:47 <advil> afaict xterm-256color is the default, at least
09:36:02 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus
09:39:07 <advil> hm, the default non-bold blue is terrible, it's like 000080 or something
09:52:06 <advil> well, I produced a terminal profile that looks a lot better (designed for allow_extended_colours=true), if anyone has any ideas on how to distribute it, let me know
09:52:11 <advil> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7lpmbriwiad5e2/Crawl%20profile.terminal?dl=0
09:56:44 <advil> maybe it would be possible to actually run the crawl app from that profile
10:01:41 -!- Dirtsage is now known as help
10:02:11 -!- help is now known as Guest46044
10:02:21 -!- Guest46044 is now known as dirtsage
10:29:56 -!- molotove1 is now known as molotove
11:59:31 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:05:42 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d (34)
13:38:18 -!- vermi is now known as vermifax
14:32:10 <hawthornbunny> Maybe I should have asked in here :)
14:32:59 <hawthornbunny> I've never committed to someone else's repository on Github so I don't really know what the process is
14:38:38 <Doesnty> hopefully someone more informed can explain
14:38:53 <Doesnty> so i can use that explanation
14:39:06 <Doesnty> i did mean a fork, yeah
14:39:38 <geekosaur> scanning over discussion in ##crawl, more or less yes: you fork the repo, make changes in your fork (preferably in branches: otherwise you'll find you can have only one pull request and it will accumulate *everything*), submit pull request
14:41:22 <geekosaur> an alternative is to do whatever locally, generate a patch, and create a ticket on mantis and attach the patch. you don;t have to figure out github's model of cooperative development and its edge cases, but you have to do more manual work
14:49:14 <rumflump> I use "hub"
14:49:38 <rumflump> make my changes. commit to a branch. push that branch to github on my personal crawl repo
14:49:53 <rumflump> mainline dcss is set as a remote named upstream, of course
14:50:01 <rumflump> then I do "hub pull-request"
14:50:55 <rumflump> your text editor of choice will ask you to title/describe the pull request
14:56:34 <hawthornbunny> ooh, thanks :) Is there a naming convention for branches?
14:58:17 <amalloy> branch name really doesn't matter
15:53:13 <hawthornbunny> Man, it takes literally an hour to init all the submodules
16:15:09 <geekosaur> the names you use for local branches have nothing to do with anything upstream, since all upstream sees is the pull request
16:15:46 <geekosaur> you could even potentially use the sname of a branch existing in the upstream repo --- but this will confuse you _quickly_ so best not to
16:16:19 <geekosaur> (because various github tools will think they're the same branch)
16:17:14 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/538 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/538
16:17:14 <Cheibriados> 03hawthornbunny02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/538 * 0.21-a0-1-gc77900c: Fix "Wear which item" typo 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c77900c53dab
16:17:16 <hawthornbunny> Heh
16:17:23 <hawthornbunny> Yay!
16:20:36 <hawthornbunny> Thanks for your help guys
16:20:55 <hawthornbunny> I do plan to do more than just that, but I just needed to know how to get started
16:52:52 <gammafunk> &versions
16:53:05 <Sequell> CAO: 0.21-a0, CBRO: 0.21-a0, CDO: 0.20-a0-1126-g0f15420, CJR: 0.21-a0, CPO: 0.20-a0-1127-g1289703, CUE: 0.20-a0-1127-g1289703, CWZ: 0.20-a0-1122-gb7cbeb9, CXC: 0.20-b1, LLD: 0.20-a0-1125-g174c67540e
16:53:06 <gammafunk> !cmd versions
16:53:07 <Sequell> No command !versions
16:53:12 <gammafunk> !cmd &versions
16:53:12 <Sequell> Command: &versions => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (src) (concat $src ": " (=version.query $src $*))) (serverlist)))
16:53:32 <gammafunk> !versions cv=0.20
16:54:03 <gammafunk> &versions cv=0.20
16:54:07 <Sequell> CAO: none, CBRO: none, CDO: none, CJR: none, CPO: none, CUE: none, CWZ: none, CXC: none, LLD: none
16:54:44 <gammafunk> &versions vlong~~0.20-b
16:54:52 <Sequell> CAO: none, CBRO: none, CDO: none, CJR: none, CPO: none, CUE: none, CWZ: none, CXC: 0.20-b1, LLD: none
16:57:54 <hawthornbunny> I'm starting to think maybe it wasn't worth a 40+ minute build to fix one typo XD
17:27:15 <rumflump> wait why are you building it
17:27:25 <rumflump> oh, to test your fix, nvm
17:27:54 <rumflump> for some reason I thought you already had your fix completely figured out and were just asking how to make the pull request
17:28:42 <rumflump> for future stuff, probably install ccache. and prepend "ccache " to whatever command you use to compile
17:30:29 <hawthornbunny> I mean the automated Travis build
17:31:02 <|amethyst> for just typo or doc changes, you can include "[skip ci]" in the commit message somewhere to prevent Travis from building it
17:32:26 <hawthornbunny> Oh, neat :)
17:54:40 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
18:03:39 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-0-g0b12a6d (34)
18:26:02 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus
19:56:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:28:56 <alexjurkiewicz> !seen hellmonk
20:28:57 <Sequell> I last saw hellmonk at Thu May 18 06:38:08 2017 UTC (17h 50m 48s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'.
20:59:58 <alexjurkiewicz> !tell greensnark CPO has 0.20 logfiles/milestones available in the same place as all others, can you please update sequell?
20:59:58 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
21:17:34 <alexjurkiewicz> opened a PR, which would be nice to get into the 0.20 branch too
21:17:42 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/539 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/539
21:17:42 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/539 * 0.21-a0-1-g8e3c6a0: Reduce advpng compression webtiles sprite sheets 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e3c6a038288
21:17:57 <alexjurkiewicz> wow, that commit subject grammar
21:25:54 <geekosaur> !send alexjurkiewicz a German professor
21:25:54 <Sequell> Sending a German professor to alexjurkiewicz.
22:10:12 <gammafunk> the remove is what counts
22:10:12 <gammafunk> full credit awarded
22:10:12 <gammafunk> hrm
22:10:12 <gammafunk> I'm not super well versed as to what's considered a significant number in terms of bandwidth saved
22:10:12 <gammafunk> from the perspective of a server admin
22:10:12 <gammafunk> cumulatively it certainly adds up to some large numbers
22:10:12 <gammafunk> I guess you're putting it at 2
22:10:12 <gammafunk> so yeah it's a pretty minimal savings
22:10:12 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
22:10:23 <gammafunk> hey sequell don't sneak up on me like that
22:10:53 <gammafunk> minmay: dammit what's the difference between minmay and minqmay
22:11:15 <gammafunk> and they are only on that glyph for ASCII character set
22:11:24 <gammafunk> which is also what's used for passages of golubria
22:11:32 <gammafunk> so this statement
22:11:41 <gammafunk> minqmay said (36m 24s ago): transporters shouldn't be on ^; the < and > keys do not interact with any other ^
22:11:48 <gammafunk> is actually not true, I believe
22:11:56 <gammafunk> PoG also uses ^ in ascii
22:11:58 <geekosaur> afaik the q one is the only one in ##crawl
22:12:00 <gammafunk> and also can use > and <
22:12:06 <geekosaur> possibly to avoid getting highlighted by learndb all the time
22:12:17 <gammafunk> that would make sense
22:12:32 <gammafunk> however it being minmay, various other weird explanations would also be very plausible
22:12:38 <geekosaur> this is true
22:12:55 <gammafunk> but yeah I don't know that I have a choice there
22:13:07 <gammafunk> maybe there's a better ascii glyph for Pog/Transporters
22:13:24 <|amethyst> Does PoG use <> now?
22:13:25 <gammafunk> if you're watching a TV, most players are seeing the unicode glyph if they're actually playing console
22:13:31 <gammafunk> yes, you can re-enter them
22:13:50 <gammafunk> as in you enter one, end up at another one you've placed
22:14:00 <gammafunk> and can re-enter that one to end up at your third open portal
22:14:16 <gammafunk> I think it limits the number open to 3, but it's a thing that amalloy tweaked some time ago
22:14:43 <gammafunk> I think the thing he changed is not fully related to that though, and PoG always had behaviour like this
22:14:50 <gammafunk> if there's a better ascii glyph for those two features though, I'd certainly be fine to use it
22:15:11 <gammafunk> but again most console players don't see that glyph, they have unicode support and see that copyright symbol thing
22:15:24 <|amethyst> oh, and > also interacts with shafts
22:16:49 <gammafunk> dplusplus put up 0.20 on lld
22:17:13 <gammafunk> ah, true
22:17:52 <gammafunk> !tell minqmay You're at least partially wrong, see my responses in the ##crawl-dev
22:17:53 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let minqmay know.
22:18:39 <gammafunk> "at least partially wrong", powerful argument-winning phraseology
22:19:35 <gammafunk> partially wrong, almost entirely wrong, incredibly wrong, uncannily wrong
22:32:49 <minmay> gammafunk: you're right, I forgot pog existed ever since the zot change :P
22:33:05 <gammafunk> and as neil said, shafts
22:33:10 <gammafunk> which I too forgot about
22:33:12 <minmay> oh, those too
22:33:16 <minmay> hm
22:33:23 <gammafunk> but how are you seeing ^?
22:33:31 <gammafunk> just footv or do you play with ascii
22:33:35 <minmay> ascii
22:33:49 <gammafunk> yeah, is there a better glyph for PoG/transporters
22:33:54 <gammafunk> for shaft traps that's a tricky one
22:33:59 <gammafunk> maybe it's just fine on ^
22:34:05 <gammafunk> there are other weird things on ^, aren't there?
22:34:11 <minmay> To me the semantics of ^ was always "this does something if you walk into it", which isn't broken by the old teleporters or pog
22:34:23 <minmay> or uh, I guess the way I phrased it, it's not broken by tentacle segments either
22:34:25 <|amethyst> but is broken by known shafts
22:34:30 <minmay> yes
22:34:45 <minmay> I'm too used to nethack where you could fall into a known shaft without pressing >
22:35:26 <minmay> So I guess that interpretation isn't really valid
22:58:31 <alexjurkiewicz> I don't like using the same glyph for traps and teleporters
22:58:48 <alexjurkiewicz> because you never want to step on traps but you always(ish) want to step on teleporters
23:09:45 <gammafunk> I think you're overstating how often people want to step on teleporters
23:09:58 <gammafunk> I assume you mean teleport traps?
23:10:21 <gammafunk> or do you mean transporters
23:12:37 <gammafunk> If you mean transporters, I don't mind moving it to another glyph, but honestly PoG is the bigger issue
23:12:47 <gammafunk> since those are on that glyph because they're implemented as traps
23:12:51 <gammafunk> I'm not even sure we could change them
23:12:59 <gammafunk> without making them not-traps
23:13:22 <gammafunk> and then there's the question of what glyph we would use, since this is ascii and there's not a lot of choices
23:28:24 <alexjurkiewicz> transporters, yeah
23:28:30 <alexjurkiewicz> too many similes!
23:28:48 <alexjurkiewicz> PoG could use whatever transporters use, perhaps
23:28:54 <alexjurkiewicz> I mean, clearly this is showing why tiles is better
23:29:28 <|amethyst> I think it would be misleading for PoG to use © when stepping on PoG does something
23:30:33 <|amethyst> transporters could use \∩
23:30:46 <|amethyst> since they behave kind of like exit portals or stairs
23:31:03 <|amethyst> or for that matter \©
23:31:04 <alexjurkiewicz> can you use unicode?
23:31:12 <|amethyst> they currently use unicode ©
23:31:24 <|amethyst> but ^ if the player is using plain ASCII
23:31:33 <alexjurkiewicz> i suggest 💠 then
23:32:26 <|amethyst> that's double-width
23:33:28 <|amethyst> and since it's outside the basic multilingual plane, I'm not sure how well it works in Windows console
23:34:10 <hellmonk> just remove traps and keep pog on ^
23:34:15 <hellmonk> (you're welcome)
23:34:22 <alexjurkiewicz> your dreams are memes
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