00:00:48 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1086-g4bd2f5b (34)
00:52:44 <minmay> !messages
00:52:45 <Sequell> No messages for minmay.
00:54:53 <nikheizen> !tell minmay your vaults fucking suck dude
00:54:53 <Sequell> nikheizen: OK, I'll let minmay know.
01:19:12 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1086-g4bd2f5b (34)
01:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/485 * 0.20-a0-1042-g1a80dad: Merge https://github.com/crawl/crawl into library 10(12 days ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a80dad5524c
01:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/485 * 0.20-a0-1104-gf731268: fix a conflict so i can fix something else 10(2 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f73126822eda
01:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/485 * 0.20-a0-1105-gd0a418c: Exterminate seen_spells, which is now redundant unless a mechanism is added to make spells leave the library (unlikely). 10(34 minutes ago, 8 files, 16+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0a418c3d4c8
01:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/485 * 0.20-a0-1106-g8e050e2: Don't let Vehumet offer spells that are already in your library 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e050e2fb3c6
01:42:28 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund
01:58:24 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1086-g4bd2f5b
02:52:51 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1086-g4bd2f5b
03:15:05 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1086-g4bd2f5b (34)
03:32:04 <Jafet> hmm trying to wear a shield without a free hand now prints a weird message
03:33:08 <Jafet> %git 3db6753e
03:33:08 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-335-g3db6753: Avoid mis-selections of useless items 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3db6753e0b83
03:33:27 <Jafet> that message
03:34:18 <Jafet> well W*x does print the old message
04:22:02 <gammafunk> !nick gammafunk (!gfspeed) gammafunk
04:22:03 <Sequell> Mapping gammafunk => (!gfspeed) gammafunk
04:22:34 <gammafunk> !nick gammaspeed (gfspeed) gammafunk
04:22:35 <Sequell> Mapping gammaspeed => (gfspeed) gammafunk
04:22:39 <gammafunk> !cmd .splatratio
04:22:39 <Sequell> Command: .splatratio => .splatratioall ${1:-.} $* recentish
04:22:41 <gammafunk> !cmd .splatratioall
04:22:42 <Sequell> Command: .splatratioall => !lg ${1:-.} $* title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" !gfspeed xl>=17 s=name / !won o=-%
04:23:07 <gammafunk> !cmd splatratioall !lg ${1:-.} $* title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" xl>=17 s=name / !won o=-%
04:23:08 <Sequell> Defined command: !splatratioall => !lg ${1:-.} $* title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" xl>=17 s=name / !won o=-%
04:23:32 <gammafunk> !cdm !splatratio !splatratioall ${1:-.} $* recentish
04:23:35 <gammafunk> !cmd !splatratio !splatratioall ${1:-.} $* recentish
04:23:36 <Sequell> Redefined command: !splatratio => !splatratioall ${1:-.} $* recentish
04:23:41 <gammafunk> !cmd -rm .splatratioall
04:23:42 <Sequell> Deleted command: .splatratioall => !lg ${1:-.} $* title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" !gfspeed xl>=17 s=name / !won o=-%
04:23:44 <gammafunk> !cmd -rm .splatratio
04:23:45 <Sequell> Deleted command: .splatratio => .splatratioall ${1:-.} $* recentish
04:23:48 <gammafunk> !splatratio
04:23:50 <Sequell> % of xl17 chars killed recentish: 7/45x gammafunk [15.56%]
04:24:12 <gammafunk> !hs gammaspeed
04:24:17 <Sequell> 3142. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43.
05:09:21 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin
08:41:17 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-1087-g4d0c687: Don't crash webtiles if a more is triggered too early 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d0c6874495a
08:41:17 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-1088-gd50b1d5: Preserve messaging that happened during load 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 50+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d50b1d50b8fe
08:43:51 <advil> message.cc could still use a bunch of attention, but I didn't want to mess with it too much with a feature freeze coming up (?)
08:52:25 <|amethyst> advil:  what I've wanted to do for a while is add an interface to (1) temporarily suppress messages and then (2) collect all the suppressed messages when turning off suppression
08:52:39 <advil> that sounds like a good thing!
08:52:48 <advil> that's approximately what I did, but not in a generalizable way
08:53:17 <advil> in that I relied on being able to clear the buffer before starting collecting messages
08:53:37 <advil> but the append functions I wrote are a step
08:53:46 <|amethyst> advil:  for message ordering stuff, so you could do:   hold_messages();  do_a_thing();  auto saved = unhold_messages();  do_successful_message(); replay_messages(saved);
08:54:01 <|amethyst> the difficulty would be that it has to be recursive
08:54:10 <advil> heh
08:54:25 <advil> I also relied on it not being recursive, I suppose
08:56:13 <|amethyst> I guess really one just needs a stack of circular buffers
08:56:16 <advil> hmm, maybe this could be done in a RAII way with the created object being the thing storing the messages
08:56:17 <advil> yeah
08:56:42 <advil> possibly step 1 is to fix up that circular buffer class, it really needs a more normal api
08:56:46 <advil> iterators and stuff
08:57:19 <|amethyst> advil:  the difficulty with RAII is that the destruction of the hold would happen at the end of a block, so you'd need an assignment (initialization wouldn't work)
08:58:03 <|amethyst> save_messaged saved; { auto hold = hold_messages(); blah(); saved = hold.messages(); } do_successful_message(); replay_messages(saved);
08:58:21 <|amethyst> s/aged/ages/
08:58:35 <advil> hmm
08:58:37 <|amethyst> hm
08:58:42 <|amethyst> I guess you could have
08:58:47 <advil> I was thinking you could use the initialized object to do the messaging
08:59:10 <advil> another thing I noticed is that the message window separately appears to save every message ever from a play session, which seems ...unnecessary
08:59:45 <advil> oops got to run & catch my bus, later
08:59:56 <|amethyst> I have to go too, later
09:00:40 <|amethyst> could have (using C++17 structured binding for simplicity):  auto [rv, messages] = do_with_held_messages(function, arg, arg, arg);
09:00:52 <|amethyst> where rv is function's return value
09:09:30 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1088-gd50b1d5 (34)
13:05:54 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1088-gd50b1d5 (34)
13:31:13 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/526 * 0.20-a0-1064-g219cff5: Prevent Gnolls from sacrificing skill 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/219cff5d4a92
14:57:00 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren
15:34:53 -!- G-Flex| is now known as G-Flex
18:04:30 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-1088-gd50b1d5 (34)
18:11:54 -!- SketchFile_ is now known as SketchFile
19:33:36 <Cheibriados> Crashed game: Vampire quaffed cancellation while in bat form and mesmerized 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11046 by deathblob
19:43:34 <|amethyst> reddit thread led me to digging... did you know that "Liberalism" can appear as an randart name on jewellery, books, armour, and weapons (but only god gift weapons); but "Conservatism" only on weapons?
19:44:02 <|amethyst> because Liberalism is a _philosophy_name_, while Conservatism is _economics_or_politics_
19:45:11 <ASCIIPhilia> i have question... when i run '/home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-trunk' cmd, i need turn off all of crawl related process?
19:46:34 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  no, you don't need to
19:46:52 <ASCIIPhilia> oh, good
19:46:52 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  it builds in a separate directory then copies over the binaries
19:47:04 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  it has a lock so you can't do two builds at the same time
19:48:31 <ASCIIPhilia> playing trunk game users nothing affected by update-trunk?
19:49:30 <ASCIIPhilia> becus game is launched at ram?
19:49:31 <|amethyst> right... for trunk, it doesn't even replace the old binary; each trunk build gets its own directory under <chroot>/crawl-master/
19:50:00 <|amethyst> for stable builds it does replace the binary, but the executing binary is still in RAM as you say so it's fine
19:50:00 <ASCIIPhilia> aha..
19:50:28 <ASCIIPhilia> good :)
19:51:51 <ASCIIPhilia> CWZ admin hong always update trunk with server off.
19:51:52 <ASCIIPhilia> XD
19:51:59 <ASCIIPhilia> i think maybe he not use this sh sciprt.
19:52:17 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  yeah, I think maybe CWZ doesn't use dgamelaunch-config
19:52:44 <geekosaur> there are a few servers that live-update trunk instead of keeping past versions. the experimentals all work that way, iirc
19:52:46 <|amethyst> BTW, does anyone have any plans for a massive rewrite of git history?  Because if so, I have a request to do some rewriting of author names
19:53:15 <geekosaur> which iirc means breakage can happen because the des cache changed unexpectedly
19:53:21 <|amethyst> yeah, on the servers that do use dgamelaunch-config, experimentals work like stable rather than trunk, so one binary for the whole branch
19:53:43 <|amethyst> also means there could be weird issues with caching of tilesets
19:54:06 <amalloy> |amethyst: it's hard for me to imagine a reason good enough for us to do a massive git rewrite
19:54:19 <|amethyst> amalloy:  that was my thought too
19:54:36 <amalloy> though of course if we did, including author renames would be a small concern
19:54:36 <|amethyst> amalloy:  but if it does have to happen at some point, we should handle this other thing while we're at it
19:54:39 <amalloy> sure
19:54:58 <amalloy> learn add apocalypse-todos
19:55:36 <|amethyst> amalloy:  oh, I recently died in the Ivory Tower trying to get to the orb key
19:56:08 <|amethyst> amalloy:  I think you're right, that Ivory Tower is not a feasible orb key location
19:56:43 <amalloy> because it's too hard to go "up" in the right direction, right?
19:56:46 <|amethyst> yeah
19:57:05 <|amethyst> I was pacing back and forth waiting for gargoyles to spawn to build me a bridge
19:57:09 <|amethyst> and died to ghosts
19:57:37 <|amethyst> but, man, if it worked, returning to the orb would be a piece of cake
19:57:40 <amalloy> sure
19:57:41 <ASCIIPhilia> can i reference current's CAO & CBRO dgamelaunch setting?
19:57:46 <ASCIIPhilia> it very helpful for me.
19:57:50 <ASCIIPhilia> i have plan that fix ssh message & add recent game & add experimentals build
19:57:51 <amalloy> what about yendorian forest?
19:58:03 <amalloy> probably less bad than ivory tower but still pretty bad, is my guess
19:58:03 <|amethyst> amalloy: that one seems easier, if not trivial
19:58:26 <|amethyst> I guess the problem is finding the right tree to climb in the first place
19:58:40 <|amethyst> but after that I'd think it would be pretty easy to stay on the right track
19:59:09 <|amethyst> I think I have done 10 treasures in every land but Bull Dash and Prairie now
19:59:29 <|amethyst> oh, no, Clearing
19:59:29 <johnstein> FYI I'm sure everyone already knew it was pronounced ock-TOP-o-deez
20:00:11 <ASCIIPhilia> oh i finded! https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/tree/cbro
20:00:15 <amalloy> |amethyst: i don't think so. the best tree won't grow straight towards the key, so the tree trunk you're following will get you further and further away from the key by quite a bit
20:00:27 <ASCIIPhilia> *found XD
20:00:28 <|amethyst> amalloy:  hm
20:00:29 <amalloy> you can course-correct reasonably often but you'll have lost a lot of distance between each branch
20:00:50 <|amethyst> amalloy:  is there an Orb Challenge in the YF?
20:00:53 <amalloy> *shrug*
20:00:56 <|amethyst> amalloy:  if not there should be
20:01:10 <|amethyst> no steam account so I can't comment on the forums
20:01:38 <amalloy> |amethyst: weird backchannel for talking to the devs: find the video of mine where he commented, and reply
20:01:41 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  I was going to say, I can give you the CSZO config, which is out of date by a year or so
20:02:04 <|amethyst> amalloy:  :)
20:03:07 <|amethyst> amalloy:  or just send him an email
20:04:12 <|amethyst> amalloy:  I do think HR should be used in maths classes
20:04:27 <|amethyst> amalloy:  I have a much more intuitive feel for hyperbolic geometry than I ever did before
20:04:40 <ASCIIPhilia> dgamelaunch-config cbro branch is more old than your cbro setting?
20:05:09 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia: possibly, but the only real changes are new stable branches and new experimental branches
20:05:44 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  so the file you found is just as good as what I could give you
20:06:03 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia:  johnstein has a more up-to-date config, if you really want one
20:07:34 <ASCIIPhilia> is johnstein cbro admin?
20:07:42 <johnstein> he is
20:07:45 <|amethyst> yes :)
20:07:54 <ASCIIPhilia> oh. XD
20:07:59 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo -1
20:08:04 <Sequell> 1263784. paul the Infuser (L7 DECj of Vehumet), slain by a hill giant (a +0 giant club) on D:6 on 2016-04-11 21:46:42, with 969 points after 6892 turns and 0:17:02.
20:08:21 <|amethyst> oh, "a year or so" was pretty close
20:08:31 <|amethyst> yay freedom
20:08:32 <johnstein> I'm heading home. I haven't followed this convo. ASCIIPhilia send me a !message with what you need
20:09:19 <rumflump> !message rumflump test
20:09:19 <Sequell> You probably meant !tell, or possibly !messages.
20:09:32 <ASCIIPhilia> !message ASCIIPhilia test
20:09:33 <Sequell> You probably meant !tell, or possibly !messages.
20:09:38 <ASCIIPhilia> !tell
20:09:38 <Sequell> I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE.
20:09:51 <rumflump> !tell ASCIIPhilia test :D
20:09:52 <Sequell> rumflump: OK, I'll let asciiphilia know.
20:10:19 <ASCIIPhilia> !tell
20:10:19 <Sequell> ASCIIPhilia: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
20:10:19 <Sequell> I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE.
20:10:24 <ASCIIPhilia> !messages
20:10:25 <Sequell> (1/1) rumflump said (33s ago): test :D
20:10:33 <ASCIIPhilia> aha.
20:10:46 <rumflump> it can all be done in a /query with sequell, too
20:11:25 <ASCIIPhilia> !tell/message [TARGET] MSG >> send message and add target's message queue
20:11:39 <ASCIIPhilia> !messages >> read message?
20:11:40 <Sequell> No messages for ASCIIPhilia.
20:12:56 <|amethyst> yeah
20:13:04 <ASCIIPhilia> good
20:13:11 <|amethyst> /msg sequell !tell johnstein Could you send me blah blah blah
20:16:29 <ASCIIPhilia> oh. i think recent setting contains many experimental branch settings. i need it XD.
20:54:08 <advil> it'll be nice to have structured binding
20:54:15 <advil> I guess c++17 is sometime in the fall maybe?
20:57:41 <amalloy> huh, structured binding. in the languages where i hang out, it's called the opposite: destructuring
21:00:50 <|amethyst> amalloy: yeah, that was my thought
21:01:14 <|amethyst> advil:  and we can switch to it in Crawl sometime in the next decade
21:01:21 <advil> heh
21:02:18 <advil> is "destructuring" javascript?
21:02:25 <|amethyst> also LISP
21:02:28 <advil> ah
21:02:38 <advil> I know unpacking, from python of course
21:02:39 <|amethyst> http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_destru.htm
21:03:54 <advil> I guess ruby also calls it destructuring
21:06:56 <|amethyst> better link: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node252.html
21:07:29 <|amethyst> hm, not quite, since that's a slightly different thing
21:14:40 <Cheibriados> 03Diego Essaya02 {advil} 07* 0.20-a0-1089-g3fde505: SDL Tiles: Don't disable screen saver 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fde50521e2a
21:15:08 <advil> that could eventually do something more involved, like check fullscreen
21:16:13 <advil> but since it is kind of annoying, & they went to the trouble of figuring out how to do that, I thought I'd merge it
21:16:15 <|amethyst> just to be sure... what happens when you're fullscreen and the screensaver does kick on?  does pressing a key turn off the screensaver appropriately?
21:16:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:16:48 <|amethyst> my worry is that you'd be stuck in the scrensaver
21:17:31 <advil> hmm it may be system specific but that should be fine on os x
21:18:28 <advil> yeah, it is
21:18:55 <advil> if it has that behavior it would be an sdl bug, I think
21:19:11 <|amethyst> FR: figure out the system screensaver settings and disable the screensaver, but replace it with a Crawl-specific screensaver
21:19:37 <advil> or maybe just build a screensaver app within crawl!
21:19:59 <|amethyst> crawl -rc test/stress/qw.rc
21:20:03 <advil> we already have a text editor in webtiles, after all
21:20:32 <|amethyst> that's not a text editor, it's just deferring to the browser
21:20:43 <|amethyst> FR: integrate virus + ee into crawl
21:20:48 <|amethyst> without all the buffer overflows
21:21:49 <|amethyst> +10 points to whoever first creates an .rc file that, when editing it in virus, copies a random other player's save to your own
21:21:57 <advil> haha
21:23:27 <|amethyst> I'm sure it's possible, because virus still crashes if you paste too much text at once
21:23:41 <|amethyst> and I have fixed at least one or two buffer overflows in the past
21:23:58 <|amethyst> probably we should try upgrading to latest dgamelaunch at some point...
21:24:14 <|amethyst> paxed was bugging me about that, what, four years ago?
21:24:21 <rumflump> do y'all know where to find the function that causes iOOD's to trail purple clouds?
21:24:43 <|amethyst> !source iood_act
21:24:44 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-project.cc#L339
21:24:55 <rumflump> groovy, thanks
21:24:57 <|amethyst> search for CLOUD_MAGIC_TRAIL from there
21:25:36 <rumflump> I tried to make OODs rocky and uh, this happened http://i.imgur.com/hMIoe0a.png
21:26:04 <rumflump> bit of a mixed message, thematically :D
21:26:52 <|amethyst> rumflump:  replace it with CLOUD_DUST obviously
21:26:59 <rumflump> yeah
21:27:12 <rumflump> thanks!
21:28:21 <|amethyst> hm, does CLOUD_FLUFFY really need its own enum?
21:28:40 <|amethyst> seems like the kind of thing that could be handled entirely in Lua with a little though
21:28:43 <|amethyst> t
21:29:01 <advil> is it ever used?
21:29:18 <|amethyst> advil:  cloud mage wizlab
21:29:59 <advil> oh "white fluffiness" I see
21:30:32 <|amethyst> so, returning to my observation from earlier
21:30:46 <minmay> <rumflump> I tried to make OODs rocky and uh, this happened http://i.imgur.com/hMIoe0a.png
21:30:46 <Sequell> minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:30:59 <minmay> next time a straight person asks me what "hard gay" means, im showing them that tile
21:31:00 <minmay> !messages
21:31:01 <Sequell> (1/1) nikheizen said (20h 36m 8s ago): your vaults fucking suck dude
21:31:04 <|amethyst> should "Liberalism" become _economics_or_politics_, or should "Conservatism" be _philosophy_name_ ?
21:31:07 <minmay> !tell nikheizen i know its great
21:31:07 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let nikheizen know.
21:32:05 <|amethyst> minmay:  does that term derive from, or predate, the wrestler?
21:33:22 <rumflump> I don't think those count as life philosophies, they're banners or camps in a big spectacle-farce-thing
21:34:06 <advil> the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy has entries for both liberalism and conservatism
21:34:47 <minmay> |amethyst: predate
21:35:14 <minmay> at least, if I remember correctly
21:37:32 <ProzacElf> |amethyst: "Liberalism" is clearly the weakness of showing respect toward anyone who has brown or vagina characteristics =[
21:37:36 <ProzacElf> er
21:37:37 <ProzacElf> =p
21:37:53 <minmay> vagina characteristics
21:38:32 <ProzacElf> i assume you've been paying some sort of attention to the world
21:38:36 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  I'm pretty sure "Liberalism" is the thing they call "neoconservativism" in the US in the early 2000s
21:38:41 <|amethyst> s/call/called/
21:39:25 <ProzacElf> haha
21:40:41 <ProzacElf> i'm not a poli-sci  expert
21:40:49 <ProzacElf> so maybe they were once the same thing
21:41:18 <ProzacElf> but i'm pretty sure that conservatives spent about 30 years trying to make 'liberal' a slur
21:41:36 <|amethyst> "liberal" and "conservative" are terms that mean entirely different things depending on which century or even decade you're talking about
21:41:46 <ProzacElf> yes, i know
21:41:52 <|amethyst> few modern US "conservatives" are actually in favour of monarchy
21:42:09 <|amethyst> and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism is called "libertarianism" these days
21:42:09 <ProzacElf> i would be called a communist by most regards
21:42:45 <|amethyst> I'm probably on the right end of social democrat by European standards?
21:42:55 <ProzacElf> haha
21:43:07 <|amethyst> but that's as far Left as socialism goes in the US :)
21:43:16 <ProzacElf> lol
21:43:28 <ProzacElf> which is why i would be called a communist xp
21:44:15 <ProzacElf> but i was just trying to be cheeky with my initial comment
21:45:15 <minmay> http://i.imgur.com/qWGEhc4.jpg
21:46:15 <|amethyst> minmay:  Rand Paul is one of my senators
21:46:21 <|amethyst> minmay:  the other is a turtle
21:46:35 <|amethyst> a turtle with *seniority*
21:47:01 <minmay> http://i.imgur.com/Rh1f0px.png
21:47:05 <ProzacElf> well, our attorney general is elmer fudd
21:47:23 <ProzacElf> although at least my senators are both human beings =p
21:48:54 <ProzacElf> heh
21:49:08 <ProzacElf> hoxha covers a larger area than trotsky-ism, minmay?
21:49:41 <|amethyst> minmay:  the guy he ran against in 2010 was all like "He's an atheist, vote for me"
21:49:43 <ProzacElf> i think everyone pretty much concluded that albania was a fucking mess
21:49:53 <|amethyst> minmay:  so a pox on both their houses
21:50:05 <|amethyst> (he = Rand Paul)
21:51:31 <|amethyst> Brillohead got our Republican primary changed to a caucus since by state law he couldn't run for both Senate and the presidency in a primary
21:52:27 <ProzacElf> gee
21:52:54 <ProzacElf> a republican got the laws changed to favor himself and/or other republicans?
21:52:55 <ProzacElf> shocked
21:52:57 <ProzacElf> i am
21:53:23 <ProzacElf> who would ever believe that a *republican* of all people, would try to complicate the voting process in anyway
21:53:27 <ProzacElf> certainly not me
21:55:59 <|amethyst> I'm sure if it had been an incumbent democratic senator who wanted to run for president, they would have done the same thing\
21:57:20 <|amethyst> as I said a minute ago, a pox on both their houses
22:01:50 <minmay> i would be surprised if rand paul only had one house
22:06:08 <Floodkiller> I hate politics, and also the necessity of politics
22:09:29 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1089-g3fde505 (34)
22:09:57 <ProzacElf> well, i don't trust either party, but one of them definitely benefits a lot more from preventing people from voting
22:10:56 <ProzacElf> but this is also certainly not the forum for it
22:16:54 <minmay> i still think "vagina characteristics" would be a good name for a tumblr blog
22:17:24 <minmay> likely belonging to a terf but w/e
22:29:46 -!- adelrune- is now known as adelrune
22:33:03 <|amethyst> minmay:  btw, your fish reminded me of http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5818/products/636x460design_01.jpeg?v=1447877179, which I have hanging on my wall
22:35:15 <kramin> any devs interested in dieselrobin? I'm running another one starting this weekend
22:35:20 <kramin> ??dieselrobin
22:35:20 <Sequell> dieselrobin[1/6]: Signups OPEN in ##dieselrobin. See https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23523 Rules & Info: http://kramell.mooo.com/dieselrobin/rules
22:35:33 <kramin> amalloy had a team last time
22:36:24 <ProzacElf> minmay: terf?
22:36:33 <ProzacElf> or do i even want to know?
22:37:19 <kramin> probably not
22:37:26 <ProzacElf> lol
22:37:46 <advil> trans-exclusionary radical feminist
22:37:46 <ProzacElf> well, i'm reasonably certain i don't, but my morbid curiosity is still getting the better of me
22:37:58 <ProzacElf> ah
22:37:59 <advil> terfs are generally fairly awful to trans people
22:38:11 <advil> well, trans women specifically
22:38:36 <ProzacElf> judging from the terminology, i would assume they are generically awful to everyone that doesn't share their specific viewpoint
22:38:42 <ProzacElf> but specifically awful to trans women
22:39:16 <ProzacElf> basically the pol pot of feminism
22:41:50 <advil> hmm this is an interesting question https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23546
22:43:38 <|amethyst> "TERF" is like "politically correct": a term that is used only to describe others, never oneself
22:43:50 <|amethyst> Others Who Are Wrong, specifically
22:45:29 <ProzacElf> lol
22:45:41 <|amethyst> and one that can be used to describe all shades of belief, from "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of *1915*" to "literally Hitler"
22:45:56 <ProzacElf> wow
22:45:59 <ProzacElf> hitler was a terf?
22:46:03 <ProzacElf> TIL
22:47:11 <ProzacElf> luckily, i am never disappointed by assuming that everyone is a horrible person
22:49:02 <advil> "terf" is associated with an extremely specific set of behaviors and actions
22:49:21 <johnstein> ?/terf
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22:49:30 <johnstein> +1
22:49:35 <johnstein> would ?/ again
22:49:37 <ProzacElf> =o
22:49:42 <Jafet> in other words it's a stereotype
22:49:44 <ProzacElf> book of party tricks is terf!?
22:50:11 <Jafet> like tiles players
22:50:51 <|amethyst> tiles players are literally Hitler, Reformation of 1915
22:50:58 <ProzacElf> it's true
22:51:24 <ProzacElf> i have strong opinions about jewry and the taking of communion in certain ways
22:51:34 <ProzacElf> =p
22:52:49 <advil> ... maybe this discussion is not great for ##crawl-dev
22:53:19 <|amethyst> kramin:  btw, are you using the objectively-better-than-minmay's dieselrobin image?   http://s-z.org/neil/images/DieselRobin.jpg
22:55:12 <minmay> advil: the problem with being a terf is that literally everyone who isnt a terf hates you. liberal feminists hate you for being radical and all the other feminists hate you for being trans-exclusionary
22:55:18 <minmay> advil: and the rest of society hates you for being a feminist
22:55:49 <Bloax> can confirm tiles players are cancer
22:55:54 <Bloax> also i have no idea why this keeps happening
22:56:01 <minmay> also, sorry to say that I have met legitimate, self-identified unironic terfs
22:56:03 <ProzacElf> pffff
22:56:15 <ProzacElf> minmay's dieselrobin image is way better than that
22:56:18 <minmay> but yes they usually prefer "gender critical"
22:56:20 <Bloax> (don't ask why i still have this on my auto-join list)
22:56:39 <minmay> I made 3 dieselrobin images btw
22:56:49 <|amethyst> I should do a version with a European robin and an Opel or something
22:57:01 <|amethyst> minmay:  what's the third?
22:57:14 <|amethyst> minmay:  I've seen gas-soaked bird and beefy arm
22:58:06 <ProzacElf> those are different?
22:58:23 <kramin> vindieselrobin is pretty funny
22:58:40 <kramin> but I went with the other
22:59:00 <minmay> |amethyst: the favicon which is probably lost to the winds of time
22:59:05 <ProzacElf> i mean, my one criticism with the one that you used, kramin
22:59:05 <kramin> there's also an ascii version
22:59:09 <|amethyst> hm, how do you link to a single post in tavern?
22:59:11 <ProzacElf> is that that is clearly a sparrow
22:59:13 <ProzacElf> and not a robin
22:59:28 <minmay> |amethyst: you click on the circle-arrow thingy at the top right of the post next to the date, if it hasn't been thanked
22:59:31 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_robin
22:59:34 <kramin> as if I know what a robin looks like
22:59:37 <minmay> |amethyst: if it has been thanked you have to construct that url manually
22:59:40 <|amethyst> minmay:   aha
23:00:03 <ProzacElf> |amethyst: oh, i'm supposed to recognize robins from other continents now?
23:00:04 <ProzacElf> =p
23:00:05 <minmay> imo, a picture of robin hood about to shoot a flaming arrow at a tank of gasoline
23:00:07 <|amethyst> minmay:  but how do you find the post ID to...
23:00:18 <minmay> |amethyst: hover over the thank or quote or report button
23:00:19 <|amethyst> minmay:  oh, ctrl(-shift)-i
23:00:25 <|amethyst> ah, even better
23:00:34 <ProzacElf> now i have to go win an election, and build a wall, and probably a roof
23:00:36 <minmay> that would work too yeah
23:00:43 <ProzacElf> to keep those freeloading european birds out of my shit
23:00:43 <hellmonk> same
23:00:44 <Sequell> hellmonk: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them.
23:01:43 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=206928#p206928
23:02:06 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  has both (non-favicon) versions, as well as an ASCII-art version
23:02:23 <ProzacElf> lol
23:02:59 <minmay> Lol, I didn't realize I had lost the favicon 2 years ago too
23:03:30 <|amethyst> BTW, can someone fix the thanks UI kthxbye
23:03:50 <hellmonk> should I post a protip thread about how to get lots of thanks
23:03:55 <|amethyst> I think that was a matter of rewriting the thanks plugin or some crap
23:04:26 <minmay> ok so how's this for a new dieselrobin logo: robin, the unique, about to throw a torch-wielding goblin at a can of fuel
23:04:34 <|amethyst> https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16egIKVXXXXbmXFXXq6xXFXXXU/16-cut-40-blade-diesel-robin-concrete.jpg
23:05:26 <ProzacElf> avant-garde, |amethyst
23:05:50 <|amethyst> I dunno, maybe avant-garde for the early 20th century
23:05:59 <|amethyst> it's pretty clearly derivative of Italian futurism
23:06:40 <hellmonk> fr: abstract art golems in zot that hit to confuse
23:06:43 <ProzacElf> but the futurists lay forgotten outside of the dusty halls of academia for decades!
23:06:50 <ProzacElf> surely they are avant-garde again
23:07:29 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  sure, why not, that's what happened with neural networks in AI research in the past few years
23:07:58 <ProzacElf> wow, i'm old
23:08:04 <ProzacElf> lol
23:08:24 <ProzacElf> not that i was specifically doing ai research
23:08:54 <ProzacElf> but i definitely was using neural networks to try to make a computational model to approximate how humans recognize faces about 18 years ago
23:09:15 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  yeah, but I bet you didn't get any NSF grants to do it
23:09:31 <gammafunk> I was granted something once
23:09:31 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
23:09:33 <ProzacElf> ah, no, i was only working under a DARPA grant =p
23:09:55 <minmay> im participating in a secret government dream study
23:10:25 <gammafunk> nice try, subverting the CIA with fake elf stories
23:10:29 <ProzacElf> heh
23:10:30 <gammafunk> they see right through that kind of thing
23:10:46 <ProzacElf> because they *are* fake elves!
23:11:08 <gammafunk> 2Tolkien
23:11:22 <|amethyst> my town was home is home to what was once the Federal narcotics hospital where they did LSD experiments on inmates
23:11:38 <|amethyst> but MKULTRA was doing LSD experiments on everybody in those days, so...
23:11:49 <ProzacElf> lol
23:11:53 <ProzacElf> i was about to ask about mkultra
23:12:21 <|amethyst> well, I mean, MKULTRA isn't an organization, that's the CIA
23:12:37 <ProzacElf> yes, i am aware
23:12:40 <ProzacElf> unfortunately
23:14:45 <ProzacElf> to be fair, setting loose a bunch of guys to dose people with psychedelics under the guise of learning about brainwashing/mind control DOES sound a lot easier than actually doing the hard work of intelligence gathering
23:16:41 <ProzacElf> and it was probably even worth looking into, to some regard.  just probably didn't require a decade worth of non-rigorous experimentation
23:16:47 <|amethyst> it seems like a perfectly reasonable blue-sky research project, given how little was known about LSD
23:17:02 <|amethyst> however, in the absence of an institutional review board...
23:17:24 <minmay> sometimes after a long day of overthrowing governments in latin america you just need to unwind and give lsd to some random people
23:18:01 <Bloax> sometimes you just gotta do random acts of kindness to let out the fury within
23:18:13 <Bloax> like forcing LSD onto random people, yes
23:18:16 <Bloax> helps a lot
23:18:23 <minmay> you have a very strange definition of "kindness"
23:18:26 <|amethyst> so, this is probably a complete lie given the source, but
23:19:02 <Cheibriados> Wrong kind of message for wearing wrong armour 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11047 by Jafet
23:19:44 <|amethyst> my once-friend's father was in college in the 70s and needed to drive home, about a 10 hours' drive, after classes one week
23:20:07 <|amethyst> he wanted to make the trip overnight, so he asked his druggie friend for something that would keep him awake all night
23:20:24 <|amethyst> druggie friend, rather than amphetamines or whatever, hands him some LSD
23:20:36 <ProzacElf> lol
23:21:24 <rumflump> that's one of those things where you need to state the parameters of your wish very carefully
23:21:35 <minmay> prefixing any story with "college in the 70s" instantly makes it 90% more believable tbh
23:22:16 <ProzacElf> i've taken lsd a couple times, and psilocybin a couple times
23:22:32 <ProzacElf> and i can state without a doubt, that driving a car is the last thing i would want to do
23:23:05 <ProzacElf> given that driving 5 blocks after a maceo parker concert in austin after some mushrooms was about the worst experience ever
23:24:17 <|amethyst> I drove a car, once, with my mother in the passenger seat giving me instructions
23:24:23 <|amethyst> that was the first and last time
23:24:46 <ProzacElf> that you drove a car?
23:24:50 <|amethyst> yes
23:24:54 <|amethyst> Now I hear it makes me hipster
23:24:56 <ProzacElf> hah
23:25:04 <|amethyst> I just stay the same, and hipster becomes me
23:25:34 <ProzacElf> i'm pretty sure that "not driving at all" was considered hipster before "hipster" was a common term
23:25:53 <ProzacElf> =p
23:26:23 <|amethyst> My grandmother never drove either, but she lived in rural Kentucky and "the city", so it was somewhat more limiting
23:26:32 <ProzacElf> lol
23:26:46 <|amethyst> s/and "/and not "/
23:26:56 <minmay> am I the only person in this channel who hasn't driven a car on lsd
23:26:58 <hellmonk> hipster high five
23:27:07 <Bloax> i gotchu fam
23:27:11 <ProzacElf> well, to your credit, you almost certainly did better than i did learning how to drive a manual transmission while tripping
23:27:11 <hellmonk> ty
23:27:18 <|amethyst> minmay:  I was not on LSD when my mother was trying to teach me to drive
23:27:27 <minmay> oh
23:27:30 <ProzacElf> heh
23:27:39 <ProzacElf> he was just tripping on life, maaaan
23:27:49 <|amethyst> minmay:  I'd probably be one of those people who has sex with cars
23:27:57 <|amethyst> if I had been
23:27:58 <ProzacElf> ah
23:27:59 <minmay> I don't know why I jumped to "|amethyst was tripping on LSD with his mom as a sitter" instead of "|amethyst was learning to drive"
23:28:00 <ProzacElf> carsexuals
23:28:05 <hellmonk> I'd rather have sex w/ a car than drive it tbh
23:28:18 <Bloax> have you slept in the last 48 hours
23:29:09 <minmay> all things considered I think politics was a better subject than car sex
23:29:24 <ProzacElf> lol
23:29:27 <|amethyst> minmay is a AERH
23:29:31 <Bloax> stupid sexy machinery
23:29:34 <|amethyst> s/a /an /
23:29:39 <minmay> I freely admit to having no idea what that stands for
23:29:51 <|amethyst> automobile-exclusionary radical humanist
23:29:53 <ProzacElf> automtive-exclusion
23:29:55 <ProzacElf> right
23:29:56 <ProzacElf> that
23:30:06 <minmay> that's remarkably accurate yes
23:30:12 <ProzacElf> although i was gonna say "automotive"
23:30:15 <ProzacElf> if i could type
23:30:50 <Bloax> less commonly known as a lesser branch of the Fun Police
23:30:58 <|amethyst> hm
23:31:07 <|amethyst> amalloy_:  you should do a let's play of Liberal Crime Squad
23:31:23 <ProzacElf> lol
23:31:29 <|amethyst> challenge open to any other Crawl streamers
23:31:29 <ProzacElf> i tried to play that
23:31:55 <|amethyst> I had a good game going, but my computer hacking drew too much heat and I got most of my squad imprisoned
23:32:07 <ProzacElf> and i was just wandering around trying to convince dudes to join me
23:32:14 <ProzacElf> then i got bored and played wesnoth or some shit
23:32:18 <|amethyst> you go for the fashion designers
23:32:50 <|amethyst> they're easy to convert, and making and selling black dresses brings in a lot of money
23:32:58 <ProzacElf> haha
23:35:39 <minmay> careful with wesnoth, you might have a dream
23:42:19 <ProzacElf> heh
23:44:32 <minmay> also dont play the northern rebirth campaign its terrible
23:46:10 <ProzacElf> i played almost all of them like 4 or 5 years ago
23:46:29 <ProzacElf> but i downloaded it again and i swear i only recognize half of them now
23:47:36 <ProzacElf> the campaigns, that is
23:48:02 <minmay> northern rebirth's been mainline for longer than that i think
23:48:29 <minmay> if you're playing in the near future i guess i should tell you to avoid legend of wesmere too, since it's incredibly broken right now
23:53:30 <ProzacElf> i probably did play northern rebirth the first time around
23:53:44 <ProzacElf> i played almost all of them except the last 2 or 3