00:01:09 -!- kramin is now known as Kramin
00:20:47 <alexjurkiewicz> should !mutation still be purple?
00:20:55 <alexjurkiewicz> I think it should be white, so you auto pick up
00:29:37 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/528 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/528
00:29:37 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/528 * 0.20-a0-1063-g7d7e1fa: Mention Oka ammo gifting when you reach 3* 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7d7e1fa669ec
00:31:42 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1065-g8446734 (34)
00:45:17 -!- dexap is now known as paxed
00:54:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
01:20:25 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1065-g8446734 (34)
01:41:16 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Catiua
01:59:05 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1065-g8446734
02:00:39 -!- Walker_Z is now known as WalkerBoh
02:08:46 -!- Catiua is now known as Reverie|Away
02:49:26 <Cheibriados> Patch for bug 0010972 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11040 by erandtke
02:53:27 <alexjurkiewicz> !tell brannock big fan of the drain status light changes
02:53:28 <Sequell> alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let brannock know.
02:54:57 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1065-g8446734
03:03:55 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1066-ga910694: Add a -dump-disconnect CLI to control mapstat disconnected maps dumps 10(26 minutes ago, 5 files, 31+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9106949da32
03:24:54 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1066-ga910694 (34)
04:10:16 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1066-ga910694 (34)
04:23:04 -!- n1k is now known as n1
04:28:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
04:43:15 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Catiua
08:23:33 <advil> I guess we should feature freeze some day
08:24:31 <advil> I have no idea how that works
08:27:05 -!- Dracunos_ is now known as Dracunos
08:27:37 <gammafunk> I think there needs to be some agreement on a few things first
08:29:42 <advil> wjc/gn?
08:31:07 <advil> hm I wonder if brannock wanted to do any more to scarves
08:33:21 <advil> I guess there's also a few PRs to be considered
08:34:13 <Kramin> gnolls probably wont be in 0.20?
08:34:37 <Kramin> only just been added
08:36:46 <advil> no idea, I haven't spent any time with them myself, but I know at least lasty was putting some effort into that, and there's an adjustment PR waiting
08:40:57 <gammafunk> the newer the species is, the more likely it is to be disabled in trunk
08:42:38 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-1067-g76119e3: Some light changelog editing 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76119e335229
08:43:18 <advil> that monster melee xv change is such a good change
08:44:15 <gammafunk> still a couple things I need to add to that
08:44:31 <gammafunk> or someone does, rather
08:44:48 <advil> what's missing?
08:45:00 <gammafunk> the gsc base delay change, transporters
08:45:08 <advil> ah
08:45:18 <gammafunk> I think the former I missed when doing the last changelog update
08:45:23 <gammafunk> but found when doing the blog post
08:45:39 <advil> %git b4023b899515e064ccc2f044f3c
08:45:39 <Cheibriados> 07elliptic02 * 0.20-a0-931-gb4023b8: GSC base delay: 1.9 -> 1.8. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4023b899515
08:45:39 <gammafunk> maybe some other things, if I missed one I could have missed dozens!
08:46:10 <advil> I can add that one easily enough
08:48:59 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-1068-gdee899c: Add GSC change to changelog 10(4 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dee899cd4086
08:49:11 <advil> maybe you got to have the satisfaction of adding the transporter change :)
08:49:31 <advil> also I don't really know exactly what it entailed
08:49:45 <advil> well, beyond reading the commit msg
08:50:56 <gammafunk> yeah I have some more vaults to make, so I'm maybe waiting for that
08:50:59 <gammafunk> oh and I shoudl push a fix
08:59:10 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1069-g6bcfb42: Update map knowledge when transporting monsters 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6bcfb42c3f49
09:09:39 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1069-g6bcfb42 (34)
09:16:16 <advil> I did a pass through git log back to feb, could add mention of: cooldown timer change, DDoor+Borg paralysis, imprison in deep water, (spell fail rate changes?), dr ghost breath, stash search order, magenta for extreme draining, shallow water movement fixed penalty, lava orc/djinn conversion (?), autofire's sound patch (4270d38ebf63e36a8bcc), species selection menu, cerol guides
09:16:21 <advil> some of those are a bit small
09:17:32 <advil> I will now add at least some of those
09:23:53 <advil> %git 4270d38ebf63e36a8bcc
09:23:53 <Cheibriados> 07Autofire02 {|amethyst} * 0.20-a0-778-g4270d38: Enhanced sound support (PR #450) 10(3 months ago, 25 files, 341+ 78-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4270d38ebf63
09:34:30 <gammafunk> cerol guides?
09:36:46 <gammafunk> there's was a consensus some time back that changelog entries should be things that have a "significant gameplay effect" to keep the changelog from being too long and too filled with changes that are not likely to be relevant to players reading it
09:37:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-1070-g0c522bc: Even more changelog editing 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 22+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c522bc7ea57
09:37:13 <advil> well I didn't add all of that
09:37:37 <gammafunk> magenta for extreme draining, lava orc/djinn conversion, programming guides are probably not worth adding
09:37:51 <advil> ok
09:38:02 <advil> well, I do think the cerol guides are maybe worth highlighting
09:38:22 <gammafunk> well we have a lot of very valuable programming guides
09:38:26 <gammafunk> er documents
09:38:34 <gammafunk> but the question is whether they're appropriate for a changelog entry
09:38:50 <gammafunk> we generally don't put programming guides in the changelog
09:39:33 <advil> I'm not sure we really have any guides like those, and they're also much more outward-facing than most of the documentation we have
09:40:19 <gammafunk> right, but the changelog is not about introducing people to crawl development
09:40:30 <gammafunk> possibly we need a better programming orientation doc
09:40:39 <gammafunk> which could be linked in the top-level README
09:42:00 <gammafunk> don't worry, marvinpa will read some of those and remove them anyhow xD
09:42:07 <advil> ok
09:42:18 <gammafunk> all things...removed...in time....
09:43:09 <gammafunk> we've had debates about this in the past, towards more maximal inclusion of things in the changelog vs minimal, and the relative-minamlists won (I was sort of in the losing camp)
09:43:40 <gammafunk> however even I would draw the line at including programmer stuff; devs are bad and their icky stuff should stay in quarantine
09:43:56 <gammafunk> *minimalists
09:44:13 <advil> I do still think something like guides for what would be called modders in other communities (of which we have relatively little, and that's the target audience for Cerol's guides) might belong in the changelog
09:44:41 <advil> those guides aren't really for anyone with +v in this channel
09:44:50 <gammafunk> well, I mean maybe you could have a changelog for the developer docs
09:45:09 <gammafunk> but what's the target audience for a changelog entries for programmer docs?
09:45:24 <gammafunk> programmers who are too lazy to read the development docs to see what they have access to?
09:46:08 <|amethyst> those who looked over the development docs once, but don't follow the git history to see changes and new files in that directory?
09:46:32 <gammafunk> why once?
09:47:00 <|amethyst> because if I've already looked at all the stuff there, I'm not likely to go back and look again for new stuff
09:47:12 <gammafunk> it just doesn't really make sense to me; programmers are going to go "I'd like some documentation now, I'm about to code"
09:47:45 <advil> I wouldn't advocate regularly including stuff in doc in the changelog, but I might try to continue to defend these particular guides being a special case
09:48:01 <gammafunk> so maybe they'll go read the "Programming Crawl" doc and see these guides we've added prominently
09:49:45 <advil> they're written for players who might not have any idea what would be involved in adding something like a species to crawl, without any assumption of knowledge of crawlcode
09:50:31 <gammafunk> yeah but again putting those docs in the changelog doesn't really address that in any particularly good way
09:50:54 <advil> how so?
09:51:05 <advil> it makes anyone reading the changelog aware of them
09:52:13 <gammafunk> well we could put links to those docs in all sorts of places in the hopes that people will randomly read them
09:52:39 <gammafunk> it seems to me that the place to do this is the prominent place that people interested in modding will look
09:52:39 <|amethyst> The dev blog would be a good place for starters
09:52:45 <gammafunk> yes
09:52:52 <|amethyst> re the changelog:
09:52:53 <advil> sure, that sounds like a good place
09:53:07 <|amethyst> IMO write an intro document that describes what's there
09:53:13 <|amethyst> sort the guides into a new directory
09:53:26 <advil> yeah, they should be put into a subdirectory
09:53:35 <|amethyst> then add to the changelog "Dev docs updated, see docs/develop/README.md for more information"
09:53:48 <|amethyst> s/updated/reorganized/
09:54:51 <gammafunk> yeah that would be a good approach
09:55:04 <advil> I can take a stab at that at some point
10:09:28 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1070-g0c522bc (34)
10:59:43 <Henzell> Demosthentine (L12 MfGl)  (D:11)
11:16:33 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away
11:16:38 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie
13:00:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:17:23 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1070-g0c522bc (34)
14:10:03 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07* 0.20-a0-1063-g7d7e1fa: Mention Oka ammo gifting when you reach 3* 10(28 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7d7e1fa669ec
14:10:03 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-1072-g99f7aaf: Merge pull request #528 from alexjurkiewicz/oka-ammo-gift-notification 10(9 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/99f7aaffc9b3
14:10:33 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-1073-g49e0d3e: Mention Okawaru ammo gifts in the god description 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49e0d3e84251
15:09:29 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1073-g49e0d3e (34)
16:21:27 <minmay> j
16:35:37 <Mnoleg> Hey guys! I just want to announce that I've sent a pull request for a crawl website. https://github.com/crawl/dcss-website/pull/6
16:35:37 <Sequell> Mnoleg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:35:51 <Mnoleg> !messges
16:35:59 <Mnoleg> !messages
16:36:00 <Sequell> (1/2) minqmay said (about 4y 44w 6d 21h 55m ago): hey does that place sell flash powder?
16:36:19 <Mnoleg> !messages
16:36:20 <Sequell> (1/1) minqmay said (about 4y 41w 3d 4h 1m 36s ago): you think a microwave carousel's motor would be strong enough?
17:03:30 <Eksell> Alipheese (L1 NaFi) ASSERT(level >= 0) in 'mutation.cc' at line 453 failed. (D:1)
17:05:36 <advil> !crashlog
17:05:38 <Sequell> 17198. Alipheese, XL1 NaFi, T:280 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Alipheese/crash-Alipheese-20170428-210309.txt
17:07:57 <advil> "The bosom of this dungeon" what
17:08:38 <|amethyst> advil:  "For those who would enter Zin's holy bosom..."
17:08:40 <advil> apparently I never read the welcome messages
17:08:52 <advil> yeah, I just did "git grep bosom" too :-P
17:10:40 <advil> "spit poison: 1 (2 innate)" well that's slightly worrying
17:14:33 <advil> very weird...it's just an XL 1 char on D:1 as far as I can tell
17:15:00 <advil> %git 567cada9dbc8b3fec59a43039a14cef25b3b94b4
17:15:00 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1463-g567cada: Make MUT_SPIT_POISON a two level mutation 10(8 months ago, 6 files, 22+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/567cada9dbc8
17:19:06 <advil> game doesn't seem to have any upgrades tho
17:20:04 <advil> %git
17:20:04 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.20-a0-1073-g49e0d3e: Mention Okawaru ammo gifts in the god description 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49e0d3e84251
17:20:25 <advil> and it's not very old
17:22:43 <advil> though the save compat code is wrong!
17:23:23 <|amethyst> advil:  search for TAG_MINOR_SPIT_POISON_AGAIN
17:23:25 <|amethyst> advil:  in tags.cc
17:23:28 <advil> yeah
17:23:37 <advil> that is not updating the innate mut level, only the regular mut level
17:23:55 <advil> which could result in that scenario -- but it would have to be a game upgraded from 0.19
17:25:02 <|amethyst> crash dumps don't contain notes, so it's hard to tell whether that happened
17:25:21 <|amethyst> There is a "Welcome back" so at least it was saved and restored
17:25:31 <advil> ohh
17:25:42 <advil> was spit poison ever available to non-nagas?
17:25:53 <|amethyst> hm, not certain
17:27:54 <geekosaur> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/449f0484c362
17:28:08 <amalloy> i thought it was
17:28:18 <advil> ah thanks geekosaur
17:29:39 <geekosaur> but that commit's from 0.18a
17:30:44 <advil> yeah, but there may still be games around with non-innate spit poison
17:30:55 <advil> oops he left
17:31:06 <advil> yeah, but there may still be games around with non-innate spit poison, that's what I wanted to know
17:31:55 <advil> btw do you know you get dropped for "Excess Flood"?
17:32:17 <advil> thought I'd mention it since the logs can no longer tell you that :)
17:36:36 <advil> yup, this is exactly what happened, easiest to find save compat issue ever
17:39:37 * geekosaur can tell, it's a znc glitch
17:39:46 <geekosaur> and znc goes through a lengthy reconnect afterward
17:39:57 <geekosaur> from which I am *still* cleaning up :/
17:40:05 <advil> sounds pretty annoying
17:45:24 <advil> interesting, none of this save compat code does anything with temp mutations
17:45:38 <ASCIIPhilia1> i need help build in https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles
17:45:54 <ASCIIPhilia1> Can anyone help?
17:52:14 <advil> I probably can't help but you might as well try asking, maybe someone is around who can
17:56:59 <ASCIIPhilia1> The problem is too complicated.
17:57:00 <ASCIIPhilia1> Maybe I should give a shell...
17:57:37 <ASCIIPhilia1> need a lot of gammafunk +_+
18:11:38 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-1073-g49e0d3e (34)
18:21:11 <rumflump> ??ask
18:21:12 <Sequell> ask[1/1]: The Ask To Ask protocol has higher latency than any known version of the Ask protocol, so feel free to just ask your question.
18:21:22 <rumflump> if you leave your question in the room, someone may find it :)
18:21:27 <rumflump> even if they're not around right now
18:21:45 <rumflump> nb: ascii's first language isn't english, be the patient
18:21:52 <rumflump> also ascii made the sound patch on cwz
18:21:55 <rumflump> cool cat.
18:22:02 <rumflump> if you didn't already know this stuff!
18:23:25 <advil> I have on my todo list to try to go through that checklist & set up a server myself, so that I have some idea wtf is going on with it
18:25:20 <ASCIIPhilia1> actaully i making auto-setup dgamelanch server script
18:25:28 <ASCIIPhilia1> but i think wiki document have a lot of ploblem...
18:25:56 <ASCIIPhilia1> (and i'm learning linux)
18:28:31 <rumflump> auto setup? you mean you're trying to figure out DGL in such a way that other people can just launch your script?
18:28:49 <rumflump> there was someone here who tried to make a server cookbook like that
18:28:52 <rumflump> ??mattias
18:28:52 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled mattias in my learndb.
18:30:34 <ASCIIPhilia1> yeah If the work is successful, i have plan post auto-setup docker image
18:30:40 <gammafunk> hi
18:30:44 <ASCIIPhilia1> hi
18:31:05 <gammafunk> did you get the server to respond on 8080?
18:31:06 <ASCIIPhilia1> bad news
18:31:15 <ASCIIPhilia1> yes i fixed it
18:31:29 <ASCIIPhilia1> bas news: tmux history was not saved
18:31:33 <ASCIIPhilia1> (TT)
18:31:36 <gammafunk> oh ok, that's no problem
18:31:46 <gammafunk> can I still log in?
18:31:50 <ASCIIPhilia1> yeah
18:33:42 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step11_f       latest              af2ebb00c0e9        17 hours ago        3.191 GB > success webtiles run image, response abstr.net:8080, but it print error log when use register function
18:33:43 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step11_d       latest              be7af3f2452c        19 hours ago        3.188 GB
18:33:43 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step11_c       latest              2847423bb5f6        20 hours ago        3.086 GB
18:33:43 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step11_b       latest              7479cd1c16a5        20 hours ago        3.081 GB
18:33:43 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step11_a       latest              7e56d5a7c331        21 hours ago        3.081 GB > 1 to step 11 done image
18:33:45 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step9          latest              d9a3f3c1ebbc        21 hours ago        1.021 GB
18:33:47 <ASCIIPhilia1> dcss_step1          latest              b89b8f2d4e59        21 hours ago        845.6 MB
18:33:53 <ASCIIPhilia1> docker images > print docker image
18:34:50 <ASCIIPhilia1> docker run -i -t --privileged -p 8080:8080 --name CONTAINER_NAME IMAGE_NAME /bin/bash > run image and make container
18:35:09 <gammafunk> maybe we can continue in PM
18:37:05 <ASCIIPhilia1> yeah i wait you :)
18:53:23 <advil> why are some messages swallowed while loading?
18:53:46 <advil> that's actually why we never found this save compat issue, there was a red error message that got printed but reliably gets swallowed
18:54:05 <advil> on saves with messed up spit poison
18:54:10 <advil> I can force it to show up by printing a ton of stuff beforehand
18:56:34 <advil> nagas from before TAG_MINOR_SPIT_POISON_AGAIN that import their save later (but before the extra mutation validation) would improperly get exhale poison
18:56:47 <advil> (as usual, this turned out to be _way_ more complicated than it first seemed)
18:59:03 <gammafunk> crawl code being obtuse?!?!
19:00:22 <advil> hm, I can't see a way to differentiate these saves from chars that actually earned their poison breath
19:01:13 <advil> maybe anyone who upgraded at the right times will get to keep it
19:05:45 <advil> well, I guess I could identify the like 2 saves that might exist that saved once in 0.19 and never reloaded
19:06:07 <advil> maybe we should break save compat in 0.21 :D
19:10:55 <Cheibriados> "Your ally  died" in notes (possibly a unique bribed by Gozag) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11041 by Leszczynek
19:20:32 <advil> "The main issue of the game hanging up is fixed, but there seems to be a tiny bug remaining. When a spectator joins when the player is in the middle of writing the note, he needs to refocus the note textbox manually, and when he finishes writing, only the part that existed before spectator joined will be saved to notes."
19:20:32 <advil> ugh
19:22:22 <gammafunk> |amethyst: any idea why ASCIIPhilia would be seeing error message about being out of ptys when starting trunk on his dgl-based webtiles instance?
19:22:31 <gammafunk> it's running from a docker container
19:32:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  probably /{chroot}/dev/pts isn't mounted
19:32:19 <gammafunk> oh
19:32:47 <|amethyst> (been there, done that)
19:37:45 <advil> innate spit poison 2 (exhale poison, was once spit poison 3) is and always has been completely impossible, right?
19:37:49 <advil> if anyone knows
19:40:59 <gammafunk> hrm, I still see these pty errors
19:41:02 <gammafunk> after mounting that
19:42:14 <Pinkbeast> gammafunk: Can you C&P an error verbatim?
19:42:44 <gammafunk> ASCIIPhilia1: ^
19:43:34 <ASCIIPhilia1> C&P is
19:43:36 <ASCIIPhilia1> copy and paste?
19:43:44 <gammafunk> yep
19:43:50 <ASCIIPhilia1> webtiles.log?
19:43:52 <ASCIIPhilia1> mount log?
19:44:02 <ASCIIPhilia1> root@a21e9a30a40b:/home/crawl-dev# tail -f /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log
19:44:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> File "/home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/terminal.py", line 47, in _spawn
19:44:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/pty.py", line 107, in fork
19:44:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> master_fd, slave_fd = openpty()
19:44:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/pty.py", line 29, in openpty
19:44:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> master_fd, slave_name = _open_terminal()
19:44:05 <ASCIIPhilia1> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/pty.py", line 70, in _open_terminal
19:44:07 <ASCIIPhilia1> raise os.error, 'out of pty devices'
19:44:09 <ASCIIPhilia1> OSError: out of pty devices
19:44:11 <ASCIIPhilia1> 2017-04-28 23:36:27,451 INFO: #6     P29    Crawl terminated.
19:44:13 <ASCIIPhilia1> 2017-04-28 23:41:05,026 INFO: #5     Socket closed. (4174 bytes sent, compression ratio 81%)
19:44:49 <Pinkbeast> Better to pastebin if you're going to dump a lot. Anything around then in /var/log/syslog (or /var/log/messages ) ?
19:46:16 <ASCIIPhilia1> how i print it?
19:46:21 <ASCIIPhilia1> tail?
19:46:44 <Pinkbeast> Or "less", or "view", or whatever you prefer
19:47:14 <amalloy> well if it's large and you can't fit the relevant part on one screen but you want to copy/paste it to a pastebin, you could download it with scp
19:48:02 <ASCIIPhilia1> root@a21e9a30a40b:/home/crawl-dev# cat /var/log/syslog
19:48:03 <ASCIIPhilia1> cat: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory
19:48:16 <Pinkbeast> I wonder if https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/4605 is pertinent here
19:48:24 <ASCIIPhilia1> root@a21e9a30a40b:/home/crawl-dev# ls /var/log/
19:48:24 <ASCIIPhilia1> alternatives.log  apt  bootstrap.log  btmp  dmesg  dpkg.log  faillog  fsck  lastlog  wtmp
19:49:58 <ASCIIPhilia1> /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog is not exist :(...
19:51:56 <ASCIIPhilia1> add -t option? when i start container?
19:52:26 <Pinkbeast> ASCIIPhilia1: Worth a go but I don't really know about docker. Also worth checking if your dgamelaunch arrangement works when not in a docker container.
19:54:12 <ASCIIPhilia1> you mean is first, test in the not docker server?
19:54:29 <Pinkbeast> That's what I'd do.
19:55:46 <ASCIIPhilia1> As you say, i will try the test in the not docker env. :)
19:56:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
20:14:07 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia1:  if you don't have those, try journalctl -x -n 200
20:14:18 <|amethyst> ASCIIPhilia1:  (increase the 200 for more logs)
20:16:18 <Pinkbeast> Oh, God, systemd strikes again. Should have thought of that. :-(
20:19:57 <ASCIIPhilia1> root@a21e9a30a40b:/# journalctl -x -n 200
20:19:58 <ASCIIPhilia1> No journal files were found.
20:19:58 <ASCIIPhilia1> -- No entries --
20:20:50 <ASCIIPhilia1> |amethyst: No journal files were found.
20:29:21 <rumflump> when you thought you were safe
20:29:37 <rumflump> when your system was a paragon of not being windows
20:29:44 <rumflump> while you were sleeping...
20:29:58 <rumflump> SYSTEMD! (coming soon to a theater near you)
20:44:06 <|amethyst> rumflump:  It all makes me think someone saw OS X, and Windows, and Solaris, and said "I can make a shittier version of that!"
20:44:37 <rumflump> I have been pondering a fresh start, with uefi, no systemd, and maybe even wayland
20:44:49 <rumflump> can't decide which package manager I'm least ambivalent about
20:45:06 <|amethyst> honestly, systemd is way better than what came before
20:45:32 <rumflump> I know a guy who uses that older one on purpose, and recommends it highly
20:45:48 <rumflump> vanilla debian stable sorta guy
20:46:22 <|amethyst> I used it for a decade or two, and it did suck more than it should have
20:46:31 <ASCIIPhilia1> guys, this ##crawl-dev users mostly UTC time is what?
20:46:39 <ASCIIPhilia1> here in korea is UTC+9
20:47:05 <|amethyst> probably more people in UTC-4 and UTC-7
20:47:07 <rumflump> here utc-7, but maybe not during daylight savings
20:47:25 <ASCIIPhilia1> aha!
20:47:57 <rumflump> sysvinit!
20:47:57 <|amethyst> rumflump:  I think it's probably daylight savings right now, at least if you're in the US or Canada
20:47:58 <rumflump> that's the one
20:48:07 <|amethyst> yeah
20:48:23 <|amethyst> symlinks to shell scripts everywhere
20:49:00 <|amethyst> I still have several sysv init scripts, and dgamelaunch-config comes with a sysv init script for running webtiles
20:49:17 <|amethyst> (FR: port that to whatever the hell systemd uses)
20:52:20 <ASCIIPhilia1> hah.. I envy you guys.
20:52:22 <ASCIIPhilia1> I'm already on Saturday 09:51.
20:53:30 <ASCIIPhilia1> I have 34 hours left on my weekend.
20:58:06 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-1074-g6a0a8e1: Save compat for spit poison 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a0a8e18d58d
21:09:31 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1074-g6a0a8e1 (34)
22:05:09 <gammafunk> advil, the save compat king!
22:05:48 <gammafunk> I was thinking the other day (after that mapstat commit) about how it would actually work to have mapstat/objstat not be implemented in dcss itself
22:06:16 <gammafunk> and where we simply had a mode where crawl wrote generated levels out, either just to a save or out to an sqlite3 db
22:06:31 <gammafunk> the latter sounds like it could be a great way to do things, since we already have sqlite3
22:06:52 <gammafunk> but I realized it could involve duplicating a lot of logic for representing crawl data
22:07:36 <gammafunk> maybe having our save marshalling/unmarshalling in some kind of "libcrawl" that got linked into crawl
22:08:18 <gammafunk> I suppose that doesn't do anything directly to avoid the "how do you map to some readable database" thing since any other program using libcrawl still has to have all the same data structures that crawl does
22:08:50 <gammafunk> maybe there's a relatively simple way to take all relevant level data and put it into some sqlite tables
22:09:22 <gammafunk> but it would be lovely if we could not have all that mapstat/objstat logic (particularly objstat) in crawl itself
22:09:57 <gammafunk> those kinds of things are much more ideal to implement in some interpreted language like python
22:10:43 <gammafunk> and we would actually have more data to look at if we have just the full level data instead of the report that mapstat assembles
22:17:39 <gammafunk> hrm
22:17:45 <gammafunk> are weapon delays and such exposed via lua
22:35:47 <Kramin> is tavern down?
22:40:50 <Kramin> oh it loaded finally
22:59:15 <hellmonk> uncrawl fork guy is much crazier than I was expecting him to be
23:02:29 <rumflump> did you chat about it outside of tavern?
23:03:38 <hellmonk> no
23:03:59 <hellmonk> I will 100% legit contribute to it if it's not an awful trainwreck though
23:04:11 <rumflump> I mean
23:04:20 <rumflump> I will submit a couple PRs even if it is a trainwreck
23:04:24 <rumflump> as long as it actually exists
23:04:38 <hellmonk> but holy lol victory dancing as a feature to increase the "strategic headspace" ayy le fucking mao
23:05:06 <rumflump> tbf, shard# said victory dancing, Bletch didn't
23:05:45 <rumflump> but if they really go forward with building the codebase backward, dancing will have to be removeronied yes
23:05:45 <hellmonk> active skill allocation and the xp pool directly caused victory dancing though
23:06:34 <hellmonk> I didn't read his post properly the first time either, backporting things is a fucking stupid idea imo
23:07:58 <hellmonk> its much easier to forward port the old mechanics than to backport all the qol stuff, I am pretty sure
23:08:15 <rumflump> forward porting is hard too
23:08:39 <rumflump> past a certain born-on date, it's pretty much incompatible and has to be rewritten
23:08:50 <rumflump> rip my attempts to implement Glamour
23:08:51 <Sequell> rip
23:08:51 <hellmonk> yeah, but I think that there have been less old features removed than new qol features added
23:09:12 <hellmonk> perhaps I am just biased by my extreme dislike of a lot of old features
23:09:44 <rumflump> yeah you might be the opposite of the target audience
23:09:49 <hellmonk> like, I would 100% not forward itemdest or victorydancing even for a "high strategic headroom" fork
23:09:55 <rumflump> I don't think the target audience plays though, I think they just complain
23:10:52 <rumflump> I thought I'd get a small wave of MD-lovers and HE-lovers when I posted yiufcrawl on reddit, but they're too busy hating things to play. tavern peeps do most of the yiufcrawl-playing
23:11:06 <hellmonk> tbf I understand the appeal of a roguelike that is more about roleplaying and exploration than optimizing your winrate and capping that dank 40streak
23:11:24 <hellmonk> but I think a whole lot of that strategic headroom blog is full of bullshit
23:11:31 <rumflump> it might be called nethack, or Sil
23:11:57 <hellmonk> I assumed that the intent of this prospective fork was "crawl flavored nethack"
23:12:15 <hellmonk> which is not necessarily bad in and of itself, just designed for a different target audience
23:13:34 <rumflump> let's break into that discord channel
23:13:54 <hellmonk> and I would legit contribute to it, because a lot of my ironic feature requests would make sense in the context of a game that isnt about winning and doesnt have to care about things like tedium or tactical depth
23:14:17 <rumflump> wanna help me unremove stalker? :P
23:14:23 <advil> "Linley's Crawl is much better-documented." I was intrigued by this idea
23:14:27 <hellmonk> I can maybe work on that
23:14:38 <hellmonk> tbh I am not sure how bad the problems with stalker are
23:15:00 <hellmonk> all I really have on my plate for this week is removing the slings skill and then merging your conjurations removal pr
23:15:11 <rumflump> fulsome/evap (I *still* can't remember which one is which, terrible names) uses a ton of potions that no longer exist
23:15:35 <johnstein> %git :/mapstat
23:15:35 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.20-a0-1066-ga910694: Add a -dump-disconnect CLI to control mapstat disconnected maps dumps 10(21 hours ago, 5 files, 31+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9106949da32
23:15:38 <advil> (fulsome) distillation makes potions, evaporation makes clouds
23:16:03 <hellmonk> the cleanest way to bring stalker back is probably to drop fulsome and just make evap really good but you have to consume a useful potion
23:16:15 <rumflump> so I'm thinking make it mostly about degen/blood. degen that you find on the ground, or distill from inedible corpses. and blood that you distill from edible corpses and/or vampire-chop
23:16:27 <hellmonk> but if you are set on bringing back fulsome then it's a bit more work yeah
23:16:32 <rumflump> I've cleaned out most of the code that deals with non-existing potions
23:18:03 <advil> it wouldn't be the same without distillation...
23:19:09 <CanOfWorms> time to bring back praying and corpse sacrificing
23:19:13 <CanOfWorms> old ely conduct
23:19:30 <CanOfWorms> merge every iteration of nem into an unholy card dealing monstrosity
23:19:35 <hellmonk> lol
23:20:01 <CanOfWorms> bring back Oldkawaru with might and haste
23:20:06 <hellmonk> real talk: can we get a fuckin sif buff or a veh buff or sth
23:20:21 <hellmonk> why do the magic gods have to be such hot garbage
23:24:59 <Henzell> sophia (L15 GrFi) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1978 failed. (Zot (ZotDef))
23:25:21 <advil> hm, this travis crash is not very replicable
23:26:35 <advil> !crashlog
23:26:36 <Sequell> 17198. Alipheese, XL1 NaFi, T:280 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Alipheese/crash-Alipheese-20170428-210309.txt
23:26:40 <advil> !crashlog sophia sprint
23:26:41 <Sequell> No milestones for sophia (sprint crash).
23:26:49 <advil> oh that's zotdef
23:26:55 <advil> I didn't even know you could still play that
23:33:33 <geekosaur> it's zotdef, and it's known broken, don;t waste your time
23:33:42 <geekosaur> I think one of the servers still has 0.15 available with zotdef
23:34:21 <advil> ah
23:49:24 <advil> well, I got rid of the travis error by rerunning that build, but there may be a random segfault somewhere in vault placement lua