00:03:32 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, it's not that hard to code this
00:05:09 <advil> I'm still a little unclear on what actual problem it would solve. Of course, I have to admit I've also never been entirely clear on when one should use zin's capstone in the first place.
00:05:13 <rumflump> I think hellcrawl has it already, but probably not in a clean trunk-worthy implementation
00:05:56 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: got a commit sha for your implementation?
00:06:07 <hellmonk> it's on github
00:06:17 <alexjurkiewicz> https://github.com/Hellmonk/hellcrawl/commit/f10cc85a925b959d837179fa8bfe04dd914a050e
00:06:29 <alexjurkiewicz> luv that indentation
00:06:33 <hellmonk> does some other zin cleanup that is hellcrawl specific
00:06:51 <hellmonk> like removing a reference to food
00:07:20 <alexjurkiewicz> worshippers may invoke Zin's wrath upon sinners <-- zin has a smite in hellcrawl?
00:07:25 <hellmonk> I didn't take out the mut protection, don't think it matters much one way or the other
00:07:27 <alexjurkiewicz> oh, it means recite
00:08:13 <minmay> winco has a different variety of terrible cheap zinfandel every time i go there
00:09:35 <hellmonk> depends on whether or not you want to piety tax zinnites a lot or a little for not playing the los blocking game
00:10:19 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e (34)
00:11:51 <hellmonk> I didn't do anything specific re: evolution either but I don't think it's necessary to
00:12:50 <alexjurkiewicz> seems like additional complexity, especially given how quick your mutation removal is
00:13:32 <hellmonk> I didn't really put a whole lot of thought into the numbers; I assumed a fairly rapid timeout would be the most sensible but I'm sure it would be fine higher
00:15:02 <hellmonk> again, depends on whether or not you want Zin players to have to deal with the mut game or just let opting out of it be more or less part of the zin conduct
00:17:05 <alexjurkiewicz> there is still a lot of code in decks.cc that assumes other gods than nemelex can be worshipped while using cards
00:19:39 <alexjurkiewicz> !source resist_mutation
00:19:39 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/god-passive.h#L133
00:20:53 <gammafunk> I'm still not really happy with the state of the !mutation change, myself
00:31:37 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e (34)
00:40:31 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: cribbed heavily from your commit, thanks
00:40:36 <hellmonk> np
00:40:51 <hellmonk> now just revert monk changes before the playerbase riots :^)
00:41:18 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/521 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/521
00:41:18 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/521 * 0.20-a0-1025-gefae65c: Rework Zin's mutation protection. 10(15 hours ago, 15 files, 37+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efae65c298bd
00:41:38 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: like anyone truly cares about monk
00:41:47 <hellmonk> >:^)
00:43:09 <hellmonk> i will prob steal part of that commit to clean my version up
00:45:39 <gammafunk> my goodness
00:45:50 <gammafunk> alex writing clear justification for his commits?!
00:49:34 <gammafunk> hrm
00:51:03 <gammafunk> one thing about this is that it removes the spending gold to gain piety to get to the capstone; I guess that's not particularly interesting as a usage
00:51:14 <gammafunk> but I wonder how this will interact with spending gold for piety
00:51:24 <hellmonk> donating gold and then pressing 5 a lot is kind of bad in general tbh
00:52:41 <alexjurkiewicz> donating gold will still give piety to remove mutations faster
00:53:10 <gammafunk> yeah, the actives are a strong enough justification as it is
00:53:21 <gammafunk> and there is the good god conversion thing
00:53:33 <gammafunk> I think since
00:53:38 <gammafunk> the "gifts" are tied to piety gain
00:53:41 <gammafunk> it should be alright
00:53:46 <gammafunk> oh, ight
00:53:53 <gammafunk> but the piety gain from donation is tied to time
00:54:14 <alexjurkiewicz> I'm pretty uncertain about the gift timeout. I think it's too fast in this initial revision. Or maybe it should start slow and end up relatively quick
00:54:57 <hellmonk> I don't think that muts are gamechanging enough for fast timeout to be a big deal
00:55:27 <gammafunk> since it's only curing one mutation at a time, with reasonable sane values it should be reasonably sane
00:55:38 <gammafunk> if it was doing !mutation levels of mutation removal it would be pretty nuts
01:00:36 <alexjurkiewicz> lil' bonus PR
01:01:59 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/522 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522
01:01:59 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.20-a0-1025-gefae65c: Rework Zin's mutation protection. 10(15 hours ago, 15 files, 37+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efae65c298bd
01:01:59 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.20-a0-1026-g264b918: Move all god gifting logic into separate functions 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 432+ 397-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/264b918cd85d
01:20:19 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e (34)
01:28:53 -!- MUY3MTA3 is now known as OICU812
01:54:34 <CanOfWorms> "First, Elyvilions pacifiy ability only makes monsters neutral? What does that mean exactly, The hydra I just "pacified" still seems a bit nibbly and still attacks me. Should I kill it or something?"
01:55:28 <hellmonk> lol indeed
01:56:26 <gammafunk> well hydras are known to be a bit nibbly when they're amorous...
01:59:51 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e
02:03:31 <ProzacElf> sexxxy hydra time
02:03:33 <ProzacElf> with ely
02:25:24 <minmay> hydra is NOT for sexual
02:41:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
02:44:50 <rumflump> 7 tongues.
02:44:52 <rumflump> duh
02:46:33 <rumflump> why is mummy rc- in player.cc and not a mutation?
02:48:34 <rumflump> I put imp rc- in the same place just in case, but I never thought to ask why
02:48:38 <rumflump> until now!
02:54:43 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e
03:01:25 <alexjurkiewicz> probably because mummy is old code
03:01:36 <alexjurkiewicz> same as why mummy necro enhancer is not a real mutation
03:01:59 <alexjurkiewicz> actually, the other reason is probably that for a single-species quirk, making it a real mutation is more effort than it's worth
03:09:18 <rumflump> there's already an rc- mut though, I think the only thing wrong with it is that it's qaz-flagged
03:24:18 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e (34)
03:34:56 -!- not_mibe is now known as fazisi
04:19:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:05:14 <advil> rumflump: also, because mummies can't mutate further, there's no need to deal with interactions with other mutations
09:05:34 <advil> that could be different for imp
09:25:08 <wheals> rC- mut came around far later than mummies did
09:25:19 <wheals> decades, perhaps
10:51:07 -!- panicbit2 is now known as panicbit
11:09:19 -!- bh is now known as Guest80352
13:04:38 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1025-g4706f7e (34)
13:20:53 -!- Floodkiller_ is now known as Floodkiller
14:41:22 -!- bannakaf_ is now known as bannakaffalatta
15:47:16 <gammafunk> hrm
15:47:22 <gammafunk> typedef Matrix<bool> subvault_mask;
15:47:26 <gammafunk> so what's the size
15:48:17 <gammafunk> oh
15:48:23 <gammafunk> it's a pointer, the instance I'm looking at
16:15:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as pharmacist
16:57:54 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1026-gc3ddcbd: Move a vault deeper and fix a typo in a vault name 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3ddcbd8214c
17:09:31 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1026-gc3ddcbd (34)
17:58:30 -!- yesno__ is now known as yesno
18:02:38 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-1026-gc3ddcbd (34)
19:26:57 <geekosaur> is cue supposed to be reporting milestones in ##crawl?
19:29:19 <geekosaur> !tell TZer0 should cue be reporting milestones in ##crawl? I see none in (largeish) backscroll and someone just noted they had a win that wasn't reported (!lg * won cue 4015)
19:29:20 <Sequell> geekosaur: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
19:42:12 <minmay> Lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'shoals_end_simple'
19:42:44 <minmay> objstat dont do this to me rn i just want to show you to the d&d guy on tavern
19:44:46 <alexjurkiewicz> did any devs look at the zin pr
19:45:09 <gammafunk> minmay: did that actually cause a crash
19:45:28 <gammafunk> or halt execution
19:50:11 <minmay> no
19:51:35 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: why not link them to gammafunk's objstat runs already done
19:51:38 <alexjurkiewicz> ??objstat[google
19:51:38 <Sequell> objstat[2/2]: Spreadsheets for all releases & trunk 0.20-a0-513-g02c11fc: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing ; See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing
20:58:36 -!- Tickenest_ is now known as Tickenest
21:14:06 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock
21:29:57 <Brannock> !tell floodkiller just hit me up when you're back
21:29:57 <Sequell> Brannock: OK, I'll let floodkiller know.
21:59:54 <espais> elliptic: hi there...what version of dcss is recommended for your qw bot?
22:03:54 <espais> i tried 0.19.4 and 0.19.0 (you mentioned in the readme that the 0.19 release was valid) and i've run into lua issues...do you want me to report them here or on the github page?
22:06:51 <elliptic> trunk
22:07:20 <elliptic> if you want something that works in 0.19, you'll have to take some older commit (from shortly after 0.19 release)
22:09:32 <elliptic> readme is quite out of date, I guess I can change a couple things
22:09:50 <espais> gotcha, i'll give that a shot
22:11:03 <espais> so just clone from git and it should be fine?
22:13:31 -!- bannakaf_ is now known as bannakaffalatta
22:15:14 <elliptic> I haven't run qw in a couple weeks but it probably still works with current trunk as long as you don't tell qw to go to tomb
22:15:34 <espais> i've been just trying some sanity checks to make sure it works by default before i start messing with the settings
22:16:22 <elliptic> let me know if it doesn't work by default with current master on git
22:16:40 <espais> ok, rebuilding trunk now
22:17:26 <espais> i'm the one who wanted to do some genetic algorithms work with it several months ago...summer time means time for research for me
22:17:52 <espais> if it goes anywhere i think i'll try to contribute to your repo
22:21:44 <espais> well that was fun on my personal run
22:21:53 <espais> cast into abyss 3 right into the abyssal rune room
22:22:13 <espais> and dead in several hits from a bunch of star cursed masses and tentacle attacks
22:26:10 <Brannock> crawl comes at you fast
22:29:51 <Brannock> !learn edit mr[3] s/elves/DE/
22:29:51 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled mr[3] in my learndb.
22:29:57 <Brannock> !learn edit magic_resistance[3] s/elves/DE/
22:29:57 <Sequell> magic resistance[3/5]: Monster MR is a property of the monster type and HD. Player MR is XL * racial-multiplier + 40 per item, mutation level, or artefact + of MR, or for being in lichform. Racial factor is 7 for Sp, 6 for purple Dr, Fe and DD, 5 for Na, Mu and VS, 4 for DE, Dg, Vp, Fo and Og, and 3 for everyone else.
22:30:35 <Brannock> !learn edit magic_resistance[3] s/Og,/Og, 2 for Gn,/
22:30:36 <Sequell> magic resistance[3/5]: Monster MR is a property of the monster type and HD. Player MR is XL * racial-multiplier + 40 per item, mutation level, or artefact + of MR, or for being in lichform. Racial factor is 7 for Sp, 6 for purple Dr, Fe and DD, 5 for Na, Mu and VS, 4 for DE, Dg, Vp, Fo and Og, 2 for Gn, and 3 for everyone else.
22:30:48 <Brannock> that entry can probably be rewritten but I'm heading out soon
22:35:27 <geekosaur> ^status
22:35:27 <Rotatell> 50 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=91% (135GB) | RAM usage=41% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 22:35:27 up 48 days,  3:13,  1 user,  load average: 0.70, 0.72, 0.72 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
22:45:53 <CanOfWorms> ?amulet of magic
22:45:56 <CanOfWorms> ??amulet of magic
22:45:57 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled amulet_of_magic in my learndb.
22:49:04 <geekosaur> !learn add amulet_of_magic see {amulet of magic regeneration}
22:49:05 <Sequell> amulet of magic[1/1]: see {amulet of magic regeneration}
22:50:12 <minmay> fr: remove natural player MR
22:51:18 <espais> elliptic: seems to be working so far...i'll let you know if i run into anything...thanks!
22:53:00 <CanOfWorms> !tell lasty did you intentionally nerf amulets of magic regeneration? in dbd815ee it looks like it was changed the player needs +46 MP? to achieve the same rate as before
22:53:00 <Sequell> CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let lasty know.