00:31:46 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1015-g2ec8a95 (34)
00:55:05 <rumflump-4k> > Level 12, got my body slot late, it is claws
00:55:27 <rumflump-4k> fr: all weapon skills xtrain to UC for Ds
01:20:27 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1015-g2ec8a95 (34)
01:47:21 <Rast-> FR: distinguish gozag shops from normal shops when listing where an item was purchased
02:00:32 <geekosaur> Tile 'zephyr' for part 'HAND1' not found in 'dc-player.txt'.
02:01:15 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1015-g2ec8a95
02:16:02 <Cheibriados> Pikel's slaves aren't freed from Usk injury bond when Pikel dies 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11010 by geekosaur
02:55:57 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1015-g2ec8a95
03:02:41 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1016-g241539b: Fix doll tiles for the Zephyr bow unrand (geekosaur) 10(17 minutes ago, 4 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/241539b22b52
03:03:09 <gammafunk> turns out not only was there a compilation error, but due to the artefact enum definition incorrectly being carried over from Shargna
03:03:31 <gammafunk> the hand tile wasn't even displayed after the file was renamed; had to remove the enum def in the art data text file
03:25:31 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1016-g241539b (34)
03:26:10 <Lightli> question
03:26:19 <Lightli> I thought elephant slugs were removed from the game outside of gastronok
03:26:24 <Lightli> why is there an elephant slug zombie here
03:37:11 <geekosaur> someone forgot to block generation of derived undead for it?
03:40:38 <geekosaur> hm, right, couldn't do the usual because it's also the genus for dart slug and (for some reason) torpor snail?
03:41:41 <minmay> slugs are just homeless snails
03:43:57 <geekosaur> anyway suspect it needs M_NO_GEN_DERIVED and maybe M_NO_POLY_TO
03:49:40 <geekosaur> apparently it's bug report night
03:51:23 <geekosaur> but chei's taking it easy
03:54:30 <Cheibriados> derived elephant slug undead 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11011 by geekosaur
04:33:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
04:38:03 <rumflump-4k> loook at this sweet new html morgue thing https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Menche/un531/dumplog/1492211919.un531.txt.html
04:38:23 <rumflump-4k> hover over inventory items
05:44:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:07:51 <Cheibriados> WJC: wrong jump message 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11012 by Yermak
08:13:01 <Cheibriados> WJC and Passage of Golubria interaction 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11013 by Yermak
09:51:23 -!- Euph0ria is now known as OICU812
12:29:52 -!- adelrune_ is now known as vibrato_de_la_ka
12:30:00 -!- vibrato_de_la_ka is now known as la_kalash
12:32:52 <geekosaur> sigh, thought I'd searched for those reports :/
13:24:39 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1016-g241539b (34)
13:33:23 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:40:17 <Doesnty> hey can we either
13:40:24 <Doesnty> not flag beogh as evil
13:40:33 <Doesnty> or not use christian terms for its titles
13:40:50 <hellmonk> apparently it's intentional commentary and that makes it ok or something
13:41:02 <Doesnty> uh-huh
13:41:10 <hellmonk> btw the "intentional commentary" of beogh is literally 14 year old fedora atheist tier
13:41:19 <hellmonk> and should be removed regardless
13:41:37 <hellmonk> what if Jesus.... was evil!!!!!
13:41:40 <hellmonk> really makes u think
13:42:16 <|amethyst> I also see no reason for Beogh to be evil
13:42:38 <Doesnty> i think it was originally evil so as to not be a free conversion from zin/etc.
13:42:44 <Doesnty> before you could convert via priest
13:43:37 <|amethyst> I would imagine it was evil because racism
13:43:39 <minmay> it was probably evil because Orcs Are Evil
13:43:41 <minmay> yeah
13:43:57 <|amethyst> not in that way
13:43:58 <|amethyst> I meant, because Beogh is an explicitly racist god
13:44:03 <Doesnty> well the good gods are blatantly racist too
13:44:16 <minmay> also orc high priests summoning demons is weird if beogh isn't evil
13:44:17 <minmay> but uh
13:44:19 <|amethyst> which is why I think there's no reason for Beogh to be evil
13:44:22 <minmay> orc high priests summoning demons is kinda weird anyway
13:44:49 * geekosaur takes the whole thing as metacommentary on abrahamic religions... which likely means it doesnt belong in crawl
13:45:33 <minmay> probably all 3 of tso, zin, and beogh being commentary on that is a bit much
13:47:12 <minmay> hm, I guess Nemelex summons demons and isn't evil
13:47:24 <Doesnty> so does xom
13:47:40 <minmay> well, xom gets special pleading, he also summons angels
13:47:47 <Doesnty> mhm
13:47:50 <Doesnty> pure chaos is weird
13:48:35 <minmay> ...actually it looks like Xom doesn't summon angels anymore?
13:49:07 <Doesnty> huh
13:49:09 <Doesnty> why was that changed i wonder
13:49:49 <|amethyst> %git 6369efee
13:49:50 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1102-g6369efe: Remove unused Xom greater demon summoning code 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 2 files, 13+ 181-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6369efee3fd3
13:49:55 <|amethyst> !bug 7321
13:49:55 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321
13:50:28 <Doesnty> lol
14:10:30 <amalloy> does anyone remember what to do about the messed-up contrib/sqlite submodule? i can never find my way around submodules, and sqlite keeps insisting it's modified
14:14:28 <|amethyst> cd to the toplevel directory, then   git submodule update
14:20:53 <Doesnty> so a friend of mine found a weird quirk
14:21:02 <Doesnty> ashenzari can't curse holy wrath weapons
14:21:12 <Doesnty> but if you use excruciating wounds to convert it to pain
14:21:15 <Doesnty> ash can curse that
14:21:20 <Doesnty> and it stays cursed
14:21:31 <|amethyst> but it's not holy wrath anymore
14:21:59 <|amethyst> can you curse a non-HW weapon, then convert it to HW with TSO, and it remain cursed?
14:22:01 <Doesnty> yes it is
14:22:13 <Doesnty> i don't know about that but when ex-wounds fades off
14:22:15 <|amethyst> oh, you mean like a blessed foo of pain
14:22:17 <|amethyst> ohh
14:22:17 <Doesnty> you have a cursed holy weapon
14:22:19 <|amethyst> I see
14:22:31 <Doesnty> no i mean like
14:22:33 <|amethyst> sounds like a pain to do
14:22:35 <Doesnty> a regular old holy wrath weapon
14:22:38 <|amethyst> s/do/solve/
14:22:42 <|amethyst> patches welcome!
14:22:52 <|amethyst> (It's probably not *that* much of a pain)
14:22:52 <Doesnty> the special sacred scourge-ish weapons are immune to ex-wounds categorically
14:22:57 <Doesnty> yeah
14:24:34 <Doesnty> i kind of think holy weapons should just be cursable
14:25:37 <|amethyst> is excruciating wounds really the only brand spell left?
14:25:54 <MarvinPA> it is
14:31:26 <|amethyst> hm, no elves cast sleep spells, do they?
14:31:30 <|amethyst> monster elves that is
14:31:52 <Doesnty> nope
14:31:55 <|amethyst> aww
14:32:06 <Doesnty> sleep is just dream sheep, satyrs, and aizul i think?
14:32:12 <|amethyst> I was hoping to be able to put Starálfur lyrics into a quote
14:32:44 <|amethyst> and sheep have a different spell
14:33:25 <Doesnty> well, i meant sleep in the sense of sleep status
14:33:42 <|amethyst> yeah
14:33:55 <|amethyst> (no monsters have EH)
14:34:02 <|amethyst> (FR: fix that)
14:37:25 <Doesnty> Pagan, Believer, Blessed Orc, Priest, Theologian, High Priest, Saint, Theocrat
14:37:38 <Doesnty> trying to figure out better beogh titles
14:37:54 <Doesnty> pagan might be too loaded
14:41:34 <|amethyst> ?
14:41:53 <|amethyst> Apostate, Messenger, Proselytiser, Priest, Missionary, Evangelist, Apostle, Messiah
14:42:26 <Doesnty> apostate is better actually
14:42:36 <|amethyst> that's the current list
14:42:40 <Doesnty> yeah
14:42:47 <Doesnty> i started from scratch
14:42:51 <|amethyst> ah
15:09:02 <minmay> |amethyst: are you really suggesting that DCSS should have dream elves
15:10:08 <|amethyst> minmay: Samt vantar eitthvað eins og alla veggina
15:15:43 <Lasty> gammafunk: ack, thanks for fixing that Zephyr bug
15:15:50 <gammafunk> np
15:30:46 <gammafunk> !lg * newtomb tomb
15:30:47 <Sequell> 2. Ranzir the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari), blasted by a greater mummy (divine providence) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2; tomb_2_ambush_old) on 2017-04-15 18:42:05, with 711304 points after 69989 turns and 7:45:29.
15:30:58 <gammafunk> first kill (one before was just a tomb:1 death)
15:31:03 <gammafunk> !lg * newtomb tomb x=src
15:31:04 <Sequell> 2. [src=cbro] Ranzir the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari), blasted by a greater mummy (divine providence) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2; tomb_2_ambush_old) on 2017-04-15 18:42:05, with 711304 points after 69989 turns and 7:45:29.
16:31:00 <Yermak> Here is a problem: WJC's whirlwind and jump provide too much message spam when used with multiple enemies around, especially so when using fast weapon. How could this spam be reduced?
16:31:48 <Yermak> Introduce option which, when enabled, doesn't show hit/miss messages while whirlwinding and jumping?
16:33:16 <MarvinPA> if you want to mute specific messages that is a thing that exists, there's no reason that would be a separate option
16:33:57 <Yermak> Well, I'd still like to be able to receive hit/miss messages with normal attacks.
16:56:24 <gammafunk> elliptic: guess qw needs a new tomb plan: !lg someone4956 newtomb tomb
16:56:46 <gammafunk> it apparently did fine on tomb:2
16:57:15 <gammafunk> I'm not sure if someone was manually piloting it for some of that though
17:13:34 <elliptic> gammafunk: does that mean that the tomb shafts thing is in?
17:13:39 <gammafunk> yeah
17:13:54 <gammafunk> %git :/fixed
17:13:54 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.20-a0-1011-ga69911a: Turn stairs in Tomb into fixed-destination escape hatches (Twitch chat) 10(13 days ago, 2 files, 168+ 122-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a69911aa2516
17:13:59 <gammafunk> the relevant commit
17:14:46 <elliptic> probably I won't bother to fix qw's logic until the next tourney
17:15:09 <elliptic> since qw already got its allrune win, doesn't need to get another one until tourney
17:15:39 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund
17:15:54 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/515 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/515
17:15:54 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/515 * 0.20-a0-1017-gffb6144: New set of hopefully more neutral titles for Beogh 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ffb61443c277
17:16:03 <gammafunk> !lg * qw won urune=15
17:16:04 <Sequell> No keyword 'qw'
17:16:06 <gammafunk> er
17:16:09 <gammafunk> !lg qw won urune=15
17:16:10 <Sequell> 1. qw the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2017-04-05 11:20:44, with 15097715 points after 105296 turns and 2:35:19.
17:16:14 <gammafunk> oh cool
17:16:29 <gammafunk> !lg qw won urune=15 -log
17:16:30 <Sequell> 1. qw, XL27 GrFi, T:105296: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/qw/morgue-qw-20170405-112044.txt
17:16:37 <elliptic> !nick bot someone4956
17:16:38 <Sequell> Mapping bot => autorobin xw auto7hm rw qw ow qwrobin gw notqw jw parabodrick hyperqwbe cashybrid tstbtto parabolic oppbolic ew rushxxi gaubot cojitobot paulcdejean otabotab nakatomy testingqw beemell beem drasked phybot medicine dracbot whoyougonnacall khrogbot jwbot lovelain autocrawlbot swippen cotteux someone4956
17:16:48 <gammafunk> +6 broad axe of chopping xD
17:16:54 <Doesnty> ok so i should probably get to work on making the spell library sortable
17:17:12 <elliptic> gammafunk: it used +9 holy broad axe for extended
17:17:25 <elliptic> and just switched back for zot
17:17:34 <gammafunk> that would make sense, but I'm sort of surprised it didn't want a better broad axe for elsewhere
17:18:01 <gammafunk> I guess there's only so much enchant weapon and only so many oka gifts
17:18:10 <gammafunk> assuming it converted
17:18:16 <elliptic> only so many oka gifts before it converted to TSO, yes
17:18:22 <elliptic> it looks like it never found vamp
17:18:49 <gammafunk> qw ego selection AI: vamp vs not-vamp
17:19:18 <gammafunk> ...26 unarmed combat
17:19:36 <elliptic> I actually made its weapon selection much fancier for extended, it carries around the best non-artifact axe it has to brand with holy
17:19:54 <elliptic> and it doesn't like vamp particularly for extended
17:20:11 <elliptic> it ran out of useful skills to train
17:20:21 <gammafunk> wow, the evocations hate is real
17:20:46 <elliptic> qw is wise
17:36:38 <Cheibriados> Trying to jump off excluded wall causes warning. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11014 by Yermak
17:49:34 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
18:15:46 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-1016-g241539b (34)
18:56:56 <rumflump> !rng a-f
18:56:57 <Sequell> The RNG chooses: a-f.
19:11:27 <Yermak> Lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'shoals_end_hangedman': ...aster/crawl-git-2ec8a9529e/data/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:583: Failed to place map 'shoals_ilsuiw_ice'
19:35:32 <Cheibriados> Lua error: Failed to place map 'shoals_ilsuiw_ice' 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11015 by Yermak
19:43:07 <rumflump> hellmonk: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/513
19:43:30 <hellmonk> yeah I found it
19:44:01 <hellmonk> think I will wait until the final call on eliminating the breakpoint at 43% success (I favor removing it fwiw)
20:18:42 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-1017-gc3250ce: Fix holy wrath weapons being cursable when temp-branded (Doesnty) 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3250cedb15a
20:44:27 <cut1less> I have a small patch for console/ASCII. Allows the magic mapping color option from "feature" to actually do something.
20:44:40 <cut1less> !bug 11009
20:44:40 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11009
20:58:03 <rumflump> wow, even tested it yourself too :o
21:05:29 <gammafunk> most people who submit patches have tested them
21:06:55 <Floodkiller> you're supposed to test patches?!
21:07:05 <gammafunk> nop, just ask the dev team if it compiles
21:07:20 <Floodkiller> ok phew
22:28:00 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/516 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/516
22:28:00 <Cheibriados> 03Jomel Imperio02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/516 * 0.20-a0-1018-g9cf9c68: Fix Dvorak keyboard binding 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cf9c6832e6e
22:50:42 <ZiBuDo> yo, i renewed the ssl certs for crawl.jorgrun.rocks and it works for the regular http port when you visit crawl.jorgrun.rocks, but not for port 8081 any ideas why not?
22:54:50 <gammafunk> hrm
22:55:17 <gammafunk> right now I can't connect at all
22:55:46 <gammafunk> ok, I see
22:56:26 <gammafunk> ZiBuDo: cert is expired?
22:56:33 <gammafunk> Issued On	Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 7:00:00 PM
22:56:35 <gammafunk> Expires On	Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 6:59:59 PM
22:56:42 <ZiBuDo> gammafunk: nah i renewed another one
22:56:48 <gammafunk> ZiBuDo: well that one is expired
22:56:52 <ZiBuDo> t.t
22:56:57 <gammafunk> so it seems like you're serving an old one
22:56:59 <ZiBuDo> go through all the trouble of activating it
22:57:03 <ZiBuDo> hmm
22:57:26 <ZiBuDo> ill just reactivate when i get time tonight
22:57:32 <gammafunk> k
22:57:37 <ZiBuDo> if that doesnt work ill let you know
22:57:47 <gammafunk> ZiBuDo: btw if you want to see this yourself, you should be able
22:57:55 <gammafunk> did your browser just not report an SSL error?
22:58:19 <gammafunk> in chrome you get an SSL warning with the error type NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
22:58:26 <gammafunk> then developer tools shows you more info
22:58:40 <gammafunk> I imagine firefox has a similar way to get the error
22:59:04 <gammafunk> but you should be able to see SSL-related client problems in your own browser
23:00:23 <ZiBuDo> crawl.jorgrun.rocks?
23:00:29 <ZiBuDo> or :8081
23:00:48 <ZiBuDo> cuz the first one i am not getting it atm
23:06:34 <gammafunk> ZiBuDo: first one takes me to your usual web page (with the music)
23:06:49 <gammafunk> second one gives me the ssl error
23:07:22 <gammafunk> I should note that this is https
23:07:36 <gammafunk> which I guess is what you want
23:07:43 <gammafunk> since http seems to just redirect me
23:08:27 <minmay> hey devs urgent issue
23:08:36 <minmay> you need to remove at least one bolt spell as soon as possible
23:08:56 <minmay> venom bolt, bolt of cold, bolt of draining, bolt of fire, bolt of iron, thunderbolt, whatever, but you gotta do it
23:09:39 <gammafunk> I know why you're saying that
23:09:53 <gammafunk> and instead we're going to add three new kinds of plate armor
23:10:06 <gammafunk> so that poster will be validated you'll be gnashing your teeth again
23:10:20 <hellmonk> just remove poison magic already
23:10:28 <CanOfWorms> I wouldn't mind removing one of cold and fire
23:10:31 <gammafunk> we just reformed VM hellmonk
23:10:47 <gammafunk> you're trying to steal our dedicated VM players
23:10:57 <hellmonk> vm has been removed from hellcrawl a long time ago
23:11:01 <gammafunk> exactly
23:11:13 <gammafunk> once VM is gone in dcss, you think they'll come over to hellcraw
23:11:14 <gammafunk> l
23:11:17 <gammafunk> nice try, buddy
23:11:23 <hellmonk> bolt of magma is also a good choice for removal
23:11:47 <hellmonk> definitely don't need both bom and bof
23:11:57 <gammafunk> balance dictates that if we removed VM we'd have to add a new background
23:12:02 <gammafunk> I vote for dragooons
23:12:02 <hellmonk> also bom kind of sucks, though I guess you could buff it in some fashion
23:12:07 <CanOfWorms> clearly remove bof
23:12:10 <minmay> add staff monk
23:12:15 <minmay> its like regular monk but it has a staff
23:12:33 <hellmonk> monk with 0 in all skills but starts with a quarterstaff would be better than current monk
23:12:56 <minmay> hellmonk: do you actually want to have a reason to cast bom though, spells with discordant schools are annoying
23:13:06 <hellmonk> I mean, I guess not?
23:13:48 <hellmonk> I never really thought of weird school spells as annoying personally
23:14:35 <hellmonk> though I suppose that the current spell school system doesn't make it interesting terribly often
23:14:43 <CanOfWorms> clearly we need a tloc/hexes/fire spell
23:14:58 <hellmonk> well ideally conjurations would not exist as a spell school
23:15:14 <CanOfWorms> new inner flame: mr checked monster is blinked and then explodes immediately
23:15:16 <hellmonk> and then a lot of the boring dual school shit is resolved
23:15:27 <hellmonk> just make inner flame not check mr, thanks in advance
23:15:54 <minmay> the thing is fire/earth are both pretty much entirely about doing direct damage
23:16:13 <hellmonk> yes, I agree that the current situation wrt elemental schools leaves a lot to be desired
23:16:15 <minmay> (and lrd in tomb and shatterninja comes into play in extended i guess)
23:16:44 <minmay> so why would i train both for bolt of magma when i can just train one and have way better spellpower for *every other damage spell in my spell list*
23:17:14 <hellmonk> bom as earth/fire struck me as a semi-interesting idea for hellcrawl in the longish term, ideally when that problem would be resolved
23:17:23 <minmay> ergo, unless you roleplay a deep elf elementalist like my last game, you end up with bom with lame spell power
23:17:42 <gammafunk> staff of earth ehancer
23:17:44 <gammafunk> works every time
23:17:51 <gammafunk> rng only gives me those anyhow
23:18:12 <minmay> if there were a ton of earth/fire spells like there are a ton of conjuration/[every elemental school] spells then perhaps it would work better
23:18:33 <minmay> !log . won
23:18:34 <hellmonk> yeah, or if earth and fire were more distinct as schools
23:18:35 <Sequell> 209. minmay, XL27 DEWz, T:85965: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/minmay/morgue-minmay-20170412-032559.txt
23:18:44 <hellmonk> ie one of them was not "does damage"
23:19:05 <minmay> i imagine this is what people who train both earth and fire for bolt of magma would end up with, if they could win crawl, but because they're the kind of people who train both earth and fire for bolt of magma, they don't win
23:19:25 <hellmonk> I don't think I've ever cast bom
23:19:45 <hellmonk> though I have run some bad memetacular vehumet builds that went for bof and iron shot
23:19:46 <minmay> it was sort of decent back when vehumet made it cast 4 mp
23:19:49 <hellmonk> back in the day
23:19:54 <CanOfWorms> I've done it as a EE
23:20:01 <minmay> since it made a reasonable imb replacement
23:20:21 <hellmonk> what was the deal with vehumet losing the mp reduction passive btw
23:20:22 <CanOfWorms> although I was also qaz, so there was feelbads antisynergy with freezing clouds
23:20:27 <hellmonk> I remember that from way back
23:20:40 <minmay> but if you're an FE then there's not really a reason to learn it because you could just cast fireball instead
23:20:49 <minmay> and if you're an EE there's definitely not a reason to learn it because you could just cast LRD instead
23:21:19 <gammafunk> lrd isn't as convenient as a bolt spell
23:21:20 <minmay> so that pretty much leaves "chars that took vehumet without a decent starting book, for some reason"
23:21:51 <hellmonk> vehumet on a weapon start, the ultimate meme
23:22:00 <gammafunk> probably a big proportion of people casting it just want to have a bolt spell the penetrates, have no other option, maybe that have staff of earth (or conversely fire)
23:22:05 <minmay> hey vehumet on reaver was ok
23:22:22 <hellmonk> you know, now that I think about it new monk might have a reason to take veh if they could find it on D:1
23:22:38 <hellmonk> because they're so fucking bad that zero power flame tongue might actually be worth it
23:22:39 <minmay> I remember when bom was in the book of flames and people still wouldn't cast it
23:22:48 <gammafunk> such a large portion of crawl spells boild down to convenience anyhow
23:22:59 <hellmonk> R E M O V E S P E L L S
23:23:47 <minmay> hellmonk: vehumet offers you knowledge of sting
23:24:02 <hellmonk> notlikethis.jpg
23:24:26 <hellmonk> oh, I guess that you could get sandblast and not find stones too
23:25:41 <Doesnty> wait, iron shot is bad on FE now?
23:26:13 <minmay> learning iron shot on FE has always been pretty questionable yeah, unless you're like fofe
23:26:23 <Doesnty> also uhh
23:26:30 <Doesnty> i am that guy who trains earth for bolt of magma lol
23:26:35 <Doesnty> since it gets iron shot going sooner
23:26:41 <gammafunk> it's not bad in any sense "oh my god you're going to lose"
23:26:48 <gammafunk> iron shot is pretty convenient
23:27:00 <gammafunk> and yeah I've learned it on FE and probably will do so again
23:27:00 <hellmonk> fwiw usually I do the other meme thing of going for iood and/or firestorm
23:27:16 <Doesnty> i really like iron shot+fireball since it kills
23:27:18 <hellmonk> and I will prob go iron shot + bof again as well
23:27:19 <minmay> *breaks down door* OPTIMAL PLAY POLICE. TO THE GULAG WITH YOU
23:27:20 <Doesnty> basically everything i think?
23:27:31 <Doesnty> i know i could just use a weapon but i am lazy
23:27:56 <Doesnty> everything in 3-rune anyway
23:27:57 <gammafunk> oh I still use a weapon, since it's annoying to not have one
23:28:01 <Doesnty> i know those stupid tomb birds are annoying
23:28:15 <hellmonk> list of non-annoying things in tomb:
23:28:23 <Doesnty> lol
23:28:35 <Doesnty> they are especially annoying if your only way to kill them is iron shot or firestorm
23:31:32 <gammafunk> tbf there are no non-annoying parts of extended
23:31:43 <gammafunk> I don't really find tomb to be especially bad
23:32:10 <gammafunk> bennu don't really do a lot other than try to damage undead/lich people, which I guess is annoying
23:32:15 <gammafunk> mostly it's annoying that they revive
23:32:30 <hellmonk> iirc the death explosion makes quite a bit of noise
23:33:09 <gammafunk> Gotta use silence in tomb.
23:33:23 <hellmonk> the memiest strategy of all
23:36:18 <nikheizen> meme strategy for a meme branch
23:36:56 <nikheizen> wasn't there a meme change to tomb recently?
23:37:55 <gammafunk> yep
23:37:59 <gammafunk> %git :/fixed
23:38:00 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.20-a0-1011-ga69911a: Turn stairs in Tomb into fixed-destination escape hatches (Twitch chat) 10(13 days ago, 2 files, 168+ 122-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a69911aa2516
23:38:10 <gammafunk> nothing meme about it
23:38:13 <nikheizen> (Twitch chat)
23:38:17 <gammafunk> it killed qw, hence it's successfull
23:39:50 <nikheizen> very memetic, good job gammafunk