00:17:51 <ProzacElf> hellmonk: you're calling the classic --mo^veh games a meme?
00:18:05 <hellmonk> I have literally played demo^veh
00:18:10 <hellmonk> that doesn't make it not a meme
00:18:10 <ProzacElf> mmmm
00:18:12 <ProzacElf> lol
00:18:25 <hellmonk> I have played namo^chei too, that is also a meme combo
00:19:21 <hellmonk> although I guess it's less memey to go veh on a non-book start than to go sif on a non-book start
00:24:52 <CanOfWorms> veh is basically bootleg mahkleb if you find some "spirit
00:26:03 <hellmonk> veh gives you lesser servant if you find "spirit???
00:28:16 <minmay> !lm . uniq=agnes x=mhp,mmp
00:28:18 <Sequell> 236. [2017-04-12 00:24:23] [mhp=57;mmp=65] minmay the Sorcerer (L15 DEWz of Vehumet) killed Agnes on turn 31682. (D:15)
00:28:25 <minmay> moon troll leather for life
00:31:25 <CanOfWorms> hellmonk: fulminant prism
00:31:37 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb (34)
00:31:51 <CanOfWorms> orb of destruction/spellforged servitor is greater servant
00:31:57 <hellmonk> lol
00:33:51 <gammafunk> and he made fun of my wizlab
00:33:56 <gammafunk> said the moon base gave crap loot
00:34:23 * gammafunk unsheaths his DUNGEONMASTER katana
00:40:47 <ontoclasm> whoa
00:43:58 <hellmonk> *unzips triplesword*
00:50:26 <minmay> i know a girl who has a "wizard staff" with electronic glowing runes on it
00:50:36 <minmay> its the most weeaboo thing ever and yet, i want one
01:06:54 <ontoclasm> such is the allure of eldritch power
01:20:36 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb (34)
01:37:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
01:52:46 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1001-gccca8bd: Implement escape hatches with fixed destinations 10(9 days ago, 5 files, 116+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccca8bdc01c5
01:52:46 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1002-g6d56219: Turn stairs in Tomb into escape hatches with fixed destinations 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 171+ 124-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d56219f1a04
01:52:46 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1003-gb16d828: Save compatability for the change of stone stairs into hatches in Tomb 10(9 days ago, 5 files, 223+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b16d8288b0ab
01:53:07 <gammafunk> ooh, I almost forgot
01:54:33 <amalloy> !tell |amethyst remembered this evening to paste my elisp/bash functions for converting from foo(bar*) to foo(bar&): https://gist.github.com/amalloy/645cd1acdb1fccabe61bb18fdc7fb803
01:54:34 <Sequell> amalloy: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
01:55:01 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1002-g5026f15: Turn stairs in Tomb into fixed-destination escape hatches (Twitch chat) 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 171+ 124-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5026f15d90eb
01:55:01 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1003-g43e71d4: Save compatability for the change of stone stairs into hatches in Tomb 10(9 days ago, 5 files, 223+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/43e71d415794
01:57:59 <gammafunk> !tell MarvinPA I've forced-pushed a new tombhatch branch. The changes are the added doors in Tomb:3, using hatches into the Tomb:1 hall, and your suggestion for escape near the Tomb:2 ambush. Details in 5026f15.
01:57:59 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let marvinpa know.
01:58:24 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb
01:58:47 <gammafunk> !tell MarvinPA I've play-tested this some and will probably do a bit more, but otherwise let me know if you see any problems, and if not I'll merge soon.
01:58:47 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let marvinpa know.
02:17:57 <gammafunk> !tell MarvinPA One final !tell spam and I'm done; I'm not sure, but it might be nice to give these hatches a custom feature name and db description to emphasize their different behaviour, but maybe it's clear enough when you use them.
02:17:58 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let marvinpa know.
02:25:12 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1004-gde8de4a: Clean up some Tomb vault errors 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de8de4abbd3b
02:55:10 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb
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03:24:37 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb (34)
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09:06:03 <|amethyst> minmay:  I just noticed that 2**18 is an even closer approximation to the first coefficient than your 3.8e-6 is
09:06:03 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:06:12 <|amethyst> minmay:  so that sounds like a nice scaling factor
09:08:03 <advil> |amethyst: I guess (or at least, I have observed) that we have a sort-of convention that even branches in crawl/crawl are owned by whoever makes them, but if you want, feel free to push to it
09:08:17 <advil> the horner's algorithm version sounds great to me
09:10:14 <|amethyst> advil:  generally that sounds good, though generally I would only push bugfixes, formatting fixes, etc
09:11:09 <|amethyst> and even then I would probably check with the branch creator, since they might be making the same fixes in slightly different ways, and then you get conflicts
09:11:17 <advil> yeah, makes sense
09:13:11 <advil> but for this one, feel free (though I will get to it sooner or later if no one else does)
09:13:23 <advil> also, do you know when feature freeze would normally be?
09:18:18 <alexjurkiewicz> about a month before release, based on the last few versions
09:18:32 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * current 1
09:18:37 <Sequell> 1/671388. jermman the Cudgeler (L3 DsMo), slain by a gnoll (a +0 club) on D:2 on 2016-10-27 02:19:38, with 53 points after 1541 turns and 0:02:34.
09:18:58 <alexjurkiewicz> about now I guess, if you want to keep ~6 months cycle :D
09:19:42 <geekosaur> not that a 6 month cycle has been happening of late
09:23:04 <|amethyst> advil:  normally would have been in march
09:23:09 <advil> !lg * 0.18 1
09:23:13 <Sequell> 1/307630. zlionsfan the Ruffian (L9 CeTm of Sif Muna), slain by a troll (kmap: erik_lair_island) on D:9 on 2016-05-05 02:13:45, with 2700 points after 8607 turns and 0:32:56.
09:23:24 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.16 1
09:23:25 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.14 1
09:23:27 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.12 1
09:23:27 <Sequell> 1/285183. qwqw the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), got out of the dungeon alive on 2015-03-12 04:53:58, with 0 points after 1 turn and 0:00:05.
09:23:29 <Sequell> 1/142747. dialectric the Ducker (L2 DsWn), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2014-04-09 16:37:41, with 57 points after 707 turns and 0:01:28.
09:23:31 <Sequell> 1/112843. silentsnack the Ruinous (L5 OpWz), slain by a hobgoblin (a -1,+0 orcish club) on D:3 on 2013-05-02 02:28:58, with 316 points after 2240 turns and 0:06:33.
09:23:43 <|amethyst> I guess there's no "normal"
09:24:00 <advil> heh
09:24:03 <advil> it was once in march
09:24:05 <rumflump> is the mutation stuff done-ish?
09:24:11 <|amethyst> but now would be good... I think we've had a lot of significant changes recent that probably need balance
09:24:25 <|amethyst> so it would need to be a long-ish freeze
09:24:30 <advil> rumflump: well, it's merged, and I've fixed the only bug that's shown up
09:24:35 <|amethyst> before 0.20 is branched
09:24:56 <rumflump> cool. I'm in the middle of cherrypicking it, cuz it looked done, but wasn't sure
09:25:12 <advil> rumflump: there's probably still save compat issues that could be fixed (in that heavily mutated Ds saves could be subtly messed up) but they won't crash anything
09:26:24 <advil> for example, I wouldn't be shocked if there's DsCK saves out there that could never get their full innate robust set properly, though in ways few players will ever notice
09:26:41 <rumflump> player_mutation_level needs to be changed to you.get_mutation_level in all cases, right?
09:26:46 <advil> yes
09:27:11 <advil> or just get_mutation_level if it's in a player:: function
09:27:34 <advil> now-ish sounds reasonable to me
09:27:51 <advil> though I guess this spell fail thing should go in before if it's going in
09:27:55 <|amethyst> at some point (not 0.20!) all that form-based stuff about which mutations are suppressed and how much should be simplified and/or removed
09:28:08 <advil> yeah, definitely
09:28:20 <|amethyst> because when I did it I was kind of going for "realism"
09:28:25 <|amethyst> so it's overly complicated
09:28:26 <advil> heh
09:28:43 <advil> I think it's probably mutated (..) a fair amount since it was first added too
09:29:21 <|amethyst> not as much as it should have been, at least until your change
09:29:25 <|amethyst> s
09:29:53 <rumflump> forms might be tricky because some mutations are mutations, and some mutations are ... not really mutations :o
09:32:55 <advil> none of the sortof mutations interact with forms that I saw (though I might have missed stuff, mutations do a lot)
09:33:37 <advil> ok, must go, later
09:37:40 <|amethyst> I have to go too, but: swimming and merfolk fishtail
09:37:55 <|amethyst> are examples of pseudo-mutations that have interactions with forms
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10:36:20 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/514 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/514
10:36:20 <Cheibriados> 03yrmvgh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/514 * 0.20-a0-1001-g8ad09e0: update docs for advil's mutation changes 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ad09e03cfcd
10:44:23 <rumflump> forgot skip ci again, yay
10:47:12 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07[tombhatch] * 0.20-a0-1005-g0e63af7: Remove a vault weight used for testing purposes 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e63af71e048
11:13:30 -!- rumflump is now known as travis-ci
11:13:57 <travis-ci> weird. it's totally not registered
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11:28:35 <Cheibriados> God enacts wrath upon the player when "neutral towards you" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11008 by Leszczynek
11:46:44 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest85183
11:56:28 <rumflump> !source change_species_to
11:56:28 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/species.cc#L389
13:26:50 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-1000-g0e8f6bb (34)
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13:39:50 <Pleasingfungus> !learn add pleasingfungus secretly MaRo http://i.imgur.com/zc80rnw.png
13:39:50 <Sequell> pleasingfungus[27/27]: secretly MaRo http://i.imgur.com/zc80rnw.png
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16:58:01 <Cheibriados> 03yrmvgh02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-1001-gc81acce: Update docs for advil's mutation changes (#514) 10(7 seconds ago, 2 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c81acce838c5
17:02:53 <gammafunk> wow, disagree with the way that commit title is formatted
17:03:18 <gammafunk> although I'm not sure about crediting PR# in the commit title
17:07:00 <gammafunk> I think adding that is just adding uneccessary info that gets awkward, when github already tracks PRs
17:07:17 <gammafunk> unlike mantis where we'd have no way to cross-reference the bug without the bug number in the title
17:09:31 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1001-gc81acce (34)
17:12:52 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-1002-gec782ac: Remove "imported" from lajatang description 10(31 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec782ace8ac5
17:12:52 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-1003-gc3e0a5c: ring of Shaolin -> ring of Avoidance 10(31 hours ago, 14 files, 5+ 58-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3e0a5ca6ddc
17:12:52 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-1004-g76effe1: bow of Krishna "Sharnga" -> longbow "The First Bow" 10(31 hours ago, 9 files, 8+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76effe11021b
17:12:52 <Cheibriados> 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-1005-g0f2fb03: Update Agnes's description (MarvinPA) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f2fb03a5b8c
17:13:07 <gammafunk> dammit
17:13:11 <gammafunk> I was just about to comment about that
17:13:25 <gammafunk> that bow commit is bad imo
17:14:19 <gammafunk> I'm actually going to revert just that one
17:14:24 <gammafunk> so we can have some discussion about it
17:16:57 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-1006-ge6c5631: Revert "bow of Krishna "Sharnga" -> longbow "The First Bow"" 10(2 minutes ago, 9 files, 25+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e6c5631b3d2a
17:18:18 <gammafunk> I'm not really sure that "literally, the first bow" is a very good theme, and it might be better to go with something about "a mysterious, ancient bow", but either way it should probably have some tie-in to the speed ego
17:33:26 <Brannock> gammafunk, github automatically adds the PR# to the title when squashing, I should have fixed that
17:33:31 <gammafunk> ah
17:33:36 <gammafunk> hrm
17:33:43 <Brannock> also agreed about first bow lore
17:34:06 <gammafunk> yeah, I didn't have any specifically good idea, but I'll try to come up with something in a few days if no one else does
17:34:30 <gammafunk> MPA mentioned that maybe keeping Krishna is an option, but not sure what people feel about that
17:34:38 <gammafunk> I don't know what it's referencing specifically
17:34:51 <Brannock> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharanga
17:35:34 <Brannock> This page is strangely poorly formatted
17:36:59 <gammafunk> For the district in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, Russia, see Sharangsky District.
17:39:04 <minmay> The best part about sharnga is that it didn't even belong to Krishna for long
17:39:31 <gammafunk> that's perfect then
17:39:40 <gammafunk> same way we got the axe of Trog
17:40:41 <minmay> I unironically thing "Speedbow" would be a nice meme
17:41:23 <gammafunk> I bet you also own an "oceanman" t-shirt, just like hellmonk
17:44:24 <Brannock> I thought the idea of an artefact that never deteriorates or decays, stays the same as the day it was created, was interesting, but really that's true of all equipment in Crawl
17:44:47 <Brannock> longbow "The Golden Arch", turns anything you shoot into hamburger
17:45:16 <gammafunk> AMERICENTRISM
17:46:52 <gammafunk> Brannock: and actually, yeah, what you described is perhaps a little better than the original, I think my main grip was how awkward the description was ("this person invented a bow and called it 'the first bow'") and how it didn't reference the special property of the bow at all (speed ego)
17:47:12 <Brannock> think of all the gold saved on not having to buy replacement strings
17:47:47 <gammafunk> so something about "inventing a bow so powerful and strong that..." could be fine, dunno
17:48:25 <Brannock> Plato's Bow
17:48:33 <gammafunk> At least Krishna has cool theme, so if we're going to change it, would be nice to have something well-themed to replace it
17:48:36 <Brannock> s/Ideal Bow/
17:48:42 <gammafunk> heh
17:49:15 <Brannock> You could do a stealth reference to Krishna
17:49:19 <Brannock> "Bow of the Avatar" or something
17:49:30 <gammafunk> 1/2 bow, smaller, faster, and the reciprocal of a double-bow
17:50:16 <gammafunk> yeah, you could base the lore on something that is similar thematically to sharanga without specifically mentioning that, I guess
17:50:35 <gammafunk> probably want to give it a subtle twist so that it's not simpley "the names have been changed to protect the innocent"
17:50:41 <gammafunk> *simply
17:52:14 <gammafunk> Grunt is still grunt: https://twitter.com/sgrunt_/status/852129972294533120
17:52:33 <gammafunk> !tell nicolae- https://twitter.com/sgrunt_/status/852129972294533120
17:52:33 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let nicolae- know.
17:52:50 <Brannock> snark still hasnt' replied about gnolls
17:52:53 <Brannock> I guess I should email him instead
17:52:59 <gammafunk> yeah
17:54:39 <Dracunos> I'm the gnoll expert around here
17:55:12 <gammafunk> You're not even a gnoll sergeant
17:55:34 <Dracunos> I changed lines of code to say MONS_GNOLL, AMA
17:55:54 <minmay> gammafunk: surely I'm the highest ranked member of the channel in that case
17:56:36 <gammafunk> ??minmay[dev
17:56:37 <Sequell> minmay[1/18]: minmay is a girl. minmay's deleted Tavern posts can be found in full at https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/search.php?author_id=62&sr=posts&sf=all&ch=-1 . If you're looking for the Sif Muna dream, search the results for "sister".
17:56:41 <gammafunk> ug
17:56:45 <gammafunk> ??minmay[develop
17:56:46 <Sequell> minmay[4/18]: <Undo> minqmay is very involved in development
18:02:32 <Brannock> gammafunk, there's a few emails listed for snark on the mailmap. I assume the gmail one is the one to use?
18:02:43 <Brannock> sourceforge feels defunct these days
18:03:35 <gammafunk> yeah I was trying to find the one I useed
18:03:39 <gammafunk> probably whichever is listed on github, definitely not SF, yeah
18:03:56 <Brannock> none listed on his github page:
18:04:20 <gammafunk> well it would be in his commits
18:05:31 <gammafunk> one I'm seeing begins with scin and is at gmail.com
18:06:13 <dpeg> gammafunk: that one should be good
18:06:13 <Sequell> dpeg: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them.
18:06:20 <gammafunk> k
18:06:25 <dpeg> at least it's the one I use :)
18:06:40 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-1006-ge6c5631 (34)
18:07:11 <gammafunk> hrm, he does make commits from another email
18:07:41 <gammafunk> probably his work email though, so maybe gmail is better
18:07:44 <Brannock> okay, sending to scin then
18:08:45 <gammafunk> it's not scin@gmail.com , to be clear, just begins with scin
18:09:24 <|amethyst> %git 81b8373c
18:09:24 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-438-g81b8373: Revert "Rename the bow of Krishna to the longbow of Vishnu" 10(2 years, 11 months ago, 8 files, 5+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81b8373c2d6b
18:09:24 <dpeg> it's a scin!
18:09:25 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-1006-ge6c5631 (34)
18:09:35 <|amethyst> most contentious artefact in the history of Crawl
18:09:47 <gammafunk> nice
18:09:51 <gammafunk> I forgot about that one
18:10:12 <dpeg> do we finally get a proper schism out of this?
18:10:14 <gammafunk> classic PF bungling
18:15:58 <gammafunk> I still need a plan for this position marker conflict with transporters
18:16:03 <gammafunk> I might look into Marker Reform
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19:07:12 <Floodkiller> "It's beyond bikeshedding, bikeshedding would be something like a trivial apt tweak or tweak to a damage formula of almost no consequence. This is just the developers trying their best to align themselves with Social Justice principles."
19:12:38 <dpeg> Floodkiller: where from?
19:12:46 <Floodkiller> 4chan
19:12:57 <dpeg> ah, that's a crawl channel I don't read
19:13:11 <dpeg> they would probably love me
19:17:50 <alexjurkiewicz> Floodkiller: ironically, it's quite accurate
19:18:00 <alexjurkiewicz> My PR was trying to align with the principles of social justice
19:18:29 <alexjurkiewicz> just in the literal sense of those words, not the alt-right-conspiracy sense
19:19:43 <Floodkiller> sure, but if you want to take the content of the changes literally, you changed some names and removed some words that, in my opinion, have little to no attachment to players (unlike something like Mountain Dwarves)
19:19:56 <Floodkiller> but the follow on comments are treating it like it's the end of the world
19:20:18 <dpeg> next poll we really need an item for political point of view
19:21:22 <alexjurkiewicz> too bad Brannock invented scarves rather than trucker caps
19:21:26 <dpeg> <3
19:21:38 <alexjurkiewicz> "A red hat. There's something written on it, but you don't understand the glyphs"
19:21:51 <Floodkiller> FR: slot for truck nuts
19:26:50 <gammafunk> it's ok
19:27:16 <gammafunk> I reverted alex's bad SJW commit out of my own conservative principles
19:27:23 <gammafunk> so 4chan has something to be happy about
19:27:58 <Floodkiller> they actually complained about Shaolin -> Avoidance
19:28:03 <dpeg> haha
19:28:09 <dpeg> gammafunk: not good enough :)
19:28:21 <gammafunk> not good enough for whom, dpeg
19:28:30 <dpeg> gammafunk: you're not good enough for 4chan!
19:28:39 <gammafunk> nonsense, they name drop me there
19:29:01 <gammafunk> "I was hanging out with gammafunk the other day and we totally laughed about this..."
19:29:19 <gammafunk> besides, did you know that Basil came to us from 4chan?
19:29:27 <dpeg> \me crosses fingers
19:29:44 <gammafunk> \me ?! what is this german sorcery?!?!
19:31:02 <dpeg> I am writing a latex document right now, the \ is the prefix to invoke commands there.
19:31:12 <alexjurkiewicz> I think shaolin -> avoidance is boring, but sjw really come on
19:31:29 <dpeg> What would Linley say???
19:31:30 <gammafunk> you just said it was sjw!!!! omg devs
19:31:49 <gammafunk> keep this up, demise is going to do an anti-chequers video
19:32:46 <gammafunk> I am curious what linley would say about all the various turf wars we have (gameplay, theme, the whole works)
19:33:11 <gammafunk> as I recall one of the thing he came in the channel to say was a complaint about how we had ruined nemelex
19:33:21 <gammafunk> or at least that's what I recall hearing
19:33:53 <dpeg> gammafunk: I remember differently :)
19:33:56 <gammafunk> I haven't tried his new shmup, but I should do that at some point
19:34:09 <gammafunk> dpeg: well you probably know better than I, but someone did say this at some point
19:34:09 <dpeg> I recall he congratulated us to keeping Crawl alive.
19:34:29 <gammafunk> hey may have joined the channel a couple times
19:34:48 <gammafunk> apparently he logged in as Yred (but the full name)
19:34:48 <dpeg> when/if we (Brendan and I) have this book ready, I'll send him a copy and try to talk a bit about the old days. I have his address :)
19:34:57 <gammafunk> yeah, that would be very cool
19:35:09 <gammafunk> also can you put back in one of my deaths
19:35:12 <gammafunk> you edited me out
19:35:19 <dpeg> gammafunk: your death was not good enough!!!
19:35:23 <dpeg> (which was it?)
19:35:24 <gammafunk> neither was yours!!!!!
19:35:30 <gammafunk> it was the exploding calamari
19:35:42 <gammafunk> old orb guard, deal 4 legendary destruct
19:35:47 <gammafunk> it was old, classic nem
19:35:52 <gammafunk> s/guard/card/
19:35:55 <alexjurkiewicz> didn't linley last appear about eight years ago
19:36:09 <gammafunk> it was a long time ago, not sure fully 8 years though
19:36:37 <gammafunk> !lg * 1 x=cv
19:36:37 <alexjurkiewicz> so if he was mad about nemelex then, there are probably contracts out on your head by now
19:36:37 <Sequell> 1/7056298. [cv=0.1] Eidolos the Magician (L1 OMWz), slain by a gnoll (a flail of protection) on D:1 on 2006-12-02 23:47:10, with 20 points after 15 turns and 0:00:04.
19:36:44 <dpeg> alexjurkiewicz: I don't think we had ##crawl-dev eight years ago
19:37:16 <gammafunk> it was probably at least six years ago
19:37:32 <alexjurkiewicz> what board is the dcss thead on in 4chan
19:37:58 <gammafunk> /vg/
19:38:01 <gammafunk> it's the roguelike thread
19:38:13 <alexjurkiewicz> whats the diff between /v/ and /vg/ anyway
19:38:25 <dpeg> vulgar vs vulgar good?
19:38:36 <gammafunk> aka "actually just the dcss thread you dumb *****s play a real roguelike dcss isn't a roguelike"
19:38:59 <gammafunk> .owned . max=sdam
19:39:00 <Sequell> 10. [tdam=146;mhp=121] gammafunk the Martial Artist (L16 OpTm of Nemelex Xobeh), blew themself up on Snake:3 on 2012-12-20 22:53:49, with 105491 points after 53734 turns and 7:45:39.
19:39:14 <gammafunk> !lg . max=sdam
19:39:15 <Sequell> 3915. gammafunk the Martial Artist (L16 OpTm of Nemelex Xobeh), blew themself up on Snake:3 on 2012-12-20 22:53:49, with 105491 points after 53734 turns and 7:45:39.
19:39:16 <dpeg> 4chan must've been thrilled when some crawl servers had this gamergate logo
19:39:25 <gammafunk> I do recall that coming up
19:39:53 <gammafunk> I check the 4chan thread every so often, but never post there since...no thanks
19:39:54 <alexjurkiewicz> fuck i ruined someone's karate kid fantasy
19:40:03 <alexjurkiewicz> dpeg: they what?
19:40:05 <dpeg> my mental association with 4chan is strictly "juvenile white trash" -- I'd love to know how far I'm off
19:41:33 <dpeg> alexjurkiewicz: I cannot really explain. A bunch of people were really angry about Anita Sarkeesian and video game journalism, and it spiralled into death threats, and then some people (on the "SJW side") put some anti-Gamergate sticker on their pages.
19:42:11 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: i'm glad it's your fault not mine
19:42:22 <alexjurkiewicz> dpeg: which servers did that?
19:42:50 <dpeg> I don't even know. Some devs were reluctant, IIRC.
19:43:16 <dpeg> I don't play video games and have absolutely nothing to do with any of this, but the amount of stupidity was astounding.
19:43:27 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/64vdt4/misc_help_with_getting_beem_working/?st=j1fmg9oj&sh=2038fbfa
19:45:26 <gammafunk> dpeg: well "white trash" is seen as a slur, so you'd probably not want to go with that description
19:45:28 <alexjurkiewicz> dpeg: finally you admit you never even play the game you attempt to direct, sjw cuck
19:45:41 <dpeg> alexjurkiewicz: why should I?
19:46:09 <dpeg> gammafunk: I know. That's the depiction of 4chan in German mainstream media, too, btw. It can't be literally true, I am aware of that.
19:46:27 <gammafunk> however certainly it's a lot of young gamer trolls who are happy to throw out any amount of vitriol they can
19:46:29 <dpeg> otoh, you'd think that someone anti-SJW is okay with slurs :)
19:46:39 <gammafunk> why would you think that?
19:46:58 <dpeg> balance, symmetry, beauty of the universe
19:46:58 <gammafunk> haha
19:47:10 <gammafunk> like a lot of those totally unregulated websites, 4chan has a bunch of communities with varying levels of hostility
19:47:47 <gammafunk> I would say that it's a lot like SA, just with even higher levels of hostility
19:48:17 <gammafunk> but I'm basing that mostly from what I've seen in that one thread in that one board
19:48:18 <dpeg> Mark Johnson (URR dev) once told me about "City of Darkness", that was a totally unregulary building complex in Hong Kong (Kowloon Walled City)
19:48:35 <dpeg> *unregulated
19:49:01 <dpeg> ...makes you realise anarchy cannot work if systems get sufficiently big
19:49:48 <gammafunk> try telling an anarchist that! I'm sure you have some of those in Germany as well
19:50:29 <dpeg> sure, but imo "anarchy" has lost any meaning, like so many other terms in long use
19:55:27 <minmay> spook
21:06:10 <advil> do I even want to know wtf _get_true_fail_rate is doing
21:06:11 <Sequell> advil: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them.
21:09:04 <minmay> advil: converting Crawl's fail number to a percentage chance
21:09:13 <advil> thanks
21:12:05 <minmay> advil: if this is about de-breakpointing the spell success formula, you don't need to mess with get_true_fail_rate at all
21:12:10 <alexjurkiewicz> so it's really _get_human_readable_fail_rate
21:12:17 <advil> well, yeah, I know that
21:12:34 <advil> but I was trying to figure out what assumptions this function is making
21:12:44 <advil> like, should it be allowed to output a negative number? who knows
21:13:14 <advil> (probably not)
21:18:07 <advil> minmay: how exactly did you change the stepdown calculation in your version?
21:22:52 <minmay> advil: for spell success only, I used stepdown_value(power, 5000, 5000, 15000, 20000) instead of stepdown_value(power / 100, 50, 50, 150, 200); that's a really lazy approach and it should be replaced with a smooth stepdown instead
21:23:16 <rumflump> dcss invades nethack by way of a fourk: https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/bleeding-edge/doc/changelog-fourk.txt#L1117
21:23:57 <rumflump> did cleaving originally show up in another roguelike before dcss?
21:24:03 <advil> minmay: ok, yeah, that's the obvious thing to try
21:24:13 <minmay> advil: and then only 1/100 of that gets subtracted from the chance, which I had changed to a double - but you can accomplish all of this by just using larger integers too
21:25:13 <advil> also, apparently stepdown_value is deprecated, or so I read
21:26:20 <minmay> It's deprecated and also still used literally everywhere
21:26:37 <advil> yes
21:34:44 <gammafunk> 7 messages advil
21:34:46 <gammafunk> I'm impressed
21:36:32 <advil> heh
21:36:37 <advil> I forgot to clear a bunch
21:46:56 <alexjurkiewicz> rumflump: with the irritating old style cleaving
21:49:37 <alexjurkiewicz> actually, not completely. it doesn't stop the arc if there's an obstruction partway along it
22:32:34 <advil> so am I understanding the history right in that new stepdown is intentionally different from stepdown_value, in that it is smooth?
22:36:13 <advil> %git 81dbb70c507a
22:36:13 <Cheibriados> 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-1180-g81dbb70: A smooth stepdown function. 10(5 years ago, 2 files, 38+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81dbb70c507a
22:37:35 <elliptic> most stepdowns were smoothed out, yes
22:37:54 <elliptic> you should have a really good reason if you want to use the non-smooth version for anything new
22:38:06 <advil> well, by most it seems that you may mean half at best :-)
22:38:32 <advil> now I'm trying to figure out if I should convert an old one to the smooth version, I think
22:40:32 <minmay> imo change the shopping.cc one because no one would ever complain about that one being changed
23:12:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/513 * 0.20-a0-1001-g0361b65: Convert polynomial to integer, restore some linearity, add comments 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0361b65dbc08
23:12:00 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[remove_chance_breaks] * 0.20-a0-1001-g0361b65: Convert polynomial to integer, restore some linearity, add comments 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0361b65dbc08
23:54:43 -!- Amnesiac_ is now known as Amnesiac
23:55:18 <minmay> !lg * ckiller~~sheep s=ktyp
23:55:19 <Sequell> 1687 games for * (ckiller~~sheep): 1467x mon, 220x beam
23:55:30 <minmay> I think maybe that Xom vault should be changed
23:56:10 <gammafunk> !lg * kmap~~xom ckiller~~sheep s=kmap
23:56:11 <Sequell> 17 games for * (kmap~~xom ckiller~~sheep): 17x dk_xom_monty_hall
23:59:25 <gammafunk> !lg * kmap!= ckiller~~sheep ktype=beam s=kmap
23:59:30 <Sequell> 11 games for * (kmap!= ckiller~~sheep ktype=beam): 3x minmay_lair_entry_grove, 3x grunt_megastairs_2, 3x grunt_livestock, kennysheep_town, hangedman_ranch