00:25:59 -!- daidalos is now known as Guest80836
00:31:32 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f (34)
00:38:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
00:39:31 <gammafunk> ??devteam
00:39:31 <Sequell> devteam[1/27]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam
00:40:48 <gammafunk> !learn set devteam Official list: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/CREDITS.txt | Dev Wiki page: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam
00:40:48 <Sequell> devteam[1/27]: Official list: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/CREDITS.txt | Dev Wiki page: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam
00:52:48 <gammafunk> !armour of the dragon king
00:52:52 <gammafunk> ??armour of the dragon king
00:52:52 <Sequell> armour of the dragon king[1/1]: +9 GDS with MR+.
00:53:21 <gammafunk> !learn mv armour_of_the_dragon_king scales_of_the_dragon_king
00:53:21 <Sequell> armour_of_the_dragon_king -> scales of the dragon king[1/1]: +9 GDS with MR+.
00:53:34 <gammafunk> !learn add armour_of_the_dragon_king see {scales of the dragon king}
00:53:34 <Sequell> armour of the dragon king[1/1]: see {scales of the dragon king}
00:54:04 <gammafunk> ??dragon king
00:54:04 <Sequell> scales of the dragon king[1/1]: +9 GDS with MR+.
01:20:15 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f (34)
01:39:53 <gammafunk> hrm
01:39:57 <gammafunk> I probably can't do this can I
01:40:01 <gammafunk> coord_def dgn_find_nearby_stair(dungeon_feature_type stair_to_find,
01:40:01 <gammafunk> coord_def base_pos, bool find_closest,
01:40:01 <gammafunk> const string &hatch_name = "")
01:40:16 <gammafunk> guess I'd just make it an actual string if I want a default value
01:58:15 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f
02:08:12 <rumflump> subl
02:54:28 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f
03:28:01 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f (34)
05:14:43 <Cheibriados> Screen Flashes when Drain Life is Used by a Creature Outside LoS 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10995 by bcadren
06:17:11 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L13 HOSu)  (Lair:5)
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07:35:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
11:04:04 <advil> !crashlog
11:04:05 <Sequell> 16819. ziggurnaut, XL13 HOSu, T:22394 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ziggurnaut/crash-ziggurnaut-20170402-101711.txt
11:05:41 <advil> ^rc ziggurnaut
11:05:42 <Sequell> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/ziggurnaut.rc
11:23:37 <advil> not sure what's going on there, it's crashing in a lua prompt but I can't immediately replicate
11:23:47 <advil> would it register as a crash if they send a HUP?
11:35:42 <|amethyst> not a HUP, but if it were killed by webtiles
11:37:03 <|amethyst> e.g. "There are some stale crawl process, will recover in 10 seconds"
11:39:28 <|amethyst> advil:  if you look at the "Crash caused by" line in the log, it was SIGTERM
11:39:36 <advil> ahh
11:39:51 <advil> yeah, I saw that but didn't realize that webtiles would do that
11:40:04 <|amethyst> advil:  ah, among other things webtiles sends SIGTERM after 10 s if SIGHUP doesn't work
11:40:11 <|amethyst> 10 s by default
11:40:41 <advil> so maybe just a timeout, or double login, or something
11:40:56 <|amethyst> my guess would be a timeout, given that message log
11:41:08 <advil> which might not normally show us a crashlog, but could here because they were at a lua prompt
11:41:25 <|amethyst> or maybe it went into their lua infinite loop and they closed the window
11:41:44 <advil> that's what I thought first, but I tried out a subset of their code and couldn't get it to loop
11:41:49 <advil> it's in getch
11:43:02 <|amethyst> they may have fixed their bug between crashing and us looking at it :)
11:43:07 <advil> heh
11:43:35 <advil> yeah, possible -- what they were doing is something that could lead to looping for sure
11:43:48 <|amethyst> I mean, it's possible they were just holding down a key
11:44:01 <|amethyst> but the log is just "AUTOQUIT IS NOT ENABLED! Type p" over and over again
11:44:12 <|amethyst> they have a bunch of things that send "SSSSSSSSS" to save
11:44:27 <advil> yeah...I tried that too but not very thoroughly
11:44:47 <|amethyst> anyway, looks like the problem is theirs to debug :)
11:44:56 <|amethyst> whatever they're trying to do :)
11:45:11 <advil> yeah
13:09:32 -!- yesno__ is now known as yesno
13:27:02 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f (34)
15:14:03 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/506 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/506
15:14:03 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/506 * 0.20-a0-948-g7ab3f40: Remove contamination from Haste. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ab3f403e9ea
15:17:38 <elliptic> fwiw I think the original reason for haste to give contam was so that you couldn't use it and invis at the same time, not to try to limit chain-hasting
15:20:44 <Henzell> stevelinton (L15 HOMo)  (D (Sprint))
15:21:15 <|amethyst> !crashlog sprint
15:21:17 <Sequell> No milestones for sprint (crash).
15:21:21 <|amethyst> !crashlog * sprint
15:21:23 <Sequell> 660. stevelinton, XL15 HOMo, T:6736 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/stevelinton/crash-stevelinton-20170402-192043.txt
15:22:47 <|amethyst> javelin of penetration triggered injury mirror, killing the javelineer
15:24:36 <|amethyst> when the javelin reaches its next target, the created ranged_attack has a null actor, which leads to a crash in init_attack
15:24:59 <advil> nice
15:25:34 <|amethyst> hm
15:25:37 <Floodkiller> with Haste being mostly limited to potions (and thus having a realistic limit for the course of the game), I don't see haste+invis as a concern anymore either
15:26:37 <elliptic> probably not
15:26:49 <Floodkiller> I only see Gozag worshippers being able to abuse it, and it's still unreliable to have it occur
15:27:10 <|amethyst> I guess this is happening because the ranged attack fires final effects in handle_phase_end
15:27:18 <elliptic> in general I'm in favor of removing unnecessary contam sources
15:28:23 <|amethyst> though there are other things that can kill the attacker that don't involve final effects, so delaying fineffs wouldn't really solve it
15:31:06 <|amethyst> !bug 9717
15:31:06 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9717
15:33:24 <advil> is the issue sidestepped somehow with regular bolt spells?
15:33:43 <|amethyst> advil:  they don't create ranged_attacks
15:35:54 <|amethyst> and beam.cc is for the most part good about checking for null agents, since beams with null agents are common
15:36:28 <advil> ranged_attack is yet another thing I've never interacted with
15:36:36 <advil> looks more complicated than I would have expected
15:36:38 <|amethyst> and penetrating beams use the same beam each time
15:37:20 <|amethyst> unfortunately I don't think you can quite re-use an attack, and even if you did you'd be pointing at a dead monster, and who knows when it might be cleaned up
15:38:06 <|amethyst> OTOH it would be kind of weird for the penetrating missile to just stop working mid-flight if the attacker dies
15:46:17 <advil> oh I see, it creates a new ranged_attack each time it affects a new monster?
15:48:09 <advil> it does seem intuitively like final effects firing for each individual attack is wrong
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18:15:33 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-947-g2784f4f (34)
21:05:05 <hellmonk> alright, finally getting close to the end of upstairs removal
21:06:00 <hellmonk> alexjurkiewicz: I'm going to aim for Friday 4/7 to push this to cpo if that's okay
21:06:18 <hellmonk> assuming that nobody discovers a major bug at the last minute
21:35:30 <hellmonk> johnstein: same thing, is 4/7 all right for a big hellcrawl update, keeping in mind that savefiles will have to be deleted?
21:56:34 <Lasty> I finally tried Sceptre of Torment on a mummy
21:56:34 <Sequell> Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:56:37 <Lasty> it's surprisingly bad
21:56:39 <johnstein> hellmonk: you are saying I will need to delete all saves?
21:56:47 <hellmonk> yeah
21:56:52 <minmay> yeah it's not really a great weapon
21:57:24 <hellmonk> I kind of broke savecompat to remove upstairs
21:57:29 <Lasty> it took me a little while to realize it wasn't a mace
21:57:36 <johnstein> hellmonk: I will do what I can to have it updated soon after it goes live
21:57:43 <hellmonk> ok, cool
21:57:55 <johnstein> I may just set up an alternative branch and just swap them over
21:58:07 <hellmonk> if that is easier then that's fine too
22:17:29 <minmay> Lasty, well, it used to be a mace, not sure why it's not anymore
22:20:11 <Lasty> It'd be better as a mace, at least from a strength perspective
22:20:22 <Lasty> I definitely assumed it was a mace
22:21:21 <Lasty> It's not clear to me that the weapon makes sense: since it torments, it encourages a lot of swapping and most characters would rather not trigger it at all.
22:30:51 <minmay> the best way to use it is to summon something beforehand and hit the summon as the monsters approach
22:31:07 <minmay> but it's still way worse than just casting agony
22:33:24 <hellmonk> fr: scepter of torment as a +13 pain gmace that occasionally torments you when you get hit (*torm)
22:34:07 <minmay> another option would be to make it a decent weapon and only torment the thing that you hit
22:34:29 <minmay> but since that's just another damage brand it wouldn't be very interesting either
22:35:22 <minmay> imo remove it and replace it with lightning lash
22:35:30 <hellmonk> ??lightning lash
22:35:31 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled lightning_lash in my learndb.
22:35:54 <minmay> hellmonk: a meme before your time
22:35:55 <Lasty> replace w/ triple-wielding
22:36:01 <hellmonk> rip
22:36:20 <minmay> or the sword of scritching
22:36:33 <CanOfWorms> triple wielding: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/one-piece-fan-crew/images/3/3f/82219af9e499524452dd4033f4e60343.png
22:36:53 <hellmonk> the +4 body pillow of Anime
22:37:28 <minmay> CanOfWorms: ugh I can't find the picture where the naked guy is crouching holding like 4 shitty mall katanas
22:38:54 <CanOfWorms> haha
22:39:27 <minmay> but if I could, I would totally link it
22:40:20 <minmay> hellmonk: http://i.imgur.com/oArGngw.jpg
22:40:51 <hellmonk> yea
22:42:04 <minmay> I'm suddenly uncomfortably aware of how many pictures I have of people doing dumb things with swords
22:42:29 <gammafunk> hellmonk: I played linley crawl 1.04f today
22:42:35 <hellmonk> was it fun
22:42:35 <gammafunk> got do D:2
22:42:40 <hellmonk> kool
22:42:44 <gammafunk> and I seemed to end up in a tiny level so
22:42:58 <gammafunk> I'm like, I'll go back up, maybe be a disconnected area of d:2
22:43:10 <gammafunk> since that happened a lot in older dcss
22:43:24 <gammafunk> turns out the stairs disappear behind you when you enter the level
22:43:27 <gammafunk> there's no back-tracking
22:43:52 <hellmonk> linley was truly a man ahead of his time
22:44:01 <gammafunk> not sure when revisitable levels was added to linley crawl
22:44:07 <gammafunk> also there's no skill training
22:44:24 <CanOfWorms> just victory dancing?
22:44:27 <gammafunk> I'm not sure how you decide to wear weapons/armour
22:44:34 <gammafunk> dunno about that
22:44:38 <gammafunk> but I can't select skills to train
22:45:00 <hellmonk> today I went to the grocery store but I forgot to buy potato chips
22:45:06 <hellmonk> so I am potato chipless
22:45:43 <gammafunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/298269997732724737/unknown.png
22:45:51 <gammafunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/298271391483166720/unknown.png
22:46:09 <gammafunk> probably gonna do a short 1.04f game on my 500 follower special
22:46:17 <gammafunk> then play 4.1 and see how far I can get
22:46:35 <gammafunk> mikee really wants to see that, says he can't even make it to lair
22:48:15 <geekosaur> hellmonk, nice to see you;re at the cutting edge of the 1980s
22:48:21 <hellmonk> damn right
22:48:41 <hellmonk> fuckin vintage game mechanics
22:50:54 <gammafunk> do I have to run CWSDPMI.EXE for dos protected mode interface to run hellcrawl?
22:50:55 <geekosaur> does that include savefiles as write(fd, _etext, sbrk(0) - _etext) ?
22:51:04 <gammafunk> I didn't actually try saving
22:51:11 <gammafunk> but geekosaur check out the morgue screen here
22:51:26 <gammafunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/298273692142665728/unknown.png
22:51:43 <hellmonk> fkin lol
22:54:05 <Floodkiller> hypothetically, if a new charms spell were being developed, what design rules should it follow to avoid the issues with previous (and some current) charms spells?
22:59:59 <gammafunk> I think the usual things about "no-brainers" (spells that depend poorly on spellpower and are always useful), and if it is a lower-level spell, not making it beneficial to cast "in every fight"
23:25:32 <gammafunk> hrm, what's the canonical way to check that a level exists/has generated
23:44:02 <alexjurkiewicz> there was no april fools :(
23:44:19 <minmay> the real april fools joke was the friends we made along the way
23:44:24 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: sounds good
23:44:42 <hellmonk> alright
23:44:56 <hellmonk> my body is 1000% ready
23:45:16 <alexjurkiewicz> is this the no backtracking change? remind me to delete all saves when you push
23:45:26 <alexjurkiewicz> if that's required
23:45:31 <hellmonk> yes
23:45:35 <hellmonk> and yes
23:48:19 <alexjurkiewicz> nice changelog
23:48:33 <alexjurkiewicz> rename to helljog
23:50:05 <hellmonk> lol