00:05:00 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/487 * 0.20-a0-907-g8980529: Modify Cyno base XP modifier and MR gain rate. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/898052984541
00:15:20 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/487 * 0.20-a0-908-g96c9018: Change Cyno recommended backgrounds. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96c9018b16e2
01:26:19 <gammafunk> !seen PleasingFungus
01:26:19 <Sequell> I last saw Pleasingfungus at Fri Mar 24 00:14:34 2017 UTC (1d 5h 11m 44s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.0.1/20170316213829]'.
01:26:34 <gammafunk> !tell PleasingFungus https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/61do84/hep_buff/
01:26:34 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
01:31:53 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-920-gb18bc0f (34)
02:20:35 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-920-gb18bc0f (34)
02:59:01 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-920-gb18bc0f
03:30:36 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-920-gb18bc0f (34)
03:53:28 <gammafunk> .gfgk
03:53:29 <Sequell> 155. BugsBunnySan the Ripper (L14 FeBe of Trog), blasted by a wretched star (orb of energy) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2017-03-06 02:52:27, with 49025 points after 24513 turns and 1:40:33.
03:54:34 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-920-gb18bc0f
04:25:10 <minmay> flaming and freezing brand still claim they do "up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents"
04:25:34 <minmay> but it looks like that hasn't been true for quite a while and they only do up to 137.5% as much damage, not 150%
04:44:10 <Cheibriados> Amulet of reflection possible damage bug 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10982 by 1old3
06:38:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
07:01:38 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L13 HOSu)  (Lair:5)
08:17:01 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:38:13 <Rotatell> murtidash (L18 DsCK) ASSERT(rc == 0) in 'mutation.cc' at line 2107 failed. (Abyss:3)
09:28:20 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07* 0.20-a0-921-gdf3d86c: Bring back Sil status light when not using noise bar. 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df3d86c65816
09:31:50 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-922-g6936b3b: De-K&R-ify a brace. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6936b3be7072
09:40:53 <rumflump> Floodkiller: any opinion on calling cyno Gnoll?
09:40:53 <Sequell> rumflump: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
10:09:22 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-922-g6936b3b (34)
10:12:36 <ontoclasm> gnollz
10:19:03 <|amethyst> merge bearkin and cyno, call it "cynosure"
10:21:50 <Floodkiller> rumflump: I've only been avoiding it because I wanted to avoid association with polearms and because Gn is already used on the scoring website for Gnome games
10:25:13 <rumflump> I can't make it jump to #lesson3, but lesson3 and 4 had me thinking about the "what's a cyno?!" reaction a few people have had http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/twenty-years-twenty-lessons-part-1-2016-05-30
10:27:34 <rumflump> I can see people demanding to know why cygnolls aren't awesome with polearms, though gnolls also do uc and maces
10:53:54 <Floodkiller> I'm reading through that article now and it's really good, thanks for linking it
10:59:03 <Floodkiller> also, I'm not actually at odds with changing the aptitudes from a flat 0 for the species to make a namechange to Gnolls work, but it would require a rework of how the skill cost system works
11:01:10 <Floodkiller> the current system uses a table with baked in aptitude/exp cost changes, which works if all aptitudes are 0; if I change an aptitude to +1 or -1, it would use the modified table and come up with a different exp cost for that aptitude than what that aptitude would cost on any other species for that skill level
11:03:33 <Floodkiller> I would have to change it to instead call skill_exp_needed multiple times, as well as have a method to determine what the cyno training aptitude would be at that skill level, to calculate and use the correct exp cost
11:13:10 <rumflump> yeah, it's weird. I'd never want to make a game that works like MtG does, but mark rosewater's design articles are still super good reading
11:30:37 <rumflump> not sure it's a rule that player races have to be extra good at the same things monsters happen to wear/wield
11:34:03 <Floodkiller> I guess it isn't, with Ogres being proof
11:35:00 <Floodkiller> which still leaves the Gn/Gnome situation for scoring and if it is an issue to overwrite (since I don't think Go or Gl really works to abbreviate Gnoll)
11:36:39 <rumflump> abbreviation seems like a super trivial issue. how about "NO" for the auditory similarity to gnoll?
11:41:34 <dpeg> an arbitrary prefix? Forest Gnoll etc.
11:43:07 <Floodkiller> I was about to joke Deep Gnoll, but I remembered demigods
11:43:59 <rumflump> shallow gnoll
11:44:24 <dpeg> Serene Gnoll
11:44:45 <|amethyst> you want to be able to make words
11:45:30 <rumflump> I picked Pu for the table of elements joke, but didn't realize how wordable it was :(
11:45:55 <|amethyst> are you sure you didn't pick it because they stink? :)
11:46:07 <rumflump> heyo!
11:46:24 <|amethyst> (disclaimer: I have no idea whether they stink)
11:46:43 <Lasty> What does radiation smell like?
11:46:54 <|amethyst> "AAAAAH MY NOSE IS BURNING"
11:47:19 <|amethyst> I mean, I guess depending on how much radiation it is
11:47:31 <rumflump> anything science-dangerous should smell like ozone
11:47:43 <Floodkiller> making a good abbreviation for puns is hard
11:48:17 <rumflump> spreadsheets are good for this job
11:49:03 <Floodkiller> isn't there a bot command for generating combo names?
11:49:55 <rumflump> well if gnoll is your second word, you're probably only interested in vowel or vowel-like letters (r, y) in the third character
11:50:45 <rumflump> so *gar *gak *gas *gen *gie *gee *gae *gie
11:50:55 <rumflump> mayybe wr
11:56:46 <Floodkiller> bah, O would probably be the best fit for that, but that's Ogres; Cy and Gn both make better pun combo names...
11:57:39 <rumflump> I think you should name the shed gg
12:04:08 <Floodkiller> at the sacrifice of puns, another question could be what arbitrary adjective could add more flavor/design space for a secondary mechanic (since I'm still struggling on that after two weeks of brainstorming)?
12:06:33 <rumflump> I thought stealing some sort of reduced/accelerated wrath from laceys was a good fit
12:07:01 <rumflump> for a dabbler/youngling/indecisive species
12:09:33 <rumflump> you could track wounded things, but that would require writing a bunch of code, for a species that doesn't seem very dev-popular
12:37:48 -!- alaspoor1 is now known as alaspooryorick
13:12:29 <Yermak> Some time ago it was made that when player targets an empty tile with a spell, game memorizes it and offers the same tile as the first target for the next cast. But here is the problem: say, if player casts prism, his next spell will target the prism, which is inconvenient. Here is my proposal: empty tile is offered as target only if the same spell was used.
13:25:22 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-922-g6936b3b (34)
13:28:44 <Pleasingfungus> @??orc warrior
13:28:44 <Gretell> orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 23-33 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 133 | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
13:28:44 <Sequell> Pleasingfungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:28:51 <Pleasingfungus> ??stone
13:28:51 <Sequell> stone[1/1]: (throwing; 2 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.7 min delay). A small chunk of dense but otherwise unremarkable natural material. It can be thrown or launched with a sling.
13:29:43 <Pleasingfungus> @??orc warrior ; plate armour
13:29:43 <Gretell> orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 24-32 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 132 | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
13:33:01 <Pleasingfungus> !tell gammafunk hep memes!
13:33:02 <Sequell> Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
13:33:57 <gammafunk> HEXOLOGIST
13:33:57 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:34:31 <gammafunk> I did enjoy that the first two comments were people heartilly agreeing
13:34:37 <Pleasingfungus> it's possible that hexer is a bit too strong, but enough people disagree very time it comes up that i'm not too worried about it
13:35:05 <Pleasingfungus> there's probably gonna be a big Hep Reform in a few versions, by some latter-day dev who's always been annoyed at how the god works
13:35:11 <Pleasingfungus> i'm fine with leaving it to them
13:35:36 <gammafunk> the beogh-hep merge...
13:35:55 <gammafunk> that will be the new dcss god meme
13:35:57 <gammafunk> merging gods
13:36:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:38:10 <hellmonk> so when are plutonians hitting trunk
13:38:45 <Pleasingfungus> beoghep
13:41:13 <dpeg> Yermak: for many spells (such as conjurations or hexes), re-targeting the same monster again is good.
13:41:47 <Yermak> I'm talking about targeting same empty tile, not same monster
13:41:48 <gammafunk> when you give them compelling food costs, hellmonk
13:41:50 <dpeg> Pleasingfungus: are there proponents for every one of the three ancestor types?
13:42:01 <dpeg> Yermak: ah, I see. Yes, that's a good point.
13:42:22 <Pleasingfungus> dpeg: i think that hexer is the most popular, but i've definitely seen fans for each of the others
13:42:37 <Pleasingfungus> you can even see em in that very reddit post!
13:43:25 <dpeg> Pleasingfungus: well, one of them *has* to be the most popular :)
13:43:52 <Pleasingfungus> very true!
13:43:58 <Pleasingfungus> sometimes it can be hard to tell, though
13:44:25 <gammafunk> !ancestorpopularity current
13:44:31 <Pleasingfungus> wow
13:44:38 <Pleasingfungus> is that a real command
13:44:45 <dpeg> obvious solution: marketplace -- the more people take Hexer, the better the other become and Hexer pays for it
13:44:51 <gammafunk> would I run a fake command
13:44:58 <dpeg> no, gammafunk wouldn't!
13:45:02 <gammafunk> it's slow since milestones
13:45:13 <Sequell> 3671 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class current): 1754x hexer (47.78%), 993x knight (27.05%), 924x battlemage (25.17%)
13:45:27 <dpeg> !ancestorpopularity won
13:45:31 <hellmonk> h e x e r b o y s
13:45:43 <Pleasingfungus> thiccxers
13:46:53 <gammafunk> !ancestorpopularity current won
13:46:57 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !ancestorpopularity won
13:47:13 <gammafunk> hep ancestors changed at one point
13:47:17 <gammafunk> or at several points
13:48:27 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !ancestorpopularity current won
13:48:38 <Pleasingfungus> ancestors are eternal
13:48:44 <Pleasingfungus> that's why they call em ancestors
13:48:50 <Pleasingfungus> when you youse guys making the next release, anyway?
13:53:00 <Brannock> it's only been four months, but probably when the whole WJC is resolved
13:53:06 <Brannock> well, five
13:53:12 <Brannock> I keep dating to the tournament instead of the beginning of it
13:56:04 <Pleasingfungus> heh
13:56:27 <Pleasingfungus> code freeze would normally be coming down soon, normally... but there's no real rush
13:57:13 <Brannock> I want to get scarves fixed up too before the release
13:57:17 <Brannock> they're not in a great state right now
13:57:23 <Brannock> maybe I'll finish taht this weekend
14:01:51 <Pleasingfungus> whatcha plannin exactly? more egos?
14:02:32 <gammafunk> !ancestorpopularity current won
14:02:42 <Sequell> 129 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class current won): 54x hexer (41.86%), 45x battlemage (34.88%), 30x knight (23.26%)
14:12:17 <MarvinPA> re: wjc i'd probably tend towards leaving it trunk-only for a version
15:02:53 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-923-g548304e: Rework Wu Jian wrath 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 36+ 75-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/548304e6556f
15:12:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
15:55:25 <rumflump> Brannock: fwiw, in yiufcrawl I moved the good egos to scarves (aka invis, I think that's the only one), and the bad egos to cloaks (a single sad pip of rC+)
15:55:42 <rumflump> flavour / tradition: out the window!
15:55:52 <rumflump> I think cloak got stealth too
16:09:22 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-923-g548304e (34)
16:42:20 <gammafunk> if I declare something as a pointer, I can point it directly to a call to new(), right?
16:44:03 <gammafunk> seems so
16:56:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  yes, but you have to free it eventually or you have a memory leak (unless it's supposed to persist for the life of the program)
16:56:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  so I'd consider using unique_ptr or such instead
16:56:35 <gammafunk> ah
16:56:45 <gammafunk> hrm
16:57:11 <gammafunk> !source travel.cc
16:57:11 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc
16:58:15 <gammafunk> |amethyst: kind of equivalent to here https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc#L3464 but using something like the pointer *si you see 23 lines above
16:58:25 <gammafunk> it's going to be put into a vector
16:58:45 <gammafunk> but in that code I cite, I guess it's a stack variable
16:59:19 <gammafunk> I want to effectively use that *si pointer and just assign it the result of new transporter_info()
16:59:31 <gammafunk> and then emplace_back to the necessary vector
16:59:42 <gammafunk> which would be something like li->transporters
17:01:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  IMO the transporter_info should be directly in li->transporters
17:01:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  no pointer
17:01:34 <gammafunk> hrm, but I have to create it
17:01:41 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  emplace_back does create it
17:01:44 <gammafunk> ahh
17:01:55 <|amethyst> it takes constructor parameters
17:02:03 <|amethyst> but even in C++03 you could push_back
17:02:19 <|amethyst> li->transporters.push_back(level_info())
17:02:21 <|amethyst> err
17:02:27 <|amethyst> s/level_info/TransporterInfo
17:02:38 <gammafunk> yeah, ok
17:02:45 <|amethyst> it's just that's an extra copy compared to emplace_back
17:03:10 <gammafunk> so I can do something like li->transporters.push_back(transporter_info(c, dest))
17:03:17 <|amethyst> yes, or
17:03:22 <gammafunk> assuming the transpoter_info class takes those params
17:03:26 <|amethyst> li->transporters.emplace_back(c, dest)
17:03:30 <gammafunk> NAICE
17:03:32 <|amethyst> which is the same thing but cheaper
17:03:39 <gammafunk> right, I recall learning this before
17:03:53 <gammafunk> shows you that education is useless
17:04:50 <|amethyst> and then if you need to return a pointer, return &li->transporters.back();
17:43:40 <gammafunk> !status
17:43:52 <gammafunk> oh
17:44:10 <murtidash> for msvc it's 2012 right?
17:49:50 <MarvinPA_> nice, linley released a thing: https://linleyh.itch.io/liberation-circuit
18:26:09 <gammafunk> dang
18:27:58 <rumflump> has he said any stuff about stone soup?
18:29:13 <gammafunk> dpeg: see what MPA posted above!!!
18:29:28 <gammafunk> <MarvinPA_> nice, linley released a thing: https://linleyh.itch.io/liberation-circuit
18:29:49 <gammafunk> MarvinPA_: how did you find out about that, btw?
18:30:32 <MarvinPA_> on rps's weekly free games thing: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/25/best-free-games-of-the-week-46/#more-437303
18:30:53 <gammafunk> cool, thanks
18:36:43 <dpeg> gammafunk: which one?
18:37:12 <gammafunk> dpeg:  <+MarvinPA_> nice, linley released a thing: https://linleyh.itch.io/liberation-circuit
18:37:23 <gammafunk> that link I posted
18:37:28 <dpeg> ah, nice
18:37:30 <gammafunk> just released
18:37:36 <gammafunk> some kind of shmup hacking game
18:37:37 <dpeg> linley best dev ever
18:52:42 <rumflump> has linley ever said anything about stone soup, in an interview or the like? you would think there'd be an interview or a roguelike celebration panel talk, but I haven't come across one yet
18:53:20 <geekosaur> ??linley[5
18:53:20 <Sequell> linley henzell[5/6]: http://quote-un-quote.tumblr.com/post/2178789666/interview-with-shmup-legend-linley-henzell
18:53:34 <geekosaur> also [4] but that one vanished :(
18:53:52 <geekosaur> (linley dropped in on ##crawl one day)
18:53:54 <dpeg> rumflump: yes, he has
18:55:06 <rumflump> thanks geekosaur
19:09:15 <gammafunk> ??linley henzell[6
19:09:15 <Sequell> linley henzell[6/6]: Henzell discussing his programming ability: "You see, I gave up on Borland's [C++] manual (which is very good, I'm just lazy) when it started talking about pointers [....] After pointers came structs, enums, pragmas, classes, macros, and a whole lot of other stuff which still means nothing to me."
19:09:35 <gammafunk> !learn add linley_henzell https://linleyh.itch.io/liberation-circuit
19:09:35 <Sequell> linley henzell[7/7]: https://linleyh.itch.io/liberation-circuit
19:15:43 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-923-g548304e (34)
20:37:52 <ontoclasm> i still don't know what a pragma is
20:38:06 <ontoclasm> i know the others on that list though!
20:38:12 <ontoclasm> pro coder right here
20:49:54 <geekosaur> pragmas are extra instructions to the compiler. with gcc they usually take the form of e.g. __attribute__(FOO)
20:51:32 <geekosaur> some compilers use #pragma (for example MS C has #pragma pack(N) to change struct/class alignment/packing)
20:51:44 <geekosaur> usually you don;t care much about this
21:02:43 <rumflump> but ontoclasm's not here
21:15:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
21:26:19 -!- kevin is now known as kevinwells
21:30:41 <Cheibriados> b - a +1 figurine of a ziggurat 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10983 by Sar
22:15:21 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick chequers
22:15:22 <Sequell> No nick mapping for chequers.
22:15:27 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick add chequers
22:15:27 <Sequell> Mapping add => chequers
22:15:33 <alexjurkiewicz> jeez
22:15:36 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick -rm add
22:15:37 <Sequell> Deleted add => chequers
22:15:43 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick alex chequesr
22:15:44 <Sequell> Mapping alex => chequesr
22:15:45 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick alex chequers
22:15:46 <Sequell> Mapping alex => chequesr chequers
22:15:50 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick -rm chequesr
22:15:51 <Sequell> No nick mapping for chequesr.
22:16:00 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick -rm alex
22:16:01 <Sequell> Deleted alex => chequesr chequers
22:16:05 <alexjurkiewicz> !nick alex chequers
22:16:05 <Sequell> Mapping alex => chequers
22:16:44 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: mi headbutt is sort of irrelephant, but I think it should probably be suppressed
22:23:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
22:55:08 <gammafunk> http://www.ancientdomainsofmystery.com/2017/03/the-adom-build-system.html
22:55:14 <gammafunk> |amethyst: maybe an interesting read there
22:55:56 <gammafunk> honestly there's not too much info
22:56:07 <gammafunk> and it's not an approach we'd want to take, probably
22:58:16 <Floodkiller> cyno name bikeshedding: any opinions on 'bultungin'/Bu?
22:58:45 <gammafunk> a second 'B' species?!
22:59:27 <hellmonk> wtf is a bultungin
22:59:32 <Floodkiller> there's already 5 D's if that's your complaint
22:59:33 <rumflump> "builtin"? yeah that's an exciting word I'm very familiar with
22:59:57 <hellmonk> call them puppers
23:00:17 <rumflump> tell hellmonk why you don't want to call them gnoll :D
23:00:21 <Floodkiller> bultungin is Kanuri for 'werehyena'
23:00:39 <Floodkiller> but I like it because Bu has a lot of pun combo name potential
23:01:12 <hellmonk> puppers would give you puck
23:01:40 <gammafunk> !makewords Bu
23:01:49 <Sequell> BuAE BuAK BuAM BuAr BuAs BuBe BuCK BuCj BuEE BuEn BuFE BuFi BuGl BuHu BuIE BuMo BuNe BuSk BuSu BuTm BuVM BuWn BuWr BuWz
23:02:11 <gammafunk> aside from BuCK what is there
23:02:46 <Floodkiller> BuHu, BuSk
23:02:52 <hellmonk> oh, you also would get PuBe
23:02:57 <hellmonk> pupper or riot
23:03:03 <rumflump> is abbreviation collision with gnome actually an issue O;
23:03:04 <gammafunk> !makewords Pu
23:03:13 <Sequell> PuAE PuAK PuAM PuAr PuAs PuBe PuCK PuCj PuEE PuEn PuFE PuFi PuGl PuHu PuIE PuMo PuNe PuSk PuSu PuTm PuVM PuWn PuWr PuWz
23:03:22 <Floodkiller> if nobody has a gnome win, then probably not
23:03:48 <gammafunk> !makewords Gn
23:03:57 <Sequell> GnAE GnAK GnAM GnAr GnAs GnBe GnCK GnCj GnEE GnEn GnFE GnFi GnGl GnHu GnIE GnMo GnNe GnSk GnSu GnTm GnVM GnWn GnWr GnWz
23:05:16 <rumflump> gammafunk: would gNOll be too moldbreaking
23:05:32 <gammafunk> we wouldn't do that
23:05:33 <Floodkiller> !lg * race=Gn
23:05:44 <Pleasingfungus> !lg * race=gnome
23:05:44 <Sequell> 3547. Zardoz the Charm-Maker (L1 GnEn), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:2 on 2010-03-01 07:39:36, with 18 points after 22 turns and 0:01:06.
23:05:49 <Sequell> 3547. Zardoz the Charm-Maker (L1 GnEn), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:2 on 2010-03-01 07:39:36, with 18 points after 22 turns and 0:01:06.
23:05:57 <rumflump> !lg * gn won s=role
23:05:58 <Sequell> 22 games for * (gn won): 7x Earth Elementalist, 3x Thief, 3x Healer, Enchanter, Summoner, Wanderer, Stalker, Fighter, Priest, Conjurer, Chaos Knight, Berserker
23:05:59 <gammafunk> the abbreviations are chosen to be something close to the name
23:06:11 <Pleasingfungus> Floodkiller: i feel like bultungin would get complaints from the "hard to pronounce' crowd
23:06:32 <gammafunk> It's all a trick
23:06:34 <hellmonk> it would also get complaints from me because it is not pupper
23:06:43 <gammafunk> fk is making us bikeshed so we become attached to this species
23:07:02 <Pleasingfungus> strong strategy
23:07:04 <Pleasingfungus> i've used it myself
23:07:04 <Floodkiller> you finding that out is only my next move on 14th dimensional chess
23:07:20 <gammafunk> mfw people don't play 27th dimensional chess
23:07:39 <Floodkiller> I would play that, but I put a dimesion cap on to make the game more interesting
23:07:58 <gammafunk> fr: chess with a food clock
23:10:36 <hellmonk> a show where it's a cooking competitin but in between rounds they play chess and you get an ingredient for every piece you capture
23:11:08 <rumflump> Molyneux: "That, but a video game."
23:15:46 <Floodkiller> but yeah, I'm not sure how scoring would react if you used an existing species abbreviation for a different species
23:18:06 <gammafunk> since Gn was actually played in non-experimental games, it would probably be bad
23:18:39 <gammafunk> however it might be ok
23:18:53 <gammafunk> I think snark might simply be able to add an alias for Ba
23:18:54 <gammafunk> er Gn
23:19:15 <gammafunk> such that it's crace=Gnoll
23:19:27 <gammafunk> in fact it might not even require an alias
23:19:28 <gammafunk> hrm
23:19:35 <gammafunk> !kw mibe
23:19:35 <Sequell> Built-in: mibe => char=mibe
23:19:47 <gammafunk> !lg * mibe x=char
23:19:49 <Sequell> 153430. [char=MiBe] brknglss the Cudgeler (L5 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:4 on 2017-03-26 03:08:34, with 184 points after 2868 turns and 0:01:59.
23:20:00 <gammafunk> I'm not sure if this is a sequell-derived field
23:20:43 <gammafunk> seems like it's sequell-derived
23:21:11 <gammafunk> and that probably doesn't matter; I'm not sure how well sequell could deal with it
23:21:26 <gammafunk> which also reminds m
23:21:27 <gammafunk> e
23:21:29 <gammafunk> !kw babe
23:21:30 <Sequell> Keyword: babe => char=babe
23:21:35 <gammafunk> I get to go delete these
23:21:49 <gammafunk> should be able to make a command for it though
23:24:35 <Floodkiller> there's also apparently still a holdout for calling them High Elves, but I would prefer Puppers over that
23:25:25 <gammafunk> hard to see a thematic connection to high elves
23:25:42 <gammafunk> nor a reason why that theme would even be interesting
23:26:10 <gammafunk> perhaps some other kind of elf, but the species doesn't feel very elf-like to me
23:26:27 <Floodkiller> I think the reasoning is to cut out the strong nose thing and make it like elven royalty which are adept at training but too lazy to apply themselves to mastery levels
23:26:39 <gammafunk> that just seems incredibly hokey
23:26:48 <gammafunk> besides, PF already re-implemented high elves
23:27:03 <hellmonk> high elves bc at first they're good but then they toke up too much and cant do anything
23:27:15 <rumflump> who is trying to brand them as elves besides minmay
23:27:36 <Floodkiller> yeah, and I dislike it because re-implementing high elves as anything but exactly old high elves would lead to riots
23:27:48 <Floodkiller> Ferrinus on SA
23:28:21 <rumflump> SA is mostly noise, right?
23:28:28 <hellmonk> well the sa crowd also thinks the game is too hard so
23:28:46 <gammafunk> oh, random guy on SA? well then we have to do it, there's just nothing to be done
23:29:09 <rumflump> in the old days it was differentish from 4chan? but as time passes ebaumsworld, 4chan, and SA look more and more the same
23:29:12 <Floodkiller> yep, pretty much, hands are tied
23:29:35 <gammafunk> there is a strong current of 4chan in SA, yeah
23:29:35 <gammafunk> but it's not really 4chan
23:29:49 <gammafunk> it's generally way more civil
23:29:53 <Floodkiller> it makes sense when you realize 4chan was founded by banned SA members from the anime subforum
23:29:58 <gammafunk> heh
23:31:03 <Pleasingfungus> ferrinus is a good poster, imo
23:33:31 <Pleasingfungus> if i ever return to crawl dev, i might try to implement his Fixed Singularity
23:33:37 <Pleasingfungus> Singularity 2: Duality
23:34:01 <gammafunk> oh, that ferrinus
23:34:26 <Floodkiller> what was his fixed version?
23:34:29 <gammafunk> well, the high elf idea is silly anyhow
23:36:20 <Pleasingfungus> hm, i don't seem to have it in my notes
23:36:29 <Pleasingfungus> he had some like 6-point list for how to fix singularity
23:36:38 <Pleasingfungus> it's in the current thread somewhere
23:37:09 <gammafunk> .echo $(map (fn (c) (!kw -rm Ba$c)) (list AE AK AM Ar As Be Cj CK EE En FE Fi Gl Hu IE Mo Ne Sk Su Tm VM Wn Wr Wz))
23:37:21 <Sequell> Deleted keyword: baae => char=baae Deleted keyword: baak => char=baak Deleted keyword: baam => char=baam Deleted keyword: baar => char=baar Deleted keyword: baas => char=baas Deleted keyword: babe => char=babe Deleted keyword: bacj => char=bacj Deleted keyword: back => char=back Deleted keyword: baee => char=baee Deleted keyword: baen => char=baen Deleted keyword: bafe => char=bafe Deleted keyword...
23:37:27 <gammafunk> !kw baak
23:37:28 <Sequell> Built-in: baak => char=baak
23:37:29 <gammafunk> cool
23:43:27 <wheals_> it's not like i like you or anything, baak
23:43:33 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals