00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:14 minmay I bet throwing a single golden coin wouldn't be that hard 00:00:19 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:21 and it would probably hurt pretty bad just because of the weight 00:00:23 even tho gold is malleable 00:00:29 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:40 I guess what I'm saying here is fr final fantasy coin throw attack 00:00:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:00:55 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:28 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:36 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:00 (once added this attack will cause penance with gozag for throwing away gold) 00:02:02 fr: randart property that makes you sometimes lose gold when hit 00:02:20 wow that would also be illegal to wear under gozag 00:02:50 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:14 lol replace amulet of harm with amulet of wealth: lose gold when hit, gain gold when killing (less than if worshipping gozag) 00:03:44 must pay 500gp to take it off 00:03:46 sounds like gozag-flavoured faith... 00:03:51 heavily drains your bank account 00:04:03 tbh I wish faith just made gozag drop more gold, it would make more sense than it just being useless 00:04:05 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:27 and is effectively almost the same thing as gaining piety with any other go 00:04:29 d 00:04:34 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:38 there's actually precedent for faith doing wonky special things for a god w/o piety 00:04:39 see: ru 00:05:23 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:58 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-864-g92acfd1 (34) 00:06:33 koboldina: so what's next 00:06:36 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:39 yetis? 00:06:51 mimics? 00:07:07 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:50 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:07 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:09 yeti-mimics 00:10:21 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:38 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:55 -!- Kramell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:03 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:20 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:33 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:02 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:43:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 00:47:12 -!- vermi has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:59:30 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 01:07:40 -!- Horse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:19:44 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-864-g92acfd1 (34) 01:23:28 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 01:28:59 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:33:45 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:15 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:41:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51:39 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:00 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-864-g92acfd1 01:59:47 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:15 it seems like the version number displayed on CPO is always one version behind 03:01:12 what I've been doing for each version is test, tag, push. should I be doing git tag *after* each push so that each commit after that is treated as part of the next version? 03:02:33 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:06:03 I think you're a bit confused as to how tags work 03:06:10 I assume you're using an annotated tag? 03:06:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:50 if so, that tag is attached to a commit and is an object in the repo (not just a pointer to a commit like a lightweight tag) 03:07:16 it has its own annotation (the comment you annotate it with) 03:08:56 but all commits from the one first associated with tag afterwards are included in the version 03:09:57 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10:01 whether you push or not would influence whether the affected commits were described with that tag or not 03:10:18 but push order does not change anything about which commits are associated with the tag 03:11:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:09 well like, I was wrapping up 1.4.5, say. so I git tag on master and then merge from dev branch 03:13:56 but I guess the commits all happened "during" the reign of the 1.4.4 tag, so it doesn't matter that the merge is theoretically tagged 1.4.5? 03:14:25 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:35 I don't think I was annotating tags though 03:14:50 all commits from HEAD on will be 1.4.5 after you tag 1.4.5 03:15:21 -!- Elitist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:15:28 so whichever commit was HEAD at the time that you did tag, that will be the first commit in 1.4.5 03:15:38 it was git tag 1.4.5 \ git merge origin/yiuf \ git push \ ask chequers to update the build \ look on CPO and see that the page title says "1.4.4" 03:15:41 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-864-g92acfd1 (34) 03:15:49 did you push --tags? 03:15:59 ahhh, no 03:16:04 that would be why, yeah 03:16:08 tags aren't pushed by default 03:16:13 butts! 03:16:21 I'm surprised my version numbers were going up at all then 03:16:26 thanks for that 03:16:28 -!- tarabluh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:41 it annoys me tags aren't pushed by default 03:17:19 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:37 there's probably a good reason for it 03:17:44 do you guys annotate tags? 03:17:58 oh that's the thing where it says "now opening the 0.19 season", isn't it? 03:18:13 I did that once, because I saw a doc that told me to, but I forgot to keep up with it 03:18:48 yes, we use annotated tags 03:20:12 I'm not sure what all the practical differences would be 03:22:05 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:22:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:34 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:33:58 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:35:18 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:43:47 i know i've brought this up before, but is it just too much of a pain in the ass to make it so tab realizes you can move through plants as a fedhas worshipper? 03:44:11 probably 03:44:31 who wants to talk about nagas and specifically about how amazingly bad they are, and how that's been brought into focus by barachians 03:46:29 they're the slowest species AND the species with the worst early game defenses because of deformed body + EV penalty (they don't get innate AC or bardings until later) 03:46:44 !learn del deam_reasons 03:46:45 Deleted deam reasons[1/1]: http://imgur.com/Q00yM3t 03:46:55 that image is gone 03:47:47 in return they get some extra HP that they'll lose faster than other species anyway because of their worse defenses, plus...sting 03:48:31 what would you do about it 03:50:45 hey, but nagas also have an incredibly low chance to find the one piece of armor that helps make up for deformed body 03:51:27 and their poison spit only fails about 1/30 times at xl1! 03:51:37 assuming it doesn't succeed and just miss 03:51:47 or hit and do no damage and doesn't poison what you hit 03:52:04 but there's that sweet +5 stealth apt to make up for all of that 03:52:28 alright, no fail chance since it can miss and fail in other ways, got it. what else? 03:52:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:58 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-864-g92acfd1 03:53:23 well, i would say that naga barding shows up less than half as often as centaur barding 03:53:28 and neither are particularly common 03:53:34 and nagas need the barding a lot mroe 03:53:43 although i haven't actually looked at the weightings 03:54:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:55:10 i mean, i don't know what minmay was going at there exactly 03:55:23 but i agree that barachians just make nagas look terrible now 03:55:35 maybe if you gave nagas constrict earlier again it might help 03:57:03 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:56 early constrict is a possibility but Op already has it so I'm not fond of that 03:58:12 I'm more inclined to change their innate AC so that they get at least some at XL1 03:59:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:32 I get that they're a "challenge race" but that shouldn't mean they're just awful at everything early game; even mummies get to never die to poison etc 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:08 well, i would say that naga barding shows up less than half as often as centaur barding 04:00:13 you would say that but you would also be completely wrong 04:01:11 i think centaur also has, oh, about 1 million more relevant advantages over naga than possibly getting slightly more bardings on average :P 04:01:24 that's fine 04:01:34 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:01:37 centaur lives long enough to see their barding more than twice as often 04:02:07 =p 04:02:36 also, why is tavern all of a sudden being listed as a non-secure site? 04:02:42 did someone let a certificate go? 04:02:44 ssl certificate expired 04:02:45 cert needs to be renewed 04:02:47 ah 04:04:29 also, let's be realistic. centaur probably only has like 750k relevant advantages over naga 04:04:55 I would suggest starting them with +2 AC, increasing by 1 every 4 levels after (XL5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25) 04:05:12 currently they start with +0 and get another +1 at XL3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27 04:05:32 also: ‹minmay› I get that they're a "challenge race" but that shouldn't mean they're just awful at everything early game; even mummies get to never die to poison etc 04:05:50 the most humiliating thing in crawl is dying to an adder as a naga 04:05:53 either from getting poisoned 04:06:00 or because you sucked too much to kill it 04:07:14 I'm not attached to the specific curve but their supposed advantage of more AC should kick in at XL1, not in lair (or sometimes even later) 04:08:02 i've been playing a lot of nagas lately, because they're one of a few races i haven't won yet 04:08:15 and i get to lair all too frequently with something like 6/12 defense 04:08:29 fudge either of those numbers in a couple in either direction 04:09:01 I don't think making poison spit a bigger part of Na would be an improvement, incidentally, it already gets used in every early fight 04:09:19 i agree 04:09:30 i just think the fact that it has a chance to outright fail is stupid 04:10:07 it's like a bee stung me and forgot to inject venom 04:10:46 for the record, i feel the same about every innate racial ability 04:12:44 what about blink mutation etc 04:13:09 can all of the racials already miss or be resisted in addition to their xl-based failure? 04:14:12 i think all of the racials are xl-based 04:14:32 red/pale drac breath can't randomly fail to make clouds 04:15:01 well, i'm not sure if naga spit can fail at xl 7 either 04:15:15 i know tengu flight has a 1% chance to fail at 5 thouth 04:15:16 though 04:15:20 or at least it did 04:15:33 i mean, it's irrelevant the vast majority of the time 04:15:35 it just annoys me 04:16:30 spit poison is fail_basis::xl, 20, 1, so 13% fail at xl 7 04:16:51 that doesn't sound right 04:16:57 unless naga get a bonus 04:17:07 because i think it starts out at like 3% 04:17:16 of course, naga are the only ones that can get it at all anymore 04:17:44 like i said, this is not a huge issue, it's just something that has bothered me for a while 04:18:34 -!- bitcoinbastard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:43 yeah, 3% at game start on a nawz 04:18:45 on cao 04:19:02 interesting 04:19:08 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19:13 wonder what 20 actually means then 04:19:22 no idea really 04:19:36 maybe it had something to do with when it was a mutation anyone could get 04:20:20 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:59 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:49 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:31:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 04:34:24 -!- wicksfield has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:46 -!- bgiannan has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:37:51 -!- bgiannan1 is now known as bgiannan 04:38:11 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:51 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:14 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:40:37 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:07 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:37 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:07 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:23 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:42:37 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:40 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:49:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:49:53 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:53:07 -!- Dady has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:00 -!- Guest4567 has quit [Quit: ...] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:44 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:14:58 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:21 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:30:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:36:06 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:36:16 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:43:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:50:54 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:22 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:53:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:39 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:08:58 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:00 -!- yesno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:28 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:11 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:51:46 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:47 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:57:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:39:21 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:27 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:10:16 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:08 Hepliaklqana forms a fragment of your life essence into the memory of your ancestor, Jaydra # not many names! 08:29:21 Is that a misplaced comment ? 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12:25:10 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 12:25:24 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:28 wow, wordpress spam has been astonishingly bad this week 12:28:30 i wonder why 12:36:08 it's been bad for the last few weeks for me 12:36:13 I keep getting those emails 12:36:21 unless you're judging by something else 12:36:32 I assume it's because someone started running some new bots 12:36:41 we also have I pretty old version of wordpress, I think 12:36:55 they were just waiting for our https cert to expire 12:36:55 preparing to strike 12:37:41 they don't no bout our secret nap.kin tho 12:37:59 very absorbent! 12:49:50 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:58 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54:21 -!- yeeve has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:59:21 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:05:00 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 13:09:08 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-866-gd9c272e (34) 13:09:59 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:35 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:51 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: audio output down brb] 13:37:40 -!- Fixer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:16 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:43 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:43:04 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:12 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:44:18 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50:47 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:57:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:12 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-867-g8880629: Check map bounds for local tiles right-click (10600) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8880629c5b67 14:10:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:57 hm when mantis wants me to confirm resolution of an issue, what am I supposed to do? 14:15:18 just close it? 14:15:20 <|amethyst> advil: change status to closed 14:15:24 <|amethyst> yeah 14:15:37 ok thanks 14:15:52 -!- Gregory_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:47 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22:53 Hi guys! In the past I made some contributions to the crawl. But recently I deleted my Github account (well, maybe I hurried to do it). If I make a new account, you will not be against new contributions from me? 14:23:46 I'd think the main issue is whether github can keep things straight 14:24:05 unless part of the deletion was badmouthing projects you contributed to, or something 14:24:36 mailmap might get confusing I guess, but that can be worked around 14:26:52 In fact, the Crawl was the only project on Github to which I made contributions. 14:27:32 And shortly before I removed myself from the malmap. 14:27:45 mailmap* 14:28:14 But I stayed in credits. 14:30:21 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:31 %%git 0ac6e19e7319 14:30:33 ? 14:30:37 %git 0ac6e19e7319 14:30:37 07chereshnev02 {|amethyst} * 0.20-a0-645-g0ac6e19: Remove an obsolete mailmap entry (#455) 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ac6e19e7319 14:30:40 that one? 14:31:35 Yep 14:31:36 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:04 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:44 Gregory_: unless there is some backstory I'm not aware of afaik changing identity in some way is not a problem (but I'm pretty junior here so maybe I'm missing something) 14:34:45 won't be able to make pull requests w/o a github account 14:34:52 aside from that should be fine, i think 14:34:57 looks like you've done a bunch of documentation/translation stuff over the years which is definitely appreciated 14:35:15 yeh, that was my point. I can't see it being an issue unless you specifically attacked crawl (but my guess is it was involving github politics, and afaik we don;t care --- we moved to github because gitlab was at the time too lame and gitorious used up most of its "move now!" being down) 14:35:54 i think i'm mad at github for some reason 14:35:58 but not mad enough to do anything about it 14:36:15 i think... they're sexist? 14:36:41 i feel like their name should be pronounced "gith-ub," is that enough of a reason 14:36:45 * geekosaur thinks github lacks a lot of being a good system technically. (as for sexist, that's them and half the tech community :( singling them out doesn't seem worth it) 14:37:26 ontoclasm: what if it was "gith-oob" 14:37:40 you welsh or something? :p 14:37:50 <|amethyst> that would be githwb 14:38:10 the web interface for git 14:38:14 it checks out! 14:38:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:49 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:56 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:34 In fact, all I did was a large number of Russian translations (since 2015) and prerequisites for Linux Void (because this is my favorite distro). 14:41:39 But I decided that I can do more, and tried to make some vaults and code, but failed. 14:42:13 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:42:23 Then I got furious and deleted my Github account :P 14:44:04 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:58 Perhaps this was not the best solution, but I hope that you will take into consideration my pull requests (if I write some the code and create a new account). 14:46:14 of course 14:47:20 Thanks! 14:49:59 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [] 14:50:07 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:34 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:37 -!- Gregory_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:52 -!- wilbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:24 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:58:28 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:34 does anyone have strong opinions about swimming in deep water 15:00:34 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:01:09 i'm very very strongly unexcited by it 15:02:20 i think the design of 'you can't move in this [unless you have a special-case exception]' is much cleaner and more interesting than 'you can move in this, but it's very shitty, no even more shitty than the other shitty movement terrain [unless you have the special-case exception]' 15:02:29 I don't see that it's really necessary but I think it might be nice to have an 'out' for these island vaults 15:02:30 it doesn't seem like something we'd add to the game if we were designing from scratch 15:02:33 yeah 15:02:40 i think the problem with island vaults is island vaults 15:03:02 do we need to add an 'out' for teleport closets? let you walk through walls, but really slowly? 15:03:04 specifically deep water island vaults anyway 15:03:08 passwall! 15:03:23 :P 15:03:29 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: we do add hatches for teleport closets when it can reasonably get the player stuck 15:03:56 thats' what we do for island vaults, yeah 15:04:15 I think adding weird functionality so hatches can't be removed seems like replacing a problemw ith another problem 15:04:26 er, *so hatches don't have to be used 15:05:46 <|amethyst> the difference between lava and deep water is kind of weird though 15:05:51 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:15 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:29 it doesn't seem like something we'd add to the game if we were designing from scratch 15:06:29 minmay: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:06:31 <|amethyst> two impassable terrain types that can be crossed using the same exception, except one of them has a second exception that lets you cross it 15:06:36 would you add deep water to the game if you were designing from scratch? 15:07:18 I think badswimming would be better than status quo for lava/deep water. Flight's most interesting cases are still not all that good. 15:07:48 I'd suggest merging shallow and deep water into just "water", which acts like current shallow water 15:07:52 and badswimming lowers the odds of stupid things happening, while opening up a small number of slightly interesting possibilities. 15:07:58 !messages 15:07:58 (1/3) Pleasingfungus said (2w 2d 2h 57m 52s ago): yeah, if they end up in a fun state, i'm happy regardless of what their 'marquee' ability actually ends up being 15:08:02 !messages 15:08:02 (1/2) Pleasingfungus said (2w 2d 2h 57m 39s ago): ps send me the reaction image 15:08:03 !messages 15:08:04 (1/1) Pleasingfungus said (2h 42m 53s ago): do pigs go 'sss'? 15:08:20 pigs go sss when you fry them 15:08:24 also snap and crackle 15:08:34 <|amethyst> Brannock: like those cereal elves 15:08:55 <|amethyst> I think swimming through lava is far too unflavourful even for Crawl 15:08:59 yes 15:09:04 <|amethyst> then again, you can fly over lava, so... 15:09:15 <|amethyst> I guess it's just red water 15:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-867-g8880629 (34) 15:09:42 It'd be flavoured as walking on top of the lava rather than swimming through it, I think 15:09:48 |amethyst: are you more concerned about viscosity, heat, or both? Heat at least can be solved by having it do massive fire damage. 15:09:49 flash sweat.. 15:10:13 and viscosity, what minmay said 15:10:53 If I was designing a roguelike from scratch then yeah I would add deep water 15:10:55 this reminds me, lava really shouldn't generate LOS-blocking clouds, it screws with autoexplore big time 15:11:00 > [12:06] minmay would you add deep water to the game if you were designing from scratch? 15:11:03 I'm not the type to go for hyper perfect mechanics though 15:11:04 yes 15:11:13 ok then 15:11:13 <|amethyst> yeah, smoke from lava is lame 15:11:21 <|amethyst> particularly those temple maps 15:11:22 i could do w/o smoke from lava 15:11:38 <|amethyst> where autoexplore circles around a half dozen times before finally seeing all squares 15:11:41 heh 15:11:50 I wouldn't even mind it generating do-nothing clouds like thin mist for flavour purposes, but LOS-blocking clouds from it are just awful 15:11:52 honestly for these temple/volcano maps I just manually explore 15:11:57 I like the smoke flavor but I wouldn't miss it 15:12:00 i like smoke from lava, partially because it's one of the few distinctions between lava and deep water 15:12:05 but i can't defend it particularly well 15:12:22 changing it to not block LOS seems fine? 15:12:22 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: what about interaction with fire/ice spells? :) 15:12:22 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:12:29 <|amethyst> not blocking LOS means mechanically it's mostly not a thing 15:12:30 true! 15:12:38 ice bridges! 15:12:49 and then jeff bridges! 15:13:01 so we have two or three against votes on 472, one yes (Lasty), and a couple neutral votes 15:13:11 I think deep water should stay deep water, personally 15:13:13 crawl is NOT a democracy 15:13:19 it's a consensusocracy 15:13:26 but also i don't see what "interesting possibilities" badswimming opens up 15:13:39 it just seems........ bad 15:13:39 <|amethyst> I don't think it really opens possibilities, but 15:13:40 yeah it just mostly makes Shoals actually *more* annoying 15:13:49 unless you continued to forbid autoexploring into deep water 15:13:59 <|amethyst> (1) it prevents some situations where you get stuck 15:14:09 Pleasingfungus: Situations where you might want to make yourself vulnerable to achieve some goal. I think it's a relatively rare situation, but I think it'd still more interesting than flight 15:14:21 <|amethyst> (2) it doesn't give you access to anything that merfolk/grey dracs/op/barachim don't already get access to 15:14:35 Brannock: you would have to disallow autoexplore into deep water 15:14:44 <|amethyst> lava I'd be less happy with 15:17:01 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:17:18 might want to rethink most of the sewer vaults... 15:17:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17:31 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:32 flight should probably go away regardless 15:18:19 that was another thing I meant to bring up, there are a bunch of Sewers/Dungeon vaults that use deep water to block off sections. I think these are fine, and I think it's also fine that we have some species that can just walk right through it, and others would need to use Flight to see what's there (or get lucky with teleports) 15:19:21 Brannock: there's never anything there 15:19:30 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 15:19:32 in the sewers/icecv vaults i mean 15:19:57 well in the sewers ones it serves as "you've got to find another way around!" 15:20:27 <|amethyst> there's at least one sewer vault where you need flying to get to the treasure 15:20:36 that one has !flight included iirc 15:20:38 <|amethyst> yeah 15:20:48 is that the sickly mermaid one? 15:20:52 <|amethyst> no 15:21:18 <|amethyst> !source sewer_fruit_machine 15:21:18 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/sewer.des#L817 15:21:51 <|amethyst> !source sewer_co_15_rooms 15:21:52 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/sewer.des#L960 15:22:08 <|amethyst> oh, that reminds me 15:22:14 <|amethyst> this one needs some work: 15:22:20 <|amethyst> !source sewer_co_scattered_pipes 15:22:21 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/sewer.des#L1189 15:22:27 <|amethyst> that's the one where plants often block the pipes 15:22:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:40 <|amethyst> so to explore everything you have to kill plants, often while standing in shallow water 15:22:45 I do not like how GitHub displays these vaults 15:22:52 too much space in between lines and characters 15:23:03 <|amethyst> no colour 15:23:13 they have colour? 15:23:28 oh I probably need to enable something in my editor to assign colors I guess 15:23:34 <|amethyst> !source dat/vim/syntax/levdes.vim 15:23:35 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/vim/syntax/levdes.vim 15:24:30 <|amethyst> doesn't help for the mass-of-subst vaults of course 15:24:42 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:08 bleh, no easy way to convert from vim to sublime text 15:25:18 will need to do it by hand mostly 15:27:07 I will gladly use your results if you do that, brannock :) 15:28:29 "Boo!" 15:28:30 _The divine experience confuses you! You are confused. 15:28:36 can't escape from xom confusion even by abandoning him 15:29:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:07 -!- wilbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:35 ?/mad Xom 15:34:36 Matching entries (1): xom_wrath[1]: Abandonment: 50 penance. Retribution: Xom acts. (On average, this is worse than just worshipping Xom; but the worst case is the same, so if you are prepared to deal with Happy Xom you should be fine with Mad Xom) 15:35:15 basically you escape by never going xom in the first place 15:36:20 -!- minqmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:21 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:21 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: to mobile] 15:42:31 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:12 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:53 call out post: hungry ghosts 15:56:45 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:34 -!- tarabluh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:34 -!- andrew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:10:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:05 C - the +8 hand axe of a bailey {god gift, chop, -Tele *Noise rF+++ Int+8} 16:20:07 trog are you ok 16:25:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 16:27:47 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:42 is there any detailed list of what mouse+key combos are supposed to do in local tiles? 16:31:53 <|amethyst> if not, there should be 16:32:48 heh 16:33:13 there may be a chicken & egg problem here 16:33:13 <|amethyst> advil: btw, if you're looking for old bugs to work your magic on 16:33:33 <|amethyst> !bug 8187 16:33:33 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 16:34:10 <|amethyst> something with beogh allies or conversion probably 16:34:15 that's a weird looking one 16:36:17 hm I'd apparently need a cszo developer account to download that first save, is that even possible? 16:36:28 <|amethyst> advil: yes 16:36:45 <|amethyst> Done, advil is now a DGL admin. 16:36:49 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:50 I like the choose-your-own-mantis-adventure "If this happens with Ashenzari, it's 0008430. With Beogh it is this bug. Otherwise, 0007983." 16:36:53 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:56 thanks |amethyst :-) 16:37:00 <|amethyst> hm, re dobrazupa 16:37:18 <|amethyst> I might be dropping HTTPS support when renewal time comes this June-ish 16:37:30 <|amethyst> because I had my certs through startssl 16:37:39 <|amethyst> which is now an outcast 16:37:55 <|amethyst> https://security.googleblog.com/2016/10/distrusting-wosign-and-startcom.html 16:38:29 <|amethyst> I could switch to letsencrypt, but then I'd need to set things up for monthly (or whatever it is) renewal 16:38:43 some hosts just deal with that for you 16:38:46 it is monthly 16:39:01 <|amethyst> my host does not 16:39:08 <|amethyst> in fact, I have a new host 16:39:13 <|amethyst> my hosting company got bought 16:39:25 who by? 16:39:26 <|amethyst> for the second time 16:40:19 <|amethyst> synergyisp.com it looks like 16:40:52 -!- yeeve has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40:57 <|amethyst> it was original "Razor Servers", then sagonet.com 16:41:39 <|amethyst> I barely even pay attention to mail from my host, just have the $100/mo budgeted 16:41:45 heh, never heard of any of them 16:41:57 <|amethyst> I could probably get a much better server for my $100 these days 16:42:07 yeah, $100 a month is a fair amount 16:42:08 <|amethyst> considering that it's never been upgraded since CSZO became a thing 16:42:15 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:15 <|amethyst> August 2012 ish 16:42:27 <|amethyst> advil: it's a full machine, at least 16:42:29 there has to be a special or a better deal you can get 16:42:32 ah nice 16:42:48 <|amethyst> only 8 GiB of RAM though 16:42:51 are you just paying that out of pocket?? 16:43:09 not sure what the alternatives would be, but 16:43:11 <|amethyst> and 500 GiB or so of disk 16:43:13 <|amethyst> yeah 16:43:25 <|amethyst> I have been offered donations, but turned them down 16:43:42 -!- Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 16:43:43 <|amethyst> back when CSZO was actually a crawl server 16:43:44 -!- 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reconfigure them for the new IP addresses 16:49:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:46 looks like that company bought your isp to run their data centers, maybe...so no more shipping this time 16:50:04 <|amethyst> yeah, there was no downtime or anything 16:50:42 <|amethyst> I just got an email saying "Updated Contact Information for Billing and Sales/Customer Service" 16:54:41 -!- halv has quit [] 16:55:08 http://i.imgur.com/3VuXCHb.png 16:55:32 -!- Menche_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:38 wait this is in hellcrawl nevermind oops 16:58:03 I think someone reported that, and maybe it got fixed 16:58:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:21 <|amethyst> it did in mainline 16:58:37 <|amethyst> %git 8b9f7908 16:58:37 07amalloy02 * 0.20-a0-801-g8b9f790: Fix temple_doors_cd (ethical_paranoiac) 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b9f79082576 16:59:29 ctrl-click is really janky 16:59:32 in local tiles 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:13:34 -!- noppa354 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:07 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 17:27:34 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:31:58 does stealth reduce melee combat noise? 17:32:41 shouldn't interact, afaik 17:32:46 stealth and noise almost never interact 17:33:03 twelwe: stealth doesn't reduce any noise 17:33:33 they're like two distinct monster attention systems, one for in los, one for (mainly) out of los 17:34:02 well, loud noises in los will wash out stealth checks 17:34:05 stealth is more useful for its out-of-LOS effect than its in-LOS effect, IMO 17:34:22 (not that it is very useful even for that) 17:34:27 unless you have invis of course 17:34:32 what does it do out of los? 17:34:36 <|amethyst> stealth affects how well monsters can track you 17:34:39 oh 17:34:47 right, yeah 17:35:46 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:50:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:51:55 would it be unreasonable to prompt the player twice if they try to switch to a ranged weapon while berserk 17:52:14 since that is almost always not a good idea 17:52:23 players can switch weapons while berserk? 17:52:59 i'm handling the PR that enables that 17:53:33 and by handling i mean i sent it and got told to add a warning :b 17:56:53 I just got the greatest idea in the universe 17:57:22 remove elf:3, then people don't wander in and die so much in elf 17:57:30 but they can still visit and kill a few elves for funsies 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:29 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/490 * 0.20-a0-853-g3d871ed: Add warnings around weapon swapping while berserk. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d871ed770cc 18:02:31 I was a fan of the old idea of connecting elf to HoB to connect to Vaults, as a way to bypass the runelock. then make HoB more deadly. or something 18:02:31 that boat has sailed though 18:04:32 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05:00 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:38 03Doesnty02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/485 * 0.20-a0-880-g057add2: Merge branch 'master' into library 10(38 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/057add2f7590 18:08:22 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:09:11 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:56 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:18:38 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:52 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:46 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:48:30 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:34 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:49:39 did someone mention CSZO revival... 18:49:50 maybe we can find a new volunteer these days 18:51:43 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:38 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-868-g1c3bcfd: Fix a return (local tiles mouse bug) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c3bcfd1ff7f 18:54:38 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-869-gcf33cab: Make `get_spell_letter` use `you.spell_letter_table` 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf33cab7c740 18:55:15 gcf33cab is especially fun 18:55:18 -!- wilbert has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 18:55:35 well, it's sort of ugly actually, but what it's fixing is fun 18:55:48 *cf33cab 18:55:52 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:07 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:39 -!- hittemvvvhard has quit [Quit: ik ga slapen] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:20 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-869-gcf33cab (34) 19:08:00 -!- Fixer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-869-gcf33cab (34) 19:11:32 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:44 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23:31 -!- Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 19:32:38 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:55 %git d996e2d 19:34:55 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1255-gd996e2d: Avoid losing monster item drops under Ashenzari (#8430) 10(1 year, 9 months ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d996e2d27e94 19:37:05 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:41:06 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/490 * 0.20-a0-854-g35fef23: Only warn when trying to wield a launcher while berserk 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35fef2394133 19:54:05 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:44 !lm * type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna' s=cv x=avg(absdepth) -graph 19:59:45 21695 milestones for * (type=god.maxpiety noun='sif muna'): https://shalott.org/graphs/338e4fd66f4a763a875ee85b1e68591326b67c8a.html 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:38 someone was asking me about sif piety gain recently, and this graph came up 20:01:45 noticeable drop in piety gain resulting from the 0.19 changes 20:02:09 which may be fine of course, but it seems slower than most gods I've checked (by that measure at least) 20:06:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 20:07:44 how is that x-axis sorted 20:08:29 bumping it a bit up wouldn't be a problem imo but you might want to ask other devs who actually play Sif Muna 20:08:29 good question 20:08:44 (that is, gammafunk?) 20:08:55 personally i'd like to continue to slow down piety gain for most gods 20:11:16 -!- harambe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14:27 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:15:00 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:54 yeah 20:19:13 it's really not hard to either have sufficient piety with sif or to get max piety if you really want to keep piety very high for whatever reason 20:19:22 that reason would only be "even more book gifts" 20:19:40 but generally if you keep piety in the 5* area you'll get plenty of those 20:20:29 but like MPA said, making it easy for players to reach max piety quickly and maintain it isn't really desirable 20:20:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:39 so no change then to current sif? 20:20:56 wow, i see local tiles bugs are being fixed 20:20:58 in terms of piety, I don't think there's a problem 20:21:00 it's incredible to see 20:21:14 another thing about sif piety is that if you really want more of it, put 100% of skilling into magical schools 20:21:16 wheals: I did fix a few :-) 20:21:31 and thank you for that! 20:21:32 since that's what the god's piety gain allows 20:21:45 wheals: you saw I fixed the mouse thing some time ago?! 20:21:53 do I have your approval finally, wheals? 20:22:10 maybe...... 20:22:10 gammafunk: yeah I think the person I'm talking to doesn't really like that mechanic 20:22:29 advil: they're not alone! but it is a distinct aspect of sif 20:23:14 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:15 !motto Developers Love Interest Mechanics That Explore The Design Space and Prevent No-Brainers 20:23:15 DLIMTETDSAPN! D-Developers! L-Love! I-Interest! M-Mechanics! T-That! E-Explore! T-The! D-Design! S-Space! A-And! P-Prevent! N-No-Brainers! Developers Love Interest Mechanics That Explore The Design Space And Prevent No-Brainers! DEVELOPERS LOVE INTEREST MECHANICS THAT EXPLORE THE DESIGN SPACE AND PREVENT NO-BRAINERS! 20:23:25 DLIMTETDSAPNB 20:23:27 dammit, *interesting 20:23:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:09 here's a good mechanic: what if, if you beat on a game on an online server, you get actual money = the amount of gold you left the dungeon with 20:24:12 what do you do if you want to hit 6* piety though 20:25:29 with sif? train more magical schools 20:25:33 and/or wear faith 20:25:41 in my sif wins I did get max piety 20:25:47 around vaults I think 20:25:55 and this was not training 100% magical schools 20:26:07 !kw newsif 20:26:07 Keyword: newsif => vlong>=0.19-a0-890-gff1bd09 sif 20:26:10 in my experience it's not consistent 20:26:17 consistent how? 20:26:20 !lg . won newsif s=char 20:26:21 3 games for gammafunk (won newsif): HOWz, HuNe, OpSu 20:26:39 nicolae-: and if you die you have to pay that amount before you can start another game 20:26:41 your ability to hit 6* piety at all depends mostly on gift speed luck 20:26:45 and whether or not faith shows up 20:26:52 minmay: it'd definitely help defray server costs 20:26:55 wheals: do you play with local tiles much? 20:26:58 this is untrue 20:27:08 you don't need faith to hit 6* 20:27:17 no, but it helps a lot 20:27:32 had a game where i didn't hit it until pan 20:27:32 nicolae-: xomscumming would cause a problem however 20:27:35 possible idea: sif gives extra piety the first time you hit 9/18/27 in a magic skill 20:27:43 right, so it's inconsistent as to whether you can use faith to help you reach max piety 20:27:49 no, but the bugs with it have often taken a long time to fix since not many devs do, and not many devs know the code 20:27:50 minmay: well, maybe they shouldna be xomscumming 20:27:58 if that doesn't happen, you can train more magical schools (if you care about 6*) 20:28:14 hopefully the tournament rules will not reward hitting 6* then 20:28:24 why? 20:28:33 if you want points in the tournament for that particular thing 20:28:42 you'll want to train magical schools or wear faith 20:28:49 should we remove the orbrun tomb thing too 20:28:50 this was a DEFE 20:28:56 that trained pretty much just magic 20:28:58 given how many truly ludicrous tournament cheevos we have 20:29:13 I don't think "maybe use faith to reach sif max piety" is a problematic one 20:29:57 it makes worshipping sif in any game that might win frustrating 20:30:06 because if faith doesn't drop and you don't get 6* 20:30:13 you lost tournament points off dumb rng 20:30:34 it would be fine if they just used xom rules for everyone 20:30:53 at best that sounds like a problem for god worship rules in the tourney 20:30:58 if it is a problem, which I don't think it is 20:31:01 sounds like tournament should not give god related points 20:31:24 yeah i don't think the game has to bend for the tourney here 20:31:48 it's just really silly for the tourney rules to not count your winning game as having worshipped sif 20:31:58 if you joined sif first god at temple and never left 20:32:05 but didn't luck into 6* at any point 20:32:48 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:52 Lots of 'really silly' things can happen in tourney that lead to you getting fewer points, I don't think that's a particularly bad one personally 20:32:56 the problem is almost entirely because 5* is where book gifts start 20:33:07 and if you are on gift time-out 20:33:14 piety gain is directed into lowering that 20:33:30 and most of those silly things are 20:33:32 under your control 20:33:45 or cause you to die 20:33:52 I really don't follow this logic at all 20:34:01 I'm pretty sure sif piety gain is under your control 20:34:05 so i don't follow your "banners are silly" logic at all 20:34:32 If you'd like more sif piety for the purpose of tournament points 20:34:51 train more magical schools and/or wear faith and/or kill more enemies 20:35:13 these are things the player can choose to do, hence they're under player control 20:35:50 putting on faith is reliant on faith dropping 20:36:00 and in my experience killing dudes and training magic schools 20:36:03 does not do enough 20:36:51 well they are enough, these things have been done in my games thus far, and well before pandemonium, and faith is just one possible route 20:38:02 so what you're saying is 20:38:04 MarvinPA_: are there specific gods you'd like to see not have such easy piety gain? 20:38:11 i'm not training enough magic and killing enough dudes 20:38:12 because I'm wondering which are the main offenders there 20:38:30 if you're looking to reach ****** with sif it's probably better to make your character mainly use ranged weapons or something so you have to rest less 20:38:51 yeah that seems 20:38:55 extremely counter to the concept 20:39:13 "train only magic schools but use weapons to kill things" 20:39:14 if you want to play a "pure caster" you will have to accept that you likely wont hit ****** until very late in the game 20:39:28 I didn't say train only magic schools, training only magic schools is no longer an efficient way to get sif piety 20:39:33 yeah 20:39:38 that's not what gamma is saying tho 20:39:58 and imo getting 6* piety should not 20:40:04 require that silliness 20:40:22 yeah, playing a pure caster you'll probably reach max piety later, in the game 20:40:26 but again that's not a problem 20:40:36 -!- firemonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:40:38 s/,// 20:41:00 you don't think it's a problem that you wind up with less piety with the god of magic for being a mage? 20:41:28 i guess i can't convince you then 20:41:40 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:41:59 in the same way I don't think it's a problem that a trog worshiper who elects to use trog's abilities will have less piety than one who doesn't 20:42:03 I personally dislike that there's a mixed piety gain model at all, it should either only give piety for kills or only give piety for skills 20:42:06 !lm * type=god.maxpiety s=noun 0.19 x=avg(xl) -graph 20:42:08 16966 milestones for * (type=god.maxpiety 0.19): https://shalott.org/graphs/53d5eedb2f34acca86ca3ffc011f3588ff446ef1.html 20:42:23 gives a snapshot of where things are at 20:42:28 Doesnty: that problem also exists with vehumet and kiku 20:42:30 if I use trog's abilities, I lose piety, sometimes a lot; my goal isn't maximize piety, it's to win 20:42:46 it does 20:42:59 it's just much less visible with those two 20:43:00 since they don't soft-cap you at 5* 20:43:13 spells are directly designed to require more resting than e.g. ranged combat (for whatever reason) and piety decay exists 20:43:21 yeah 20:43:45 it's a pretty obvious consequence that e.g. ranged combat characters will get more piety than characters that use mainly spells to kill monsters 20:44:06 I should do a hunter of sif in minmay's honor sometimes 20:44:09 I really hate hunters though 20:44:22 oldsif "solved" this by having almost no piety decay 20:44:33 didn't oldsif also not give books at 5* 20:44:52 I did advocate for simple piety on kills, but there are fans (and on the dev team) of sif's unique piety model 20:45:09 getting a book gives you 40 + 0...19 time-out 20:45:12 and as such, certain tournament points will requirely slightly more awareness to get! 20:45:22 you know what else has fans? adam sandler 20:45:48 and you don't won't Adam Sandler fans to be happy? 20:45:51 *want 20:47:27 during which you only get 25% the normal piety gain wow 20:48:36 and the moment it runs out sif will try to give you a gift again i think? 20:48:46 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:48:58 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:59 no wait it'd be the next piety gain 20:49:02 -!- Brannock has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:49:03 after it runs out 20:49:05 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock 20:49:27 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:33 gammafunk: if you want to play a character in my honor it should be a DE with a rapier 20:49:49 I did a deen already though 20:50:05 actually if you guys pulled goldified spellbooks that would help for extended games at least 20:50:14 since sif would stop giving useless crap 20:50:25 infinite mp in extended is really nice 20:50:31 my howz did a zig ez 20:50:37 yeah it is 20:50:53 !lg . deen 20:50:54 4. gammafunk the Imperceptible (L25 DEEn of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-05-17 04:30:55, with 1449072 points after 88567 turns and 7:01:42. 20:51:12 even used the god that minmay once said has the best example of what a god power should b 20:51:15 e 20:51:24 I realized that I kind of suck with zin when I played hask though 20:51:33 -!- frd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:43 pretty sure in minmay's dreams duvessa is always shrouded 20:51:48 in some kind of "holy light" or something 20:51:58 with doves flying around or whatever 20:52:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:54:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:42 nah 21:00:54 is tiledef_gui.cc something you normally leave alone? I don't see it edited in the big initial commit for barachians, but it *seems* like I need to do stuff in there to make the compiler happy 21:01:28 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:34 rumflump: you mean rltiles/tiledef-gui.cc ? 21:01:50 that file is autogenerated 21:02:10 based on the entries in dc-gui.txt 21:02:15 yes, I do. hmm, ok, I did something wrong somewhere else then :D 21:02:18 http://dpaste.com/0F42A1D#wrap 21:02:29 oh, I never touched any txt files, I'll check there, thanks! 21:02:35 those files in general are used to generate most (but not all) of the code in that dir 21:02:54 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:09 I guess the stuff not autogenerated is actually in the tool subdir 21:04:03 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:04:04 -!- tw12we has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:12 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:13:24 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:15:49 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-870-g4070442: Remove some obsolete checks for smite-targeting past transparent walls 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40704424f5d7 21:17:48 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:51 does chei not post mantis posts anymore? 21:19:12 it should...I wonder if it's affected by the cert issue? 21:19:17 idea: replace the hunger cost of vamp with draining 21:19:28 maybe, i noticed the cert issue earlier 21:19:44 hrm, could be related 21:20:05 nap.kin said he'd get to fixing that within the next week, we'll have to see 21:21:02 New branch created: pull/492 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/492 21:21:02 03Gregory D. Chereshnev02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/492 * 0.20-a0-870-g4dcc0f7: Update branches.txt 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4dcc0f7df9c8 21:21:26 we are still getting an email (at least by default) whenever someone posts one 21:21:41 I really had no idea how much crawl-related email you get on the devteam 21:22:05 rip 21:22:22 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:23 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:40 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51:41 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:42 -!- yeeve has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:56:54 -!- tw12we has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:23 so i've got a stupid problem 21:57:34 i'm trying to add a monster that can move, and has statue in its name 21:57:45 fsr the game thinks it needs to auto-exclude it every time it comes into view 21:58:04 even though it isn't stationary 21:58:59 rename your monster a gargoyle 21:59:09 i probably should 21:59:58 i would get confused with by a moving statue monster and i`m pretty high iq% 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:16 time to register the name statue and splat a bunch of chars 22:01:00 since it's def. the name doing it 22:01:06 i renamed it to butt and it's fine 22:07:36 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:20 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 22:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-870-g4070442 (34) 22:10:23 how the heck would passage of golubria create alarm traps all the sudden? :p 22:10:44 were any traps added or removed 22:11:14 that on its own shouldn't do it since it specifically tries to make TRAP_GOLUBRIA 22:11:42 I must have made more trap modifications than I thought 22:17:11 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:28 that'll teach me to make vague commit messages 22:27:16 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:39 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:06 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:37:04 -!- tarabluh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:29 -!- Dracunos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:35 -!- jrw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:50 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:44 -!- illusion-znc has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:14:29 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:02 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 23:33:14 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:33:44 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:52 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:32 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:39:34 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:17 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host]