00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:12 <|amethyst> I thought alexjurkiewicz was asking about gaining XL, not gaining skill 00:00:18 oh right 00:00:20 whoops 00:00:29 !tell SteelNeuron If you want to make a PR to make walljump noisy then I'll merge it. I think we should hold off on further nerfs for a couple more weeks, though I'm favorable to the idea of having a conduct tying encumbrance to noise. Not entirely sure how confident I am in it yet, though -- it seems like it could lead to situations where players just ignore the noise penalty because armor is too helpful. 00:00:29 Maximum message length is 340 characters, but you had 391. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 00:00:31 <|amethyst> 128800 XP for an aptitude-1 species 00:00:32 i'm specifically interested in the number of cerebovs required to reach XL27 00:00:43 in that case the table is http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Experience 00:00:43 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:00:51 !tell SteelNeuron If you want to make a PR to make walljump noisy then I'll merge it. I think we should hold off on further nerfs for a couple more weeks, though I'm favorable to the idea of having a conduct tying encumbrance to noise. 00:00:52 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 00:00:55 looks like it's 97500 00:00:56 <|amethyst> so 128800 * 2**0.25 ~= 153170 00:00:58 !tell SteelNeuron Not entirely sure how confident I am in it yet, though -- it seems like it could lead to situations where players just ignore the noise penalty because armor is too helpful. 00:00:58 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 00:01:24 thanks 00:01:27 !tell SteelNeuron Also, I think between walljump and Heaven on Earth, WJC is already plenty noisy. 00:01:27 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 00:01:27 <|amethyst> oh, maybe our table is wrong? 00:01:36 <|amethyst> or maybe the one on the wiki is wrong 00:01:39 probably! 00:01:44 never trust the wiki... 00:01:47 yeah, the wiki says 97.5k 00:01:52 I don't know where the table is in the source 00:02:01 <|amethyst> !source exp_needed 00:02:01 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L3457 00:02:04 why is the max 340, anyway? Like is there a reason for that number or is it arbitrarily chosen? 00:02:06 for sequell tells 00:02:16 so it fits in one irc message 00:02:33 yeah i think freenode used to have a smaller message limit 00:02:47 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:55 i hate this freenode, i always get the verify image wrong 00:02:56 <|amethyst> %git dab8f93 00:02:57 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-2259-gdab8f93: Update a comment 10(3 years, 8 months ago, 1 file, 16+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dab8f9378439 00:03:20 nice 00:03:33 I believe there are limits in irc protocol (and the client implementations) 00:03:37 512 bytes 00:03:54 well, there we go 00:04:11 a ton of clients will send messages anyway when they don't fit in 512 bytes 00:04:13 oic 00:04:20 60 cerebovs to go from xl26 -> xl27 00:04:29 fewer servers will actually accept the entire 513+ byte message 00:04:33 wait, must be 6... 00:04:45 do they truncate or drop the message entirely? 00:04:49 yeah, 5.7 cerebovs 00:04:53 <|amethyst> truncation is pretty common 00:04:54 i have never seen it get dropped, just truncated 00:06:41 I think the limit of 340 is arbitrary, you could probably get sequell to try to send 513+ bytes with a sufficiently long nick and channel 00:07:03 48 cerebovs from xl1 to xl27 for a human 00:07:28 fortunately, I can just use multiple !tells when I can't fit the full details of my dreams in 340 characters 00:07:44 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:07:47 <|amethyst> this is really long and my client will let me send it but I have no idea where it will stop so let's see but somehow I have to come up with enough text to actually fill that many characters which is kind of tough I mean I could copy-paste gibberish several times but then it would be hard to tell where the message cuts off and you know I really have no idea how many characters I'm up to so far maybe it's close to 512 now and actually it's probably over th 00:07:57 haha 00:08:01 it cut off at "probably over th" 00:08:08 <|amethyst> :) 00:08:09 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:14 I see "probably over tha" 00:08:16 yes 00:08:17 ircii managed to receive "probably over tha" 00:08:29 I got the a as well 00:09:06 !recur !always 4 be removing 00:09:07 now change your nick to just | so you can send a longer message 00:09:07 AAAAAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABR! A-Always! A-AAAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABRAAABRABRABR!! A-A-Always!! A-A-AAABRABRABR!!! A-A-A-Always!!! A-A-A-ABR!!!! A-A-A-A-Always!!!! B-B-B-B-Be!!!! R-R-R-R-Removing!!!! A-A-A-Always!!! B-B-B-Be!!! R-R-R-Removing!!!! A-A-A-ALWAYS!!! B-B-B-BE!!! R-R-R-REMOVING!!!! A-A-Always!! A-A-ABR!!! A-A-A-... 00:09:33 the quick brown hippogriff jumped over the lazy ynoxinul 00:09:43 hm, still missing a 'f' 00:09:45 oh, nvm 00:10:21 waltz, water nymph 00:10:26 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-848-g73d9be0 (34) 00:11:09 if freenode actually supports it, you could include super secret messages to people with certain irc clients 00:11:23 ...alternatively you could pm them if you wanted to do that, i guess 00:12:50 hm I wonder if I had made that fog problem worse by messing with the constructor 00:13:08 |amethyst: i demand the rest of your message 00:13:30 <|amethyst> "...actually it's probably over that by now but I'm unsure so I'd better keeptyping for a little while longer oh gods when will it stop can I please be finished now why oh why" 00:13:44 <|amethyst> s/keeptyping/keep typing/ (was a line break) 00:15:02 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz: that constructor appears to only be used in those two places 00:15:06 <|amethyst> err 00:15:11 <|amethyst> advil: that constructor appears to only be used in those two places 00:15:15 regarding WJC encumbrance/noise thing: remember that heavier armour means you have more AC, which tends to reduce combat noise overall because you don't get hit as hard 00:15:23 |amethyst: was it called on the copy? 00:15:29 <|amethyst> no 00:15:32 ok 00:15:44 this is the sort of c++ stuff I can never remember :D 00:16:12 <|amethyst> there's a chart 00:16:33 minmay, yeah, that among a couple other reasons is why I think encumbrance-noisy wouldn't work well as a conduct 00:16:41 though I do like the idea of tying *something* to encumbrance 00:16:43 not sure what yet 00:17:00 <|amethyst> https://i.stack.imgur.com/b2VBV.png 00:17:15 <|amethyst> I guess that's a little more advanced than what you're asking about 00:17:22 <|amethyst> but still a useful chart to have! 00:17:52 thanks, that is indeed useful 00:17:57 also, overly complicated 00:18:36 what's your primary language, advil? 00:18:41 python 00:19:02 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:55 <|amethyst> advil: here is the 1-hour version of that chart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLinb2fgkHk 00:20:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:21:12 heh thanks 00:21:22 !source species-flags 00:21:22 Can't find species-flags. 00:21:26 !source species_flags 00:21:26 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/species-data.h#L10 00:23:01 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:57 !tell advil well done on cracking another mystery bug! (the cloud thing - that's stumped us when we looked at it before.) you're doing tremendous work 00:23:57 Pleasingfungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:23:58 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let advil know. 00:23:58 <|amethyst> surely SPF_CANNOT_SMELL should be a thing 00:24:09 tremendous, just tremendous 00:24:21 the most tremendous work 00:24:26 there was a specific expression i wanted to use but i forgot it 00:24:27 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:33 exquisite? exemplary? 00:24:38 !tell advil next up, you should fix 6864 :) 00:24:38 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let advil know. 00:24:40 doing NO_GOD's work? 00:24:49 thanks :-) 00:24:49 advil: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:24:57 welcome pleasingfungus 00:25:08 !bug 6864 00:25:09 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6864 00:25:17 <|amethyst> be wary 00:25:18 twelwe: how are the chat vibes? 00:25:32 oh staves 00:25:38 moderate-major 00:25:45 coming up on this bug's third anniversary 00:25:56 possibly the solution is to rewrite staves? 00:25:57 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: fourth 00:26:01 twelwe: wow! 00:26:05 <|amethyst> I was fixing something for staves, don't remember what, possibly this bug 00:26:06 god damn it, is it 2017 already? 00:26:09 at a completely unsubstantiated guess, the message for printing the staff effect comes after the game deciding to kill the monster 00:26:22 so it never gets printed 00:26:31 its 2017 and also they decided there could be a new president! 00:26:31 <|amethyst> and managed to make it so that if you killed something with a staff it stayed on the map as an invisible dead monster 00:26:35 some other new stuff too 00:26:46 patchnotes are uhh well find them on google or something 00:27:14 nice |amethyst 00:27:43 since |amethyst & advil were talking about cloud generator rewrites, i should mention that my WIP is publicly viewable 00:27:46 <|amethyst> AF_ vs staff vs brand should really all be the same thing 00:27:50 %git cloud_gen 00:27:50 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-55-gec5b5a3: Initial cloud gen Lua API 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 54+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec5b5a3f36b9 00:28:11 i`m supposed to meet someone here and i see them outside eating a fried oreo 00:28:27 people if we ever meet, you can eat your oreos in front of me 00:29:00 a fried oreo? 00:29:03 really? 00:29:04 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:29:07 ^ that particular commit might end up getting removed... the key thing i was stuck on was figuring out how to go from a line in a vault (say, KCLOUD) to one of the c++ cloud generators in that branch 00:29:12 Pleasingfungus, I thought you were converting it into C++ and not Lua? 00:29:16 yes 00:29:26 alexjurkiewicz, you are very clearly not American. we love to fry *everything* 00:29:46 alexjurkiewicz, my home state has a delicacy called "deep fried cheese curds" 00:29:48 <|amethyst> I was thinking twelwe must be in Scotland 00:29:48 it is fantastic 00:29:50 that's a lua API for the new C++ cloud generators 00:29:50 apparently you can even get smoked ice cream 00:29:50 rumflump: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:29:54 thank you but fried things exist outside usa 00:29:56 but it wasn't useful 00:30:00 everything!! 00:30:02 <|amethyst> but I guess those are Mars bars, not oreos 00:30:02 i`m in burien just south of seattle 00:30:07 :o:o:o 00:30:11 alexjurkiewicz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Coke 00:30:13 my first crawl project (like a year ago) was this: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/6290753/14384924/beecef50-fd6b-11e5-9633-bff23c525c7a.png 00:30:19 some day I'll return to elemental damage 00:30:21 the good stuff.... 00:30:31 that was your *first* project? 00:30:38 CanOfWorms: i'm never visiting your country EVER 00:30:41 mine was moving files around and then adding a new message line 00:30:44 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:45 Brannock: I just wanted to fix a qazlal bug 00:30:46 sometimes you can get fried vegetables like rice 00:30:49 it spiraled out of control 00:30:53 but today its oreos i guess 00:31:05 all of american southern cuisine is actually just the byproducts of people trying to find the most creative way to kill yourself with food 00:31:10 advil: oh hey, I was re-discovering that chart on the weekend trying to add achievements for attacking a monster with an element it was resistant to 00:31:14 alexjurkiewicz: i'm not american! :v 00:31:23 there is no other explanation for fried chocolate bourbon balls 00:31:42 one explanation for fried food is: mistakes 00:31:51 heh that sounds actually quite hard to do alexjurkiewicz 00:31:52 CanOfWorms: after being condescending to kiwis, the second favourite racism of australians is pretending we can't tell the difference between usa and ca to canadians 00:31:56 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-848-g73d9be0 (34) 00:32:09 canada is practically a satellite, anyway 00:32:12 like there were chocolate burboun balls and there were frying pans and somehow it like got mixed up 00:32:14 Brannock: the bug seemed really simple, qazlal wasn't triggering on elemental resists from spell damage 00:32:15 yeah... "pretending".... 00:32:17 little did I know 00:32:32 advil: yeah, usually by the time you're determining if the condition is true the functions no longer care about the damage source 00:32:39 I like that there's an _ignite_poison_monster and an _ignite_poison_player 00:32:43 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:32:45 heh, 0.20 is currently listed both as 'development branch' and 'longterm development' in mantis 00:32:53 I wonder if that could be refactored into monster::ignite_poison / player::ignite_poison? 00:32:56 my favourite disgusting southern recipe is shoo-fly pie 00:33:12 Brannock: probably! 00:33:21 it's literally just a molasses pie 00:33:22 -!- n1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33:22 all sorts of semi-confused OO stuff in that chart 00:33:34 <|amethyst> possibly but I'm not sure that's a good idea 00:33:46 <|amethyst> also, it's not _ignite_poison_monster, but _ignite_poison_monsters 00:34:14 so it is 00:34:14 <|amethyst> then again, I guess you can't have two monsters on one tile 00:34:23 <|amethyst> and it does take a coord_def 00:34:24 or can you 00:34:29 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:34 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz: you can have a player and a monster, but not two monsters 00:34:52 <|amethyst> the data structures don't have room for two 00:34:52 just to be clear I have no idea what I'm doing code-wise and I only hack things together so you shouldn't take any of my suggestions seriously. 00:35:01 none of 'em. 00:36:51 Inner Flame doesn't trigger fire conducts 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10969 by PleasingFungus 00:36:51 'Health' not contextually shortened to 'HP' for spectators 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10968 by PleasingFungus 00:37:44 usually in that graph when you get _x_player and _x_monster, it's because the actual casting code is entirely different for each; so it's not _really_ the kind of thing that crawlcode encapsulates on actor subclasses 00:38:11 I see 00:38:24 freeze is like that too 00:38:37 and refrigerate 00:41:47 btw what about that move to github issues hey 00:42:01 Shafted monsters don't lose temporary statuses 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10971 by PleasingFungus 00:42:01 Demonspawn mutations that conflict with temp mutations crash the game 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10970 by PleasingFungus 00:42:01 Is 10955 resolved? 00:42:29 alexjurkiewicz: iirc, last time this came up, we put up a github issues page, which essentially no one has used. 00:42:35 that Ds bug is good 00:42:45 it's a fun mess of tangled code paths 00:42:52 not sure what the best way to sort it out is 00:43:01 10955 is resolved, yeah 00:43:06 duplicate of another bug that advil fixed 00:43:13 I fixed the powers screen 00:43:21 %git 06be174581876 00:43:21 07advil02 * 0.20-a0-838-g06be174: Reword WJC powers screen so it doesn't overflow on 80x24 (zackoid) 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06be17458187 00:43:26 that looks like there's a display issue on another screen though 00:43:32 oh 00:43:36 I think I reported that first screen, yeah 00:43:41 linebreaks on the overview screen 00:44:55 hmm, working on that right now 00:48:35 !source uppercase_first 00:48:36 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stringutil.cc#L90 00:48:45 !source which_god 00:48:45 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/state.h#L26 00:48:48 !lm Euph0ria crash 00:48:50 No milestones for Euph0ria (crash). 00:48:52 hm 00:48:54 !lm Euph0ria 00:48:55 2385. [2017-02-22 06:34:32] Euph0ria the Shield-Bearer (L5 GrFi of Okawaru) became a worshipper of Okawaru on turn 2197. (D:4) 00:49:10 !lm Euph0ria cao 00:49:11 1916. [2017-02-22 06:34:32] Euph0ria the Shield-Bearer (L5 GrFi of Okawaru) became a worshipper of Okawaru on turn 2197. (D:4) 00:50:34 is there any penalty for walljumping in shallow water? 00:51:09 is there a way to select a random element from an enum class? 00:51:35 alexjurkiewicz, look at the hacky solutions for Draconian/Demonspawn 00:51:53 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz: no, unless you make sure they're contiguous and then do casting back and forth to int 00:52:21 twelwe: you'll still have fumbling attacks, don't know about wall jump speed 00:52:45 fumbling attack when you land, or when you jump from, shallow water? 00:52:46 *the speed is if you land in the water 00:53:16 I don't think there's any penalties if you jump from water 00:53:32 I guess I can quickly test that 00:54:44 actually looks like wall jump does take move speed time 00:55:01 wait nevermind 00:55:49 dang 00:57:03 nevermind 00:57:41 it's just base move speed regardless of whether you're in water at the start or at the end 00:57:50 so no water penalties 00:58:03 "webtiles are not supported on Windows" 00:58:10 guess I'm compiling this to console then 00:58:56 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:58:58 -!- tw12we has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:27 |amethyst: how can I select element "2" from an enum class? 01:00:33 my_class[1] ? 01:01:12 <|amethyst> static_cast(1) or more vulgarly (my_class) 1 01:01:32 <|amethyst> though I should point out "enum class" isn't actually a class 01:01:39 of course 01:01:48 that would be too obvious :D 01:05:10 Cerebov, Demon Lord of Fire and Steel comes into view. It is wielding a great 01:05:13 _serpentine sword {flame}. 01:05:19 x-v 01:05:19 A violent and wrathful demon, Cerebov appears as a giant humanoid covered in 01:05:20 shining golden armour and wielding a huge twisted sword. 01:05:25 LORE INCONSISTENCY! 01:07:04 ? 01:07:16 serpentine vs twisted, I guess 01:07:51 can't it be both 01:07:58 a twisted snake 01:08:13 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-849-g77b00a3: Fix a Zin recite comment (10944) 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77b00a394b1b 01:08:24 those seem like synonyms to me 01:08:59 fr: cerebov wields a kebab instead of a sword 01:09:07 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-850-ge5a7832: Fix WJC overview screen (10955) 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5a783200007 01:10:19 what monsters are >=30 HD? 01:10:40 oof! 01:10:51 fwoosh! ZOOM! 01:11:12 borb is the only one i know, as well 01:11:12 actually, that makes me think about how the blind players will receive Wu Jian 01:11:24 did you know that very ugly things have equal hd to golden dragons 01:11:30 lol 01:11:34 they're VERY ugly. 01:11:36 since WJC is so positioning heavy, playing with it with a screen reader seems extra timeconsuming 01:11:38 hd is weird 01:11:41 code i have just written: wrixlan_aspect new_aspect = static_cast(static_cast(wrixlan_aspect::NUM_ASPECTS))); 01:11:52 I wouldn't know anything about that though as I'm deaf so it's an entirely different sphere 01:11:58 no hablo ingles 01:12:08 did you static cast a static cast? 01:12:24 did I? is that bad? I wanted to show you some good code 01:12:37 it's very pointless 01:12:49 it honestly looks like you could just take out both static casts 01:12:50 what is a wrixlan_aspect 01:13:08 that's for me to know and devs to reject the PR for 01:13:23 everyone's so secretive about what they're working on 01:13:38 elemental species 01:13:42 basically 01:13:58 I wonder if it isn't because we tend to collectively shoot down ideas unless they're already mostly/completely implemented 01:14:10 i'm very open about my ideas! 01:14:14 just read my 600 page TODO 01:14:29 oh yeah, i should go through with renaming froggos 01:14:30 again 01:14:31 I know that in the past I've tried to not talk about stuff until I was done coding them. in retrospective, that seems unhealthy 01:14:34 i wonder if that'll require any sequell changes 01:15:05 well if it's a species you can just get it pulled into yiufcrawl 01:15:15 I'm not working in secret, but yes, it's hard to get a clear answer on whether one should bother making a PR or not :) 01:15:35 as a submiter, I feel like if any dev expressed a non-positive opinion on a PR, it will result in the PR being ignored for months before another dev decides to look at it, and then they may just accept it with minor changes 01:15:47 MPA asleep, submit PRs quick 01:16:28 well the dev team seems to be collectively very busy right now which is creating a very scattered consensus (if any can be obtained in the first place) 01:16:35 plus the whole Weight of History 01:16:53 readme.md: For large changes, it's always a good idea to talk with the dev team first, to see if any plans already exist and if your suggestion is likely to be accepted. 01:16:56 indeed 01:18:45 anyway, i'll try to write up a gdd topic on the species 01:18:55 I really wish someone would go ahead and reorganize tavern 01:19:07 I want to use tavern. 01:19:13 it's a good resource and a good official discussion spot 01:19:19 <|amethyst> Brannock: like Sherman reorganized Georgia 01:19:21 rm -rf, rebuild with a better grand plan :D 01:19:34 there's just too many dead boards, DCA is awful, and the culture is on the negative side 01:19:48 heh 01:20:02 that's an understatement 01:20:17 just make the whole forum cyc 01:21:00 i thought it already was =p 01:21:09 that's part of the problem, kinda 01:21:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:50 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:23:55 ??whip 01:23:55 whip[1/1]: (maces & flails; +2 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A long plaited strip of leather. 01:24:35 New branch created: barachi (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/barachi 01:24:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[barachi] * 0.20-a0-850-gdbda4d6: Barachians -> Barachim 10(5 minutes ago, 6 files, 14+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dbda4d660e6a 01:24:58 theres a proposal for reorganizing it in suggestions & criticism 01:24:58 Singular Barachi, plural Barachim? 01:25:02 ya 01:25:10 hellmonk, yes I liked that proposal and asked about it a couple times. tavern mods said there wasn't energy for it 01:25:56 Pleasingfungus, I like "Barachim". It's a very Gnostic feel to it, which fits with the overall theme (and the Hebrew pun) 01:26:15 Also CHIM jokes 01:29:35 will probably push tomorrow 01:29:40 gotta give time for code review, you know... 01:30:08 I've been trying to figure out who sent me two scarf suggestions today 01:30:09 no results in ##crawl or -dev 01:30:24 I think I was PMed but accidentally lost it when rebooting client? 01:30:45 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:30:46 one suggestion was "Scarf of Angels" that was rN+, +Fly, and another property? 01:31:04 overly obvious/lazy suggestion would be a halo 01:31:06 so don't do that 01:31:27 I haven't been able to find these suggestions so I'm getting paranoid that I accidentally hallucinated it 01:31:29 maybe a weak lifesaving effect? 01:31:32 so if anyone remembers seeing that, let mek know 01:31:50 Pleasingfungus, like the Elyvilon effect? 01:32:56 i feel like all the good gods have some kind of lifesaving? i could be making that up 01:33:09 I think it's just Elyvilon and Xom. Maybe Zin 01:33:17 I don't play with good gods ever so I'm just talking out my ass 01:33:56 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23198 was a surprisingly informative and useful thread. not sure what I'll do with it, though 01:34:15 obviously not all these suggestions will be accepted, but I think I can fix some of the more egregious stuff 01:34:28 Lord Egregious would be a good cartoon villain name 01:35:52 the comments about mutations are very characteristic 01:36:00 haha, yes 01:36:28 I think xom *has* been neglected over the last few versions. actions/amusement sources keep getting whittled down 01:37:36 sad! 01:37:46 really, in general, I think a lot of the "neat" stuff has been whittled down and need rebuilding back up 01:37:54 the mutation roster outside Ds/Ru is very sad right now 01:38:12 of course, sticking within good Crawl design philosophies 01:38:23 !tell lasty what do you think of sorting the race columns alphabetically? (like, alphabetical within each column?) I know i brought it up earlier but iirc we didn't really discuss it 01:38:24 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 01:39:47 !tell lasty my concern is that the complexity/approachability difference *between* columns is fuzzy; the rankings *within* columns are beyond arbitrary... 01:39:47 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 01:39:48 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:13 I think it's good to have Hill Orc (and Human) at the top 01:40:28 why 01:40:30 absolutely no justifiable reason beyond tradition and gut feeling 01:40:38 can't argue with that 01:40:58 for similar reasons, Mummy at bottom 01:41:00 !tell rast monsters can cast all spells while inside nets; robin throwing goblins while netted isn't a bug 01:41:01 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let rast know. 01:41:18 this is why mu should be its own column :) 01:41:21 yeah but throwing shouldnt be considered a spell 01:41:21 Rast: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:41:27 Mummy: Mummy 01:41:32 i don't see any particular reason why being netted would prevent it 01:41:45 you can't throw missiles while netted 01:41:48 does crawl meaningfully differentiate between 'spell' and 'ability'? 01:42:14 No. But I think this could do with being special cased 01:42:24 what's the gain here? 01:42:51 <|amethyst> wouldn't it be better just to allow throwing missiles while netted? 01:42:54 the gain is that you can net robin to make her stop throwing gobbos at you 01:43:05 |amethyst, that would be pretty strong 01:43:05 for a few turns, at least 01:43:19 it seems like a weird special case to me 01:43:33 i'm not excited by it 01:43:37 <|amethyst> Rast: compared to being able to fire stone arrow or whatever? 01:43:44 hmm 01:43:50 fair enough 01:43:52 !messages 01:43:53 (1/1) Pleasingfungus said (2m 52s ago): monsters can cast all spells while inside nets; robin throwing goblins while netted isn't a bug 01:44:14 also i never figured out how you teleported into that aquarium 01:44:21 it's still on my list but i probably won't figure it out any time soon 01:44:26 Did I have a bug report for that? 01:44:29 i did learn that aquarium vaults are really complex 01:44:32 you reported it to me somewhere 01:44:36 at some point 01:44:41 or maybe someone told me about it 01:44:49 iirc I teleported back out and didn't die 01:45:01 No worried 01:45:05 *worries 01:45:11 lol 01:45:23 i really wonder what vault it was 01:48:29 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 01:49:14 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:51:48 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:02 you can't throw anything while in a net 01:52:10 you can throw errors 01:52:15 ok fair 01:52:22 you can also shoot needles out of a blowgun 01:52:32 by that logic it seems really silly to let robin throw entire goblins 01:52:52 robin is psychic and flings them with the power of her goblinoid brain 01:53:11 where is the god to throw hobgoblins back? 01:55:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:31 twelwe: http://alcyius.com/dndtools/classes/hulking-hurler/index.html 01:56:52 hulking, you say? 01:57:06 complete warrior was so silly 01:58:57 heres a story with a happy ending for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExED_i3k0iQ 01:59:26 monkey grip 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:04 which never saw the light of day in future editions, but warlock did 02:00:26 complete arcane came from behind to break two whole future editions 02:00:27 -!- sooheon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:44 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:50 -!- Writ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:08:45 -!- dextur has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:10:12 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-850-ge5a7832 (34) 02:12:02 jian walljump bug: http://i.imgur.com/dAw7g5v.png if i try to walljump here, it prompts me with an exclusion warning 02:13:18 <|amethyst> !bug 10948 02:13:18 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10948 02:13:47 i noticed that comment bug about being put into exclusion as well 02:16:15 february?? how old is this god 02:16:49 <|amethyst> !lg * explbr=council_god 1 02:16:50 No games for * (explbr=council_god). 02:16:57 <|amethyst> !lg * explbr=councilgod 1 02:17:01 1/473. cbrotest the Skirmisher (L1 MiMo), quit the game on D:1 on 2016-11-22 03:03:19, with 7 points after 54 turns and 0:00:14. 02:17:08 wu jian goes back to at least november iirc 02:17:18 was in discussion since september I think? 02:17:27 took a while to code up and then get experimental branched 02:17:37 damn thats like 3 dog years 02:19:49 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23:17 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:27 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:26:04 -!- Warrigal has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:31 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:37 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:42:07 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:32 The build has errored. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:08 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:04:21 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:05:31 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:15 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:16:07 -!- rhovland has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:26:03 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-850-ge5a7832 (34) 03:31:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:16 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:39:52 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:41:25 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:44:00 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:20 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:59:18 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:31 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:09:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:12:10 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:17:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:11 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:24:35 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:29:31 -!- ByronJohnson has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:02 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:41:12 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:47:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:55:49 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:57:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:58:30 -!- wasd64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:59:20 !source is_resting 04:59:21 1/3. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/delay.h#L552 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:11 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:02:43 if I want something to not happen during resting, do I want `if (!is_resting())` or do I want `if (!you.running.rest())`? 05:19:35 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:21:12 mods asleep? 05:21:36 ad spam in GDD, fwiw 05:31:17 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35:58 -!- hittemvvvmobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41:06 * rumflump posts ponies 05:43:10 Enemies killed by Drain Life produce hostile enslaved souls. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10972 by Ololoev 05:44:27 !source random_near_space 05:44:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/teleport.cc#L471 05:51:53 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:54:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:24 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:58 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:11:21 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:17:37 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:34 -!- Ystah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:47 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:29:25 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:12 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:28 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:26 -!- hittemvvmobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:08:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 07:19:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:29 ??ZP 07:22:29 zot points[1/3]: Currency in the latest versions of zot defense. Spent with your zot abilities, gained as you level up, to build traps and perform other useful tasks in order to defend the orb. You gain it along with experience points when you or your allies or traps make kills. 07:26:08 ??glamour 07:26:08 glamour[1/1]: An ability grey elves received in old versions of crawl at xl 5. It tried to confuse, paralyze, charm, or scare nearby humanoids. It sucked. 07:42:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:43:23 it would seem the answer to my question is: use !is_resting(), but that forces you to include travel.h in spl-transloc.cc 07:46:40 which is probably fine to do? 07:47:04 I've added things to header files, but I've never added header files to things. it compiles and runs though :D 07:48:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:55:23 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:00 -!- adelrune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:03:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:43 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:18:15 sure, that shouldn't be a problem at all :) 08:18:28 including a header file to a source file quite literally pastes all the code from the former on the latter 08:18:47 and header guards (or #pragma once) makes sure this never causes a duplication 08:19:12