00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:20 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/482 * 0.20-a0-800-g0fb036b: Remove temperature even more thoroughly (amalloy) 10(2 hours ago, 7 files, 12+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0fb036b03ea6 00:00:20 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/482 * 0.20-a0-801-g950bcd4: Factor species changing out of wizmode (amalloy) 10(41 minutes ago, 6 files, 142+ 115-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/950bcd410c28 00:01:03 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:32 despite my newfound awesome power I feel like this particular PR is comprehensive enough that more eyes wouldn't be the worst idea 00:02:49 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-795-ga03948b (34) 00:05:01 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.5-0-gee3d8be 00:08:00 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:40 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10:42 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11:56 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:20 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 00:32:35 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:18 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:41:39 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/482 * 0.20-a0-802-gd0c48ba: Drain drain_mp (amalloy) 10(4 minutes ago, 6 files, 4+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0c48ba8652f 00:43:00 seen in that commit 00:43:01 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/god-wrath.cc#L955 00:43:13 shouldn't it just be drain_mp(you.magic_points) 00:44:14 that is not great, but I did check and it takes max with 0 00:47:08 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:15 I guess that was part of the djinn patch, so I ought to fix it 00:48:49 (the 100 thing, that is) 00:49:43 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:23 no, it's even older 00:51:58 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/482 * 0.20-a0-803-ga55e532: Avoid arbitrary big numbers (alexjurkiewicz) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a55e532329ca 00:53:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:55:58 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:55 advil: thanks for those builds 00:56:56 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:57:13 np 00:57:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 00:57:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:36 I'm not sure anyone else has tried them yet 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:29 alexjurkiewicz: that line you noticed is pre-dcss 01:00:57 I can ask again for os x testers tomorrow 01:01:03 need to do the other builds 01:04:54 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:05:44 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.5-0-gee3d8be (34) 01:08:37 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:20:02 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-795-ga03948b (34) 01:20:56 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31:49 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:23 advil: rip more of our history 01:39:30 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:57 the best thing is that number isnt even big enough anymore 01:40:00 because of octopodes 01:40:52 secret tech, wear 8 rings of magical power when you abandon sif as an xl27 octopode so that you still have some mp after she drains it 01:41:58 jian is a good ranged god too 01:42:22 !tell pleasingfungus when i said 8los works in console i forgot that when los went from 8 to 7, the default message area size was increased...so now 8los doesn't work in 80x24 console by default 01:42:23 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:42:34 get some stealth, jump around a bit when they get close, shoot away 01:42:47 !tell pleasingfungus reducing the default message area size for just frogs is kinda silly but probably a good idea 01:42:47 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:43:11 wu jian is a good everything god since you get a huge movespeed boost at 2* 01:43:38 formicid + polearms = unlimited safe kiting 01:47:57 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47:58 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:19 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-795-ga03948b 02:03:44 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:45 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:07:15 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:47 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:54 -!- JoeltCo has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:22:04 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 02:25:59 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:58 -!- eb has quit [] 02:48:09 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51:53 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:55:28 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-795-ga03948b 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:07:45 -!- Ystah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08:41 -!- moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:09:53 Hello to all! 03:09:53 moritz_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:10:01 !messages 03:10:02 (1/1) Pleasingfungus said (10h 26m 56s ago): for roguelikes that do more of the 'rpg part', try Caves of Qud - there's a free ascii version you can download from their site and it sounds right up your alley 03:11:24 !tell Pleasingfungus Interesting! Thank you! I will check it out. 03:11:24 moritz_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 03:12:00 -!- moritz_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:13:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:16:15 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:48 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:03 the paid version has a lot more stuff going on than the free one though 03:24:55 !tell Brannock how do you feel about rolling out a couple of WJC nerfs? Are we already past the honeymoon period? ;) 03:24:55 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:24:55 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 03:24:59 !messages 03:24:59 (1/1) johnstein said (3h 52m 23s ago): sure I think I can get your skeletons in. I need to do some tweaking on the experimental setup though. Maybe this weekend. Not sure yet. but definitely something I can do. 03:26:56 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19.5-0-gee3d8be 03:27:51 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:29:35 something is using all of cbro's cpu 03:31:41 ah, it's UltimateCarl, who is holding 5 in temple on a mummy presumably to get the world to end 03:32:19 -!- dextur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:34:15 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:34:54 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 03:35:08 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:48 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 03:38:19 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:40:02 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:41:15 -!- dextur has quit [Client Quit] 03:42:44 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:42:54 oh 03:43:01 i was wondering why it was lagging so bad 03:43:15 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:22 you know, when we did apocalypserobin, I rationalized it with the logic that this way nobody would ever need to do it again in the future 04:14:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:14:43 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:13 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:13 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32:31 -!- Thorbinator has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 04:35:58 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:58 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:28 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:35 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:54:50 haha 04:54:54 well, apparently he's still doing it 04:55:01 judging from the continued lag 04:55:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:55 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:45 -!- wasd64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:23:27 -!- HolyRage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:37 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:35:13 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 05:40:59 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:45 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:32 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:14:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:26:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:19 -!- SteelNeuron_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:39 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:32:48 -!- moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:09 Hi to all! 06:35:32 !tell amethyst Hey hey! I watched the video on youtube about roguelike-accessibility. It is a very good one cause it points out all the important stuff. Have you watched it too? 06:35:32 Sorry moritz_, I don't know who amethyst is. 06:36:07 !tell |amethyst Hey hey! I watched the video on youtube about roguelike-accessibility. It is a very good one cause it points out all the important stuff. Have you watched it too? 06:36:08 moritz_: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:36:34 !tell |amethyst The link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_8sHtr62Bo 06:36:34 moritz_: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:37:32 -!- moritz_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:38:52 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:31 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:39:38 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:18 Council text doesn't fit 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10955 by jejorda2 06:58:38 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:28 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:06:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:17 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:22:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:28:44 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39:57 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:41:12 -!- jbenedet1o has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:43:08 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:04 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:40 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:48 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:48:03 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:14 https://2ch.hk/vg/src/21163202/14883727088010.png //what the actual fuck, a hydra on d:1 07:58:06 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:58:09 !lg pisechka -log 07:58:10 2. pisechka, XL1 MiFi, T:11: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/pisechka/morgue-pisechka-20170301-125342.txt 08:00:01 looks like it maybe came from onia_arrival_zoo_common and somehow got out 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:52 vaults are not my thing so it's not obvious how that would happen, but that vault can place hydras (in that rectangular block in the middle) 08:01:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:02:28 The funniest thing is that this is a new player. 08:02:33 And he gets this. 08:03:05 looks like a teleport trap generated inside the vault? 08:03:12 The teleport trap disappears. The eight-headed hydra disappears! 08:03:27 ah good call 08:04:20 what does the #endif wayyyyy at the bottom of player.h connect to? what's it ending? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.h#L1183 08:04:43 !source player.h:1144 08:04:43 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.h#L1144 08:04:49 that's going to go away 08:04:54 when I merge my PR 08:05:05 oh, I see what happened 08:05:14 I already removed the #if 08:05:16 git merge has trouble with that #endif 08:05:44 and then cherry pick brought the endif back all by itself 08:06:15 thanks 08:07:18 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:07 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:24 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:13:54 Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19.5-0-gee3d8be 08:16:35 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:18:26 for anyone following along with the accessibility stuff, this post is a really interesting description from a visually impaired person of interacting with crawl: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299767#p299767 08:19:27 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:30 seems like there could be some simple improvements to make x a bit more consistent in ways we wouldn't even pay attention to 08:23:35 -!- moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:16 hi 08:24:52 also I'm curious how important it is to not "leak" to the player whether they'r near a level boundary or not. (with global coords or something like that) 08:25:07 03Kyle Rawlins02 07* 0.20-a0-796-g7b26b0f: Add no_trap_gen to an arrival vault (pisechka, Xenobreeder, escu) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b26b0f4fd24 08:25:13 hi moritz_ 08:25:32 because in the youtube video and the podcast, autoexplore sounds really disorienting 08:25:46 suddenly, you're *somewhere*, and there's enemies, but no context at all 08:27:00 moritz_: fyi most devs are in US time zones, so it's sometimes a bit quiet when you've stopped by, but people are paying attention (we have logs of the channel) 08:27:08 Yeah, true, but for most battlesituations it is not completely nessesary. 08:27:32 it's probably worth checking through all of the other "terrarium" vaults for no_trap_gen 08:28:07 are you near a safe place that you already cleared? deep in unexplored territory? those stairs you saw a bit ago - if you had your global coords and had heard the stair's global coords recently, that'd give you a good idea whether you can maybe stair dance or not 08:28:09 escu: yeah...this seems to be a perennial bug so some of them are ok but I didn't do a thorough check 08:29:25 moritz_: I also found your thread on audiogames, and I think arnold18's description of interacting with the map via x is really helpful to get a sense for what could be improved 08:29:36 like, adding a text description in x for the @ symbol is completely doable 08:29:59 but would never occur to a sighted person without seeing this discussion I think :-) 08:30:40 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:31:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:31:44 -!- kobby has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32:25 Yeah, thats another point i was thinking about. Maybe it would be helpful to switch through all important things like walls doors and monsters and getting their coordinates. Coordinates would help us to get an impression of the room size and so on. But i am not sure how good it would work cause of the shapes of the rooms. 08:32:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:26 <|amethyst> "Uskayaw will force your foes to helplessly split infinitives." 08:33:26 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:36:46 oh I see why the mailmap missed that, my default email is my work email 08:36:58 that's dumb 08:38:37 Would it be possible to seperate rooms from coridors? Not realy i think. 08:39:24 moritz_: I don't think so. Map layouts are extremely varied, it isn't like nethack or rogue 08:40:12 Yeah and thats why it would be hard to create a textual explanation for enviroments. 08:40:16 03advil02 07* 0.20-a0-796-g13927d1: Add no_trap_gen to an arrival vault (pisechka, Xenobreeder, escu) 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13927d17fdb7 08:40:28 there we go 08:40:34 -!- freechips has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:41:14 <|amethyst> hm 08:41:16 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:41:23 <|amethyst> are you not in the mailmap? 08:41:34 I am, but I had my git default email set to the wrong email 08:41:53 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^ 08:41:53 07advil02 {GitHub} * 0.20-a0-795-ga03948b: Fix up some links in the new developer docs 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a03948bedda7 08:41:54 and was committing from a clean clone 08:42:09 <|amethyst> oh 08:42:10 on this particular computer, I think 08:42:55 github itself has the right email but I had git config set strangely 08:43:32 moritz_: yeah, it'd be a big project to make a text description general enough to be useful. But there might be some simple things that could be doable. 08:44:02 Correct, yes. 08:44:26 <|amethyst> hmm... #496 says we're still generating black on black text with the default options 08:44:43 <|amethyst> but that should really have been converted to blue on black 08:44:45 it's an interesting problem in natural language generation (which is sort of what I do in my day job) so I'll think about it some more 08:45:04 <|amethyst> ohh 08:45:09 -!- sneaky has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:12 <|amethyst> it's 0.19 08:45:32 496? 08:45:38 <|amethyst> err 08:45:41 <|amethyst> 469 08:45:44 <|amethyst> on github 08:45:50 ohh github issues 08:45:51 Is there an option we can enable so that you can use mapnavigations even with monsters in sight? 08:45:52 <|amethyst> (I thought we had disabled issue creation) 08:46:40 <|amethyst> moritz_: runrest_ignore_monster ^= .*:1 08:47:09 aaah interesting! 08:47:14 <|amethyst> moritz_: says to ignore all monsters (anything matching the regex .*) as long as they are at least 1 square away (that is, always) 08:47:15 that setting might not be safe though (in that you could/probably will take damage at some point) 08:47:18 -!- sneaky has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:29 oh maybe I'm wrong 08:47:31 <|amethyst> I think taking damage should make you stop anyway, but haven't tested 08:47:34 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:47:52 -!- sneaky has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:55 <|amethyst> but it will be perfectly happy to make you walk directly into an executioner 08:48:27 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48:37 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48:59 yeah, maybe. But i will check this out. 08:51:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:12 The build has errored. (master - 7b26b0f #7994 : Kyle Rawlins): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/206599327 08:51:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:51:32 I think travis is still not back from the s3 outage 08:58:33 it'd be nice to support a different terminal somehow on the OS X console build, then one answer to that issue could have been "try iTerm instead" 08:59:08 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "support" 08:59:28 <|amethyst> you can run Crawl under iTerm just fine 08:59:41 <|amethyst> but this person knows how to change the colour settings 08:59:45 <|amethyst> see their last picture 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:25 Is there a selection command for the nearest doorway? 09:00:26 <|amethyst> I took it more as a bug report on others' behalf "*I* know how to fix it, but most Mac users don't" 09:00:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:00:48 <|amethyst> moritz_: there is not 09:01:32 <|amethyst> only for monsters, objects, traps, altars, upstairs, downstairs, shops/portals, and the player 09:01:34 Maybe this would be good to have cause doorways are important waypoints. 09:02:49 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:55 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:49 |amethyst: the .app version loads OS X terminal automatically. iTerm is fine if you run from the command line, which you can do with the .app version if you know how, but not by double clicking afaik 09:03:58 <|amethyst> hm 09:04:03 <|amethyst> is iTerm installed by default? 09:04:07 no 09:04:15 it's a third party thing 09:04:44 <|amethyst> hm 09:05:08 <|amethyst> I guess we could have mac/crawl check for iTerm and use that if present, otherwise fall back to Terminal 09:05:35 yeah 09:05:53 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:06:19 |amethyst: btw do you have the ability to promote me on mantis? 09:08:46 <|amethyst> yes... after I do so you might want to go into your options and select "Ignore Access-Level E-mails"; I don't remember what that controls exactly, but it's a lot of mail 09:08:51 <|amethyst> iirc 09:08:57 heh ok 09:09:04 -!- SteelNeuron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09:08 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:09:35 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-796-g13927d1 (34) 09:10:19 <|amethyst> advil: okay, you are a developer now. Let me know if you need something higher than that at some point, but probably it isn't necessary 09:10:58 thanks! probably not, just want to add related links & close issues sometimes 09:13:09 <|amethyst> we have two people at "manager", in between "developer" and "administrator" 09:13:15 <|amethyst> I have no idea what the differences are 09:14:02 <|amethyst> there's probably somewhere I can look that up, but that mantis admin UI is so ugly and 1990s that I just want to close the window instead 09:14:34 <|amethyst> I mean, the rest of the mantis UI is also ugly, but at least reporting and viewing issues is ugly and familiar at this point 09:14:44 heh 09:15:27 it looks like its all very customizable 09:16:07 I suspect the manager/administrator levels let you grant and manipulate privileges, since I don't have an interface for that 09:21:54 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:01 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:02 What would be the exact line for runrest_ignore_monster so i can use traveling in any case? 09:24:15 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:13 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:30 -!- sooheon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:31:39 <|amethyst> hm 09:32:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:33:10 <|amethyst> apparently starting travel doesn't pay attention to runrest_ignore_monster 09:33:46 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:34:15 -!- rumflump has quit [Quit: rumflump] 09:34:59 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:06 Aaah, so there is no way to use travelingcommands if monsters are in sight? 09:36:58 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:15 -!- Brannock has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:37:16 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock 09:37:43 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:58 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:38:22 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:31 -!- flow has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:57 I thought a little about the map-problem: Would it be possible to present the "x"map on an empty screen with out all the other details? Maybe this would be better for us to check out the map with the screenreader. 09:43:10 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:47:04 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:49:29 do any of y'all use an IDE? a friend was raving about a particular python IDE, which has me wondering if that might improve editing crawl 09:50:14 I use sublime text, that's it 09:50:14 Brannock: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:51:07 !tell SteelNeuron is the god actually, for real, too strong? I haven't seen any indication of that yet. I'd like to fix the wall jump abuse but I don't think anything else needs to be done yet. 09:51:08 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 09:53:00 Have to go now. Bye to all 09:53:07 -!- moritz_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 09:55:26 so on the first turn I entered vaults:5 i cast heaven on earth and instantly gained 17 slaying 09:55:38 i then cleared the floor in one invocation of heaven on earth 09:55:47 !log chequers 09:55:47 2000. chequers, XL11 MfGl, T:9159: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/chequers/morgue-chequers-20170222-053640.txt 09:55:52 oh is this game still going? 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:32 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:05:15 yeah, I wish wjc didn't have a speed/kiting advantage, but sans that it seems pretty great. chequers idea of killing the slaying boost might be good medicine too 10:10:36 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:13:10 !lm * lo|dj alive_all x=cdist(gid) !cszo !ckr !rhf s=crace,src 10:13:27 1402 milestones for * (((lo || dj)) alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf): 1013x Lava Orc (776x cao [125], 111x cue [11], 69x cbro [10], 57x cdo [4]), 389x Djinni (227x cao [23], 149x cue [4], 13x cdo [2]) 10:17:06 Brannock: nice, I wasn't ready to admit publicly that I'm using sublime text, but now I can! http://turnoff.us/image/en/to-vi-or-not-to-vi.png 10:17:38 I don't have any particular interest in what people use. If it works, great! If there's a faster/more efficient way to do it, then great! 10:18:00 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:38 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:18:49 Hi Brannock 10:18:49 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:18:52 !messages 10:18:53 (1/1) Brannock said (27m 45s ago): is the god actually, for real, too strong? I haven't seen any indication of that yet. I'd like to fix the wall jump abuse but I don't think anything else needs to be done yet. 10:19:19 I wouldn't necessarily say the good is too strong, but some options seem a bit overcentralising 10:19:27 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:53 I'm looking at a couple martial attack changes that should open up more options, but more importantly would make tab not strictly inferior to everything else, which I think is healthy in the long run 10:20:40 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:20 as for heaven on earth, I think it would be cool (if a bit devilish) to give the player -1 AC for each +2 Slay 10:21:26 !lm * lo|dj alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${.}: ${x[0]}" pfmt:"${.}: ($child)" title:"Ongoing LO & Dj games" s=crace,src 10:21:28 but I will think of that separately 10:21:42 Ongoing LO & Dj games: Lava Orc: (cao: 125, cue: 11, cbro: 10, cdo: 4), Djinni: (cao: 23, cue: 4, cdo: 2) 10:22:04 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:22:56 !cmd lodjgames !lm * lo|dj alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${.}: ${x[0]}" pfmt:"${.}: ($child)" title:"Ongoing LO & Dj games" s=crace,src 10:22:57 Defined command: !lodjgames => !lm * lo|dj alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${.}: ${x[0]}" pfmt:"${.}: ($child)" title:"Ongoing LO & Dj games" s=crace,src 10:23:29 the martial arts changes I'm thinking (they're on the tavern thread) are: 10:23:46 1) Whirlwind deals 70% of attack damage instead of 100%, and has a slightly improved chance to slow 10:23:52 is that for tracking their dying off and/or being converted into vs & ho? 10:24:08 2) Wall Jump takes 15 auts for a normal movement character instead of 10, but the attacks are normalized as they used to (over 10) 10:24:25 the extra risk of wall jumping into something is offset by the chance you have to distract it and avoid retaliation altogether 10:25:02 what happens if you wall jump into something? 10:27:44 well 10:27:46 you would've spent 15 auts 10:27:53 and attacked for the worth of 10 10:28:14 but in exchange you get the significant AoE and chance to distract everything on sight 10:47:10 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:48:43 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:10 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:28 -!- Yore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:16 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:33 !cmd lodjgames !lm * lo|dj alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf $* x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${.}: ${x[0]}" pfmt:"${.}: ($child)" title:"Ongoing LO & Dj games" s=crace,src 10:56:34 Redefined command: !lodjgames => !lm * lo|dj alive_all !cszo !ckr !rhf $* x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${.}: ${x[0]}" pfmt:"${.}: ($child)" title:"Ongoing LO & Dj games" s=crace,src 10:56:43 !lodjgames experimental 10:56:59 Ongoing LO & Dj games: Lava Orc: (cbro: 1) 10:57:03 wow 10:57:30 !lm * experimental alive_all cbro lo 10:57:31 34. [2014-05-16 23:58:43] schistosomatic the Warrior (L17 LOFi of Qazlal) killed Azrael on turn 35187. (Snake:4) 10:57:36 !lm * experimental alive_all cbro lo x=file 10:57:38 34. [2014-05-16 23:58:43] [file=cbro/crawl/meta/gods/milestones] schistosomatic the Warrior (L17 LOFi of Qazlal) killed Azrael on turn 35187. (Snake:4) 10:57:48 gods...which one was that 10:58:08 like D+Q ? 10:58:40 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:59:14 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59:54 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:26 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:49 <|amethyst> !lg * explbr=gods s=god 11:01:50 597 games for * (explbr=gods): 452x, 72x Qazlal, 52x Gozag, 4x Vehumet, 4x Sif Muna, 4x Lugonu, 2x The Shining One, 2x Cheibriados, 2x Trog, Okawaru, Jiyva, Makhleb 11:01:57 <|amethyst> Q + G it looks like 11:06:10 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:59 right, Gozag 11:08:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 11:10:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:31 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:36 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:28:32 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:54 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:35 -!- laj1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:38 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:34:34 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 11:37:03 -!- twelwe has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:18 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:55 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:49:28 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:05 -!- Aikanaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:52:18 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:55:17 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:25 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:58:34 what have I done wrong? I think I have the same .travis files as normal crawl, but it can't get perl for some reason https://travis-ci.org/yrmvgh/crawl/jobs/206655117 11:59:01 <|amethyst> that's not the problem 11:59:12 <|amethyst> 'sudo apt-get install gdb libegl1-mesa-dev libasound2-dev libxss-dev' failed (256), retrying in 5 seconds... 11:59:15 <|amethyst> Running 'sudo apt-get install gdb libegl1-mesa-dev libasound2-dev libxss-dev' 11:59:21 <|amethyst> sudo: must be setuid root 11:59:24 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:59:53 <|amethyst> there is a comment up top 11:59:59 <|amethyst> This job is running on container-based infrastructure, which does not allow use of 'sudo', setuid and setguid executables. 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:02 <|amethyst> If you require sudo, add 'sudo: required' to your .travis.yml 12:00:04 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:04 <|amethyst> See https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/workers/container-based-infrastructure/ for details. 12:00:07 <|amethyst> so you will need to add that 12:00:30 <|amethyst> I guess it works for crawl without that because our use of travis predates the container-based infrastructure 12:00:59 interesting, so you're grandfathered in or something? 12:01:05 <|amethyst> https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/ci-environment/ says 12:01:18 <|amethyst> "sudo: false" default for repositories enabled in 2015 or later 12:01:31 <|amethyst> so kind of :) 12:01:45 hrm, wonder if we're installing packages the wrong way or something? 12:01:55 if you don't have sudo, how are you supposed to install the packages your project needs? 12:01:58 thanks, I'll add that 12:03:00 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19.5-0-gee3d8be 12:03:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/installing-dependencies/#Installing-Packages-on-Container-Based-Infrastructure 12:03:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: unfortunately you can't use apt repos that aren't in their whitelist 12:04:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk: in particular, we get SDL2 from a ppa that isn't on their list 12:04:34 <|amethyst> hm 12:04:34 oh, interesting 12:04:50 why would sdl2 be from a special ppa though? 12:04:54 that's in debian base 12:05:03 er debian stable 12:05:10 <|amethyst> I think that was because sdl2 dev wasn't in debian stable when we started 12:05:19 right 12:05:27 I recall that now 12:05:36 or something like this 12:06:17 <|amethyst> ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test *is* on their list 12:06:44 <|amethyst> (which we use to make sure things still compile on the oldest g++ we claim to support) 12:06:57 <|amethyst> (I guess?) 12:07:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-796-g13927d1 (34) 12:08:28 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:35 -!- hittemvvvhard has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:11 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 12:29:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:32 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:31:02 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:26 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:40:17 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:50 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:44:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:44:37 -!- yesno__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:07 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:05 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:53:23 |amethyst: how would i add a travis build configuration? in particular we should be compiling at least once with NOWIZARD=y 12:54:44 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-797-g48d8da1: Fix PProj changelog entry (UsaSatsui) 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48d8da1841cd 12:58:55 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:43 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:35 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-797-g48d8da1 (34) 13:12:23 -!- yesno__ is now known as yesno 13:13:31 Is there a way to assign default keys for given items, so that the given key isn't used until there is no more key available ? (i always set identify scroll to 'e' for instance, i would like 'e' to stay available until i discover/loot one) 13:19:27 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 13:21:20 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:00 The build has errored. (yiuf - 445a0ad #4 : yrmvgh): https://travis-ci.org/yrmvgh/crawl/builds/206695141 13:23:00 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:27:36 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:30:13 amalloy: yeah, or maybe whatever exact build settings at least one server with NOWIZARD=y uses, if there's more 13:31:12 well, I'm assuming some servers build with that, maybe that's not true 13:35:21 i don't think any actually do 13:41:24 drat, the build is still having sudo problems even with sudo: required. https://github.com/yrmvgh/crawl/pull/9 13:41:59 builds and runs fine locally though 13:43:05 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:08 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:46:57 something is funny with dropping manuals 13:47:12 _You see here a manual of Throwing. You drop a manual of Throwing. 13:49:46 confirmed weird 13:50:40 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:33 my guess: dropping an item eventually calls maybe_identify_base_type on it 13:52:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:27 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:14 otoh i guess i don't even see how that would print. i thought it would but i can't find that code 13:57:37 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:18 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:02 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:35 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:50 ah, there it is 14:08:24 dropping calls move_item_to_grid, which calls _id_floor_item 14:08:53 !source _id_floor_item 14:08:53 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#L943 14:13:28 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 14:19:14 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: to mobile] 14:22:54 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.5-win32-installer.exe 14:23:02 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.5-tiles-macosx.zip 14:23:11 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.5-console-macosx.zip 14:23:35 can anyone on windows try the installer there and see if it works for them? 14:23:46 likewise if anyone on a mac can test those zips, it would be appreciated 14:31:20 03amalloy02 07* 0.20-a0-798-g2c266a9: Don't print manuals' types twice when you drop them (minmay) 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c266a969726 14:33:01 -!- moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:25 -!- noppa354 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:33:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:28 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:37 hi 14:35:56 -!- moritz_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:04 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50:05 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:15 yessss, I have defeated travis somehow https://travis-ci.org/yrmvgh/crawl/builds/206723008 14:53:35 it didn't listen the first few times I told it to use sudo, idk 14:54:48 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:28 did you figure out cross-compilation 15:01:38 you were trying to set up cowbuilder, which is not relevant to that 15:01:58 speaking of that, I should finalize the release 15:02:25 I'm looking at the recite eligibility code and I'm not sure whether or not I see a problem with it 15:03:48 _heretic_recite_weakness() returns degree as an int, with a number of possible values, affected by factors like god worshipped by the monster, and monster priesthood 15:04:00 but the only function I see that uses that returned value doesn't seem to actually care what that value is, just that it's above 0 15:04:16 eligibility[RECITE_HERETIC] = _heretic_recite_weakness(mon); 15:04:21 then later: if (eligibility[i] > 0) 15:04:43 end result, virtually all intelligent monsters are treated the same as, say, an orc priest, even though the code implies an orc priest should be significantly more susceptible? 15:05:54 <|amethyst> hm, so the new github TOS 15:06:30 <|amethyst> if I'm reading this correctly, we cannot have Crawl on github anymore without relicensing 15:06:33 <|amethyst> "If you set your pages and repositories to be viewed publicly, you grant each User of GitHub a nonexclusive, worldwide license to access your Content through the GitHub Service, and to use, display and perform your Content, and to reproduce your Content solely on GitHub as permitted through GitHub's functionality. You may grant further rights if you adopt a license." 15:07:21 <|amethyst> we can't grant users of github permissions to do that in ways that contradict the GPL 15:08:35 <|amethyst> e.g. if someone makes a compiled Crawl binary with their own patches and posts it on github without source 15:09:11 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:31 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-798-g2c266a9 (34) 15:09:53 -!- demok has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:08 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12:49 gammafunk: not yet, I got sidelined by travis-ci 15:13:00 -!- nocturnal has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13:01 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:13:17 *sidetracked 15:15:02 is monster freezing cloud supposed to be some kind of ice breath attack 15:15:08 instead of actual freezing cloud 15:16:17 I think monsters only have the spell 15:16:22 And no, it's just a spell 15:16:45 No one has yet added ice crabs 15:17:03 oh, i guess it's been this way since 7 years ago 15:17:13 i feel like it should be its own spell 15:17:24 there are rhime drakes, but those just have a beam attack that does the weird frozen thing 15:17:33 yeah, that's flash freeze 15:17:44 freezing cloud shoots some weird "freezing blast" beam 15:17:54 anyone have an idea if recite is intended to work the way I mentioned, and there's just some deprecated/unused stuff in there, or if it's an actual bug? 15:21:01 !source _heretic_recite_weakness 15:21:02 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/god-abil.cc#L612 15:21:19 <|amethyst> Doesnty: hm, that probably broke fairly recently 15:21:23 <|amethyst> Doesnty: it works in 0.18 15:21:44 oh 15:21:55 i thought it did but i didn't trust my memory 15:22:03 <|amethyst> it is broken in 0.19 15:22:15 <|amethyst> I'm going to provisionally blame MarvinPA, but for all I know it could have been me 15:22:31 how is recite broken? 15:22:47 !source zin_recite_to_single_monster 15:22:47 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/god-abil.cc#L833 15:23:11 <|amethyst> hm, actually, it looks like probably it was PleasingFungus, not MarvinPA 15:23:25 G-Flex: see the <= comparison against degree in that function 15:23:45 -!- sudoninja17 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23:53 which comparison 15:24:01 and then later the == checks in a case branch that decide how severe the effect is 15:24:02 const bool minor = degree <= (prayertype == RECITE_HERETIC ? 2 : 1); 15:24:15 oh what 15:24:39 the imp race uses MON_CRIMSON_IMP as the base monster. just like demonspawn, in mon-data it has mh_demonic. but for some reason, imps can wield holy weapons and Ds can't. what did I forget to do? 15:25:31 base monster wouldn't be relevant to wielding things 15:25:32 sorry amalloy, missed that somehow 15:25:45 <|amethyst> rumflump: player::undead_or_demonic 15:25:46 no worries 15:25:51 base monster is just to have a monster to represent the player race 15:26:22 <|amethyst> rumflump: (in player.cc) 15:26:26 So I'm unclear if Zin recite is broken, or if it was to what extent 15:26:35 s/was/is/ 15:26:43 gammafunk: it's not 15:26:50 ok, cool 15:26:58 thought it was going to be one of those 15:27:09 "haha you just built and made a release! Here's a major bug!" 15:27:24 new release is on download page, post will come in a bit when I get back 15:27:46 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus monster freezing cloud no longer makes clouds... probably 933b6c96: it works in 0.18 but not 0.19 15:27:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:27:54 oh that's what |amethyst was talking about 15:27:59 not recite, hence my confusion 15:28:24 it doesn't seem like an unreasonable change for some of the fcloud users 15:28:25 that whole switch uses the results from eligibility, also 15:28:29 shame that we missed that! I blame |amethyst for pushing the release! 15:28:30 <|amethyst> yeah, I was responding to Doesnty, not g-flex 15:28:36 ah, it's in player.cc with everything else. thanks for the hint! 15:28:44 at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/god-abil.cc#L890 15:28:46 interesting that Ds are evil, and not demonic 15:28:52 player Ds at least 15:28:53 degree has been pulled from eligibility 15:28:58 so are ice statues pretty well nerfed in 0.19 and 0.20 due to that? 15:29:05 yes 15:29:10 cool (literally) 15:29:17 they still have icicle/ice beast, I guess 15:29:20 it's arguably a buff to servitors and tengu reavers though 15:29:25 heh 15:29:44 !lg * cikiller=tengu_reaver s=ckaux% 15:29:44 2043 games for * (cikiller=tengu_reaver): 447x (21.88%), 347x bolt of lightning (16.98%), 218x fireball (10.67%), 199x bolt of magma (9.74%), 154x bolt of poison (7.54%), 104x bolt of acid (5.09%), 46x great sword (2.25%), 40x war axe (1.96%), 36x battleaxe (1.76%), 29x great mace (1.42%), 28x freezing blast (1.37%), 27x freezing vapour (1.32%), 26x long sword (1.27%), 23x bardiche (1.13%), 19x di... 15:29:56 1.3% of all kills! 15:30:03 a friend of mine was asking why his servitor wasn't making clouds and i assumed it was a feature until i dug into it 15:30:05 !lg * cikiller=tengu_reaver s=ckaux% recent 15:30:06 621 games for * (cikiller=tengu_reaver recent): 120x (19.32%), 112x bolt of lightning (18.04%), 64x bolt of magma (10.31%), 55x fireball (8.86%), 51x bolt of acid (8.21%), 29x bolt of poison (4.67%), 21x war axe (3.38%), 16x freezing blast (2.58%), 15x battleaxe (2.42%), 12x great sword (1.93%), 10x long sword (1.61%), 9x great mace (1.45%), 9x bardiche (1.45%), 8x dire flail (1.29%), 6x great swo... 15:30:20 |amethyst: I guess you saw this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13766933 15:30:21 freezing blast 15:30:25 @??tengu reaver 15:30:25 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 77-96 | AC/EV: 8/16 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2035 | Sp: b.magma (3d26), fireball (3d27), battlesphere / b.venom (3d21), poisonous cloud (3d11), b.corrosive (3d21), battlesphere / freezing cloud (2d27), b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 15:30:35 freezing blast is what the bug turns freezing cloud into for monsters 15:30:44 ah 15:30:48 but it's getting kills? 15:30:59 so does it do some kind of special damage? 15:31:29 anyhow, good bug PF 15:31:36 looking at the code it seems like that's what it's supposed to be doing to be honest 15:31:50 mon-cast is confusing to me 15:32:00 !lg * cikiller=ice_statue s=ckaux% recent 15:32:01 1034 games for * (cikiller=ice_statue recent): 344x freezing vapour (33.27%), 212x shard of ice (20.50%), 197x bolt of cold (19.05%), 185x (17.89%), 96x freezing blast (9.28%) 15:32:12 seems ice statues are doing something similar 15:32:17 !lg * cikiller=ice_statue s=ckaux% current 15:32:17 232 games for * (cikiller=ice_statue current): 85x shard of ice (36.64%), 57x bolt of cold (24.57%), 48x (20.69%), 38x freezing blast (16.38%), 4x freezing vapour (1.72%) 15:32:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:32:40 !lg * cikiller=ice_statue s=ckaux% recentish !current 15:32:41 1684 games for * (cikiller=ice_statue recentish !current): 694x freezing vapour (41.21%), 307x bolt of cold (18.23%), 293x shard of ice (17.40%), 274x (16.27%), 116x freezing blast (6.89%) 15:32:45 <|amethyst> advil: not that particular forum, but I did read the post from the MirBSD guy 15:33:04 <|amethyst> advil: also Joey Hess is removing everything of his from github 15:33:09 yeah, I saw that 15:34:42 this sounds like a really exciting passive 15:34:45 && have_passive(passive_t::map_rot_res_abyss); 15:34:55 Apparently FSF is talking with github about it? 15:35:09 I'm a little unclear on whether the license is granting anything that isn't necessary for any service like github, but this isn't something I know a lot about 15:35:10 Anyhow we're not exactly going to go move our repo off github today 15:37:03 <|amethyst> it's too late anyway, I'm sure someone has already used github today 15:37:11 <|amethyst> for that matter, I did, to read the new TOS 15:37:50 should this do the trick? return undead_state() || species == (SP_DEMONSPAWN || SP_IMP); 15:38:02 <|amethyst> rumflump: no, || doesn't work like that 15:38:16 <|amethyst> rumflump: return undead_state() || species == SP_DEMONSPAWN || species == SP_IMP; 15:38:17 that compares species to a bool :-) 15:38:34 the mirbsd website is down 15:38:44 ah, drat, wanted to save a line of text 15:38:47 thanks though! 15:39:43 actually that squeezes in at 80 characters just fine, it just looks too long due to neighboring text 15:39:58 <|amethyst> Brannock: I think someone copy-pasted some of the relevant sections in the comments on HackerNews that advil linked 15:40:07 don't worry about neighboring text, just worry about the line length 15:40:27 but really don't worry if you have to made the return value two lines 15:40:51 <|amethyst> Brannock: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13767427 15:40:57 ah, thanks 15:44:44 changing player.cc is going to send me straight into full rebuild town, isn't it? 15:45:07 might as well try to cross-compile while at it 15:48:53 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:53 -!- devesine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:54 -!- uelen has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:51:40 -!- cxr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:06 -!- devesine has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 15:54:24 changing cc files rarely makes large rebuilds 15:54:39 nothing much depends on cc files 15:56:44 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:12 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:57 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:58 %git 933b6c96 16:09:58 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1373-g933b6c9: Move various monster spells into zaps 10(6 months ago, 4 files, 61+ 56-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/933b6c96a206 16:09:58 Pleasingfungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:10:32 ...? 16:10:40 So how did it work before? 16:10:47 !source beam.cc 16:10:47 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc 16:11:24 is origin_spell not getting set? 16:13:54 i believe you that 933b broke things somehow, i just don't understand how 16:14:00 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:14:30 -!- surr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:27 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:37 looks like origin_spell isn't getting set, yeah 16:30:39 interesting 16:32:37 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:04 i strongly suspect that it's *not* that commit, but rather something about us copying beams around 16:34:07 since we do that in some places 16:34:10 i suspect the spell is getting lost 16:45:11 a lost beam, truly tragic 16:48:57 -!- Aikanaro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:50:10 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:57 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55:39 it's funny how hard it is to get right messages that say that nothing happened 16:55:58 Jiyva's slimification partially works on ghosts created by lost souls 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10956 by Lavandula 16:56:18 btw: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-19-5-bugfix-release 16:56:41 nice, thanks gammafunk 16:56:48 also, russian tileschat exists apparently 16:56:50 here's hoping to three fewer bugfix releases next version 16:57:00 you mean on cxc? 16:57:07 the screencap in that bug 16:57:16 I think the bug itself is just an English misunderstanding? 16:57:36 yeah probably cxc 16:57:42 most russian players seem to play there 16:58:13 Unlaired species: Barachian 16:58:21 PF ruining all of our greaterfoos! 16:58:28 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:58:47 i should add another species 16:58:50 or a background, maybe 16:58:53 that'd break some stuff real good 16:59:14 ah, but now you must respect row limits in the new rankings we have 16:59:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:59:18 we can only add simple species 16:59:23 until that column fills up 16:59:26 lol 16:59:58 unless you remove a species! 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:15 impossible 17:02:01 -!- bhaak has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:02:25 advil has a two-species budget then right, once LO/Dj removal is merged? 17:02:36 haha 17:03:07 designing a good species seems challenging 17:03:21 I might hold off on that kind of thing for the time being 17:03:45 -!- yesno__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:03:51 What Could Go Wrong 17:04:04 amalloy: thanks for the comments btw, I think I've addressed the ones that I'm going to 17:04:59 i think i've got goldified spellbooks mostly working 17:05:20 was there interest in this or was the prospect of messing trog up what was stopping it 17:06:48 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:50 -!- hittemvvvhard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:58 amalloy: (which is almost all of them) 17:07:06 yes, double-checking it now 17:07:15 cool 17:07:57 Doesnty: iirc MarvinPA and I were for it (with sadness), dpeg was against but didn't fully elaborate on why 17:08:24 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:09 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: I am not certain that it was that commit 17:09:40 yeah, i suspect it was another one in the same set 17:10:48 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:11:11 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-799-g1217706: Remove a duplicate poison cloud placement 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/121770652743 17:12:17 that being said, i don't see how it ever worked at all. it seems like, even if it wasn't losing the origin_spell, it'd only be placing a cloud at the endpoint 17:12:28 there's nothing relevant in beam::affect_place_clouds 17:12:31 er, bolt:: 17:12:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:03 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: oh, hm 17:13:19