00:00:06 that's true, it would be basically identical then 00:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:30 themewise I like having a few different impassable terrain types 00:00:45 making deep water and lava passable would require changes to lots of vaults in ways that would be less interesting 00:01:32 i assume moving through lava would be ungodly slow and painful 00:02:47 or instantly fatal, but it is video game lava 00:03:19 "Clearly your movement should simulate Mario's in SM64" 00:03:36 ah, good misinformation 00:03:53 "Not that guy, but source on that? Never heard of cloud spells making you not gain exp, even summons give you at least 50%." 00:04:21 well your change already makes those vaults have passable water 00:04:44 and they're of course already passable presently for people with a flight potion 00:05:05 or the ring/ability/amphibiousness 00:05:48 well, if you don't have permaflight it's kind of risky 00:07:04 yes, I think my change needs DES changes as well if it's to be merged 00:10:55 heaven on earth is like a continuous immolation scroll for vaults:5 00:12:32 "Not that guy, but source on that? Never heard of cloud spells making you not gain exp, even summons give you at least 50%." 00:12:44 if you miscast freezing cloud and get a freezing cloud from the miscast, the clouds from the miscast wont give you xp 00:13:12 powerful low xl tech 00:14:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-786-g355e369: Try to fix Windows builds. 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 16+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/355e369bdf38 00:15:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:16:13 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-787-g4ba4951: Use windows.h instead of mmsystem.h. 10(13 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4ba49517c0c5 00:17:45 -!- stainable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:18:55 -!- dextur has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:23:41 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:34 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:35 The build passed. 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I'm not sure if it's actually a problem though! 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:12:58 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:13:32 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:01 !tell Brannock What is your first reaction to this: making Wall Jump take 150% normal auts (so 15 aut for a 10 aut character). Burst damage would go up due to multi-strikes, worth bearing in mind. 03:16:01 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 03:20:30 -!- blisterpack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:25:45 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-787-g4ba4951 (34) 03:27:45 -!- dextur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:36:10 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:40:25 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:42:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:21 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:58:03 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02:37 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:07:31 fr make scrolls of noise mark you 04:21:51 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:26:35 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: Probably restarting if not leaving] 04:30:46 -!- o232k has quit [Excess Flood] 04:33:51 -!- kobby has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44:33 -!- Kramin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:44:44 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:10:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20:34 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:20:39 -!- kreedzfreak_ is now known as kreedzfreak 05:31:13 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:35:47 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:55 -!- eb has quit [] 05:39:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:41:46 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:28 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47:33 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:53:38 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:40 -!- rhovland has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:00:02 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:56 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 06:53:17 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:01 SteelNeuron: another nerf i was thinking about: make heaven on earth vanish faster (instantly?) when taking stairs 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:37 would that have a big impact though? 07:04:59 well i stairdanced a lot in v:5 with heaven on earth 07:05:04 and killed the entire floor with two invocations 07:05:13 I see 07:05:16 yeah, it might be a good idea 07:05:24 especially considering that noise is a bit part of the ability drawback 07:05:28 big* 07:07:40 in some ways the noise is useful 07:07:57 although I guess an optimal player would prefer the ability without noise, because they could create noise before using the ability if they wanted to 07:08:41 wu jian is super fun :) 07:13:40 thanks! :) 07:13:57 probably needs balance tweaks but it seems the reception has been good 07:20:09 especially on something awful, they seem to love it there for some reason 07:27:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:25 completely changes how tabbers play 07:35:28 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 07:38:01 -!- soundlust_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:40:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:26 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:40 Is this a mistake in the description, or does Gozag's bribe really have increased chance to work on tougher enemies? Is this so that small enemies don't soak the bribe? 07:55:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:58:43 -!- hapticFeels has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:39 -!- laj1 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:02:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:04:19 -!- Guest80200 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:04:52 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:26 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:04 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:14 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:46 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:04 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:41 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 08:37:12 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:37:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:08 -!- hittemvvvhard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:37 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:04 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55:31 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:28 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:08 -!- Finwe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:04:00 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:06:03 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:06:30 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:48 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:43 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:21:41 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:27 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:53 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:56 SteelNeuron, my first reaction is it would solve a lot of the exploration degeneracy that players have been mentioning 09:34:11 that said I'm not sure how it would interact with the rest of WJC combat 09:34:24 would the monsters be able to move towards the new position before the wall jumper could react? 09:34:33 part of the draw of walljump is the repositioning, not just the damage 09:34:46 exactly 09:34:55 No problem then, it would work exactly as it does now 09:35:04 except monsters would have more time after you're done to retaliate 09:35:42 I'm not sure if I phrased that well 09:35:46 would affect species with movement speed differences 09:36:30 the overall impact would be twofold I think 09:36:38 it would still be the most efficient way to move, just to gain distance 09:36:44 but it would become riskier to use in combat 09:36:55 and also more powerful if you are certain you can alpha-strike a mob 09:37:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:41 the alternative would be to remove the attack part altogether and increase the chance to distract 09:38:15 but that leads to other denegerate styles like abusing launchers, so meh 09:38:33 (unless the increased chance to distract applies only to adjacent enemies) 09:39:30 this is the kind of thing that MPA will hate, but it would make gameplay sense to have wall jump not deal damage, and instead have a distract chance inversely proportional to distance. Hm... 09:39:53 what if you could only walljump after hitting with one of the other martial maneuvers 09:40:15 dpeg brought up conditions like that before, but I really dislike them because they are very artificial 09:40:29 difficult to communicate as well 09:40:31 ideally all moves should be spammable, but not attractive to spam 09:43:29 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49:31 Angani (L6 FeBe) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 106: ASSERT failed: book of 47 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:5) 09:50:52 Angani (L6 FeBe) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 106: ASSERT failed: book of 47 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:5) 09:51:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:47 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:06 Angani (L6 FeBe) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 106: ASSERT failed: book of 47 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:5) 09:54:44 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:45 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:16 !crashlog angani 10:02:17 No milestones for angani (crash). 10:02:28 !tell hellmonk Angani (L6 FeBe) ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 106: ASSERT failed: book of 47 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_templates) (43) (D:5) 10:02:28 Brannock: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 10:03:15 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:39 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06:39 with spire gone, book of air needs raiju blinkbolt to give it some spice 10:06:44 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:16 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:39 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:44 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:39 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:49 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:25:33 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:28:49 -!- wheals__ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 10:29:34 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:09 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:55 !tell pleasingfungus your awesome shouting patch totally works! http://i.imgur.com/v8BhqjA.png 10:32:55 rumflump: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:38:54 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:06 til standing in lava is actually perfectly safe, it's the getting there that's the problem 10:44:48 -!- geeko55 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:45:24 -!- Fixer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:02 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:29 -!- HolyRage has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 10:54:10 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:31 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:01:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:10:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:11:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12:40 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:27 -!- Moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:51 OK 11:22:56 Hello? 11:25:52 Anyone here? 11:32:02 -!- Moritz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:34:04 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:46:04 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:46:48 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:55 -!- Moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:17 Hello? Anyone here? 11:50:28 People are in channel, if you have a question, please just ask 11:50:55 Nice! I am trying to get in contact with one of the developers or better one of the main developers. 11:51:08 this is the place! 11:51:20 Great! OK: 11:51:29 hm, what's the difference between a developer and a main developer? 11:51:29 Pleasingfungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:51:39 yeah, there's just a development team 11:51:40 rumflump: of course it works, i wrote it! 11:51:49 First i have to tell you that i am VI means i am blind. 11:52:22 Sorry, this IRC-stuff is completely new for me. 11:52:33 Never worked with this before! 11:52:44 ah, there should be a list of nicknames that tells you a bunch of people are in here, mostly AFK 11:52:55 Pleasingfungus: yeah, but I was worried the patch wouldn't work due to being from an old version. because of leading underscore differences, or using a & instead of a *, or using "genus" instead of "species" 11:53:53 impossible. my code is far too good for problems like that 11:54:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:00 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:11 Me and some other blind guys like your game a lot! We are playing in a little other styple but we like it. The automatic exploration is a great helpfull feature. Cause it is not so easy for us to check the map-stuff. I got a question about controling the character. Could you add something like autoflee? I mean, we allready have that autoexplore and autofight. 11:56:40 -!- Aikanaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:44 Well there's autotravel 11:56:50 not sure how you mean autoflee 11:56:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk: autotravel doesn't work when monsters are in sight 11:56:55 yeah but this dont works in a fight. 11:57:08 right but neither does autoexplore 11:57:13 I believe what is meant is, a script that chooses the best "away" direction from all the monsters 11:57:19 <|amethyst> I would imagine you press a key, and it tries to run away from monsters, similar to qw's fleeing behaviour 11:57:25 you could backtrack on your travel-trail, perhaps 11:57:32 it doesn't seem like a very good feature 11:57:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think of it as more like autofight than autoexplore/travel 11:57:45 Well I think of it as just a bad idea, personally 11:57:52 move out of los of the monster and then use autotravel 11:58:14 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:27 autofight has very simplistic movement mechanics, autoflee would have to be much more complicated 11:59:54 Moritz_: in init.txt (or your rc file, if playing online), try adding a line that says "show_travel_trail = true". I'm not sure how the screen reader will interpret it, but hopefully it should put a line indicating the direction from which you most recently explored/travelled - you can then manually move in that direction 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:03 trouble is, it disappears when you take an action :\ 12:00:04 -!- natsu17 has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:00:25 <|amethyst> most screen readers don't do great at showing things like that that only have a different colour 12:01:10 i dont think this will work. 12:02:25 hmm i'm pretty sure i was right about KITEM after all and pitsprint is missing items now 12:03:25 Maybe it would be helpful enough if we would know the path to the monsters in sight. Maybe you could add the travelpath to a monster behind its name? 12:04:11 Or a key wich tells us the path to a givven selection? 12:04:22 <|amethyst> hmm 12:04:25 MarvinPA_: yes sprint seems to be bugged, i just found 3 dungeon exits in pitsprint in a loot room 12:04:39 yeah that's why i was looking at it, but i can't repro that bit 12:06:10 <|amethyst> MarvinPA_: ah, needs to use comma instead of multiple KITEM:s? 12:07:15 yeah, i mentioned that it needed to do that when the PR got submitted but the ezyang claimed they'd tested it and it worked (and i could easily believe that i was just wrong about vault definition stuff :P) 12:07:26 s/but the/but/ 12:07:39 !messages 12:07:40 No messages for Moritz_. 12:07:53 <|amethyst> Moritz_: hm, that might be a reasonable option if limited in some way 12:08:19 <|amethyst> Moritz_: e.g. you don't want it reporting a really long path, because then it doesn't fit on screen 12:08:47 <|amethyst> Moritz_: but I guess even position relative to the player would be useful 12:09:35 And what about a key to chose wich oponent to attack next? 12:10:22 <|amethyst> I don't think we'd want to complicate the behaviour of that much 12:10:40 I see. 12:10:43 <|amethyst> hm 12:10:57 <|amethyst> though arguably that makes it *more* predictable 12:11:20 <|amethyst> predictibility being the usual reason we don't want to make too smart 12:11:38 But where is the difference? You allready have this for spells and ranged attacks. 12:12:08 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 12:12:19 you mean like first tab "autoattack whom?" then subsequent tabs do that? 12:12:44 no, i mean something like press p to set up your next target for autofight. 12:12:48 <|amethyst> I was thinking do what it currently does, but prioritise the target if one is chosen; and some other key chooses a target 12:13:58 <|amethyst> Moritz_: if you could write up a short proposal and give justifications for how it will help (e.g. explain problems with how you currently play) I think that would help 12:15:23 <|amethyst> not sure what a good place for such a thing would be 12:15:39 <|amethyst> I would say Mantis, but feature requests are discouraged there 12:16:41 <|amethyst> there are two separate things to do: 1. get devs on-board with the proposed changes 2. find someone to implement them 12:16:43 OK, i think the main point is, that i am playing without using the map or knowing the map. Yes yes, i know, this makes it harder to play. But it is possible in most cases. I am often using ranged weapons if i have to defeat a more dangerous enemy first. And for fleeing i am using teleport-stuff. 12:17:29 <|amethyst> I think "make it easier to play without the map" is probably not a goal you'd get many devs on-board with 12:17:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-788-g5cc1a67: Fix missing items in pitsprint 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5cc1a67068cc 12:17:52 <|amethyst> it would be better, I think, to find a way to make the map work for you 12:18:14 <|amethyst> e.g. making ctrl-x display relative locations 12:18:46 <|amethyst> or providing a way to list the map as a table of words 12:18:57 could it be proposed and discussed on the dev wiki, if not mantis? 12:19:00 <|amethyst> I guess x is kind of like that sometimes 12:19:24 <|amethyst> yeah, dev wiki is probably the best place, but people need to have their attention directed to it 12:19:49 Thats a main point of discussion in our community. 12:19:54 <|amethyst> just putting something up on the devwiki is likely to have it ignored 12:20:07 <|amethyst> because people don't go there that often 12:21:02 Point is, you cant use any traveling or map-command in a fight. 12:21:04 |amethyst: that does sound like a potentially good feature for ctrl-x, especially on busy screens sometimes it's hard to spot where a given thing is even if you select it and hunt for the cursor 12:22:07 eg in common use cases like when searching for the pan lord who is silencing you in a zig :P 12:23:03 <|amethyst> Moritz_: I think changing that would be a problem, because it's impossible (or at least very difficult) to have a command that knows enough about various dangers to do that better than a player who can see the map 12:23:17 <|amethyst> Moritz_: so it would still leave you with a second-class solution 12:23:34 <|amethyst> Moritz_: better IMO would be away to provide the information you need to decide which way to move 12:24:22 Wright. Could you add the pathes of monsters and items to the list of CTRL&x? 12:24:24 <|amethyst> also things like "if you step here, you will be adjacent to three enemies" 12:24:41 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:03 <|amethyst> Moritz_: what do you mean by "path"? Like a list of movement commands to get there? 12:25:10 <|amethyst> Moritz_: what if there's another monster in the way? 12:25:49 <|amethyst> Moritz_: autofight doesn't even use pathing, it just walks straight towards its target 12:25:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-787-g4ba4951 (34) 12:26:11 for example: A: an orc-priest 2left 3down (reachable) 12:26:15 <|amethyst> Moritz_: so maybe just "north 5 squares and east 3" or "(+3, -5)" 12:26:17 <|amethyst> Moritz_: aha 12:26:52 <|amethyst> Moritz_: yeah, I think that is reasonable, though probably we'd want to abbreviate it to avoid cutting other things off 12:27:15 HMM, or you could add coordinates to the map. 12:27:33 <|amethyst> we'd want coordinates to be relative to the player probably 12:27:49 so you can check your own coordinates for example: 3-3 and you see the orcpriest on 2-4 12:28:02 <|amethyst> global coordinates can leak information about where is the edge of the map, so we try to avoid exposing them to players 12:28:29 OK and if the coordinates are only shown up for the little pice you get with ctrl&x? 12:29:05 <|amethyst> would they be useful elsewhere? 12:29:25 HMM, good question. 12:29:52 I dont know yet. I only thought about the battlefields by now. 12:29:54 <|amethyst> also, what about things like shallow water (which you probably don't want to flee through unless you're flying or can swim) 12:30:10 yeah, thats definitely a problem. 12:30:29 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:30:34 <|amethyst> I guess you could x to see what's there, then move in that direction if it doesn't sound too bad, but that's still a local solution 12:30:34 potentially-relevant roguelike accessibility talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_8sHtr62Bo 12:31:15 HMM, yeah, i dont know how i could add sounds for footsteps. 12:31:54 <|amethyst> rumflump: thanks for the link 12:32:10 <|amethyst> I have to go now, but it sounds like there are some good ideas here 12:32:19 would you add me on skype? 12:32:28 <|amethyst> write something up so it can be sent around and other devs can respond 12:32:31 <|amethyst> I don't do skype, sorry 12:32:47 OK, no problem. So i have to learn this irc-stuff. 12:32:51 <|amethyst> yeah :) 12:33:00 <|amethyst> also there's an mailing list 12:33:20 <|amethyst> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 12:33:25 -!- sneaky has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:28 Yeah, but it is a little tricky for us to set up cause of the picture-codes. 12:33:56 <|amethyst> Hm, does sourceforge use a captcha there? 12:34:13 HMM, this one i didnt try yet. 12:34:25 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:34 <|amethyst> I think there is a confirmation email to make sure you own the account 12:34:44 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:49 <|amethyst> but I don't remember a captcha 12:34:50 I will check it out. 12:35:15 <|amethyst> if you run into problems with it, bother us here; I think dpeg can probably add people manually if necessary 12:35:18 Moritz_: in this room as well as in ##crawl , you can !tell |amethyst a message, but of course amethyst isn't the only person who might be able to contribute a solution. public discussion is best 12:35:31 Absolutely wright! 12:35:39 !tell |amethyst please send amethyst this annoying example message 12:35:40 rumflump: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:35:57 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:32 -!- bstrie has left ##crawl-dev 12:37:45 <|amethyst> !recur !tell rumflump 5 test 12:37:46 5 test 12:37:52 <|amethyst> hm 12:38:21 !recur 5 !tell rumflump test 12:38:21 rumflump test 12:38:34 <|amethyst> !recur "!tell rumflump" 5 test 12:38:35 5 test 12:38:44 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:47 you did your best. 12:38:49 <|amethyst> well, crap, now I forgot how recur works 12:38:56 <|amethyst> !cmd recur 12:38:57 Command: !recur => .echo $(let* (y (fn (c n x) (if (<= $n 0) $x (y $c (- $n 1) (exec "$c $x"))))) (y $1 $2 "${*}")) 12:41:26 <|amethyst> !recur !tell 3 rumflump test 12:41:27 Subcommand $(!tell |amethyst: OK, I'll let rumflump know.) failed: Sorry |amethyst, I don't know who |amethyst: is. in $(exec ${c} ${x}) in $(exec ${c} ${x}) in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $.... 12:41:39 good 12:41:42 <|amethyst> aww 12:41:49 OK, i will check in later again. Maybe i will have some ideas. Or maybe you got some other questions. 12:41:50 let me help 12:41:53 well now you've done it. 12:41:53 rumflump: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:42:11 !messages 12:42:11 (1/1) |amethyst said (45s ago): test 12:42:22 partial success. 12:43:10 .echo $(map (fn (n) (!tell rumflump check your $n messages)) (range 1 10)) 12:43:12 gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let rumflump know. 12:44:33 <|amethyst> !cmd !tellnc !tell $(replace : $1) ${*} 12:44:33 Defined command: !tellnc => !tell $(replace : $1) ${*} 12:44:43 <|amethyst> !tellnc |amethyst test 12:44:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:44:46 <|amethyst> !tellnc |amethyst: test 12:44:46 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:44:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:44:52 <|amethyst> !recur !tell 3 |amethyst test 12:44:52 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:44:53 Subcommand $(!tell |amethyst: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.) failed: Sorry |amethyst, I don't know who |amethyst: is. in $(exec ${c} ${x}) in $(exec ${c} ${x}) in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... in $(y ${c} $(- ${n} 1) $(exec ... in $(if $(<= ${n} 0) ${x} $(y $... 12:44:53 -!- Moritz_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 12:45:01 !messages 12:45:01 (1/7) gammafunk said (1m 50s ago): check your 4 messages 12:45:09 <|amethyst> !recur !tellnc 3 |amethyst test 12:45:10 |amethyst: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:45:16 <|amethyst> !messages 12:45:16 (1/3) |amethyst said (7s ago): test 12:45:17 <|amethyst> !messages 12:45:18 (1/2) |amethyst said (9s ago): OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:45:19 <|amethyst> !messages 12:45:20 (1/1) |amethyst said (9s ago): OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:45:22 <|amethyst> !messages 12:45:23 No messages for |amethyst. 12:45:40 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47:47 no messages...how lonely that feels... 12:48:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:49:07 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:23 -!- harambe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:17 another idea for a not-autoflee solution: an autotravel option that, with a capital Y for "are you really sure", will attempt to path to a point of interest despite the presence of monsters 12:53:08 if you get hit, it stops so you can keep attempting the retreat path or stand and fight 12:53:59 sighted players shouldn't ever need this, but it might be less bad than current alternatives for vis-impaired 12:55:43 <|amethyst> rumflump: hm, wonder if you could do it with a key that toggles on/off a runrest_ignore_messages 12:55:53 <|amethyst> (or however that option is spelled) 12:56:01 <|amethyst> anyway, I should be going for real now :) 12:56:21 peace 12:59:04 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:38 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:08:08 -!- can-of-bees has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:09:34 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-788-g5cc1a67 (34) 13:11:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:24 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:01 -!- EuphOria has quit [Quit: HELP WANTED: Telepath. You know who do call.] 13:32:06 -!- Moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:35 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:37 -!- adelrune has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:30 OK, Test? 1 2 3? Am i back? 13:33:31 Moritz_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:34:34 hello 13:35:34 -!- Moritz__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:12 Sorry again! This irc is completely new for me. 13:36:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:38:24 -!- Moritz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:38:25 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 13:41:08 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:00 I created a topic on a blind gamers community about making crawl more accessible. So maybe some of them will come here for some more input. 13:49:43 !messages 13:49:43 No messages for Moritz__. 13:51:55 -!- Moritz__ has left ##crawl-dev 13:57:39 dang 13:57:42 never got to check his message 13:58:07 since he rejoined and had to take the altar nick 13:58:18 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:25 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:31 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:10:24 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:23 -!- firefly82 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:14 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:25:27 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 14:25:47 doesnt work? 14:26:46 !messages 14:26:46 No messages for firefly82. 14:26:51 -!- sneaky is now known as sneakyness 14:29:15 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29:33 -!- firefly82 has left ##crawl-dev 14:30:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:35:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:42 wow i wonder if anyone has ever made a monster forget a spell with a divination miscast 14:39:05 i think only possible from chaos melee 14:40:16 would they notice if they did? 14:40:21 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:15 doubtful! 14:41:45 does it...work? 14:41:57 !source forget_random_spell 14:41:57 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#L5004 14:42:33 i don't see why it wouldn't, at a glance! assuming you hit a monster with a chaos weapon, get a miscast, get divinations as your random spell school, get max severity, and pass a 1/7 chance 14:43:06 that's pretty unlikely, especially the first part 14:43:17 maybe it was a zotdef tech with allied ocses 14:43:26 that seems about the only place it might have ever happened 14:43:28 i wonder if that shows up in xv 14:44:49 also, the +1 and comments in monster::scale_hp make me sad. shouldn't we actually scale properly, but keep the old value around to scale back down to? then we don't have this weird implied requirement of scaling up before scaling down 14:45:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:46:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:46:53 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:47:39 -!- Moritz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:10 �tell |amethyst Hey hey! I joined the mailinglist. Thanks for the link! 14:51:03 !tell |amethyst I also created a topic on a community of blind gamers. Maybe they will join us here too for some more input. 14:51:03 Moritz_: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 14:52:02 Thanks! 14:52:20 �messages 14:52:58 !messages 14:52:59 (1/1) rumflump said (2h 2m 51s ago): if you have a chance to listen to that accessibility talk I'd be curious whether it gives you any more ideas. if anyone in your community has experience coding, they can submit patches and pull requests, too! 14:54:59 !tell |sequell Oh, thats a good point! Can you tell me the Language in wich crawl is written? 14:54:59 Sorry Moritz_, I don't know who |sequell is. 14:55:12 it's mostly C and C++ 14:55:34 Aaah, then i allready know someone. 14:56:02 amethyst has that | pipe character at the beginning of the nickname, but most other people don't 14:56:20 HAHA, great! 14:56:22 sequell is just Sequell, I'm just rumflump, gammafunk is a floating eyeball 14:56:37 I thought it is syntax. 14:56:46 yeah, I could see thinking that 14:57:43 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:19 Oh, could you tell him also to send a short mail on the mailinglist if he codes something about accessible in one of the crawl-updates? 15:01:43 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:52 http://www.roguelikeradio.com/2012/10/episode-48-designing-for-visually.html 15:01:54 is relevant 15:02:22 they even discuss dcss I guess 15:03:10 Nice! 15:04:07 -!- geeko55 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:35 Bye for now. I will check in later again. 15:04:55 -!- Moritz_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 15:04:58 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:04 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:01 i recall doomrl saying something in its config files about it being playable via screen reader (and that some people did so successfully) 15:08:39 ah, and i guess doomrl is mentioned there yeah 15:10:34 -!- mobydollar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:12:11 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 15:14:33 -!- hittemvvvhard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:17:24 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:09 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 15:29:39 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:37 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:38:29 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:27 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:53:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:54:58 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 15:59:28 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:54 why does the character have brown pants, and what's going on above the head? http://i.imgur.com/ArO2NPS.png 16:06:24 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:29 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:14 well 16:08:35 a) there's a function that automatically assigns a pants tile to every character 16:08:58 and b) they have horns so they got the horns tile applied 16:09:35 in both cases i guess you could special-case those function to not do those things for imps 16:10:02 (but in general you should probably have the base tile match the proportions of all the others) 16:10:35 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:17:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:18:19 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:29 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:05 I'm tempted to just make NuImps not able to wear armor 16:28:14 because the MONS_CRIMSON_IMP tile is good 16:28:26 and the imp race tile is kind of a blobby red angel 16:28:49 guess it gets covered up by armour though so it won't be that visible 16:31:03 -!- Gregory has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:04 didn't realize those were horns, thanks btw! 16:31:47 -!- Kramin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:13 -!- Gregory has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:36:56 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:37:35 MarvinPA_: Oh no! 16:37:43 Sorry about that! 16:37:54 I only verified that the items stacked, and not that extra dungeon exits spawned 16:40:19 !messages 16:40:20 No messages for SteelNeuron. 16:40:40 -!- omniscienced is now known as omniscient 16:44:21 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:27 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 16:49:29 should draconian scorchers still have damnation now that damnation isn't fiery 16:49:42 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:50:56 also azrael i guess but he is at least a demon, technically 16:52:59 -!- omniscient has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:12 give everyone damnation 16:59:38 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:02:44 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:04:29 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:05:50 !hellfire ontoclasm 17:05:51 * Sequell ends ontoclasm in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 17:06:02 !damnation ontoclasm 17:06:02 * Sequell ends ontoclasm in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 17:06:10 !cmd !damnation 17:06:10 Command: !damnation => !hellfire $* 17:06:18 !cmd !hellfire 17:06:18 Command: !hellfire => .echo /me ends ${*:-it} in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 17:06:30 do the docs explain tiles somewhere? 17:06:52 rumflump: there is some stuff about tiles in docs/develop 17:06:59 I put "dorf.png" into the player/base/ folder but I need to put it in an enum I think 17:07:02 I think some guidelines for making them and adding new ones 17:07:11 ok, thanks 17:07:17 you actually have to modify a text file that's used to generate the enums 17:07:36 rumflump: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/tileguide.txt 17:07:40 in rltiles there are txt files that define the tile associations 17:07:49 i dunno if that's in the repo somewhere 17:08:01 cheers 17:08:51 I'm pretty sure there is a guide 17:10:56 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/tiles_creation.txt yes there is 17:12:35 is it possible to not make -m and -f variants? 17:12:41 yes 17:12:55 you don't need variants at all 17:13:24 only the first one gets used by default and the others only appear if the player intentionally picks them in the local tiles doll editore 17:13:28 editor* 17:13:32 *squints* ah, formicid is unvarianted 17:13:38 oh really, good to know 17:13:49 (i wish that wasn't the case but there you go) 17:13:54 I always assumed it chose randomly but my eyesight was too poor to notice the difference 17:14:08 i would prefer it to choose randomly 17:14:21 yeah, half your work is getting wasted ;) 17:14:34 such is life 17:14:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:39 I had no idea I've been a lady troll all this time, when I pick tr 17:14:47 * rumflump suddenly feels slightly fancy 17:15:10 of course there's also my long delayed full overhaul of all the player doll tiles 17:15:25 someday i'll have 200 hours to finish it 17:15:35 yeah well, projects of that size get delayed as a rule! 17:15:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/playerdolls.png 17:15:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:05 oh hella 17:16:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:39 just get the draconians in first, since they use special rules and are somewhat separate from all the normal races :D 17:17:04 equipment tiles... 17:17:07 yeah 17:17:15 equipment is the problem 17:17:45 those look so much better. is that really the same size as the current ones? 17:17:51 yeah 17:18:12 i mean, that image is scaled 2x 17:18:26 but the images are still 32x32 17:18:41 ah, ok 17:19:30 kinda reminds me of gnomoria at 2x size 17:21:17 the whole game might look better scaled like that 17:21:28 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:21:39 well, you'd need a pretty big monitor 17:21:41 <|amethyst> rumflump: tile_scale_pixels = 64 17:21:41 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:21:42 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:22:41 done and done, thanks 17:26:47 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:43 bahahaha http://i.imgur.com/zaI20LC.png 17:31:48 sick 17:32:33 this is definitely one of those feature-bugs 17:35:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:37:59 http://imgur.com/a/IhW2J 17:41:39 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:16 -!- surr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:28 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:50 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:45 -!- laj1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:15 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:58 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:39 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:36 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:53 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:17 -!- Ofeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:53 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-788-g5cc1a67 (34) 18:20:01 -!- frd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:01 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:46 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:20 -!- dhamilt9 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:01 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:35:35 omg 18:35:37 nightmare dwarf 18:40:15 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44:07 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 18:47:26 I don't understand what this does https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tilepick-p.cc#L1064 18:47:32 if a player tile has base felid parts, and if that felid has horns, hide all hair and wings? which it already doesn't have? 18:48:44 <|amethyst> if it doesn't have horns, hide the helm slot 18:48:58 <|amethyst> if it does have horns, the helm slot will get the horns, so shouldn't be hidden 18:49:15 yeah 18:49:21 <|amethyst> hair, beard, etc. etc are always hidden 18:49:30 <|amethyst> (for felids) 18:49:37 note that the code block there is in a block that tests for the base tile being a felid 18:50:11 oh you saw that part 18:50:32 rumflump: I think you may be misreading that if though, the result there only applies to helm 18:50:45 not the hair/wings etc 18:50:45 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:46 I should probably just ignore the felid stuff, to comprehend the rest easier 18:50:49 that's always being disabled 18:50:54 oh, the hair and wings aren't indented 18:50:56 right 18:51:13 my human eyes read no line break as being all one section 18:51:21 but the compiler just cares about indents 18:51:27 (this has gotten me into trouble twice) 18:51:35 rumflump: the compiler doesn't care about indents actually 18:51:47 it cares that the enclosing if has no braces to denote a block 18:51:51 so it assumes the block is one line 18:51:55 which is the next line 18:52:17 that's a shortened form of an if where the block after the conditional is just one line 18:52:26 not based on indent, but rather base on there being no { } braces 18:52:40 it does that thing where it gets mad and says "warning - naughty indentation - such and such looks like it's guarded by the "if" clause, but it's totally not" 18:53:14 oh, which does agree with what you're saying 18:53:24 yeah C++ doesn't care about indentation 18:53:26 moon base! 18:53:27 it's lacking the brace that makes it angry, not indenting wrong 18:53:42 the moon base isn't real 18:54:03 .gfgk 18:54:04 147. Glidergun the Pandemonic (L19 DsGl of Makhleb), blasted by a quicksilver dragon (bolt of dispelling energy) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2017-02-26 07:54:46, with 254540 points after 37611 turns and 2:57:19. 18:54:07 need to watch this tv 18:54:12 xl19 deaths can be amusing 18:54:21 Pandemonic, good title 18:54:25 is that invocations? 18:54:29 !title Pandemonic 18:54:32 Pandemonic: Invocations (Makhleb) 18:54:35 indeed 18:55:12 all those maklheb invocations and you died, for shame 18:56:31 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 18:59:29 gammafunk: moon base feature request: move the portal away from the loot 18:59:37 heh 18:59:38 it's ok 18:59:39 so i don't accidentally step in it while hoovering up rewards 18:59:41 you can get back in 18:59:51 actually my new transporter feature will fix that 18:59:51 oh 18:59:55 ah yes 19:00:03 but yeah you can just retake the portal 19:00:06 going to add > ? 19:00:11 to teleport 19:00:22 it's going to work like stairs 19:00:22 and be a kind of first-class thing in terms of 19:00:25 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:25 -!- Weretaco has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:27 monster pathing, autotravel 19:00:28 etc 19:00:38 but yeah it will use > or < as well 19:00:50 -!- yaknyasn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:02 -!- Mezriss has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:01:06 replace the hacky uses of golubria passages and allow for some nice within-level hijinks 19:01:15 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:22 which is more meaningful these days without teleport being so ridiculously common 19:01:29 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:40 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:45 the mythical transporters... 19:02:07 it's real, MarvinPA_ 19:02:08 and powerful 19:02:09 nice 19:02:33 i look forward to being able to navigate the roulette of golubria some day soon without just mashing directions at random and hoping i reach all the loot 19:02:40 Brannock: after playing with new !mut, I think mutations are in an alright place. It's pretty easy to get lots of good muts now, so if they're individually underwhelming it's ok 19:02:41 heh, yeah 19:03:10 Brannock: specifically, when I have a set of good muts, regardless of how useful they really are, I still start to play very carefully around mutators, but it's not the end of the world if I screw up 19:03:21 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:03:27 that was the rough intention. I think the system still need tweaks 19:03:50 speaking of mutations... "if you have the inhibited regeneration mutation, you don't regen HP if there's say, a submerged swamp worm SOMEWHERE in the swamp in your LoS range, which let me tell you is making clearing the swamp real shitty for me as {barachian}" 19:04:06 I went to gubroulette and had very little trouble, with the exclusion trick 19:04:41 rumflump: yeah, it's playable, but it doesn't work at all with autoexplore (or autotravel) 19:05:14 it seems less annoying than labyrinth, but maybe that's because I've only been there once 19:05:31 well labyrthings are a whole other beast, yeah 19:05:35 literally a minotaur, in fact 19:05:48 badum bop 19:06:03 Brannock: not a new problem. I think the lore would survive making it only affected by visible monsters, and it wouldn't really add any cool "take off sinv" tech 19:06:03 %git :/Heal wound 19:06:04