00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:22 New branch created: pull/473 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/473 00:01:22 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/473 * 0.20-a0-711-gab781cd: Load saves where desolation is incorrectly global 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 19+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab781cdc92f8 00:01:51 save compatibility causes so many problems 00:02:45 time to increment the major version 00:03:08 hellmonk: i liked the thread that had "@dev team" in the title and 8% of the responses are from devs 00:03:13 yeah 00:03:16 me 2 00:03:28 should i post in it to drop the ratio further 00:03:30 I would have replied to that thread but I'm not nearly qualified to do so given I still don't know what I'm doing 00:03:39 and if so, should I seriouspost or joke post 00:03:43 you should serious post. 00:03:54 kk 00:04:17 there's enough absurdity in the world already imo 00:06:21 // LOS radius. 00:06:22 int los_radius = LOS_RADIUS; 00:06:35 :) 00:06:35 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:49 Pleasingfungus: Really? LOS means line of sightdoesnt it 00:07:09 yes, something like that 00:07:12 :/ 00:08:01 also, this regex tweet i stole from minmay is really catching on... one of the more popular @crawlcode tweets 00:08:54 twitter thinks that los tweet is in lithuanian 00:09:54 freakin..! 00:09:57 I hate forgetting commas 00:12:06 microsoft seems to have a very cheap, fast, almost always wrong algorithm for guessing what language a tweet is in 00:12:43 !source mon-act.cc:2863 00:12:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc#L2863 00:12:51 does anyone understand this logic for the lurking horror? 00:13:14 recently I was editing a paper with a bunch of formulas in it that word decided were actually just spanish 00:13:44 wandering mushrooms and deathcaps work as follows: if they are unfriendly and in sanctuary, they'll leave. otherwise, if you can see them and they aren't friendly (or if they have other enemies around), they won't move. 00:14:02 didn't know lurking horrors were randomized like that 00:14:05 lurking horrors do the same, *except* if they're more than LOS radius away, in which case... 00:14:16 oh, i see, they *sometimes* ignore that condition 00:14:23 i missed the random2 00:14:25 ty all 00:14:42 I think outside of your los they are just supposed to move normally, right? 00:16:15 Pleasingfungus: uh...you know that screenshot isn't from crawl's code right 00:17:21 twitter wants to translate this los tweet from lithuanian 00:18:51 minmay: i retweeted a few other things from non-crawl code 00:18:54 but of the crawl spirit 00:19:04 similarly, those tire fire tweets from a while back 00:20:31 going over some of these tweets 00:20:35 I'm glad to see that I fixed at least one crawlcoded 00:20:46 by changing 'dead' to 'pending_revival' 00:22:03 New branch created: pull/474 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/474 00:22:03 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/474 * 0.20-a0-737-g9b1b46f: Convert from #ifndef *_H to #pragma once 10(10 minutes ago, 299 files, 299+ 905-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9b1b46f14a92 00:23:05 I finish what I promise! 00:23:30 to be honest I still don't understand the whole ifndef / pragma once thing 00:23:36 seems arbitrary 00:23:46 I guess you save two lines per file 00:24:18 if it wasn't arbitrary people wouldn't argue about it 00:24:23 lol 00:24:31 as much, that is 00:24:32 it's arbitrary, yes 00:25:57 ok, so when I was doing the enum split up, I wanted to use #pragma once 00:26:01 because it would be less work 00:26:12 and |amethyst said I could only do that if I also changed every other guard to pragma once 00:26:18 that still sounded like less work, so I did 00:26:56 is there a material advantage to this? 00:28:54 read up on it and this does sound better 00:29:05 incremental improvements to crawlcode! 00:29:59 crawlcode‏@crawlcode 11 Mar 2015 00:29:59 More 00:29:59 KPROP: X#kpq+^ag78yL45il%3x21*To$. 00:29:59 Translate from Indonesian 00:31:17 what's the advantage? 00:31:36 primarily it uses less code and is faster 00:31:41 going off the wiki page 00:31:43 which is highly scientific 00:31:46 Pleasingfungus, what editor do you use? some of the screenshots you submit look straight out of the Matrix 00:31:49 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-739-g6bb112f (34) 00:31:56 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8-tsiBIMAI6MBs.png:large this one in particular 00:32:26 xterm vim i bet 00:32:32 look at that beautifully anti-aliased font rendering 00:32:42 yeah, the anti-aliasing is what got me to comment 00:34:33 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:19 ah, that's os x's terminal 00:36:23 with vim, yes 00:38:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:43 and 90% opacity, with text and graphics from background windows showing 00:43:56 all default 00:44:07 well, the theme isn't quite default. but close! 00:47:32 Brannock: how about this: the barachians are the first, most flawed creations of the good gods, which rebelled against their masters and fled into the mortal world. also they're frogs 00:47:36 gods love frogs. 00:47:57 lucifrog 00:47:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:48:00 lucky frogs 00:48:05 give em a bad invo apt 00:48:12 they're not good with gods... 00:48:38 ooh, ooh, could we use "shaped in their own image"? 00:48:43 probably too cute... 00:50:26 I don't think crawl should assign shapes to the gods 00:51:41 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:52:57 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53:29 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:50 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:11 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 00:54:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:56:08 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:44 minmay: yeah 00:56:55 it'd be a good joke, but it's not worth it 00:57:04 rip froggods 00:57:04 rip 00:57:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:28 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02:36 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:58 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:14 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16:18 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:53 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-739-g6bb112f (34) 01:22:44 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:22:54 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:26:42 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:17 New branch created: long_los (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/long_los 01:32:17 03PleasingFungus02 07[long_los] * 0.20-a0-727-g3a59eff: Change the maximum LOS to 8 10(42 minutes ago, 23 files, 54+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a59eff21601 01:32:17 03PleasingFungus02 07[long_los] * 0.20-a0-728-g16a101f: Give Barachians LOS 8 (gammafunk) 10(8 minutes ago, 7 files, 56+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/16a101f5a071 01:34:20 Pleasingfungus: I'd suggest "servants for the gods" instead of "servants for the good gods" 01:34:56 i specifically want to make it about the good gods; i don't think most gods would have any association with shadow-repulsion? 01:35:43 if the concern is that 'good gods' is clunky... uh, i agree 01:35:49 Pleasingfungus: as in, let readers infer on their own that it's the good gods. not a big deal obvs 01:35:54 ah, hm 01:36:01 reasonable. will make a note and sleep on it 01:37:51 any opinion about apts etc? 01:41:56 to me it all looks pretty balanced 01:42:18 apts are good but slow is bad so it evens out 01:42:47 it does make it more obvious how awful naga is, but that's Na's fault not Ba's 01:43:04 heh 01:43:23 if that's balanced, i might tweak stats back down a little and bump hop's range 01:43:33 will see what others think 01:44:03 ty for feedback! good night :) 01:44:07 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 01:44:35 !tell pleasingfungus it makes sense to give Ba the same total stats as Hu, yeah 01:44:35 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:46:22 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46:44 !tell pleasingfungus I do think hop is not going to be the main feature of this race that sticks in people's heads - naga isn't famous for poison spit and nightstalker isn't famous for increasing your stealth number 01:46:45 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:48:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:49:39 !tell pleasingfungus but increased los is cooler anyway 01:49:40 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:50:07 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51:12 !tell pleasingfungus also when barachians get removed in 0.45 we already have the perfect reaction image 01:51:12 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:51:22 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:58 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-739-g6bb112f 02:01:20 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08:36 -!- Ofeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:12:02 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:17:51 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:19:34 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:26:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:28 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:38:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:40:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:44:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:38 The build passed. (long_los - 16a101f #7937 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/204870437 02:44:38 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:45:32 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:05 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:48:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:02 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51:50 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:52:01 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:53:28 -!- Dix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:09 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-739-g6bb112f 02:55:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:58 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:38 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:19 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:00:34 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:02:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:08:52 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:11:17 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:19:18 -!- maxxx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:43 -!- adibis is now known as aditya 03:24:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-739-g6bb112f (34) 03:25:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:29:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:18 New branch created: pull/475 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/475 03:31:18 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/475 * 0.20-a0-740-gcaed386: Fix DEAD_MONSTER message prompt on wall jump 10(in the future, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/caed386bb9bc 03:37:12 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:32 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:51:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:58 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:37 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:05 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:41 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:13:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:35 I'm tempted to code a Sling unrand that bounces 04:45:43 like double zapping but taking monsters as terrain 04:45:54 Any big problems right off the bat? 04:46:27 (two bounces per shot, if you have a shield it may even not harm you) 04:47:21 lightning sling? 04:47:57 you could call it odin's eyepatch 04:48:56 {elec, str+5, inacc} 04:49:38 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:52 Hi there, i noticed that demonic guardians don't care if i hit them (which is good, I guess it allows me to cast tornado whenever i want), but Okawaru is still offended 04:52:32 what version? 04:52:41 last version in trunk 04:52:53 xtahua 04:53:02 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:53:11 i mean, i have no ability to help you. But i thought that was taken care of 04:53:17 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:21 Precisely it happened when i was confused by a tarentula 04:53:37 I thought so too :s 04:55:08 !tell gammafunk Alarkh says he hit his demonic guardian while confused by a tarentella and oka gave him penance. Is this as designed? 04:55:08 ProzacElf: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 04:55:48 you probably won't get an answer for a day or so 04:56:17 Yeah, not a problem, i'll be careful in the mean time 04:56:36 but if you drop back in periodically you will probably hear something 04:56:42 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:55 but yeah, i don't think that's intentional 04:57:50 the demonic guardian stuff has changed a lot over the years 04:58:25 someone may have just overlooked the interaction with oka 04:58:41 I remember it used to be a normal summon, then okawaru disabled it, then it was supposed to be like right now 04:59:05 modulo the current interaction with oka 04:59:16 heh 04:59:33 well, you can now shoot arrows and bolts and spells through the guardian 05:00:04 which used to just be a nightmare back in like 0.13 and before 05:00:07 really ? :o 05:00:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:23 well, you should be able to 05:00:31 unless something got reverted 05:00:35 lol 05:00:46 i haven't played a ds in several months 05:01:02 because i'm trying to finish some really annoying combos 05:01:35 You throw a throwing net. 05:01:35 Your demonic guardian avoids your attack. 05:01:38 indeed :) 05:01:43 see? 05:01:44 =D 05:02:25 i bet someone just overlooked the oka interaction for confusion 05:03:09 I also noticed monster's (or spider's at least) OOD now disappear out of vision range :) 05:03:20 and it was just some old code about oka being cranky about you hurting your allies 05:03:30 oh no, it doesnt destroy walls, that's it 05:03:39 lol 05:03:44 i haven't noticed that 05:03:59 but i won't argue with you 05:04:05 =] 05:05:37 :p 05:05:39 disintegration beams no longer destroy walls 05:05:50 so no more digging from OODs, wand of disintegration, eyes of devastation, etc. 05:06:02 -!- freechips has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06:07 you still have access to infinite digging from LRD though 05:06:33 ProzacElf: I wasn't thinking of lightning, but rather +7 hunting sling "Trick Shot" {Velocity, ricochet} 05:07:08 SteelNeuron: unless it also has penetration, there arent many situations where that effect would do anything... 05:07:55 well, the idea would be to bounce against yourself too 05:07:59 since it bounces twice 05:08:08 or to find angle shots 05:08:40 so in a corridor you get to hit an enemy twice in exchange for some damage to yourself (which you can potentially reduce a lot with shields, or reflection) 05:08:49 so you need to either find extremely specific positioning or do 33% of the damage to yourself 05:09:37 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:09:37 the former of which is annoying and the latter of which is a horrible deal - do you hit yourself with fireball when there are two adjacent monsters? 05:09:39 hm, fair enough 05:09:46 maybe it can just bounce at a random direction 05:09:53 when hitting a monster 05:10:13 not sure that'd help 05:10:50 Could be an intelligent ricochet : bounces on you without hurting you :p 05:10:59 also if it misses once, your trick shot is over prematurely 05:11:30 it seems more practical to have it bounce in the direction of another nearby monster 05:12:45 existing bolt bouncing spells are penetrating for a reason (do you *ever* bounce throw flame/frost/tongue off of green crystal?) 05:13:43 a lightning bolt follows the same path whether it hits a monster or not, whereas if this weapon "bounces off monsters" it presumably bounces in a different way (or not at all) if it misses 05:14:47 in the example you give of bouncing it off yourself, your to-hit roll needs to succeed 3 times in a row in order for it to be better *than not having ricochet at all*, and if it only succeeds the first two times then it's *worse* than no brand 05:15:42 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16:54 I'd suggest this instead: it bounces off the monster directly towards another, nearby monster that it hasn't bounced to already, and this continues until it either 1. misses, or 2. doesn't have a clear path to a monster it hasn't hit yet 05:17:58 this is superficially similar to chain lightning, but it's only useful against multiple targets (whereas chain lightning is best against a single target), and it isn't better at close range (like chain lightning is) 05:18:47 but it's late so i'm going to go try to have a dream about a certain unique instead of continuing this thought 05:20:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 05:20:46 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:22:29 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:08 Nightstalker mutation typo 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10950 by Alarkh 05:31:39 that's a good point about chain lightning 05:32:02 I was trying to avoid the chain lightning pattern but I hadn't stopped to think that it's work against single target in dcss 05:32:22 to maximize fun: It ricochets smartly if it can (towards another monster) randomly if it can't. 05:32:40 and with a 10% chance of random ricochet always 05:33:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:12 to be fair 05:36:36 trying to maximize fun will generally only result in maximum bitching 05:39:12 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:40:56 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:28 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46:36 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:26 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:42 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:57 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:10 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:12 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:26 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:22:01 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:01 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:27:52 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:28:15 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:37 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:21 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:40 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:52:47 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:03 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:56:21 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:20 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:12 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:21 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:32 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:28 -!- debo has quit [Quit: o/] 07:11:30 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12:46 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:18:26 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:41 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:28:06 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 07:28:11 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 07:38:53 -!- Senjai has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 07:39:09 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:58 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:01:19 -!- kobby has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:05:16 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:15 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:38 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:46 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:31 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:19:56 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:19 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:57 -!- wheals__ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:21:41 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:26 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22:35 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:22:42 -!- kreedzfreak_ is now known as kreedzfreak 08:34:25 -!- hittemvvvhard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:31 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38:08 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:05 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46:29 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:46:29 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:46:54 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 08:47:14 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:58 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:58:34 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:20 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:02:00 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:13:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:14:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:58 I wonder if this desolation save corruption bug could somehow be platform specific 09:22:04 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:36 -!- surr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:43 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:58 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:00 -!- sneaky has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:26 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37:06 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:39 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:40 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:59:46 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:11 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:37 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:47 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:28 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:21:12 !tell PleasingFungus I like the new Barachian concept! After sleeping on it LOS 8 is much more significant than I was thinking last night. These aptitude boosts might be a bit much, though. Only by a bit, though 10:21:13 Brannock: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:23:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:49 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26:26 -!- orbisvicis has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:11 -!- Zeor has quit [Client Quit] 10:29:30 -!- sneaky has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:53 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:33:04 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:35:04 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:42 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:02 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 10:40:11 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:14 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:52 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 10:46:11 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:50 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:51 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:00:12 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:32 03PleasingFungus02 07[long_los] * 0.20-a0-729-g6bc406c: Ba: attributes down, hop range up 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6bc406ce9a4e 11:07:56 oh no 11:08:00 he's doing it... 11:09:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[long_los] * 0.20-a0-730-gf7f82b7: Tweak Ba description 10(79 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7f82b74eb3c 11:09:38 the absolute madman 11:10:05 !tell minmay yeah, if they end up in a fun state, i'm happy regardless of what their 'marquee' ability actually ends up being 11:10:06 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 11:10:22 !tell minmay ps send me the reaction image 11:10:23 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 11:10:32 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:15:19 hmm, "fled into" or "fled to"? 11:15:26 both are grammatically correct 11:15:35 but the former implies that the mortal world is a subset, the latter implies it's separate 11:17:33 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:21:17 showed a couple of my friends the new concept, they agree it feels exciting now (conceptually) 11:21:26 so there's your insignificant sample size 11:21:51 I think the tension between slow movement 1 and high LOS, with hopping being able to break that pull between the two when the player feels necessary, really works 11:22:19 back to shoveling the 5 inches of snow that fell overnight 11:22:21 <|amethyst> tension? 11:22:58 <|amethyst> without having tried it, slow + high los seems like it would be more of a synergy (against the player) 11:26:20 i think you're agreeing 11:26:46 Brannock: i was vaguely implying the existence of some heaven-like realm, possibly whatever would go into panhell roulette if that ever happens 11:26:49 hence 'to' 11:27:01 not something i feel that strongly about, i guess 11:27:07 -!- sneaky has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:30 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:33:04 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:20 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:37:38 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-740-g05c1739: Merge _prompt_job and _prompt_species 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 71+ 176-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05c1739a1f80 11:37:38 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-741-g02c9e3c: Merge special buttons for background and species menus into one function 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 101+ 223-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02c9e3ca329c 11:38:27 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:30 ^ doing a bit of grunt work before attempting to set up species in groups, like jobs are 11:41:45 -!- socks__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:42:08 -!- advil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:17 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [] 11:43:20 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:43:26 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44:26 * Pleasingfungus grunts 11:46:39 * Lasty mumras 11:49:51 by tension I meant the two-way of "I am slow" and "I see them coming". Previously it was just "I am slow", which felt skewed 11:49:56 My terminology's insufficient here 11:50:12 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:31 Lasty, thanks for the cleanup! All the duplicated code was confusing me when I tried to work on that 11:54:36 ??is cbro up 11:54:36 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:54:36 I don't have a page labeled is_cbro_up in my learndb. 11:55:42 Brannock: yeah, ditto. I had to clean it up a bit before I could start to get my head around what actually needed to be done. 11:56:49 !lm * cbro 11:56:54 3028903. [2017-02-24 16:38:37] SmilinJack the Impaler (L19 MfSk of Wu Jian) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 34520. (Spider:4) 11:58:58 -!- Mezriss has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:00:00 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:22 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:03:10 looks like cbro is down 12:03:11 is cbro down 12:03:12 I can't remember how to do that check 12:03:12 4 minutes, 19 seconds since last activity (cbro) 12:03:21 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:35 my znc looks screwed up and I can't seem to connect. I won't have time to mess with it till tonight 12:03:35 I bet console is working ok 12:04:01 johnstein: console was down for 5 min or so 12:04:05 but it seems to be working now 12:04:05 please pass on the word. if I get 5-10 minutes I might be able to mess with it at work. but I kinda doubt it 12:04:13 yea. looks like the server rebooted 12:04:33 and webtiles isn't on auto start I don't think 12:04:58 03PabloMansanet02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-742-ge594533: Fix DEAD_MONSTER message prompt on wall jump 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5945338a3a8 12:05:30 -!- Thomus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:05:42 wow, we never added Steel Neuron to mailmap/credits? 12:06:00 Seems like an oversight that should be corrected 12:06:01 !tell SteelNeuron How would you like to be credited? By 'SteelNeuron' or your real name? What's your email address so we can add you to the mailmap? 12:06:02 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 12:06:08 https://twitter.com/nodestatus/status/835173722952716288 12:07:42 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:32 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:25 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-741-g02c9e3c (34) 12:09:41 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:24 hey is there a reason the invisibility spell can't be cancelled but the invisibility cloak can be 12:11:10 webtiles is back. Rotatell back later 12:11:20 oh it's 12:11:24 a property of the cloak 12:11:25 ew 12:11:32 lol 12:11:38 you can cancel invis from any source if you are wearing the cloak 12:11:39 Doesnty: you can take off the cloak to cancel the effect as well, which is obnoxious. 12:11:48 Doesnty: oh, huh. That's pretty funny. 12:11:51 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:11:55 i think that's a bug 12:11:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:12:01 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:02 definitely not intended 12:12:03 wait no you can't 12:12:09 the game does track where the invis came from 12:12:18 good 12:12:38 good. 12:12:41 bueno. 12:13:01 spell invis being uncancellable is bad though imo 12:13:12 why. 12:13:33 spending time invisible accumulates contam 12:13:58 so you mean "bad for the player"? 12:14:18 fr: high level charms spell "Slow Missiles", while active gives all projectiles OOD-behavior 12:14:19 also i'm pretty sure the duration of the invis spell scales to spellpower 12:14:22 bad for player, good for play 12:14:25 which has the ugly effect of 12:14:32 making low power invis spell sometimes desirable 12:14:40 that part's true! 12:14:55 Pleasingfungus: I chant that to myself 10 times each morning to psych myself up for a hard day's deving 12:14:57 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:14 haha 12:15:36 wow, i've been slacking, apparently! 12:15:44 is there a compelling reason to keep the invisibility spell uncancellable? 12:15:53 Yes. 12:16:32 The player shouldn't be encouraged to micromanage invisibility and toggle it off manually after every time they use it. That would be very annoying! 12:16:41 It's unavoidable with the cloak, since you can just take it off. 12:16:46 So we might as well give you the ability. 12:16:53 -!- advil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:02 ^ agreed 12:17:05 But for the spell, potions, etc, there's no reason to encourage that micromanagement. 12:17:28 you could contaminate the player at start of the spell, instead of tying it to duration 12:17:30 Tho come to think of it, it'd be nice if we took away the cancel ability from the cloak and had removing the cloak give you all the extra contam that waiting out the invis would apply 12:17:50 Brannock: contam over time means a larger chance of hitting them with glow when it's inconvenient 12:17:54 ah, yeah 12:18:01 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:26 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 Tho come to think of it, it'd be nice if we took away the cancel ability from the cloak and had removing the cloak give you all the extra contam that waiting out the invis would apply 12:18:27 lasty to do[1/21]: Tho come to think of it, it'd be nice if we took away the cancel ability from the cloak and had removing the cloak give you all the extra contam that waiting out the invis would apply 12:19:56 i'm not sure if i agree with forcing the player to cancel a lot would be bad when using invisibility 12:20:04 because currently you're kind of forced to 5 a lot when you're using it 12:20:06 I am 12:20:38 yeah, what's faster: 5ing a bunch or using an ability and then 5ing a bunch? 12:21:04 Lasty, I can't remember where I read this, probably in one of the threads complaining about the identify game: "Getting your first rune automatically identifies everything from that point forward, and destroys all identify scrolls and prevents them from generating / trove requirement" 12:21:22 even worse: remembering to use an ability, then using it, then 5ing a bunch 12:21:26 i made a thread proposing something similar to that 12:21:29 but it was on the third rune 12:21:32 though I'd probably put it on second rune 12:21:36 first is too early 12:21:36 because someone was complaining about ID'ing cloaks in zot 12:22:07 and that's a fair point re: invis 12:22:10 third rune at least gives you the 'fun' of identifying shit you find in Vaults/Slime 12:22:14 !tell Brannock hi! My real name "Pablo Mansanet" will do for crediting :) 12:22:14 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:22:14 which is a nice little boost of dopamine 12:22:14 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 12:22:20 I am right here SteelNeuron :) 12:22:20 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:22:26 sorry, was scrolled up haha 12:22:31 it's true that the ID game has generally lost all good effect by that point. I've got no problem with that idea. I think someone did tho. Maybe dpeg? 12:22:42 SteelNeuron, what about email address? 12:22:50 sorry 12:22:53 pablomansanet@gmail.com 12:22:56 easy one 12:22:57 seems very clunky to me 12:23:06 i have a slight problem with it, in that it discourages saving ID scrolls when you are coming up on the third rune, but the game already does that to blink scrolls 12:23:12 also, putting it on third rune is mostly pointless 12:23:18 the game's over by then! 12:23:30 zot spawns a shitzillion cloaks 12:23:33 because of draconians 12:23:43 and it is annoying to put on and take off every single one to see if one is MR 12:24:10 true dat 12:24:57 it doesn't spawn that many these days 12:25:05 since cloaks were removed from non-classed dracs 12:25:13 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-743-g1de7011: Add SteelNeuron to CREDITS.txt and mailmap 10(46 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1de7011fc1e3 12:25:31 that's still one for every drac knight/warper/caller/monk/annihilator 12:25:32 also, who's worried about equipment in zot and not diving it? 12:25:40 and zot sometimes generates sinister layouts that 12:25:47 force you to go through a lot of rude stuff to dive 12:25:57 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:13 *stormcaller 12:26:14 ;) 12:26:19 there are 30 cloaks in an average zot, of which about 1 will have an ego 12:26:32 that is a lot imo 12:26:37 one is a lot? 12:26:40 also checking for that ego is optimal because MR is huge 12:26:42 maybe a few more that have plusses or are cursed. maybe four, five cloaks you have to try on? 12:26:45 when you're coming up on alich hell 12:26:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-741-g02c9e3c (34) 12:27:04 assuming, again, that you clear all of zot 12:27:14 also some people are crazy and do clear all of zot 12:27:17 I used to dive depths/zot but now I generally clear it 12:27:21 okay. i don't care about crazy people 12:27:26 craaaazy 12:27:28 they have made their bed, and they may lie in it. 12:28:05 isn't that like 12:28:17 counter to the whole hypothetical optimal play mindset 12:28:30 it's exactly that mindset. 12:28:59 if you are going to play in a suboptimal, crazy way that makes you have less fun... well, okay, that's your choice. 12:29:05 what am i gonna do about that? I can't stop you. 12:29:14 also some of those crazy people are just naive 12:29:17 the only thing i can try to do is say, okay, let's make *optimal* play as fun as possible. 12:29:21 yes 12:29:32 also, i found better cloak stats: about 3 enchanted cloaks and about 2 cursed ones, in a full clear of zot 12:29:37 -!- freechips has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:29:41 that's not a big deal. 12:29:44 "water finds a crack" and such, so what we can do as designers is make sure that when that does happen, the underlying foundation is robust and stable 12:30:07 -!- GauHelldragon3 is now known as GauHelldragon 12:30:10 if someone wants topile rubble on top of that, that's their prerogative 12:30:30 this is quite the metaphor. 12:30:30 I love metaphors. 12:31:52 metaphors are like... a bear 12:32:01 You just opened my eyes 12:32:11 http://www.designer-notes.com/?p=369 this is what I'm referencing, by the way, for anyone who doesn't know the quote I used 12:33:45 heh, i just realized i stole from this without remembering the source 12:33:54 years and years since i read it last... 12:34:06 I think I linked this once in the Crawl thread a few years back 12:34:17 i think i ran into it when it was first posted 12:34:18 i'm a hipster. 12:34:21 nice 12:35:37 New branch created: pull/476 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/476 12:35:37 03chereshnev02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/476 * 0.20-a0-744-g72e10ea: Update CREDITS.txt 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/72e10eacbcb2 12:36:20 three characters 12:36:24 I wonder what the smallest commit has been? 12:36:27 probably a checkwhite that killed one space 12:37:33 03chereshnev02 {Brannock} 07* 0.20-a0-744-gcc014f1: Update CREDITS.txt (#476) 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc014f1852f0 12:40:58 Pleasingfungus, do you mind looking at 473? that one's above my technical knowledge 12:41:04 and that fix should be done sooner than later 12:42:15 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:25 it looked reasonable, i just haven't had the time to test it 12:42:29 or the energy, i guess 12:42:50 if amalloy's around, it might be nice if he glanced at it, since he was the other person who's investigated that bug 12:44:29 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:46 i wasn't around until this very second 12:45:11 i'll look at it 12:45:19 tyvm! 12:45:37 !seen geekosaur 12:45:38 I last saw geekosaur at Fri Feb 24 05:43:42 2017 UTC (12h 1m 56s ago) saying 'and 90% opacity, with text and graphics from background windows showing' on ##crawl-dev. 12:49:07 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:49:08 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:49:23 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:49:35 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:30 huh, i haven't commented on a PR since github introduced their concept of a "review". seems neat 12:51:06 I really love the whole rebase-and-merge and squash-and-merge buttons because now I can edit commit messages directly without having to do it locally, useful for rephrasing stuff or adding [skip ci] painlessly 12:51:50 oh, i knew about squash but didn't know they'd added a rebase button as well. that's a nice middle ground 12:53:16 i was more excited to see that there's a way to write N comments at a time and submit them all at once 12:53:46 rather than having to untangle a conversation in which they're replying to comment N by committing more stuff while i'm still writing comment N+2 12:54:19 usability! 12:54:54 Brannock: re smallest commit, i'm sure we've had one-byte changes; i think i've submitted some myself. i would be quite surprised if we've never seen a one-bit change, even 12:55:25 moo? 12:56:07 * geekosaur loads 473 12:56:40 oh, sorry 12:56:47