00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:18 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-738-gb057e68 (34) 00:02:19 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.4-10-g532645f 00:02:58 -!- dondy1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 00:04:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:16 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:15:18 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21:25 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:54 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:33:21 -!- soundlust__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:59 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:17 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 00:37:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:38:11 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:43:18 -!- sooheon has quit [Quit: Using Circe, the loveliest of all IRC clients] 00:44:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:25 !tell lasty sacrifice idea: sacrifice memory -- lose some spell levels. from a bcadren thread 00:46:26 alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:46:51 do you get free amnesia? 00:47:14 or, can you end up with more spell levels worth of memorized spells than your cap? 00:48:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:07 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 00:49:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:52:47 that seems like an obvious sacrifice for many characters 00:52:59 even without cheese, yeah 00:53:21 arcana does the same thing, conceptually 00:54:52 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:02 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:06:31 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:10:20 mmm 01:10:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:37 whirlwind is preeeettttyyy good with spriggan speed 01:12:10 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:22:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:15 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:30 Pleasingfungus: i guess you forget all spells that go over the cap in some arbitrary order, since book destruction doesn't really exist 01:24:58 also, the piety you get from the sacrifice would depend on how much the spell levels matter to you -- I don't think a MiFi would get much piety 01:25:22 ProzacElf: it attacks probabilistically based on weapon speed, so it shouldn't be much better than any normal speed species 01:26:06 it doesn't seem to hit all that often but i still cleared an ant vault mostly just by walking circles around them 01:26:08 -!- omniscient has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:26:19 although i was also using a venom dagger 01:30:51 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:00 this mechanic is directly taken from Sil! 01:32:35 -!- Limulus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:35:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:32 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 01:38:56 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:42:12 haha 01:44:58 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:15 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:16 -!- tantanoid has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:48 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:50 -!- Guest66891 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:02:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:45 -!- Guest66891 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:19 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:35 -!- tantanoid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16:51 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:19 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:21 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:27:45 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:30:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:34:34 -!- ebarrett_ has quit [] 02:34:53 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:03 Missing eldritch tentacle segment tile 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10949 by Esc 02:41:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:45:30 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:58:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:22 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:23 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:15 !messages 03:00:15 (1/4) eb_ said (6h 27m 24s ago): having the god be defined by passives that are actually pseudoactives that you need to "activate" in each and every combat turn by moving to the appropriate free space sort of defeats the point of these being passives, imo; the god is extremely powerful but feels very exhausting to play 03:00:44 !messages 03:00:44 (1/3) eb_ said (6h 27m 16s ago): of course some people love having more than tabbing to do in melee and others have asked for combat moves for years so who knows 03:00:44 !messages 03:00:44 (1/2) Brannock said (6h 5m 33s ago): "Song of Slaying stacks very nicely with Heaven on Earth, my goodness" 03:00:44 !messages 03:00:44 (1/1) Brannock said (6h 5m 14s ago): Also I'm seeing a few reports about people with WJC killing TRJ in one move. Unsure if there's some weird interaction there 03:01:43 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:45 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02:00 !tell eb_ that's what Brannock and I have been discussing to fix by slightly decreasing the damage on whirlwind, so it's still worth tabbing against irrelevant enemies to reduce effort through a long game. But generally, people are loving to mix it up 03:02:00 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let eb_ know. 03:02:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03:05 !tell Brannock People using short blades sometimes get surprised about their suddenly huge burst damage, but that's usually due to spending many auts in attacks at once. I wonder if there's something special going on with TRJ though, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head 03:03:06 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 03:04:03 btw, any Sequell wizard around here? I would like to know the relative success of Spriggan^WJC compared to other races, and I have no idea where to begin :) 03:04:32 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:36 -!- ArseElementalist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:08:48 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11:47 !lg * wu_jian s=crace / won o=% 03:11:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:11:51 44/1617 games for * (wu_jian): 4/27x Vampire [14.81%], 1/8x Halfling [12.50%], 4/57x Hill Orc [7.02%], 2/29x Ogre [6.90%], 4/82x Vine Stalker [4.88%], 3/64x Draconian [4.69%], 3/67x Centaur [4.48%], 3/86x Formicid [3.49%], 7/285x Demonspawn [2.46%], 3/123x Troll [2.44%], 8/373x Minotaur [2.14%], 1/57x Human [1.75%], 1/61x Merfolk [1.64%], 0/39x Octopode [0.00%], 0/49x Spriggan [0.00%], 0/31x Tengu... 03:11:59 SteelNeuron: ^ 03:12:33 yeah, very small sample size still... 03:12:43 thanks! 03:13:12 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-738-gb057e68 (34) 03:13:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:27 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16:34 -!- freechips has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:06 small sample size on spriggan specifically? 03:18:24 because 1600+ total games is a pretty legit sample size in general 03:22:21 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23:48 Well 03:23:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:24:01 the reason why I'm asking is because there's this guy on webtiles and tavern that I spectated a lot 03:24:11 that is VERY insistent that Spriggan is unplayable with the new martial scaling 03:24:25 I really disagree, but he's said it so much that I want some hard data :) 03:24:33 I think spriggan is fine FWIW, just squishy as spriggans are 03:24:44 with the older (broken) scaling they were overpowered 03:25:04 I think you were saying yourself that spriggan works well 03:25:23 I suggest not trusting things you hear in webtiles chat 03:25:59 I know, I know, I'm just aware he has played a significant amount of IJC, I tend to listen to testers that have devoted a lot of time to the god a bit more 03:26:17 but in this case I really disagree with him anyway 03:28:12 interesting that vampires get that mane WJC wins by the way 03:28:15 many* 03:28:26 May be due to vamp weapons scaling better 03:29:13 it's just jiangshi roleplayers 03:29:32 haha 03:29:39 i mean, you're watching me now 03:29:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29:51 and i'm having a fine time with whirlwind and lunge 03:30:21 i mean, yes, fucking around might get you killed 03:30:37 because 3 ac and 32 EV already lends itself to you possibly getting murdered 03:30:56 but it's not that hard to not get surrounded as a spriggan even when you try to use the combat moves 03:31:45 i'm not using wall jump as much, but that's mainly because i create enough space that lunge is more effective 03:34:58 whoa 03:35:01 2 of me 03:35:12 you see that SteelNeuron? 03:35:43 what happened? 03:35:55 i used phial and then lunged 03:36:05 and there's an after image on webtiles 03:36:12 heh 03:36:18 disappeared when i moved back over it 03:36:20 I couldn't see it 03:36:23 maybe just something weird 03:36:28 probably just something on my end 03:36:55 I could only see two water elems 03:36:59 ok 03:37:07 there was an extra dream sheep tile too 03:37:16 -!- Guest66891 has quit 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use all day 03:47:16 i'm sure it would be the opposite with a naga, or even a regular speed race 03:49:15 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:53 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51:07 You can do overflow vaults with two concrete gods in them right? 03:51:23 in fact, i'm pretty sure that wjc with spriggan really encourages short blades 03:51:25 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:51:27 more than spriggan alraedy does 03:51:30 already 03:51:41 I'm thinking of making one that shows Chei and WJC not getting along (a bunch of blood, daggers and staves scattered around) 03:51:51 ProzacElf: Agreed 03:51:51 overflow vaults often have multiple gods 03:52:26 and also, there are already the themed vaults with like makh vs tso 03:52:30 so i'm sure a chei vs wjc one would be cool 03:52:33 I can imagine Chei and WJC being bitter rivals :) 03:52:40 i should make an overflow vault hinting at sif muna's relationship with duvessa 03:53:03 which one's the bondage 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or for monsters is it a passive like the old protection brand 11:58:59 i think it's still a passive 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:21 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:28 trying to decide what brand to give hepl-hexer ally if I make hepl a good god. because draining is naughty! 12:01:59 thinking protection or speed, most good dagger brands are "naughty", thankfully antimagic isn't 12:02:31 bend the definition of "good", set up a competition complex between help and the rest :p 12:03:29 what does a 'good god' mean? someone who you can freely switch between with TSO et al? 12:03:35 Also, do you know why it's currently Draining? 12:03:36 I was thinking of giving hepl an exception for some of the naughty things actually! but it seemed like a good fit because necromancy actually is a pretty mean thing to do to ancestors 12:03:50 note that hep is currently non-evil, just neutral 12:03:52 like oka 12:04:02 yes, good god. turning Zin into a truly "hate everything" god, and putting hepl in with tso and ely instead 12:04:56 obviously this isn't a pull request for trunk (inb4 marvin) 12:05:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-738-gb057e68 (34) 12:05:21 -!- FunkyGnoll has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:30 it's currently draining because draining is a very hex like thing to do, and goes well with daggers in general? 12:06:56 maybe making hepl ok with draining is a better idea, geeko, thank you for the thought 12:07:32 draining things specifically makes them easier to hex (i assume the reason PF was getting at) 12:07:32 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:07:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:55 actually I would argue hepl makes a bad good god... because, in some sense, hepl *is* essentially necro 12:07:56 or actually maybe the timeline for that doesn't work out, i guess that was a more recent change 12:08:18 you could flavor it as a positive energy spirit 12:08:18 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:08:27 yeah, traditional european fantasy definitions of necro and evil, for sure that's correct 12:08:41 but I see hepl and "ancestor spirits" as very in line with shinto stuff 12:09:21 right, that gets into questions of "but is all necro truly evil?" which are great for philosophers but not so good for roguelikes to explore 12:09:58 FR: wraparound spiders https://twitter.com/Strange_Animals/status/812294195205509120 12:09:58 (iirc this isn't he first time *that* question has come up) 12:10:26 Pleasingfungus: i'd originally intended just to reword some of the table entries when i noticed it claimed ancestors had splint mail! but then i got carried away 12:11:05 crawl (or a fork of crawl, naturally) probably can avoid worrying about whether it's universally or "objectively" good or evil. the question is simply whether your current god hates it or not 12:11:27 polytheism_reasons :D 12:12:50 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:13:07 hep is currently impossible to anger without directly abandoning them i think 12:13:29 probably too busy with ancestral bureacracy to go discipline mortals 12:13:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:05 MarvinPA: wait, oh no! don't tell me you removed splint mail... again.... 12:16:29 afraid so! 12:16:32 noooooo 12:16:40 -!- Mezriss has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:17:04 rumflump: describing hepl as necromancy is quite the stretch. the ancestors you summon are memory constructs, not true 'spirits of the dead' - hence your ability to 'remember' their name, class, etc differently 12:17:30 Brannock: hm, what's positive energy? don't think crawl has any such concept.... perhaps you're thinking of d&d? ;) 12:17:35 is good point. 12:18:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:21 tragically, crawl still does have such a thing 12:18:33 oh, right, rN rings? 12:18:47 yes :( 12:18:58 :) 12:19:05 Brannock: i apologize, and appreciate your spiders. 12:19:09 it looks like good gods ban all the fun brands(/sarc) in both goditem.cc and item-use.cc, I should probably make an exception in both, for my Hep, if I go with the geekosuggestion and don't change the brand? 12:19:13 graciously accepted 12:20:21 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22:46 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:07 -!- mittak has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 12:26:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:26:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:31:41 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:18 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:18 -!- dustinm`_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:33 Pleasingfungus, I'd argue even that is a form of necromancy, just not the standard DCSS form 12:32:47 but, like I said, philosophy/theology 12:33:31 heh 12:34:21 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:51 theomancy 12:35:41 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:50 http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/The_Undying_Court 12:37:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:52 unlife to a corpse, unlife to a memory... 12:37:56 not linking it in a QED way, just "here's a fantasy gaming thing that also plays around with non-evil necromancy" 12:38:10 yeh 12:38:51 and, reality (in this case, of religions/philosophies) steadfastly refuses to fit itself into our little boxes 12:39:37 hello, my name is dia de los muertos, and I have tasty cookies 12:39:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:02 (not to mention those belief systems where the dead *are* the good gods) 12:43:41 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:50 -!- Guest66891 has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:50 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: lates] 12:48:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:49:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:56 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:13 I think I've now typed it enough times to get it right in one try. "hepliaklqana" 12:51:16 ??hep 12:51:16 hepliaklqana[1/4]: God of ancestral memory. Grants a powerful, customizable permanent ancestor, which will be automatically revived if slain (after a few dozen turns). 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Use !messages to read it. 18:43:55 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44:31 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:39 <|amethyst> amalloy: doesn't matter much, you can "hide" the rounding in the randomness from random2 18:44:53 <|amethyst> the average would be very slightly higher with div_rand_round 18:45:27 <|amethyst> but you could just as well get a higher average by using random2(9) instead 18:46:15 <|amethyst> very slightly higher in some cases 18:46:32 <|amethyst> I guess if you have move speed 10 and base speed 10, div_rand_round would have no effect 18:46:54 <|amethyst> because you.time_taken would have been 10 to begin with, so the product is exactly divisible by 10 18:47:45 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:27 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:00 i guess the first question is, why is there a random2(8) in there at all 18:52:19 <|amethyst> it's been there forever 18:53:06 <|amethyst> I guess the idea is to make movement through water unpredictable 18:53:42 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:49 seems arbitrary and silly to me 18:54:16 you're floundering! of course you can't predict movement speed! 18:54:20 (I agree with amalloy ) 18:54:47 mpa was saying he was gonna remove it 18:55:08 <|amethyst> remove the randomness or the slow move speed entirely? 18:55:11 why should moving through water be more unpredictable than, eg, through leda's? 18:55:17 i think the slow move speed is good 18:55:34 presents good tactical challenges/decisions 18:55:47 <|amethyst> amalloy: probably whoever implemented leda's couldn't find the code for water delay so had to write code for that :/ 18:55:55 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: brb] 18:55:56 <|amethyst> s/write code/write new code/ 18:55:58 presents annoying situations when autoexploring in swamp 18:59:27 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:33 iirc part of his reasoning was to make the shallow-water move dealy easier to display 18:59:36 *delay 18:59:40 dealy works too tho 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:01 how should I frmat this line: ` you.time_taken *= (new_grid == DNGN_SHALLOW_WATER ? 13 : 26) + random2(8);` 19:02:17 <|amethyst> const bool base_penalty = new_grid == DNGN_SHALLOW_WATER ? 13 : 26; 19:02:27 <|amethyst> you.time_taken *= base_penalty + random2(8); 19:02:31 <|amethyst> IMO 19:02:39 <|amethyst> err 19:02:54 <|amethyst> yeah, write it exactly like I did so you get a nice bug 19:02:57 :) 19:02:59 brb 19:04:00 slowwww water 19:04:15 also agreed with splitting up the line 19:10:35 but my breadswinging lua 19:10:59 I will have to rewrite part of the slow-walk 19:12:55 anyone see that email from the newbie developer asking for advice? 19:12:57 on c-r-d 19:13:15 <|amethyst> Brannock: they posted to GDD first, but then it got moved to CYC 19:13:25 fr: tavern reorganization 19:13:47 it feels wrong that actual discussion of the game goes into the joke forum, and gdd is relegated to proposals only 19:13:57 catching up on that thread now 19:14:03 <|amethyst> the rationale was "moved out of GDD, since the discussion isn't Crawl-specific" 19:14:48 i wish that actual discussion of the game wasn't in the joke forum 19:14:54 that was the only readable forum 19:15:04 and now...! 19:15:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:17:31 <|amethyst> It does seem like, if this is the policy, GDD should be called "Proposals for Crawl", and CYC should be called "Game design discussion and random shit" 19:18:09 <|amethyst> but the GDD guidelines do imply that you should only post proposals there, so I guess it's nothing new 19:21:59 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 19:22:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:11 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 19:22:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:13 -!- Mezriss has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:26:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:22 I think the most sensible thing was renaming CYC to "General Crawl Discussion" 19:27:59 and people can post non-crawl things if they wish 19:28:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:53 that and maybe merge DCA and YASD/CiP 19:33:21 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:45 I was thinking about whether it would make sense to split off the crawl-related part of CYC into sort of a staging ground for GDD posts 19:35:19 so you might post in the new board to get some discussion to flesh out a plan for a full GDD (or maybe call it "DCSS Proposals") thread 19:35:31 and CYC can just be random jokes or really trivial crawl discussion 19:39:50 or just make GDD more of a joke than it is =p 19:40:00 I'm pretty sure the motive behind current GDD rules was to keep it a place that devs want to read 19:40:00 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:40:24 If that's not what it is, we should change the rules until it is -- or if it can't be, then we should just let any game-related discussion in there 19:40:30 *game design related 19:40:46 heh 19:41:02 to be fair, i don't think i've authored a GDD post in 2+ years 19:42:03 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:24 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:02 Lasty: well I don't think we can make it a place that every dev wants to read 19:44:27 I'm sure that's true 19:44:47 specifically I don't like reading CYC for game design stuff since it's signal to noise ratio is even lower than GDD 19:44:47 *its 19:44:47 yes 19:45:00 I like reading about the game itself, as well as proposals 19:45:07 tavern is mostly advice-oriented 19:45:22 most of the actual discussion is wreathed heavily in snark 19:45:23 We could rename the forums to "high signal-to-noise discussion" and "low signal-to-noise discussion" :p 19:45:48 yeah, we can't really police overall tone any more than we already are 19:45:56 GDD at least lets us to that to some degree 19:46:31 anything more drastic is just going to involve a lot more effort, so I'm not sure how any simple forum splitting will help things 19:47:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:48:17 does anyone other than sandman make serious proposals that they don't just make in here? 19:48:29 yeah, sure 19:49:10 "serious" 19:49:13 people make plenty of serious proposals 19:49:16 they'er jsut frequently not very good 19:49:20 lol 19:49:27 that's nto meant as an attack or anything 19:49:29 just how it is 19:49:43 I know what you're saying 19:49:58 but my cat farting ability was incredible 19:49:58 you lack vision 19:50:03 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:08 should i have said "proposals that *should* be taken seriously?" 19:50:16 that's more precise, sure 19:50:22 not in the same sentence w/ the example you used 19:50:29 I've implemented a couple of things recently that I saw on tavern/reddit 19:50:34 what example? 19:50:43 sandman I presume 19:50:44 averyangryfelid 19:50:57 heh 19:51:05 anyhow, gdd posts getting implemented is rare, but that's alright 19:51:49 hey, i already made a good contribution to the game 19:52:04 because i bitched a dracoomega till you couldn't get glow from a single cast of invis 19:52:15 s/a/at 19:52:30 I thought that was just new slang 19:52:37 =p 19:52:43 I bitched a dracoomega at the DMV yesterday, etc. 19:53:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:11 you live in boston, it's the rmv there 19:53:15 =p 19:53:20 touche 19:53:45 lol 19:54:31 i found out when i had to register a car 19:54:42 and asked someone where the dmv was 19:55:08 YEW MEAN THA FACKIN AH-EM-VEE? 19:55:28 hey here's a cool idea i saw on tavern 19:55:32 remove spell hunger 19:55:46 not until we have a proper replacement 19:56:13 does there need to be a strategic cost attached to using high-end spells? 19:56:32 past the skill investment to get them running 19:56:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has left ##crawl-dev 19:58:04 -!- hittemvvvhard has quit [Quit: ik ga slapen] 19:58:06 or by replacement, are you referring to the use for spellcasting skill? 19:58:08 Doesnty: In my experience, spell hunger does have some impact on characters when they're just starting to get L6+ spells online. Well, to be fair, that predates 1 turn rations. 19:58:34 I played a hellcrawl game recently where I could have had Invis up for all of the spider nest if I'd wanted to, and I don't think i could have without hungerless casting 19:59:25 wow, my irc client replaced every letter a that ProzacElf had used within the past 5 minutes, with "at" 19:59:44 It's arguably the one aspect of hunger that sometimes has an impact. Not that that inherently means it's worth keeping. 19:59:45 ? 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:04 you typed s/a/at and I guess it thought you wanted that globally 20:00:18 lol 20:00:23 confusing until I reached the point where you actually said that 20:00:46 nice 20:01:53 it's too bad that was hellcrawl 20:01:55 Lasty: i think i've had one game in the last several versions where i had food issues 20:02:02 so i can't ask how tight your rations actually were 20:02:39 and it was a DEAE that had incredibly bad luck with rations and also failed to hit anything with lightning bolt like 200 times 20:03:10 intermediate hunger removal: remove chunks // make chunks inedible unless you're carnivore (e.g., troll and such) unless it's purple. possibly increase amount of permafood in the game. todo: gozag?? 20:03:16 ^^ not serious, just musing 20:03:42 Doesnty, I've been mullin gover your Piercing Shot PR for a while now and I finally figured out what bothers me about it and why I think it won't be going in (aside from MPA's objections, that is) 20:03:48 Doesnty: yeah, I haven't really had a game where rations really mattered since my TeAE that spammed Chain Lightning all game and had to retreat from corpses before eating a bunch of times 20:03:55 oh? 20:04:23 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 20:04:25 it's essentially a bolt spell with very weird behavior, that uses ammo that isn't meaningfully constrained (unlike early game with arrows/S2S or rocks/Sandblast), and "spell power" (ie damage and accuracy) relies on non-spellcasting skills 20:05:01 sandblast is effectively unlimited unless you're very unlucky i've found 20:05:14 fair enough 20:05:15 yes, maybe it can be tuned down slightly (EE starts I mean) but most players are bad 20:05:28 so s2s is really the only ammo limited spell 20:05:28 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:28 On its face its' a cool upgrade for ranged characters, but once you dig into it, it starts falling apart @Doesnty re: Piercing Shot 20:05:42 yeah 20:05:58 i'm not sure the EE start should be dialed back 20:06:03 sorry. I feel bad because you put work into it and it was initially a not-bad take on a branding spell 20:06:16 high initial investment + per-use MP burn is a good compensation 20:06:20 vs cast-and-forget 20:06:33 because when you do get unlucky you should have an option other than getting your face eaten by an adder 20:07:32 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:36 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:04 -!- elan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:09:27 oh, that reminds me of the other thing I wanted to ask Doesnty, if you want to submit a separate PR for that Portal Projectile cancel ability then I'll merge that 20:09:33 alright 20:09:36 i'll do that 20:09:41 thank you very much 20:12:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:59 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:25 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:21:41 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:23:18 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:21 |amethyst: was your bug some precedence ordering thing? now walking in water is faster than on land 20:41:25 - you.time_taken *= 13 + random2(8); 20:41:26 + const bool base_penalty = DNGN_SHALLOW_WATER ? 13 : 26; 20:41:26 + you.time_taken *= base_penalty + random2(8); 20:41:37 New branch created: pull/471 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/471 20:41:37 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/471 * 0.20-a0-739-g928d9f9: Add Cancel Portal Projectile ability 10(8 minutes ago, 6 files, 21+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/928d9f92daf6 20:43:25 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:50 !tell brannock I recognize the flavour of scarves of cold resistance, but can't see myself ever wearing one over a +2 cloak outside of an ice cave 20:44:50 minmay: OK, I'll let brannock know. 20:45:27 minmay, Lasty has proposed moving rF to scarves and removing rings of protection from cold and fire 20:45:29 What do you think about that? 20:46:02 imo rings of protection are less interesting than rings of fire/ice already 20:46:18 ew 20:46:37 this sounds like it would lead to more ring swapping 20:46:58 since you cannot leave fire and ice on long-term without compensating for it 20:47:01 yep 20:47:42 Heck, make fire/ice scarf egos, remove protection from fire/cold, remove rF-/rC- on fire/ice. 20:47:53 a bit of a bummer for Op, but otherwise fine 20:48:14 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:48:56 that would almost convince me to wear a ring of fire or ice 20:50:09 although i can't remember the last time i wore one of the regular rF/rC rings aside from going into a volcano or ice cave 20:50:51 if the scarves remain 0 armour whatsoever (has anyone suggested making them enchantable but no base ac, or 1 base ac but not enchantable?) maybe they could stand to be more than one pip of resist 20:51:06 i am lazy so i will wear a regular ring if i need one for rC+/rF+ in vaults and deeper 20:51:17 unresisted fire and ice attacks hurt 20:51:18 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:19 heh 20:51:34 i also regularly wear +0 cloaks over the lame rC scarf 20:51:35 rumflump, making them enchantable, or giving them only 1 ac makes them much closer to cloaks 20:51:39 I didn't want to make them hat analogues 20:51:45 that's not interesting 20:52:00 that's fair 20:52:00 and i have also never found a scarf that was more interesting than rC 20:52:07 yeah generation numbers need a bit of work 20:52:12 so basically, i always prefer cloaks 20:52:13 i've seen a scarf of resistance 20:52:14 I have a local branch where I'm doing a bunch of scarf changes 20:52:23 and some horribly useless artifact scarf 20:52:26 that one should be done sometim ethis weekend or early next week 20:52:27 |amethyst: i'm not sure how to do this myself, but FR add -fcolor-diagnostics as a default argument to clang on OSX. Since with ccache enabled it doesn't default to on 20:52:28 rC+ for 3 (ish, with armour skill) isn't interesting either, though. it goes on the floor mostly 20:52:31 because the scarves that are something other than rC don't exist 20:52:46 yes, rC is too frequent right now, and scarves need 1-2 more egos 20:53:08 rC is the best resist if you need a single resist 20:53:13 in general 20:53:17 but i'd rather have 1 ac 20:53:20 in most cases 20:53:30 or even 3 ac 20:53:35 if i'm lucky 20:53:57 and i would far rather have 1 ac and MR or rP 20:54:02 or evokable invis 20:54:15 -!- Senjai has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:54:28 yeah, i guess that means scarf egos have to be significantly better 20:54:45 the tiles are snazzy at least 20:55:09 -!- Senjai`away has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:56:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:20 alexjurkiewicz: is getting ccache to work on os x / clang easy? 20:56:22 that reminds me, I really should work on getting the player model tiles fixed for scarves 20:56:45 advil: work of a moment. `brew install ccache` and then it tells you to add a directory to the start of your path. bam, done 20:57:10 Brannock: i won't sleep until there's a hipster draconian scarf tile =p 20:57:10 hm, wonder if `port install ccache` works too 20:57:42 you can use macports andomebrew at the same time 20:57:58 rC++ would be a slight improvement at least 20:58:03 since then you can strap on a ring of fire 20:58:09 but that is a lazy solution 20:58:14 well, `port install ccache` did work :-) 20:58:15 fr: replace the weapons with a coffee mug if the player is wearing a scarf 20:58:21 on the doll tiles 20:58:26 |amethyst: it took me longer than I care to admit to notice bool != int as the bug 20:58:34 compilers should be more helpful!! 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:33 crawl's several thousand ASSERTs are very helpful already 21:00:42 once in a while when i feel very lazy/confused I let the compiler debug for me 21:02:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:44 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:04:16 finally got some WJC action going on 21:04:30 ACTION 21:04:31 lunge is annoyingly weird 21:05:22 specifically requiring coming in from the opposite direction leads to a lot of time spent figuring out how to approach enemies 21:05:30 really noticeable with stabbers 21:07:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:59 I think at least making it three squares would be better (target and the two adjacent squares) 21:08:19 although that's messy to figure out 21:13:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:08 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 21:14:44 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:15:52 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:51 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:18:57 -!- Mezriss has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:20:24 !source stop_running 21:20:25 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc#L617 21:23:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:41 I don't suppose anyone happens to have some more crashing saves like those 10788? (get corrupted on import to 0.19 and then crash after the first load) 21:28:57 I think I have a handle on how to get them to load safely, but it would be nice to have more examples 21:29:41 also I still don't know exactly what went wrong on that first import 21:34:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:41 also, it seems that this has only happened on import to 0.19 versions, has anyone heard otherwise? 21:35:58 I haven't, but I don't follow this very closely 21:38:28 New branch created: pull/472 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/472 21:38:28 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/472 * 0.20-a0-737-g9f27572: Allow swimming in deep water 10(14 hours ago, 3 files, 31+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f275721e28e 21:38:34 what's happening is that somehow the desolation place info get set as global 21:38:46 and when it saves in that state, it crashes on load 21:39:00 %git :/[dD]eso 21:39:00 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19.0-6-g94aa616: Remove an incorrect changelog entry 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/94aa61687eaa 21:39:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:39:19 it probably interact's with a change PF made to the global place entry stuff around the same time 21:39:26 *interacts 21:39:44