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(www.adiirc.com)] 00:27:31 monster uses DESC_PLAIN for some reason 00:29:11 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 00:29:13 !messages 00:29:13 No messages for wheals. 00:37:33 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:41 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:44 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:45:29 "iron troll leather armour" 00:45:40 feels wrong to type 00:48:02 troll iron armor 00:48:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:48:30 -!- Basil is now known as Guest18110 00:49:20 ooh 00:49:42 XD 00:49:52 i am not very creative okay 00:50:02 or maybe "troll plate armour" 00:50:06 if you want to get creative 00:50:09 troll iron armour sounds best 00:50:21 to me anyway 00:50:37 -!- Guest73965 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:51:14 i think either would work 00:51:23 it's armor made of troll iron 00:51:29 obtained from iron trolls 00:51:35 which you....mine 00:51:38 for troll ore 00:51:54 * geekosaur just thinks of it as leather that's as tough as iron... 00:52:08 i prefer my convoluted explanation =p 00:52:59 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57:39 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:57:39 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:58:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:23 someone needs to tell me how to fix this stupid contrib/sqlite thing 01:01:30 IJC has the bug and i don't know what to do with it... 01:16:49 geekosaur, you're my only hope 01:17:05 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:17:35 heh 01:19:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-689-g860b9ab (34) 01:24:24 ah yes 01:24:27 Q - the +1 hand axe of the Modern Tables (weapon) {antimagic, rElec rPois Int+4 Stlth-}. 01:24:29 modern tables 01:34:22 postmodern table 01:34:30 !flip /\/\///\/\/ 01:34:31 (╯°□°)╯︵/\/\///\/\/ 01:35:17 ...that wasn't intended to be !flip palindromic but ok 01:38:59 haha 01:39:18 makes it more postmodern 01:39:21 imo 01:39:37 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:42:37 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:12 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:26 -!- HarryHood has left ##crawl-dev 01:48:26 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:41 -!- HarryHood has quit [Client Quit] 01:55:28 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:55:41 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-689-g860b9ab 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:20 ok i did git submodule update and it works. thanks to all 02:03:10 now I'm wondering what the flip rule is for / and \ 02:03:51 it doesn't change forward slashes, as expected, but pairs of backslashes appear to be turned into single backslashes: 02:03:54 !flip \\ 02:03:54 (╯°□°)╯︵\ 02:04:39 and i don't think it's interpreting the first backslash as an escape sequence or anything 02:04:44 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:09:56 WOW, Ieoh Jian powers uses our coloring language? you can DO that? 02:10:08 @... (*) Whirlwind: Strike by moving between two tiles 02:10:10 !!!! 02:13:46 switch (random2(2)) 02:15:30 mpr("ZOOOM!!!"); 02:15:52 ieoh_jian_heaven_tick() is a mess 02:16:41 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:03 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:18:18 _ieoh_jian_number_of_attacks() squares movespeed, and i don't understand why 02:19:33 man I need to pay more attention to crawl development 02:19:36 I feel like I'm out of the loop 02:19:48 (for starters, I see you have misplaced your capital F) 02:20:17 !source _shatter_mon_dice 02:20:18 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#L1025 02:20:34 some of these cases seem a little obscure to players 02:20:40 i just saw a dude trying to use devastator in slime 02:20:50 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:00 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:03 that seems wrong on many levels 02:21:06 it's mentioned in the Shatter description, but not Devastator 02:21:15 devastator's description doesn't really explain anything 02:21:17 at all 02:23:10 how does flying help you resist a concussive blast anyway 02:23:12 it's alluded to in shatter's description but it's not exactly clear that being icy isn't as bad as being non-icy brittle 02:23:47 New branch created: pull/463 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/463 02:23:47 03Vitaly02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/463 * 0.20-a0-690-g944838a: Fix a few typos in docs and source 10(15 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/944838a37f0d 02:23:49 and it's especially not clear that flying helps player gargoyles resist shatter, but not monster gargoyles 02:25:12 it doesn't seem to indicate that brittle creatures are in any special danger at all? 02:25:31 also that 02:25:40 LRD works on them because it's literally tearing them apart 02:25:59 i don't see why shatter as written would do bonus damage 02:26:34 for that matter LRD dice are just as bad, statues and gargoyles take slightly less damage than obsidian statues and roxanne 02:26:57 really? that's weird 02:27:08 !source setup_fragmentation_beam 02:27:08 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#L2088 02:27:14 i take it back 02:27:16 LRD dice are worse 02:27:17 although lrd is perfectly effective against gargoyles anyway, even at relatively low spellpower 02:27:23 LRD has a bunch of really weird rules 02:27:30 green crystal gives you bigger blasts always 02:27:37 metal always gives you the small blast 02:28:06 "blast of toenail fragments" 02:28:08 and obsidian is crystal apparently 02:28:39 huh 02:29:00 some of these numbers just seem arbitrarily assigned 02:29:48 well, i guess not 02:29:56 but who goes in what class does sort of 02:30:08 it's pretty arbitrary 02:30:13 also does beam colour mean anything or is that just flavor? 02:30:16 flavour 02:30:36 i think shatter desc used to talk about brittle monsters, but i took that out to make space to talk about flying/amorphous monsters 02:30:40 which it didn't mention at all before 02:30:53 heh 02:31:12 to be fair, i'd rather have the unpleasant surprise in the description 02:31:14 than the pleasant one 02:31:26 it's not pleasant at all if you're a gargoyle 02:31:38 haha 02:32:00 well, jorgrun is basically the only monster in the game that you really have to worry about it on though 02:32:04 i guess DTEM 02:32:08 have lrd 02:32:29 some weird ghost could have shatter 02:32:57 but yeah it's just jorgrun usually 02:34:17 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:34:49 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:52 http://pastebin.com/cLjxKTFi 02:36:54 ........ 02:39:51 oh a noise meter, that seems like a good thing! 02:41:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:47:25 // Chinese takeaway colours 02:48:51 -!- Dix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:19 !tell steelneuron Can you explain _ieoh_jian_number_of_attacks() to me? why are we squaring player_movement_speed()? 02:49:19 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 02:49:54 !tell steelneuron why are the IJC wrath summons so extremely specific? 02:49:55 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 02:50:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:48 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-689-g860b9ab 02:53:07 -!- Menche_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:12 Doesnty: i guess panlords maybe? unless it's specifically something they can't have 02:53:29 i think it's on their spell list 02:54:05 i seem to remember that it was something they couldn't have for a long time 02:54:23 but i think that restriction got lifted around the same time it became allowed for ghosts? 02:56:23 Pleasingfungus: i'm seeing the green autopickup square come up around corpses now for some reason? 02:56:42 but it doesn't seem consistent 02:57:04 it'll show up when you're very hungry 02:58:48 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:10 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 03:05:42 -!- ArseElementalist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:44 oh, really? 03:11:47 that's kind of need 03:11:49 neat 03:13:08 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:14:09 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:10 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:01 !seen PleasingFungus 03:21:01 I last saw Pleasingfungus at Sun Feb 19 08:04:09 2017 UTC (16m 51s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]'. 03:22:58 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-681-geebb5fe 03:26:37 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:36:15 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-689-g860b9ab (34) 03:40:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:43:21 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 03:44:18 SteelNeuron: PF had some questions for you 03:44:29 yup, answered them over !tell :) 03:44:35 shame he left just before I came in 03:55:10 ah 03:55:13 heh 03:58:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:16 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:59 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:39 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:59 -!- n1 is now known as n1k 04:44:03 -!- n1k is now known as n1 04:45:08 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:38 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:56 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 05:10:01 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 05:13:51 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:21:17 -!- Guest18110 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:27:19 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37:36 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:48:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Client Quit] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:38 -!- SketchFile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:26:44 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:43 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:32:55 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:18 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:43 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:12 -!- blister has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:33 -!- chakram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:11:12 03Vitaly02 07* 0.20-a0-690-g944838a: Fix a few typos in docs and source 10(5 hours ago, 5 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/944838a37f0d 07:11:12 03MarvinPA02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-691-g71b7943: Merge pull request #463 from lischenko/to-to 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71b79436b51e 07:16:19 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:16:30 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 07:23:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:35 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:53 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:43:27 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53:14 -!- eb is now known as eb_mobile 07:53:20 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 07:54:54 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:22 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-691-g71b7943 (34) 08:18:56 what does it mean to "declare" something in a scope? 08:19:15 religion.cc says #include "mutation.h" 08:19:51 but when I try to forbid joining Zin when player has MUT_EVOLVE, the compilers says mut evolve wasn't declared in this scope 08:22:49 -!- mobydollar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23:51 it's mut_evolution, that's why 08:24:59 compiling okay now, nvm 08:29:53 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:40 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:15 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:24 -!- AngelaSmythe has quit [] 08:38:25 -!- Fixer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:43 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:40:08 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:40:37 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:51 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:05 -!- orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:32 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:20 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:11:26 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:22 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:20:11 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:32 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:56 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:18 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:39 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:57 -!- Fixer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:35 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:08 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:42:57 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:49 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:51:16 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5uxg5g/petition_scarf_exception_on_cloak_slot_for/ 09:51:22 the game is 09:51:32 can you guess what the rest of the title is? 09:51:32 can you?! 09:51:36 felids? 09:51:47 ah, octopodes 09:51:48 wrong! 09:52:07 Brannock: see the top comment 09:52:11 yes, of course 09:52:16 but I'm not awarding bonus points for that, sorry 09:52:19 darn 09:54:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:44 ??tension 10:07:44 tension[1/3]: dangerousness of everything in LOS, checks # of monsters, monster experience value, monster hp (almost-dead monsters are of little threat), monster enchantments (confusion, haste, berserk, might, etc.), player current hp, whether you're in the abyss (*3/2 tension) 10:08:03 ??tension[2 10:08:03 tension[2/3]: also checks player enchantments, including slow, confusion, paralyze, nets, and haste. total tension cannot be < 0 (individual monster tension can be negative if it's friendly). 10:08:06 ??tension[3 10:08:06 tension[3/3]: unfortunately the game doesnt know that high tension for this char is 100% hp vs anything 10:09:33 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:45 ??lightning rod 10:12:46 lightning rod[1/2]: Fires a thunderbolt like a regular beam, then when evoked again fires lightning in the space between the first and second beams. Does not multizap. 10:12:50 ??lightning rod[2 10:12:50 lightning rod[2/2]: Quite variable in cost and damage: does more damage and costs less when the resultant spread is smaller. It does good damage if you don't make much of a large spread. Accuracy on all but the first shot is absurdly high. 10:13:15 wonder if xp evocable recharge is off in sprint 10:13:44 (testing noise in sprint, where it is different, of course.) 10:14:31 <|amethyst> "off" as in "disabled", or "off" as in "not right"? 10:15:48 not right 10:15:54 I suspect it is just normal and might need rescaling 10:16:21 I used a lightning rod in the first room in zigsprint and the charge hasn't budged by room 5 10:16:55 <|amethyst> advil: did you use it once or expend it all? 10:17:05 it's at 1/4 charges 10:17:12 <|amethyst> advil: it looks like lightning rod doesn't start recharging until it is used up 10:17:23 oh! 10:17:23 that is interesting 10:17:23 and possibly undesirable? 10:17:23 <|amethyst> !source evoke.cc:1865 10:17:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc#L1865 10:17:36 definitely not intuitive from old rod behavior 10:17:47 <|amethyst> well, it doesn't need to match old rod behaviour 10:17:52 true 10:17:57 <|amethyst> but I do agree that it's unintuitive 10:19:09 <|amethyst> probably that was just easiest to implement 10:19:28 ah, given the other evokers? 10:19:32 <|amethyst> yeah 10:19:40 <|amethyst> since otherwise you'd have to track the evoker debt differently, or at least allow using it while it still has debt 10:19:57 the wording on examining it is clear 10:20:26 so it's probably just a matter of me expecting it to act like a rod 10:20:47 Does anyone remember what happened to the Imp species experimental branch in 2015? 10:20:57 people seemed to like it and then it just... disappeared 10:25:28 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:26:11 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:37 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:32 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:06 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:18 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 10:40:32 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:44 -!- Basil is now known as Guest76429 10:44:09 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:20 New branch created: pull/464 (3 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 10:48:20 03Matthias Mail�nder02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 * 0.20-a0-682-ga870232: Add a FreeDesktop compliant start menu launcher 10(28 hours ago, 2 files, 13+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a870232c936c 10:48:20 03Matthias Mail�nder02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 * 0.20-a0-683-g56bdfc4: Install Linux desktop icons in standardized directories 10(7 hours ago, 3 files, 2158+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56bdfc4ef97a 10:48:20 03Matthias Mail�nder02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 * 0.20-a0-684-g9bccea3: Add an appdata.xml file for Linux software galleries 10(28 hours ago, 2 files, 36+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9bccea389548 10:49:51 SteelNeuron, that was by the father/son team 10:49:54 I think it just never caught on 10:49:59 because of having to constantly deal with the repositioning 10:50:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:40 I don't think the idea was a very workable one 10:50:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:11 Not that we didn't love how it was a parent/child coding team 10:51:21 that's my primary memory hook for that race! 10:51:40 !pr 464 10:51:41 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 10:52:50 hrm 10:52:54 "crawl-sdl" 10:53:05 the debs install crawl-tiles and crawl 10:53:12 latter being console 10:53:17 so I'm not sure where crawl-sdl comes from 10:53:40 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:38 I will need to look into what the debian package does specifically 10:54:42 it installs some things already 10:54:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55:04 if this pr is mergable, it needs to play well with the package in terms of doing the same thing and not duplicating files 10:59:38 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:22 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 11:00:28 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:10 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:15:17 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:27 -!- AutofireII has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:25 One of the goals for 0.20 is to "Get rid of chopping." Couldn't we just make it simpler and make it so that the player can "pick up" corpses, causing them to chop them? 11:19:55 Then corpses could just be marked for autopickup if players want to always chop corpses 11:21:50 I think this is better than the proposed solution, to monsters always drop chunks if the player says they should; then what does the hungry Necromancer do? (Or is it the purpose to make Necromancers hungry?) 11:22:27 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:26 <|amethyst> I think 'auto_butcher = very hungry' more or less does that, it's just a matter of moving it to , instead of c now 11:25:28 |amethyst: not sure if you have any feedback about the linux desktop pr 34: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/464 11:25:44 I will take a look at that eventually once I figure out what the deb package is doing and how this affects that 11:26:17 !seen steelneuron 11:26:17 I last saw SteelNeuron at Sun Feb 19 15:20:57 2017 UTC (1h 5m 20s ago) saying 'people seemed to like it and then it just... disappeared' on ##crawl-dev. 11:27:22 |amethyst: There's an auto_butcher option? I never knew that... :s 11:27:38 <|amethyst> AutofireII: it was off by default for a long time because of necromancers and fedhas 11:28:19 <|amethyst> AutofireII: MarvinPA and PF recently changed it to allow specifying a hunger threshold, and then to turn on by default at 'very hungry' 11:29:04 <|amethyst> AutofireII: so now, if you use autoexplore, you shouldn't need to press c except in rare situations (or maybe as a Vampire) 11:29:44 (Or Ghouls, sometimes.) 11:29:54 <|amethyst> hm, yeah, I haven't looked into how it works with ghouls 11:29:59 <|amethyst> since they're never 'very hungry' 11:30:22 Anyway, cool! I'll have to play around with that option; lately I've been trying to beat the game as a berserker and food tends to be an issue all the time... 11:30:34 ghouls should want to butcher every corpse 11:30:34 Ghouls rot faster when they're more hungry 11:30:49 <|amethyst> oh, wait, ghouls do get to "very hungry", never mind 11:31:03 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:05 <|amethyst> Lasty: unless they're a gh^yred or ghne or such 11:31:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:40 I feel like this is more something we could leave to the player to set in lua scripts, at least for now. 11:32:11 If the defaults change according to the situation, that would be cool, but it's not like the players can set this up already. 11:32:16 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:24 s/can/can't/ 11:32:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: looks reasonable, but I kind of think it should provide a launcher for console crawl too 11:32:47 oh, yes 11:32:53 wouldn't be hard to do, I'm sure 11:32:59 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:10 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about "Exec=crawl-sdl" 11:33:29 <|amethyst> we don't install the binary with that name by default, do we? 11:33:46 -!- Autofire has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:41 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:51 New branch created: pull/465 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/465 11:34:51 03Gregory Chereshnev02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/465 * 0.20-a0-643-g630a994: New arrival vault 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 41+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/630a994a7b0b 11:37:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: left a comment 11:37:35 thanks 11:38:40 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:38:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:00 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:01:44 I really just meant to test some stuff in sprint but I kind of got sucked into this zigsprint game...ignition is something else in zig-like settings 12:02:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-691-g71b7943 (34) 12:19:27 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:48 -!- HeithinnGrasida has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:24 -!- andrew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:23:20 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:24:50 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:32 !tell steelneuron wrt the wrath, I more specifically meant the very specific combinations of weapons and brands :) 12:25:32 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 12:30:39 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:31:22 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:52 the wrath was on my vague list of things that need reworking somehow, yeah (but that probably aren't big enough to delay it from going into trunk necessarily) 12:33:02 i think it has some dead code lying around too at the moment 12:35:13 nothing stuck out as being very dead 12:35:20 wow...is it really happening? 12:35:22 just a little bit dead 12:35:23 i cleaned up some messes but it looked pretty tidy 12:35:27 gammafunk: no. 12:35:33 but....I have sparkles right here 12:35:37 I wanted to throw them 12:35:57 ah there it is yeah, "PATTERN_CHECKERBOARD" isn't used 12:36:00 who told you that you were allowed to have sparkles (?) 12:36:07 mikee.... 12:36:11 (and that whole pattern thing is also weird) 12:36:12 typical! 12:36:14 also, do you mean glitter 12:36:36 MarvinPA: it feels like it would make more sense if terrain didn't exist? 12:36:54 sorry, I'm pouring over this dictionary, and sparkles seems correct here 12:36:54 like, if monster placement was the only way to contextualize combat encounters 12:37:12 !tell |amethyst if you have a sec at some point could you eyeball the following commit, which tries to clean up the noise bar javascript/css according to your suggestions: https://github.com/rawlins/crawl/commit/140b3ba921487a6bb0770cbdf9923f884b7e28db 12:37:13 advil: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:37:35 or anyone else who has opinions about that sort of thing 12:37:45 yeah, just doesn't seem very necessary or interesting compared to just the tried-and-true method of just dumping them on top of you like every other god 12:37:50 ya 12:37:52 i have a big XXX in _ieoh_jian_number_of_attacks about how much of a hack it is 12:37:57 so someone should fix that 12:38:07 i'm holding off because a lazy fix could cause another meleebug 12:38:47 it does seem all potentially very prone to that kind of thing yes, as evidenced by the "moving+attacking takes 0.2 aut" bug :P 12:39:01 ugh there's still a debug thing in that commit 12:39:37 sorry, the what bug 12:40:03 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=307727#p307727 12:40:26 (2 aut i guess, same thing) 12:40:36 ah, fixed 12:40:40 don't scare me like that 12:40:44 haha 12:40:54 hrm 12:41:08 advil: is the player noise only send json-wize in wizmode? 12:41:19 no, it is sent in both 12:41:22 so I guess it could leak 12:41:28 yes 12:41:38 03PabloMansanet02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.20-a0-692-g0c5bb27: New god: the Ieoh Jian Council 10(10 days ago, 55 files, 979+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c5bb27cdc96 12:41:44 I was about to say, we'd want to not leak it 12:41:54 I can fix that if you want...it's not a huge deal in a way, the problem is more that that number is uninterpretable 12:41:59 I see I was lied to 12:42:09 -!- HeithinnGrasida has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:21 advil: well it's not the biggest priority information leak, but yeah eventually we should fix that 12:42:32 <|amethyst> advil: looks reasonable enough, and yeah I agree with gammafunk 12:42:32 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:42:39 I suppose we'd want to somehow just send noise category as an integer value? 12:42:50 and in wiz mode also send the actual value 12:43:09 yeah, that seems right 12:43:17 <|amethyst> can just clip the numeric value to the minimum of the category when not in wizmode 12:43:27 <|amethyst> so the same js code can handle it either way 12:43:29 ah, good idea 12:43:31 thanks 12:43:43 I'll add it to this branch I'm working on 12:44:06 does that approach mean that the js has to know what the cutoffs are though? 12:44:23 <|amethyst> hm, yeah, that would involve duplicating the numbers 12:45:04 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 12:45:04 oh I think I misunderstood...yeah I won't do that, because the conversion to the display numbers is a bit wacky 12:45:14 -!- Autofire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:15 I'll just set it to -1 in wizmode 12:45:21 *not in wizmode 12:45:33 yeah, and send two values? 12:46:00 it's already sending two values because I moved the scaling code into player.cc, so as to have that in one place 12:46:07 I see 12:46:28 the noise display is pretty cool, and players seem to like it 12:46:33 thanks! 12:46:38 yeah, feedback seems positive so far 12:46:43 a few gripes about losing gold 12:46:54 but I don't at all regret making fun of minmay when he suggested it many months ago 12:46:54 heh 12:46:57 did minmay suggest it? 12:47:02 several times 12:47:11 I'm not sure I knew that 12:47:12 I don't think with the exact details as your patch 12:47:28 part of the problem was the UI 12:47:52 I remember there was a discussion a few weeks ago when I was in here that made me think about actually doing something for noise, maybe it was that one 12:48:22 or an offshoot discussion 12:48:25 heh these categories 12:48:32 veryloud, superloud 12:48:42 kind of sad they're not uncannilyloud, almostentirelyloud 12:49:11 haha 12:49:12 loudrageous 12:49:17 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:49:20 chokoloud 12:49:29 for "quiet" 12:49:48 hrm 12:49:51 this syntax 12:49:59 #stats_noise[data-level="superloud"] 12:50:34 css has some kind of hash thing for attributes? 12:50:41 yes it does 12:50:56 I just learned about this yesterday myself...that was |amethyst's suggestion for refactoring, to use that 12:51:07 the contam bar already used it, it turns out 12:51:09 attribute selectors 12:51:22 and for any modern browser, it accepts arbitrary attributes 12:53:07 the css itself doesn't look elegant, but it _really_ makes the js a lot cleaner, because you can use attributes like that to set up default values. When a condition doesn't match it just back to its regular value. 12:57:14 -!- yesno__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:08 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:24 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:28 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-692-g0c5bb27 (34) 13:10:41 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:11:51 it feels like development is a bit on the slow side 13:12:09 over the last week 13:12:14 Yeah, Lightli, you should get on it. 13:12:42 New branch created: pull/466 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/466 13:12:42 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/466 * 0.20-a0-692-g31f7f79: Refactor webtiles noise bar to use selectors (|amethyst) 10(44 minutes ago, 4 files, 99+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/31f7f79e5a61 13:12:42 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/466 * 0.20-a0-693-gf0b2b6f: Prevent a json information leak (gammafunk) 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0b2b6fc75f2 13:12:44 Lasty: I would, but unfortunately I can't code my way into a Hello World program 13:12:56 Dang. I guess dev is doomed. 13:13:24 development is on the slow side? 13:13:26 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:37 didn't we just get a new noise display and a new god 13:13:42 among other things 13:14:08 and scarfs 13:14:33 and mutation changes 13:14:37 I think Lightli is being sarcastic? 13:14:48 possibly responding to the IJC merge 13:14:49 I am 13:15:12 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:15 he wasn't being sarcastic 13:15:18 (I'm seriously a bit out of the loop and don't even get what scarves are for yet) 13:15:20 he was going to say something like 13:15:27 "rip mumo" 13:15:34 rip mumo 13:15:39 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:42 see? 13:16:21 looking over the 0.20 plan I see one prominent item on the General todo 13:18:20 also gammafunk you got it wrong 13:18:26 it's "rip musu", not "rip mumo" 13:18:41 I did not get it wrong 13:18:46 I intentionally said mumo 13:18:54 that's how players are 13:19:01 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19:12 you fix one thing, then they complain about something else 13:20:22 rip gold 13:20:56 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:14 . 13:25:20 <|amethyst> honesty we could fix a whole extra column of info there 13:25:29 <|amethyst> next to AC/EV/SH Str/Int/Dex 13:25:35 <|amethyst> bring back gold! 13:25:37 <|amethyst> and turns! 13:25:49 https://github.com/Hellmonk/hellcrawl/commit/4adf2bd 13:26:45 !tell hellmonk the stairs change makes hellcrawl a lot more likely to just randomly kill you. Today's example: first stairs I took to D:5 had an orc priest, 4 bees and a gargoyle in sight. None were next to me, so I tried going back up, but got hit and stuck. Since staying on the floor was a guaranteed death, I tried again, no luck. I tried using my lucky 2 scrolls of blinking to get out, only hit dead ends. 13:26:45 Maximum message length is 340 characters, but you had 396. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 13:26:57 |amethyst: the problem is that doing all that requires working with output.cc :-) 13:26:58 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:15 <|amethyst> advil: solution: replace console mode with lynx + webtiles 13:27:19 lol 13:28:15 <|amethyst> advil: btw, I'm about to introduce some conflicts into your output.cc patches 13:28:31 how so? 13:28:39 <|amethyst> advil: formatting fixes 13:28:54 oh you mean conflicts wrt that last PR? 13:28:59 I can handle it 13:29:02 <|amethyst> yeah 13:29:05 !hamsterbacke Shem, Samuel - House of God.epub 13:29:07 honestly I think output.cc could probably use a from-scratch-rewrite, at least to the extent that is ever a good idea 13:29:19 -!- Fixer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:22 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:29:55 something needs to be done about the ifdef situation there, and all the lava orc code dealt with some other way 13:30:58 new god :O 13:31:03 -!- Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 13:31:07 whoa, IJC went in 13:31:09 where is the fungus... 13:35:11 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 13:35:27 well, at least when I play-test it now, it won't be some version that get's drastically reworked the next day 13:35:31 *gets 13:36:41 -!- Guest76429 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:15 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:14 haha 13:38:19 the council has taken a wild ride 13:38:35 I really like the current version though 13:38:35 ??ijc 13:38:35 ieoh jian[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22336 13:38:42 !lg * ijc 13:38:43 1118. neil the Maledictor (L18 SpEn of Ieoh Jian), slain by Xtahua on Vaults:2 on 2017-02-19 07:11:58, with 252757 points after 42425 turns and 2:22:12. 13:38:54 good query result 13:45:37 -!- Basil is now known as Guest70072 13:48:52 03Gregory Chereshnev02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/465 * 0.20-a0-644-g6ea4f37: New vault was redesigned 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6ea4f37497bb 13:50:19 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51:15 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:30 -!- Keye_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:56:35 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:12 03Gregory Chereshnev02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/465 * 0.20-a0-645-gaf52150: Update small.des 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af521500083d 13:59:55 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:56 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:19 ENCH_SLOWLY_DYING is a good one 14:03:46 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:16 -!- Guest70072 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:06:23 -!- a9qd0wf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:09:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-693-g50be3de: Restore new sqlite contrib version. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50be3deeb707 14:09:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-694-gb4dbc05: Add -edit-save default output file to .gitignore. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4dbc05809ac 14:09:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-695-g5f0ea47: Fix formatting. 10(10 minutes ago, 13 files, 51+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f0ea4729708 14:09:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-696-g12fdf77: Simplify. 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12fdf77d507d 14:12:29 <|amethyst> advil: conflicts (in the C++: I didn't mess with Javascript) would be from those last two commits 14:13:11 yeah I see them -- my PR simplifies printing silence even more (no variable #s of spaces) 14:13:32 <|amethyst> aww, but I was so pleased with myself over the %-*s :) 14:13:36 heh :-) 14:13:47 it is cute 14:14:16 what I realized is that it's silly for wizmode & non-wizmode to print the silence case in distinct ways 14:14:18 <|amethyst> I had started to write you.wizard ? 7 : 10 for that condition, until I saw that you already had a variable 14:15:08 I'm about to head out for a while so I'll merge with the PR later, should be easy 14:15:25 <|amethyst> cool, heading out myself as well 14:15:26 <|amethyst> later 14:15:32 it is a beautiful day 14:15:43 yeah, it's 71 out in MD 14:21:10 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:22:28 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:32 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:36 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:49 http://i.imgur.com/5NLUBkD.png 14:39:48 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:54 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:16 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:48:39 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:33 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53:52 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:06 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:21 -!- ArseElementalist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06:48 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-696-g12fdf77 (34) 15:12:26 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:43 Doesnty, what am I looking at? 15:17:48 oh, troll iron armour 15:17:48 huh 15:17:54 yeah 15:18:01 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:18:02 i just sent the pull request 15:19:40 ohh, I thought for a sec it was a bug 15:19:44 i don't really think yet more base types of armour are a good thing to add 15:21:05 why not? 15:21:27 why would it be? 15:21:47 New branch created: pull/467 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/467 15:21:47 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/467 * 0.20-a0-690-gd3b3f88: Make deep trolls and iron trolls drop different hides. 10(16 minutes ago, 14 files, 45+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3b3f88b1c31 15:21:50 because there are already a lot that are insufficiently well-differentiated? and these are literally just "existing armour type, but better" 15:21:54 I mean, I want to know what MPA's reasoning is, not arguing "hey why not toss it in" 15:22:02 I agree about "is X but better" 15:22:21 i'd be fine with just making different appearances for troll leather 15:22:29 that's the main thing that bugs me 15:22:33 that they all drop green hides 15:22:46 they all have the same inner skin 15:22:53 this just seemed like the most logical way since iron trolls also have massive AC 15:22:54 that's the part that turns into the armour 15:23:05 lol 15:23:23 I'm okay with cosmetically different troll armour 15:23:25