00:00:07 ??qazlal[4 00:00:07 qazlal[4/8]: http://i.imgur.com/9SGuOAk.png http://i.imgur.com/AidD6ni.png (paranatural.net) 00:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:13 ^ my mental image of qaz, now and forever 00:00:18 oh man I need to catch up on that comic 00:00:26 does the qaz entry have the smite joke? 00:00:26 don't worry, nothing has happened in the last two years 00:00:38 i honestly forget where that is 00:00:48 same scene? 00:00:50 qazlal is really good flavor etc, the only problem with qaz is that it's weak 00:00:56 http://www.paranatural.net/index.php?id=151 00:00:59 comments 00:01:04 ahh 00:01:12 and again, whether that's actually a problem depends on how you feel about god balance 00:01:26 i felt that qaz was reasonably strong when i played with him 00:01:29 hm 00:01:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:33 !won . qaz 00:01:34 Pleasingfungus (qaz) has won twice in 4 games (50.00%): 1xDsGl 1xMiWr 00:01:35 what are hellmonk's top 3 gods 00:01:39 not as strong as ru, obviously 00:01:51 same as minmays, the trinity of trog/fedhas/kiku 00:02:00 i feel like Qaz Is Bad is at least partially a... yes, i'm gonna say it... TAVERN MEME 00:02:00 that's not his list! 00:02:14 fucked up if true 00:02:19 !won * s=god 00:02:21 Brannock: i'm still a fan of the top-right gag 00:02:22 !won * s=god recent 00:02:24 visual gag 00:02:32 I think qaz is very weak early and only good later on specific, narrow character types 00:02:44 what I don't like about Paranatural is that the art has become extremely simplified lately (reasonably, sure, given the artist's health problems) 00:02:48 namely high ac melee dudes that can afford to sink a lot of experience in invocations 00:03:00 but I liked the Chapter 4 art and the balance between detail and reaction 00:03:03 * has won 53015 times in 6871057 games (0.77%): 2091xMiFi 1921xMiBe 1391xGrFi 882xHOFi 807xSpEn 688xFoFi 662xDEFE 656xMiGl 635xDsGl 614xDDFi 597xGrBe 535xTrMo 494xDsFi 474xGrEE 470xDECj 437xCeHu 410xMfGl 407xDsBe 397xHOGl 363xHOBe 356xGrGl 337xVSFi 334xOgBe 333xOgHu 330xGhMo 329xKoBe 326xDDBe 308xDrTm 304xVpEn 296xDsMo 287xVSBe 282xMiMo 275xDEWz 265xVSMo 263xDDNe 258xDsWn 256xMDFi 251xDDEE 216xVSA... 00:03:05 *Chapter 3 00:03:08 (or high ac ranged weapon dudes, but that's basically the same thing) 00:03:11 * (recent) has won 11644 times in 1292526 games (0.90%): 605xMiFi 593xMiBe 406xGrFi 293xHOFi 280xFoFi 267xDsGl 241xDDFi 192xMiGl 169xDsFi 164xGrBe 156xVSFi 136xGrGl 124xTrMo 123xDEFE 121xGrEE 117xMfGl 113xHOGl 104xSpEn 99xDsBe 96xCeHu 92xGhMo 88xMiMo 85xDECj 74xDsMo 73xHOMo 72xDrTm 70xHOBe 68xDsWn 67xTrFi 66xVSBe 63xVSMo 61xNaFi 58xVpEn 57xDsAK 53xNaWn 53xOgHu 51xOpTm 50xDrCj 50xOgBe 47xMuFi 45xGr... 00:03:12 the backgrounds are simpler because the more complex backgrounds were actively destroying zack's wrist 00:03:27 my problem with it is that the pacing is a dumpster fire 00:03:29 I don't mind the backgrounds; it's the characters. Also, I fucked up that query 00:03:30 but that's webcomics for ya 00:03:37 yeah, webcomics have never beena ble to handle pacing 00:03:42 what were you trying to query? 00:03:48 win rates by gods 00:03:55 Gunnerkrigg FINALLY resolved the Jeanne arc ... then immediately moved into a fluff chapter 00:03:57 won can't get you percentages that way 00:04:04 i gave up on gkc years and years ago 00:04:10 !lg * recent s=god / won o=% 00:04:13 probably 00:04:14 11644/1292529 games for * (recent): 376/3559x Zin [10.56%], 930/11985x The Shining One [7.76%], 110/1523x Jiyva [7.22%], 28/558x Wudzu [5.02%], 206/4464x Pakellas [4.61%], 874/24676x Makhleb [3.54%], 636/18042x Gozag [3.53%], 188/5531x Yredelemnul [3.40%], 422/12718x Ru [3.32%], 410/12652x Hepliaklqana [3.24%], 493/16397x Ashenzari [3.01%], 32/1109x Ieoh Jian [2.89%], 735/25776x Cheibriados [2.85%... 00:04:21 !lg * recent s=god / won o=% urune<=5 00:04:23 oops 00:04:25 Wow, Jiyva 00:04:26 7963/1292529 games for * (recent): 82/1523x Jiyva [5.38%], 22/558x Wudzu [3.94%], 171/4464x Pakellas [3.83%], 178/5531x Yredelemnul [3.22%], 472/18042x Gozag [2.62%], 313/12652x Hepliaklqana [2.47%], 86/3688x Fedhas [2.33%], 295/12718x Ru [2.32%], 560/24676x Makhleb [2.27%], 25/1109x Ieoh Jian [2.25%], 79/3559x Zin [2.22%], 361/16397x Ashenzari [2.20%], 133/6563x Beogh [2.03%], 70/3577x Elyvilon [... 00:04:34 wudzu coming in hot in number 4 00:04:44 Brannock: same reason that z/1 show up so high 00:04:55 Pleasingfungus: that ratio query is wrong 00:04:55 Whatever happened to Wudzu anyway? Lasty was talking about proposing W as a god.. then it just kinda disappeared 00:04:59 gammafunk: i know 00:05:17 !lg * recent s=god urune<=5 / won o=% 00:05:17 -!- Tarara has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:17 7963/1286546 games for * (recent urune<=5): 82/1480x Jiyva [5.54%], 22/549x Wudzu [4.01%], 171/4405x Pakellas [3.88%], 178/5513x Yredelemnul [3.23%], 472/17791x Gozag [2.65%], 79/3146x Zin [2.51%], 313/12496x Hepliaklqana [2.50%], 295/12524x Ru [2.36%], 86/3671x Fedhas [2.34%], 560/24056x Makhleb [2.33%], 25/1097x Ieoh Jian [2.28%], 361/16188x Ashenzari [2.23%], 133/6523x Beogh [2.04%], 272/13753x... 00:05:19 wudzu was kind of boring in the experimental implementation 00:05:21 imo 00:05:32 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-672-gd6c3c51 (34) 00:05:34 feedback in ##-dev seemed negative 00:05:40 I agree about Wudzu not having much design depth, I'm just surprised there was never any "Okay, what do we think of Wudzu y/n?" 00:05:41 iirc 00:05:49 i think there was one big chat about it 00:05:51 and then nothing more 00:06:06 My major issue was that Wuzdu immediately compensated for the drawbacks by replacing the drawbacks with advantages 00:06:09 So it felt very "in-place" 00:06:09 I think you could salvage the conceit of giving up armor slots for *something* 00:06:34 So you lost body armour slot, but in place you gained AC and damage reduction and spiny so it felt very much like a wash 00:06:53 all the fun of not caring about cool loot you find, 00:06:57 right 00:07:01 yeah also the tradeoffs were majorly imbalanced bc spiny was so much better than anything else 00:07:13 so you always went cloak for spiny 3 00:07:29 Incidentally, doing that god win query in PM, Qazlal barely misses the cutoff 00:07:29 !lg * recent s=god urune<=5 warrior|adventurer !experimental god!= o=-% / won 00:07:32 i kind of regret giving choices for hep 00:07:35 and the actives were weird and bad 00:07:39 i hate to say it, but... minmay may have been... right 00:07:39 Seems like Q is right in the middle of All-Players-Power-Tier 00:07:46 I said the same! 00:07:46 3955/207554 games for * (recent urune<=5 ((warrior || adventurer)) !experimental god!=): 8/1896x Xom [0.42%], 8/1118x Sif Muna [0.72%], 13/1367x Vehumet [0.95%], 83/7601x Dithmenos [1.09%], 189/16208x Cheibriados [1.17%], 33/2814x Kikubaaqudgha [1.17%], 58/4259x Nemelex Xobeh [1.36%], 127/8912x The Shining One [1.43%], 155/10183x Uskayaw [1.52%], 106/6034x Beogh [1.76%], 1031/58501x Okawaru [1.76%... 00:07:53 fwiw I really like the Hep choices 00:07:55 -!- Tarara is now known as Taraiph 00:08:04 does hep still have choices other than ancestor type? 00:08:09 And I still maintain that the mage ancestor is the best 00:08:14 random result would be kind of cool, otoh it does just sort of lead to disappointment 00:08:14 ancestor type is the only non-cosmetic choice 00:08:16 I don't remember if it did when I was playing it or not 00:08:20 if you wanted X and got Y 00:08:22 gammafunk: yeah, balance is an issue regardless 00:08:32 maybe if there was some randomization so that there weren't notions of fixed types 00:08:40 demonspawn ancestor.. 00:08:43 I think ancestor type is ok as a choice, but it is basically impossible to balance and you just kind of have to accept that imo 00:08:44 but you got spells/thingies mixed in randomly 00:08:46 kind of, yeah 00:08:49 i guess i'm just vaguely annoyed by the Hexer Supremacy meme 00:08:51 what if q only generated clouds when you were fighting 00:08:52 re demonspawn, very loosely 00:09:09 hellmonk: the ideal is that the different types should be situationally better than each other, depending on what kind of character you yourself are playing 00:09:10 when you deal damage, you get clouds based on how much damage it was 00:09:19 !lg * recent s=god urune<=5 warrior|adventurer !experimental god!= o=% / won 00:09:22 maybe some types will be more often better than others 00:09:36 3955/207554 games for * (recent urune<=5 ((warrior || adventurer)) !experimental god!=): 43/933x Jiyva [4.61%], 145/3909x Pakellas [3.71%], 113/3859x Yredelemnul [2.93%], 341/12170x Gozag [2.80%], 210/8275x Hepliaklqana [2.54%], 59/2382x Zin [2.48%], 16/659x Lugonu [2.43%], 161/6684x Trog [2.41%], 408/18148x Makhleb [2.25%], 191/9050x Ru [2.11%], 41/2000x Fedhas [2.05%], 229/11292x Qazlal [2.03%],... 00:09:42 Such Jiyva supremacy 00:09:42 yeah, I get that 00:09:43 ontoclasm: well that removes many uses of the clouds 00:09:47 since you have to do damage first 00:09:56 Qazlal peeking above 2% too 00:09:57 i don't think that's an impossible goal... hard to tell whether it's achieved, tho 00:09:57 well, kiting 00:10:06 which is okay to remove imo 00:10:08 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:10:12 but again, note how low fedhas is and consider what fedhas is 00:10:14 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-672-gd6c3c51 (34) 00:10:17 highly fiddly? 00:10:27 nice 2000 games 00:10:40 no, just really strong yet poorly ranked; just reminding that this is about player tendency 00:10:47 not "how strong is Q" 00:11:11 what is warrior||adventurer 00:11:11 fedhas is also highly fiddly to be fair 00:11:25 like the... metaclasses? 00:11:25 fighter, berserker, gladiator, assassin, hunter, artificier, and wanderer 00:11:28 ontoclasm: the class groupings the char select uses 00:11:29 ok 00:11:38 i didn't realize you could search by that 00:11:44 it's just a kw 00:11:45 keywords are fun! 00:11:45 !kw warrior 00:11:46 Keyword: warrior => Fi|Gl|Mo|--Hu|As 00:11:46 also serious fr for a minute: can evolution please target toadstools first and plants last 00:11:53 adding to todo 00:11:59 they are warrior adventurer zealot warriormage mage 00:11:59 wait 00:11:59 it's really easy to inadvertently waste fruit bc there was a plant onscreen 00:11:59 why? 00:12:39 you almost always want mushrooms when you're just hammering ac or w/e, oklobs are usually an emergency or a branch end setup 00:12:46 and fruit is a finite resource moreso than piety 00:13:01 this sounds like something that should be manually selected rather than automatic 00:13:09 though I guess you're talking about _targeting_ 00:13:16 yeah I mean the default targeter selects plants first 00:13:28 or maybe it selects closest? I don't remember 00:13:41 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:49 anyway I propose targeting toadstools by default 00:14:35 less likely to waste a fruit when hitting ac enter 00:14:53 reasonable 00:16:09 speaking as someone who enjoys the occasional fedhas game in spite of the tedium cost, fedhas really needs quality of life improvements 00:17:07 indeed 00:22:57 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Luckily my breakpoints are very similar (but coarser) 00:57:23 !source spl-cast.cc:2095 00:57:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc#L2095 00:59:08 7 years old 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:34 so actually predates noise popagation 01:02:11 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:26 "A bit loud" 01:02:31 Like 01:02:36 "Quiet" and "Loud" 01:02:43 What would you expect as in between these two? 01:03:02 Maybe I'll update these noise desc adjectives 01:03:08 probably means something different in australian english :) 01:03:09 change them to decibel scale 01:03:20 Fucken' Loud 01:03:32 <|amethyst> mezzo-forte 01:04:12 I did manage to work in PF's idea where the noise meter adds extra space on the right when things go off scale 01:12:02 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:19:18 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-672-gd6c3c51 (34) 01:28:51 "loud as shit" 01:39:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:40:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:05 The build passed. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 03:13:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:27 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-672-gd6c3c51 (34) 03:20:58 -!- lupus83 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:23 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 03:29:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:36:11 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:22 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:44 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:03 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:49:00 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:57:57 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:37 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:48 !tell hellmonk ach, missed the ash conversation. I too'd love to see Ash back in hellcrawl. it could be simply time/exp gated, like Evolve - every now and then as you play, she gives you the opportunity to curse|uncurse one item. exploration gated? 04:03:49 rumflump: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 04:10:40 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:29:45 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:30:58 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 04:32:27 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:52 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:50:02 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05:06 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:06:02 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:54 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:49 -!- eb_ has quit [] 05:29:47 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:33:13 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 05:35:28 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:34 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:20 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:51:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:51:57 -!- laj1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:15 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:26 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01:49 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:13:07 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 06:14:27 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:33:32 -!- acalycine has quit [Client Quit] 06:38:09 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:12 -!- omniscienced has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43:23 -!- Fixer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:54 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:55:15 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:53 -!- nocturnal has quit [Client Quit] 07:04:43 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:05:03 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 07:05:28 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:47 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:26:54 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:10 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:28 sanka (L1 VSNe) (D (Sprint)) 07:52:47 <|amethyst> !crashlog 07:52:48 16634. functor, XL5 DEFE, T:1985 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/functor/crash-functor-20170214-163556.txt 07:52:51 <|amethyst> !crashlog * sprint 07:52:52 656. sanka, XL1 VSNe, T:142 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/sanka/crash-sanka-20170217-125228.txt 07:53:26 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54:42 <|amethyst> crash in unmarshallItem -> artefact_fixup_props -> CrawlVector::set_max_size -> std::vector<>::reserve 07:54:48 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56:35 -!- rj54x has quit [Client Quit] 07:56:45 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:16 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:03:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:55 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:40 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:42:06 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:55:23 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:29 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:13 idea: screaming scarf, a scarf analogue of singing sword that screams with variable loudness on taking damage (not tension) 09:19:52 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:55 !messages 09:19:55 (1/1) Brannock said (8h 35m 2s ago): theclanless's report has me concerned. Have you addressed this? (Tavern thread on IJC) 09:20:03 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:22 !tell Brannock Hey! I haven't gotten around to solving it because the aux attack melee code scares me a bit, but I have a solution for that problem that I'm going to implement this weekend :) 09:20:22 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 09:20:33 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:40 !tell Brannock Haven't responded yet because I wanted to have it coded beforehand 09:20:40 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 09:23:55 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:55 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:38 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:34:24 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:52 !tell Brannock oh, I just saw his last report, that's definitely more concerning! I'll go into full debug mode now :) 09:41:53 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 09:44:12 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:37 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:16 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-626-g7c51c8a: Fix move delay being affected by triggered auxiliary attacks 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c51c8a7dd17 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:09 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:21 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:29:51 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:00 -!- panicbit2 is now known as panicbit 10:35:25 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:36 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-627-g91747f8: Reduce chance of Aux attacks triggering proportionally to number of attacked enemies 10(in the future, 3 files, 54+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91747f8ca6f5 10:36:20 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36:53 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:20 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:40 Now for the fun part... Merging up to trunk 10:40:02 Oh wow, no conflicts, I'm impressed 10:41:57 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:14 -!- Boatshow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:21 [9:41 AM] qwyjybo: elliptic is basically the undertaker of crawl now 10:42:22 [9:41 AM] qwyjybo: he just shows up for wrestlemania to defend his streak 10:42:36 mikee has shown up to chat a bit in discord 10:43:38 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:39 regaling us with stories oh when dpeg was "the player on the dev team since he had a win and had been to Zot an additional time" 10:45:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:56 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-678-g9433a2e: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into council_god_rebase 10(in the future, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9433a2edd04a 10:46:02 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:41 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:55 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:36 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-679-g9f62504: Remove outdated #includes 10(in the future, 5 files, 1+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f625049f447 11:12:02 !tell Brannock all fixed :) 11:12:02 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let brannock know. 11:12:07 very good 11:12:07 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:12:13 I'll be gone for most of today, headed to a protest rally 11:12:21 So just leave messages for me and I'll fix whatever broke tomorrow 11:12:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:20 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:11 Alright! Ideally everything should be fine now :) 11:22:06 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-680-g4833209: Fix martial attacks carrying over state from previous attacks 10(in the future, 1 file, 24+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4833209bd3e2 11:22:57 By the way 11:23:02 in case the glove ego discussion is still ongoing 11:23:18 I was thinking that it would be a possible solution to have glove egos apply to the first related thing you do to the monster 11:23:18 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:30 i.e: Gloves of Archery, +slay to the first shot against a monster 11:23:44 gloves of boxing (if that ever becomes a thing) to the first punch, etc 11:24:11 reasoning being that gloves aren't easy to switch so you'd be more inclined to mix up your offense 11:24:13 just a thought 11:24:54 -!- maxrmk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25:15 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:57 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:19 -!- aditya has quit [Client Quit] 11:34:12 -!- yesno__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:37:44 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:19 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:42 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:17 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:02:42 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(master - 53087c7 #7855 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/202776248 17:40:28 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:41:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:38 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:44:17 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:01 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:41 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-673-g53087c7 (34) 18:06:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:10 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:11:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:19 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 18:12:15 <|amethyst> hm, where does that merfolk message appear anyway ("You are mesmerised by its song.")? 18:12:28 <|amethyst> it doesn't seem to be in xv, or ctrl-x, or x 18:12:58 <|amethyst> I mean, the information is there in ctrl-x and x, but not the wording from _get_monster_desc 18:24:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-674-gb4a80f0: Even better mesmerisation pronouns. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4a80f0f22d8 18:24:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-675-gf8c7c87: Simplify with C++11. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8c7c87f6840 18:24:35 03Autofire02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/450 * 0.20-a0-663-g2f649a7: Added more sound cues. 10(4 minutes ago, 9 files, 82+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f649a7f4135 18:24:37 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:11 -!- Autofire has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:15 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:43 Can I nag some dev to take a look at my pull request? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/450 If getting stuff to test it with is a problem, I've pushed my configuration to Github. https://github.com/Autofire/BindTheEarth 18:33:17 alexjurkiewicz: consistency is important. if |amethyst is in favor of switching to #pragma once i don't have anything against it, but i agree it should be done all at once. your proposal of doing that first sounds fine to me 18:33:53 <|amethyst> IIRC someone made a tool out there to do that automatically... 18:34:00 <|amethyst> (and the other direction) 18:35:35 <|amethyst> Autofire: hm, does the SDL stuff work with just the base SDL library? 18:36:11 <|amethyst> Autofire: I'm not a huge fan of ctrl-m for that 18:36:22 <|amethyst> Autofire: because in console but not tiles that's the same as 18:36:38 <|amethyst> Autofire: oh, I see, you fixed that 18:36:44 <|amethyst> Autofire: ctrl-[ is escape though.... 18:37:02 <|amethyst> Autofire: ah, and you changed that too 18:37:16 <|amethyst> Autofire: semi-joking: put it on 'p' :) 18:38:25 <|amethyst> Autofire: anyway, I think you don't need to remove the command, you can just leave it unbound by default 18:38:50 |amethyst: Oh? I didn't know that was possible 18:39:22 <|amethyst> Autofire: yeah, just leave it out of cmd-keys.h 18:40:24 |amethyst: Next time I'm coding in Crawl, I'll make sure to add it back in. Fortunately git helps. 18:40:30 <|amethyst> Autofire: also, you should list the new command in docs/keybind.txt so people know how to map it 18:40:58 <|amethyst> let me look over the more substantial stuff, that was just from reading commit messages :) 18:41:25 <|amethyst> (CMD_LUA_CONSOLE is another example of a not-bound-by-default command) 18:41:44 <|amethyst> and force-evoke-wielded which 18:42:08 <|amethyst> oh, I guess v is still a command because of a few unrands 18:42:18 <|amethyst> and polearms 18:42:42 (Also, on SDL, I do need to do some more testing, but I think it works. I need to test on Linux again. (can't get SDL/tiles working on MSYS2 or Cygwin)) 18:43:05 <|amethyst> Autofire: I have Linux and I have SDL, so let's see 18:44:42 i wonder, how many people use s to skip a turn and how many use .? 18:45:39 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-676-g7b9d119: Checkwhite. 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b9d11955352 18:46:17 <|amethyst> likewise g vs , 18:46:22 <|amethyst> and ~ vs ctrl-d 18:46:40 Autofire: just out of curiosity, do you have any synchronization between things that produce noise in-game and the sounds they make? 18:46:52 |amethyst: Thanks for investigating that for me. This "weekend project" has already gotten pretty long without having to test the other systems. I've basically given up on testing WINMM...but I never touched it. 18:47:11 advil: Hmm....synchronization? In what sense? 18:47:43 well like lightning produces an extremely loud sound, and hitting something with a short sword produces a much quieter sound. but wearing something produces no sound at all 18:47:58 wondering because some people have asked me about things like that in connection with the noise meter patch, not that it's anything necessary for a sound patch! 18:48:08 Ah, not really 18:48:24 That's an interesting idea, though 18:48:48 <|amethyst> I think you'd want lots of sounds for "silent" things though 18:48:52 <|amethyst> as cues for the player 18:48:53 Most of my stuff consists of information-based sounds, and they don't have anything to do with volume in the game...mostly. 18:48:54 yeah most likely 18:49:25 makes sense, just curious 18:49:28 I guess one thing would be just having hooks for the louder stuff that definitely makes noise 18:49:41 In a way the user can configure for that, too 18:49:46 ah ok 18:49:48 You just make loud sounds play for certain events 18:50:02 Like...a loud explosion sound for the word "explosion". 18:50:16 right 18:52:01 a lot of the most interesting loud things are a bit rare, anyways 18:52:14 True...I think 18:52:23 For example here are some of the loudest things (probably missing stuff), in roughly descending order: shield of the g*ng, ood collision, shatter, orb pickup, screaming sword, lightning bolt, howler monkey, thunder clouds 18:52:50 of those only lightning bolt/howler monkeys are reasonably common 18:52:50 Howler monkeys are that loud? o.o 18:52:50 <|amethyst> Autofire: one code style thing I see: EQUIP_ARMOUR_SOUND and all those should IMO be SOUND_EQUIP_ARMOUR or such 18:53:15 <|amethyst> Autofire: we violate that rule badly with the *_KEY defines, I will concede 18:53:29 <|amethyst> but it's IMO not an example to emulate :) 18:53:37 yeah, they are 24 (lightning bolt = 26 for comparison), super loud 18:53:40 |amethyst: Really? But there's always "CMD_***" at the start 18:54:05 advil: Wow. That's kinda interesting 18:54:27 <|amethyst> Autofire: I mean, those _SOUND #defines should work like CMD_ with the common part at the beginning 18:55:02 |amethyst: So you're saying that something like CMD_WALK_UP_KEY should be CMD_KEY_WALK_UP? 18:55:25 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:56:21 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56:26 <|amethyst> ah, different thing 18:57:00 <|amethyst> I was talking about things like #define BOOK_TITLED_KEY "is_named" for property hash keys 18:57:31 <|amethyst> those should be something like PKEY_BOOK_TITLED at the very least, if not arranged into a namespace 18:57:50 <|amethyst> Autofire: oh, I spotted a bug 18:58:00 <|amethyst> Autofire: quiver.cc you have parse_sound("CHANGE_QUIVER_SOUND"); 18:58:23 oops... ._. 18:58:31 <|amethyst> Autofire: I think rather than having strings, it might make more sense to have an enum that you pass into parse_sound 18:59:01 That would, but the convenient thing is that parse_sound uses the exact same code as the regex statements 18:59:08 <|amethyst> Autofire: and then inside parse_sound you have a static const table that translates the enums into strings 18:59:12 s/That would/I could/ 18:59:14 <|amethyst> hm 18:59:28 Ah, I see 18:59:33 That would work fine 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:59 Also, namespacing these constants sounds like a good idea. I think what I'll probably do is have the defines be in a sound namespace, and then have them and the parse_sound command be compiled without USE_SOUND. However, parse_sound would be a dummy function without USE_SOUND 19:02:09 <|amethyst> Autofire: enum class! 19:02:26 <|amethyst> Autofire: it's like a namespace and an enum and type-safety all in one :) 19:02:51 <|amethyst> then it would be something like sound_pattern::change_quiver 19:02:51 Then there would be no need for all these #ifdef USE_SOUND statements flying around everywhere...but that could be alright. I see that with tiles. 19:02:55 enum class? 19:03:07 -!- Blueberries has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:03:13 Sounds promising 19:03:27 <|amethyst> they're not actually classes, sadly 19:03:44 <|amethyst> they just re-used the keyword 19:04:32 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:33 <|amethyst> "scoped enums" I think is the usual thing they're called outside of code 19:04:44 <|amethyst> or "scoped enumerations" 19:04:56 <|amethyst> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/enum#Scoped_enumerations 19:05:16 <|amethyst> besides having scope, they also don't implicitly cast to integers 19:05:49 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:00 I see...sounds harder to screw something up 19:06:04 <|amethyst> yeah 19:06:24 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:41 <|amethyst> I'm a huge fan, but I might be the only one here :) 19:07:52 I think I like the sound of them, though. It's kinda like what I've had to use with C#. (Basically all enums work like that) 19:07:53 scoped enums are much better than int enums 19:08:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-676-g7b9d119 (34) 19:11:02 Anyway, what would be preferred? Is it better to conditionally compile parse_sound everywhere it's called (as I'm doing now), or should I make it more readable (but slightly impact soundless builds) and have parse_sound's contents depend on the compile options? 19:11:40 It's conditional now because that's what I saw with tiles, but then with tiles it's more than one function getting called from time to time. 19:12:07 There you actually want code to be *missing* when compiling w/out tile support. 19:12:07 speaking as someone who just spent time dealing with output.cc, fewer #ifdefs are better 19:12:14 <|amethyst> Autofire: I think it would be better to keep the conditional stuff deeper, yeah 19:12:18 the #ifdef TILE stuff is really obnoxious imo 19:12:26 it's also partly just old 19:12:34 <|amethyst> Autofire: so make parse_sound just do nothing on non-sound builds 19:12:40 <|amethyst> one function call is trivial 19:12:50 <|amethyst> in terms of runtime performance 19:13:43 |amethyst: Alright, I'll do that then when I change the defines to a scoped enum. 19:13:47 <|amethyst> if you're really that concerned about the function call, you could have the #else be an inline empty function in the header 19:13:58 <|amethyst> then it will compile down to nothing 19:14:11 <|amethyst> but I wouldn't do that, the function call is fine until proven otherwise 19:15:29 <|amethyst> also, run util/checkwhite and util/unbrace to slightly reformat some of your code for our conventions 19:15:50 <|amethyst> I guess whoever ends up pulling the pr can do that, but it's easy to forget 19:16:38 |amethyst: I have run checkwhite a few times, though I guess I forgot to lately. :s 19:16:51 Never touched unbrace, though 19:18:22 I'll make sure I'll do that after I fix the stuff. I'll do that sometime this weekend, though; I've already spent enough time crawling in the source code for one day 19:20:50 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:22:23 03Autofire02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/450 * 0.20-a0-664-g1d7b1af: Fixed bug with define being used as string literal. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d7b1af4614b 19:22:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:56:29 -!- n_crm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:58:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:11 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:11:15 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12:06 |amethyst: ty for fixing the pronouns! I thought of doing that after i committed my fix, but didn't have the energy... 20:13:33 !seen lasty 20:13:33 I last saw Lasty at Fri Feb 17 16:18:20 2017 UTC (8h 55m 12s ago) joining the channel. 20:16:52 -!- eb_ has quit [] 20:17:07 Pleasingfungus: hey 20:17:14 i had a brilliant idea 20:17:19 !brilliance 20:17:24 oddly relevant! 20:18:04 -!- Fixer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:48 semipermeable skin: you drink with your skin, not with your mouth. potions take [~1 / ~2 / ~3?] turns after use before they take effect, though, as a small compensation, potions with durations last slightly longer (mp-linked-wands style minor compensation for a badmut) 20:18:57 frog innate at level 2 20:19:18 inspired by your suggestion of giving them blurry mouth 20:21:03 I like it. 20:21:32 Would they still be slow? If not, it might make players do the drink->stepx3 dance 20:22:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:49 The build passed. (master - f8c7c87 #7857 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/202808074 20:22:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:23:15 i want them to be slow (and to have good attributes and/or apts to make up for it), but i'm worried about ladling too many mechanics on 20:23:17 ironically 20:23:27 slow AND hop AND drinkskin 20:23:38 i guess they're not exactly felids... 20:23:53 or 'podes 20:24:57 slow and strong and hop and drinkdelay could add up to something interesting. It's definitely unique. 20:25:28 implementation will be slightly tricky, since you want a vector of pairs; more complex than most of the stuff we store in props 20:26:08 (vec of pairs of (potion_type potion, int when_it_takes_effect)) 20:29:00 probably drinkskin isn't enough to be worth a flat +1 apt upgrade across the board, so i'd probably tweak a few smaller things... +1 xp apt and sid/4 to start, maybe 20:29:20 +10% hp? 20:29:36 Fat Frogs 20:29:40 sid/2, rename to high frogs 20:29:43 lol 20:29:52 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:58 could give em hp, but it feels off flavor-wise 20:30:13 would probably bump em up to 10/9/8 starting stats first 20:30:19 ^^^ THE FLAVOR COST 20:31:42 !tell hellmonk does hellcrawl not let trog gift weapons? 20:31:43 Lasty: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 20:33:41 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:54 NOT THE FLAVOR 20:36:55 -!- Autofire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:20 -!- Autofire has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:36 drinkskin sounds really weird flavorwise 20:38:12 what would the mutation show as in the A menu? 20:42:11 semipermeable skin? 20:42:13 something like that 20:42:27 maybe just permeable skin... 20:45:13 hrm 20:45:38 isn't all skin permeable 20:45:53 you're a robot! you wouldn't know! 20:45:57 all you think about is GRIDS 20:46:29 what are the non-duration potions: cure, hw, cancelation, mp 20:46:40 I can't reven remember all the potions 20:46:43 Kramin: to greater or lesser extent. frogs actually do have semipermeable skin 20:46:45 in real life! 20:46:50 ??potion 20:46:50 potions[1/3]: agility, ambrosia, beneficial mutation, berserk rage, blood, brilliance, cancellation, cure mutation, curing, degeneration, experience, flight, haste, heal wounds, invisibility, lignification, magic, might, mutation, poison, resistance 20:47:12 mutation, blood, degen, xp 20:47:18 !learn edit potions[1] s/, poison// 20:47:19 potions[1/3]: agility, ambrosia, beneficial mutation, berserk rage, blood, brilliance, cancellation, cure mutation, curing, degeneration, experience, flight, haste, heal wounds, invisibility, lignification, magic, might, mutation, resistance 20:47:19 wow, poison. been a while since that's been around 20:47:28 ??potions[2 20:47:28 potions[2/3]: See {quaff id} for advice on when to identify potions by quaffing them (as opposed to using {scroll of identify}). 20:47:31 ??potions[3 20:47:32 potion chances[1/1]: Approximate chances for finding a potion are as follows: curing 18%, heal wounds 9.9%, lignification/flight/haste 6.9%, might/agility/brilliance 6.2%, degeneration 5%, mutation 4.3%, invisibility/resistance/magic/berserk rage/cancellation/ambrosia 3.3%, cure mutation 2.7%, beneficial mutation 1%, experience 0.2%. 20:47:45 this entry will never, ever become out of date. 20:48:02 I also love that the phrasing is wrong 20:48:08 like I know what they're trying to say 20:48:14 yeah 20:48:27 but I love that I hate that it's innacurate taken at face value 20:48:30 because I love myself. 20:48:41 it's good to love 20:48:54 hrm, well I was going to talk about how it feels weird to not affect non-duration potions 20:48:59 but I suppose that's the best way 20:49:29 imagine if it buffed !xp.... 20:49:32 not that I'd mind 1.5*!exp... 20:49:33 unimaginable power! 20:49:34 hi 20:49:34 lol 20:50:05 oddly even !cancel would work at 1.5 due to how it removes contam 20:50:16 but yeah duration-only makes the most sense gameplay-wise 20:50:20 duration buff should probably be quite small... maybe 5/10/15%? 20:50:21 it does feel a bit odd to me 20:50:24 since it's supposed to be a badmut 20:50:51 alternately, i can toss that part of it entirely. it just seemed like a fun tweak 20:51:11 yeah I guess it would be reasonable without 20:51:26 Would it make sense for this frog-race to swim? 20:51:30 no 20:51:38 if they did that, the designer would be insane! 20:51:54 (they are already amphibious) 20:52:06 ??frog 20:52:06 barachian[1/3]: New frog-like species in trunk. Has a Hop ability letting the player choose a spot up to 4 tiles away, landing them randomly in a 5x5 area. Range upgrades to 5 at XL13. Barachians have Slow 1 (move 1.2, faster than Na), are amphibious, and have low stats with average apts (see barachian[2]). 20:52:21 they don't have any special swim bonuses like Mf, though 20:52:36 ok 20:52:46 !learn e barachian[1 s/low stats with average/average stats and/ 20:52:46 barachian[1/3]: New frog-like species in trunk. Has a Hop ability letting the player choose a spot up to 4 tiles away, landing them randomly in a 5x5 area. Range upgrades to 5 at XL13. Barachians have Slow 1 (move 1.2, faster than Na), are amphibious, and have average stats and apts (see barachian[2]). 20:53:21 !tell brannock scarf of flying? 20:53:22 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let brannock know. 20:53:43 Pleasingfungus: the boot cost!! 20:53:52 Well I can't really agree that slow drink is particularly exciting, but yeah it is unique and certainly there's no problem with the basic idea 20:54:23 maybe slow drinking will feel more impactful in practice 20:54:27 with /hw gone at least 20:55:26 Lasty: i forgot that boots existed 20:55:35 Lasty loves sacrifices, so his endorsement is biased 20:56:34 gammafunk: If we're being technical, shouldn't barachians be susceptible to poison (or that sticky-fire thing) due to having absorbent skin? Or is that going too far? 20:56:54 ??realism 20:56:55 realism of crawl[1/12]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 20:57:05 We generally don't argue for gameplay effects based on realism, Autofire 20:57:11 in terms of DCSS' design 20:57:50 !tell hellmonk incidentally, shops list some things as "unknown" even tho all items are ID'd 20:57:50 Lasty: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 20:57:53 what is the intended theme of barachians 20:57:55 True. Maybe my Nethack experience won't let go. But all the realism is why I stopped playing that game in the first place... 20:58:45 ontoclasm: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.rst#list-of-character-species the manual explains all... (if you scroll a little) 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:37 How would it interact with Cheibriados? Would the decreased speed stack? 21:00:56 (I feel like this is probably already covered somewhere, but I thought I'd check) 21:01:50 do you mean for the potions? 21:02:03 only affects movement speed, not action speed generally 21:02:30