00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:13:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:22:47 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:23:19 &versions 00:23:19 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:23:24 !messages 00:23:25 (1/2) SteelNeuron said (18h 55m 9s ago): hey! I force pushed to the council god branch and now it is failing to build on CBRO (merge conflict). Is there anything I can do to fix that? 00:23:26 CAO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CBRO: 0.20-a0-675-g770066e, CDO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CJR: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CPO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CUE: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CWZ: 0.20-a0-531-g6a4a307, CXC: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, LLD: 0.20-a0-487-g7fc62c3 00:23:28 !messages 00:23:28 (1/1) hellmonk said (3h 27m 50s ago): can I get a hellcrawl update, please? 00:23:44 &versions trunk 00:23:50 CAO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CBRO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CDO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CJR: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CPO: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CUE: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, CWZ: 0.20-a0-531-g6a4a307, CXC: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839, LLD: 0.20-a0-487-g7fc62c3 00:25:51 &versions councilgod-PR 00:25:52 Subcommand $(=version.query CAO councilgod-PR) failed: No keyword 'councilgod-PR' in $(concat ${src} : $(=versio... in $($(fn (src) $(concat ${src}... in $(map $(fn (src) $(concat ${... in $(join , $(map $(fn (src) $... 00:25:58 oh 00:26:08 !kw councilgod 00:26:09 the force push borked auto update 00:26:09 No keyword 'councilgod' 00:26:13 untangling now 00:26:23 yeah, that was weird since he says he's been doing this yet didn't have problems 00:26:40 force pushing? 00:26:43 yeah 00:26:47 must have gotten lucky 00:26:50 probably! 00:26:56 I miss gitk 00:26:57 I think he knows not to do that any more 00:27:14 !seen SteelNeuron 00:27:15 I last saw SteelNeuron at Mon Jan 30 00:16:09 2017 UTC (5h 11m 5s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 260 seconds'. 00:27:16 well, it's ok if I know and he's ok with it causing a delay. 00:27:24 but yea, not usually a great idea 00:27:42 ??git 00:27:42 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git Web interface: https://github.com/crawl/crawl 00:27:57 !tell SteelNeuron Don't know if this was mentioned already, but since branch you're using is a playable branch, you probably don't want to force push any more so that auto-rebuild will work 00:27:58 gammafunk: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 00:28:59 ??rebuild 00:28:59 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:29:23 it's really really nice not being terrified of git reset --hard anymore 00:29:36 git reset --hard f7409082a 00:29:44 is that the best way to untangle this? 00:29:51 normally I'd do a git reset --hard origin/branch 00:30:02 but with the PR, I never remember the right way to point to them 00:31:12 origin/branch will work johnstein since that is the ref you want 00:31:21 assuming origin is his remote 00:31:28 yea. but the branch is the PR 00:31:37 -!- acalycine has quit [Client Quit] 00:31:38 origin/PR/430 ? 00:31:49 oh, you want the ref that github makes based on the PR? 00:32:10 [branch "councilgod-PR"] 00:32:10 remote = origin 00:32:10 merge = refs/pull/430/head 00:32:22 yeah, I think those show up as 00:32:23 I had to add that to the .git/config file so git pull works 00:32:48 origin/pull/430/head 00:32:54 so you could do a hard reset to that 00:33:03 oh doh 00:33:25 grabbing the commit hash worked too. 00:33:52 I think you can also do a git pull with a force argument 00:33:56 which will effectively do the same thing 00:34:17 johnstein: git pull --force 00:34:27 will probably work as well 00:34:35 ah ok 00:34:36 it might even be ideal to have your pull set up to force pull 00:34:42 so that if there is a force push, the rebuild just works 00:34:44 yea 00:34:50 thought about that 00:35:01 not sure if that otherwise causes issue, but I don't think so 00:35:20 for what we are doing it's probably OK I bet 00:35:30 I'm trying to think of a reason why it wouldn't be good 00:35:42 |amethyst might know 00:35:47 probably if you don't trust that someone won't bork the branch 00:36:10 i.e. if you trust the other devs, then no reason not to blindly pull --force 00:36:11 |amethyst: any reason why johnstein couldn't set up his webtiles branch to force pull? 00:41:47 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-542-gf740908 00:42:23 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:53:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:09 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:36 Thunderdome exit does not reappear after picking up a rune 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10922 by astronautguy 00:59:04 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:45 -!- LoveLain has quit [Client Quit] 01:09:36 -!- Guest80359 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:23 -!- eb has quit [] 01:20:44 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:23:46 -!- meff` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29:33 -!- meff` has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:59 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:00 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:40:57 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:44:21 -!- Rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:44:40 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:36 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:56:11 -!- meff` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:01 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:09 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:08:36 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:19:43 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:54 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:29:02 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:29:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:08 -!- Guest88103 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:32:41 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:32:57 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:37:03 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:40:56 -!- Basil is now known as Guest27609 02:44:34 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:23 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:34 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-540-ge6d1839 02:47:21 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:50:02 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 02:51:51 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:43 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:30 !messages 03:01:30 (1/1) gammafunk said (2h 33m 32s ago): Don't know if this was mentioned already, but since branch you're using is a playable branch, you probably don't want to force push any more so that auto-rebuild will work 03:12:11 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:57 SteelNeuron, updated 03:13:57 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:14:00 it was an easy fix 03:14:35 easier if you don't force push, but sometimes you gotta get that history looking nice a neat! I understand and encourage you to force push if it makes sense 03:14:40 Thank you johnstein :) 03:14:46 It was all related to rebases for a more readable pr 03:14:50 but I'll be careful from now on! 03:14:54 yea. totally makes sense sometimes 03:15:04 and it only affects one person (me) and it's a super easy fix 03:15:39 so definitely do it again if you need to. you now know the consequences (which are compounded when I have a water heater go out on me last week) 03:15:39 heh 03:18:56 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21:33 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:59 Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-2076-g12f1bb4 03:32:57 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:33 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:40:17 that'll teach you to want hot water! 03:40:46 I had mine break and spew water all over my place when I lived in the UK 03:40:48 Not pleasant 03:40:57 These old miner houses... 03:41:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:44:11 heh 03:44:26 but now you have your own "four yorkshiremen" story to tell about your time in the uk 03:59:12 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:49 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06:34 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:27 03Koushik Roy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/439 * 0.20-a0-545-g4e167b0: Remove debug statements from rltiles Makefile 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e167b0d63ed 04:09:59 -!- epsik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:16:35 -!- meff` has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:27 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: lates] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:17 !pr 434 05:03:17 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:03:18 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/434 05:04:10 -!- Doesnty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06:27 <|amethyst> hm 05:06:49 <|amethyst> shouldn't those be CMD_ATTACK_* rather than being removed? 05:11:57 |amethyst: are you making a commit for that? 05:12:08 I had just cherry-picked it 05:12:29 he says he removed them to stop complaining, not sure how we bind those by default 05:12:40 was that file really ancient? 05:15:11 <|amethyst> 2013 05:15:34 <|amethyst> this was the first change since then 05:15:41 well I cherry-picked it 05:15:48 not a huge deal either way I guess 05:16:04 -!- Guest27609 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:17:06 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:18:19 -!- Basil is now known as Guest6550 05:18:20 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:24:16 -!- darkschneider has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26:09 03nlavsky02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.3-5-g34122de: Update the description of the staff of summoning 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34122debb8c9 05:26:09 03Gordon Quad02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.3-6-g4f5bdea: colemak keyboard binding fixed 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f5bdeaa6c47 05:26:09 03MarvinPA02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.3-7-gcac2ee8: Update an options_guide entry 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cac2ee841cac 05:26:09 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.3-8-g0e6891d: Update the changelogs for 0.19.4 10(68 seconds ago, 2 files, 15+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e6891da4777 05:26:46 -!- Guest6550 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:23 haven't tagged yet, if anyone sees any problems with that 05:27:29 but I'm gonna soon! 05:30:50 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42:23 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:44:14 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:51 -!- yeeve has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:05 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.19] * 0.19.3-9-gc28e2e0: Declare a function as static 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c28e2e04ffa4 05:52:06 %git stone_soup-0.19 05:52:06 07gammafunk02 * 0.19.4: Declare a function as static 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c28e2e04ffa4 05:52:38 !seen advil 05:52:38 I last saw advil at Mon Jan 30 01:54:13 2017 UTC (8h 58m 24s ago) saying 'I'll test more when it's the tagged version but that seems enough to assume that I can do it' on ##crawl-dev. 05:53:39 oh, now I realize I didn't update the guides 05:53:43 oh well, that can go in trunk 05:54:13 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:56:04 !tell advil The stone_soup-0.19 branch has some further commits and 0.19.4 is tagged and ready for builds. Let me know when you have Mac console and tiles build zips at a URL where I can download them. Thanks! 05:56:05 gammafunk: OK, I'll let advil know. 05:58:22 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:05 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 06:01:31 -!- Wahaha has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:03:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:31 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:04:52 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:34 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:25 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 06:09:26 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:18:05 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:27:24 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:24 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:57:19 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:59:26 -!- Sose has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:08 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:16 -!- Basil__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:14:19 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:57 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:19:49 -!- Ratatosk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:00 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:23:47 -!- acalycine has quit [Quit: bye] 07:34:27 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:48 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40:42 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:42:01 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:47:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:49 The build passed. (0.19.4 - c28e2e0 #7659 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/196541215 07:47:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:48:23 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:40 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:26 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:10:13 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:52 -!- Doesnty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:10 Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 08:30:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:45 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:40:06 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:13 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 08:50:01 -!- Elyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:31 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-543-g6acb602: Cap status effect chances 10(in the future, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6acb602b8701 09:02:31 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-544-g5135af4: Fix claustrophobia not updating after opening/closing doors 10(in the future, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5135af46648c 09:04:49 -!- zxc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:33 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:50 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-545-gd1c2b7f: Fix auxiliary attacks being modified by martial attack bonuses 10(in the future, 2 files, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1c2b7fca840 09:17:59 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-546-g22f3c1d: Add dusty cloud as a visual effect for serpent's lash 10(in the future, 3 files, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22f3c1dff952 09:23:08 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-547-gf0d5e8d: Prevent slowing down dead monsters 10(in the future, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0d5e8d66e1c 09:33:38 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:37 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 09:41:06 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41:28 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:24 %%git gaebe036 10:00:24 advil: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:00:28 !messages 10:00:29 (1/1) gammafunk said (4h 4m 24s ago): The stone_soup-0.19 branch has some further commits and 0.19.4 is tagged and ready for builds. Let me know when you have Mac console and tiles build zips at a URL where I can download them. Thanks! 10:00:59 %git gaebe036 10:00:59 Could not find commit gaebe036 (git returned 128) 10:01:15 %git aebe03603bdc 10:01:15 07aegolden02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.20-a0-234-gaebe036: Change Mac OS X build arguments 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aebe03603bdc 10:01:54 !tell gammafunk working on it, think I'm also going to need to cherry-pick aebe03603bdc and associated commits 10:01:54 advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:08:50 I think aegolden must have fixed those locally when building the last version, and then submitted a PR which went only into 0.20 10:10:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:00 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:58 !tell gammafunk builds at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mjk2xoklkhmyg2n/AAAfljuzOz4nC3-wYZ4qdZMEa?dl=0 10:28:59 advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:29:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 10:29:42 -!- Ratatosk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:55 !tell gammafunk in order to get it to build for the correct versions of OS X, I needed to cherry-pick the commit I mentioned earlier. I just took all of the ones from aegolden's PR, which includes another unrelated fix for OS X I think 10:29:56 advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:30:51 !tell gammafunk let me know if you want to retag and I can compile with a fixed version number, but otherwise these are working for me 10:30:52 advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:31:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31:31 any other mac people who want to try those builds, have at it, dropbox link ^ 10:32:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:12 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:16 advil: console build doesn't work for me on OS X 10.11.6. it opens Terminal but then instead of running crawl it just opens the crawl binary in TextEdit 10:39:49 tiles seems fine 10:45:16 if i run Contents/Resources/crawl by hand from a terminal, that works okay 10:46:32 what doesn't work is the thing that happens when you double-click the package, ie running ./MacOS/Dungeon\ Crawl\ Stone\ Soup\ -\ Console 10:50:02 i think i know what change should be made to fix it, let me see if i can put together a patch real quick 10:53:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:48 03amalloy02 07* 0.20-a0-541-ga051ee5: Fix the way the mac console app calls 'open' 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a051ee5c924f 10:56:45 advil: ^ fixes the problem for me. probably should be cherry-picked into the release branch, but i'm not sure i want to do that myself without someone confirming the current state of the release for me 10:59:39 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:03:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-541-ga051ee5 (34) 11:15:27 -!- surr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:07 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:25:38 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:26:50 -!- Fixer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:31 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31:40 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:24 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:35:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:35:52 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:13 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:34 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:40:43 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 11:47:43 amalloy: thanks for checking. weirdly, I can confirm that that _doesn't_ happen for me on 10.11.6 with this build (my office computer is on that). But using the "-a" argument has got to be safer in general. 11:48:02 I've got to run for a few hours but I'll come back and try to figure it out later 11:48:48 also, I suppose that must happen to you for other older console builds? 11:49:02 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:52:50 -!- equivobot is now known as yesno 11:56:34 -!- meff` has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:34 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:23 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:14 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 12:05:57 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-541-ga051ee5 (34) 12:06:09 -!- equivobot is now known as yesno_ 12:08:09 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:10:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12:40 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 12:12:46 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:50 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:25 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:45 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26:26 -!- zxc_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:56 hey guys, is there any way left to resist mutations? 12:36:06 OgreWrestling (L13 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Lair:4) 12:36:43 OgreWrestling (L13 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Lair:4) 12:39:40 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:49 Napkin: lajatang of order, zin, being Mu/Gh…maybe one or two others? 12:40:29 advil: it happened to me on some builds on some computers, i'm not sure which because i didn't record the test results very carefully. but i certainly have seen it before 12:40:48 oh, the rMut mutation 12:41:52 -!- yesno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:43:37 OgreWrestling (L14 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Lair:6) 12:44:27 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46:35 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:54 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53:18 OgreWrestling (L14 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Lair:6) 12:55:13 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:59:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:55 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:46 hmm, so people just ignore mutations from slime level or don't do it anymore? 13:32:45 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 13:33:38 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:35:24 a lot of people don't do slime 13:35:58 the people who do just put up with bad mutations and try to minimize them by killing shining eyes rapidly 13:36:01 amalloy_: funny story, I think that "open Terminal.app path/to/crawl" opens roughly in parallel terminal, and then crawl; when I do "open path/to/crawl" it opens it in terminal anyways. It's just that the first one switches focus to terminal, and if terminal isn't running it gets to the second fast enough that there's no window yet 13:36:48 amalloy_: I think you must have an association with binary files and textedit or something, otherwise the bug is masked. 13:37:45 -!- OgreWrestling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:37:51 (by the default association to run executable binaries with terminal 13:44:38 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:34 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:48 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:55 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:17 -!- boob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:11:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:18 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:52 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:10 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:14:42 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:14:42 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:16:38 amalloy_: there's a new version with your fix at the same dropbox url 14:17:40 !tell gammafunk for the version now on dropbox I also cherry-picked a051ee5c924f from amalloy to fix an issue for the console build 14:17:40 advil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 14:18:11 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 14:18:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:18:26 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:18:55 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:30 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:19:34 -!- Bammboobies is now known as Bammboo 14:26:08 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:26:59 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:11 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:10 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:35:22 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:48 -!- Dark-Jedi has quit [Quit: If it breaks, you get to keep both backports.] 14:38:10 OgreWrestling (L17 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Snake:2) 14:39:44 !tell steelneuron 16572. OgreWrestling, XL14 OgTm, T:24639 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/OgreWrestling/crash-OgreWrestling-20170130-175310.txt 14:39:45 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 14:40:50 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:33 -!- Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 14:49:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 14:58:35 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:04 !tell steelneuron claustrophobia really does not look like a good design at all to me 14:59:05 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 14:59:33 !tell steelneuron constantly varying drain gives it a bad interface, punishing people when already in places where they're not getting use out of the passives seems unnecessary, and it generally seems extremely inelegant and complicated 14:59:34 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:29 !tell steelneuron also the current divine blade rework forces gloves-slot artefacts onto species with no gloves slot 15:00:30 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 15:04:01 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:03 !tell steelneuron at this point i'd tend pretty strongly towards saying it should just be a pure passive status giving you long-term momentum and some slaying, the current design seems to be increasingly messy in trying to handle edge cases 15:04:03 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 15:06:17 -!- Dix has quit [Quit: lates] 15:08:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 15:13:47 -!- Basil is now known as Guest79655 15:13:47 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:18 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:05 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:22 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:33 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:03 !tell steelneuron (sorry, s/passive// in that last message, as in just an activated status effect of some sort) 15:21:03 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 15:26:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:25 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:38 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:12 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:27 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:42:24 -!- OgreWrestling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:46:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:31 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:49:10 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:58 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:55 -!- Walakea has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:09 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:03:22 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:04:00 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:05 -!- Guest79655 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:07 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:30 -!- bh is now known as Guest93116 16:10:13 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:38 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:57 -!- Basil is now known as Guest95104 16:21:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:02 -!- Wahaha has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:24 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-542-g921d738: Remove a hidden side-effect of siren songs 10(22 minutes ago, 5 files, 12+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/921d73887070 16:24:57 good 12 34 16:25:26 proven to be a good change via commit numerology 16:26:47 oh, i like the note about NF_MESSAGE_IF_UNSEEN 16:27:12 also: why were the flags 0x1 / 0x2 instead of just...? 16:27:21 my archaeology was pretty brief but yeah, i'm pretty sure it did nothing at any point 16:28:14 crawl's FALSE, TRUE, FILE_NOT_FOUND? 16:28:27 %git 95cc9338a77e5c4182e0f6e807801c6bcd438847 16:28:27 07greensnark02 * 0.8.0-a0-4355-g95cc933: New noise propagation system. 10(6 years ago, 5 files, 697+ 70-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95cc9338a77e 16:31:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:23 i have no clue how true the commit comments there are generally but there sure are a lot of weird things about how noise works that i had no clue about 16:32:47 hmm no clue about a lot of things apparently, words are hard 16:33:29 (probably they're still pretty true since i imagine nobody has delved far into noise code since!) 16:33:42 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:35:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 16:35:50 it would be cool if noise was exposed to players more 16:36:00 since i think it's an interesting system that adds a lot to crawl gameplay 16:36:07 could probably be simpler, of course, but it's hard to say without more info! 16:38:15 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:20 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:47 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-543-g932af17: Let the sword of Cerebov's rF- work on rDamnation monsters 10(69 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/932af17ce9ee 16:39:25 someone pointed that out in here a few days ago but i forgot who and was too lazy to search for it, apologies for lack of credit! 16:39:42 ooh, good comment there 16:39:45 i wonder if that was mine 16:40:08 yes! 16:40:49 but also, funnily enough 16:40:51 %git 24fbf643 16:40:51 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-2962-g24fbf64: Rework the Sword of Cerebov's -rF effect 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 16 files, 60+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24fbf643f8a4 16:40:58 ^ you added the behaviour in the first place :P 16:41:31 probably because downgrading rf++++ to rf+++ would be a weird and unintuitive behaviour 16:41:41 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:04 -!- adelrune has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:02 it made sense at the time, yes! 16:49:13 that's what they all say 16:49:15 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49:42 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-544-g2b9a704: Fix monster upheaval checking player invocations skill 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b9a704ec2e8 16:54:43 player-monster symmetry..... 16:55:32 wonderful 16:55:41 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5r1cce/yavp_barachian_berserker_of_trog_4runes/ 16:55:41 gammafunk: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:55:44 uh 16:56:01 weirdly they did have another invoc check for thunderclouds that was correctly removed 16:56:18 can be hard to catch everything 16:56:42 Pleasingfungus: I was wondering recently about a noise meter for the last turn at the player's location, seems like it could potentially be really useful. 16:57:00 it's been brought up in the past 16:57:02 probably one of the simpler implementations! 16:57:04 true, was just thinking it more likely to forget it entirely (i'm sure i would do that!) than to catch one case but not the other 16:57:05 my ideas were more complex 16:57:13 simple is good 16:57:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:57:24 you'd probably at least want to give it some color 16:57:28 based on the intensity of the sound 16:58:00 we don't really do this for the time display, although that too might be good 16:58:12 in terms of how long the last action took 16:58:29 that doesn't even have a proper label so maybe it'd be confusing though 16:58:35 i feel like how noisy specific actions are isn't the thing that's hard to understand as such 16:58:47 compared to how noise actually spreads 16:58:59 one challenge with the noise meter idea (which I was thinking of in bar graph form) is that I couldn't tell just from theorycrafting how confusing loud noises at distance would be 16:59:14 well, it's not hard to understand, but many people are simply unaware of differences 16:59:35 may not realize that fireball is as loud as it is, for instance (or maybe lightning bolt is a better example) 16:59:46 obv. use a choko display 16:59:50 that stuff is at least generally documented 16:59:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:00:00 is that in the spell description? 17:00:02 MarvinPA: people don't know about weapon noise, to be fair 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:13 gammafunk: it's in the memorize screen and also, as of the current version, the I screen 17:00:15 somewhere 17:00:18 yeah, ok 17:00:18 more obviously than in the past now yeah, it used to be only if you select a specific spell 17:00:22 but now it shows on the II screen 17:00:31 I think a lot of new players just have no clue about anything noise related, and don't realize just how loud their mibe of qazlal is 17:00:47 which i'm sure new players check constantly while worrying about spell hunger! 17:00:51 -!- Dark-Jedi has quit [Quit: If it breaks, you get to keep both backports.] 17:01:24 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:01:35 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01:50 i mean qazlal also seems like a poor example in that it's extremely obvious through play how noisy you are :P 17:02:05 yeah I'm exaggerating :-P 17:02:13 but yeah, things like abilities and items and such aren't really communicated at all and are less immediately obvious 17:02:25 actually I'm not sure if newer players really understand that even 17:03:12 who knows what new players think, really? they're the last frontier... the greatest mystery of all 17:03:18 I recently had a qazlal game with a Ds with antennae, and that was extremely illuminating for me as to how the noise impacted monster behavior (and I'd even 15 runed qazlal at one point) 17:03:48 solution is to give all players antennae 17:04:03 *and* demonic guardian, so they'll also learn how allies work 17:04:56 sounds legit 17:08:15 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:33 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:09:16 Btw did anyone have any feedback on pr 435 (which is me)? 17:09:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-544-g2b9a704 (34) 17:09:31 I figure it might just be waiting for someone who knows that code to look at it 17:10:47 ah 17:10:51 i read through it and it seemed plausible 17:10:59 but my confidence wasn't super high and i didn't have time to test 17:11:42 ok, thanks -- yeah I expect that someone else would want to test that 17:12:17 i don't remember, does the associated bug have a way to reproduce it? 17:12:31 not really but I can add some notes 17:12:38 it's annoying to reproduce 17:12:59 heh 17:13:05 yes, notes would be very helpful 17:13:16 !pr 435 17:13:16 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/435 17:13:29 basically make a Ds with the right muts and a giant axe and fill your los with monsters (ugly things worked ok for me); I also had good luck (maybe even better luck) with an unarmed Op 17:13:36 seems maybe worth considering if having it recurse like that is a good thing anyway, also 17:13:42 to test constriction and aux (tentacle slap) 17:13:59 MarvinPA: true! 17:14:49 MarvinPA: yeah by far the simplest fix would be to not have it recurse, which is easy to prevent against the current version by checking damage flavour 17:15:03 i'd definitely tend towards not doing, and maybe just bumping up the fraction of damage that's radiated out 17:15:05 I took it that recursion was intended based on the learndb wording 17:15:17 it's certainly intended 17:15:18 although maybe not even that, it's pretty crazy strong right now 17:15:25 the question is, should it be 17:15:38 well, a question. 17:16:36 yeah, it's extremely strong, based on my one usk game (which in fact was a Ds with spiny) 17:17:06 <|amethyst> ??pain bond 17:17:06 pain bond[1/1]: Monsters affected with pain bond broadcast their damage to nearby pain-bonded monsters. Amount of damage shared is damage*(4-distance)/5. Maximum range is 3 tiles. Damage from pain bond is also shared, allowing for massive feedback loops against large groups. Mindless creatures are immune. 17:17:25 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:28 I had debug messages in that printed the damage while I was testing, and based on that, recursion was accounting for about half the damage with a ton of monsters in los 17:17:49 very approximately 17:18:04 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:09 !messages 17:18:09 (1/7) MarvinPA said (2h 38m 24s ago): 16572. OgreWrestling, XL14 OgTm, T:24639 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/OgreWrestling/crash-OgreWrestling-20170130-175310.txt 17:18:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:13 it recurses a lot with 1 damage before it grounds out 17:18:36 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:14 3/5 to keep rounding back up to 1 for adjacent monsters i guess, yeah 17:20:30 MarvinPA: just read your messages on claustrophobia and others 17:20:32 though I guess I should add that I really didn't pay as much attention to the damage except when there were lots of monsters 17:20:42 OgreWrestling (L24 OgTm) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Crypt:3) 17:20:47 It's alright, I am just experimenting heavily since we're still in experimental :) 17:20:47 oh dear 17:22:46 Do you think the mechanic is salvageable with UI changes? I agree that the constantly changing number is not ideal, but in practical terms it seems to work quite well 17:24:11 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:00 i can't particularly see how ui changes would fix the design problems 17:25:34 it's also just extremely intrusive 17:25:56 it loudly yells that it's super important 17:26:36 Well, Chei's slow has no marker and it's probably more important 17:26:40 and as i said, the whole thing seems like it's solving a problem that doesn't exist 17:26:58 hm. Yeah, I don't have strong feelings either way 17:27:06 just wanted to play around with it as we are still in an experimental 17:27:16 There is some degree of a problem... 17:27:24 But it could be fixed differently 17:27:47 <|amethyst> what is the problem? 17:27:52 the god offers you a particular strength with an implicit drawback, being in the open, and that's cool 17:28:16 But it also allows you to renounce the drawback at any time by just normally retreating to a corridor 17:28:28 This is making it a bit too strong at the moment, I feel 17:29:00 It would be good if there was an elegant way to push you towards using the tools you're given, that was the reasoning behind clau 17:29:29 i mean that's literally what the tools themselves do 17:29:42 <|amethyst> hm, are the benefits really so weak that it's advantageous to forsake them and play in a corridor? 17:30:10 <|amethyst> they seemed kind of strong to me, but then I am not a cautious player 17:30:15 |amethyst: It's interesting in that they're often most useful when dealing with single targets 17:30:43 when dealing with groups, the natural instinct of taking a corridor is probably still better, although then again it depends on the monsters 17:31:00 you can easily herd a group of yaks and never get hit by more than one using whirlwind, but if there is anything ranged in there, it's trickier 17:31:06 But yeah, maybe I'm worrying too much 17:31:47 sif gives you spells and mp regen and so on but doesn't need to also give you negative slaying depending on how high your weapon skills are trained, or something 17:32:03 a more restrictive conduct like that works better as the focus of the design 17:32:53 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:32:54 <|amethyst> not serious, but what if you removed the ability to make normal attacks? 17:32:58 Yeah, I don't think I'm going to push claustrophobia any further. It was fun to test though 17:33:07 <|amethyst> s/not serious/not entirely serious/ 17:33:08 But it drove me into weird habits 17:33:17 lose piety for each normal attack 17:33:18 <|amethyst> or made normal attacks do like half damage or something 17:33:45 I thought of these three variations before 17:33:51 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:33:56 It's interesting... I'm just unsure of how they'd affect different builds 17:34:05 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:10 I'd like whatever conduct to be equally bad for ranged worshippers/casters 17:34:20 and that one seems to particularly focus on melee 17:34:24 But it's a possibility 17:34:29 a n t i m e l e e 17:34:34 the piety thing would be worse for sbl guys 17:34:56 I thought of another one 17:35:05 in order to use any ability, or attack, or do anything really other than wait 17:35:10 you must have moved just before 17:35:24 well, not attack 17:35:34 but seems so broken in so many places 17:35:43 Pleasingfungus: I posted some notes on reproducing in the DEAD_MONSTER bug thread which may conceivably help 17:35:53 yeah, saw 17:35:59 seems like the sort of thing that you could make more consistent by adjusting some parameters 17:36:17 yeah probably 17:36:38 is there any sort of wizmode checkpoint feature? I.e. to set up some conditions you want to return to repeatedly? 17:36:42 maybe increase the share of pain bond damage that gets recursed 17:36:48 there's "save the game and make a copy" 17:36:51 heh ok 17:37:06 |amethyst, MarvinPA: Do you think the god needs a conduct at all anyway? As MarvinPA said, I may be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist 17:37:40 It just feels like a lot of power with no drawback 17:38:04 <|amethyst> I feel like it needs something to not be more powerful than Trog 17:38:10 i don't particularly think so, it has more drawback than many gods (you have to fight in the open to make use of the powers) 17:38:15 <|amethyst> hm 17:38:29 the god does already have a conduct, of course 17:38:32 <|amethyst> did I mention I am a very incautious player? :) 17:38:39 :P 17:38:45 Pleasingfungus: if you increase the recursion more stuff will die on the regular attack, though 17:39:04 hmm I guess having a bad main attack would fix that, I didn't try that 17:39:17 bad main attack + weak monsters 17:39:57 :) right, I'm taking Clau out then 17:40:11 Honestly, I just wanted to come up with my own equipment slot for the bracers but it felt like a lot of back end trouble 17:40:28 it does make sense for the player though, so I just hijacked the gloves 17:40:35 the only rule it breaks is being equippable on felids, but if that's an issue I can just ban them from it again I guess 17:40:41 Now the other problem raised by MarvinPA remains: the heavenly assault thing 17:41:05 <|amethyst> err 17:41:19 <|amethyst> Felids aren't the only race with blocked glove slot 17:41:42 <|amethyst> and the crash in question was about being transformed into a form that melds gloves 17:41:49 true, IDK what I was thinking 17:41:54 the crash is a straight up bug though 17:41:59 heavenly assault shouldn't work when transformed 17:42:07 and if you transform with it, it should ascend back to heaven normally 17:42:15 I must've botched a check somewhere :/ 17:43:12 <|amethyst> SteelNeuron: I see all sorts of checks for form_can_wear 17:43:20 <|amethyst> SteelNeuron: but that asks "can this form wear anything?" 17:43:25 <|amethyst> not specifically gloves 17:44:44 <|amethyst> (consider Blade Hands for example) 17:47:10 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:47:16 <|amethyst> hm 17:48:22 <|amethyst> just to be sure before I report this... it's not ok to use (deliberately misspelled and/or censored) "bitches" and "faggot" even in CYC, right? 17:49:35 seems dubious 17:49:44 cost of a report is low regardless 17:50:05 <|amethyst> reported 17:50:52 |amethyst: you are correct 17:51:21 SteelNeuron: if you're looking to nerf the god a bit, I'd start by removing the status effects. I'm not at all sure they're necessary. 17:51:21 And they definitely add complication. 17:51:48 Lasty: That's one particular instance in which I have to be really insistent, I'm very convinced that they are necessary 17:52:06 I can explain my reasoning though, I don't just want to appeal to authority :) 17:52:10 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 17:52:16 There is one simplification that I was considering, which is making both cause distraction 17:52:28 |amethyst: resolving 17:52:42 But someone (I think MarvinPA ? or was it amalloy_?) brought up that it could not be sucha simplification after all 17:54:17 MarvinPA: I recall you recommending a ban for stupidberserker for continued problems -- was that for any misbehavior or just for shitposts in GDD? 17:58:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 17:58:51 <|amethyst> Lasty: also, I'm not sure if you saw the reddit thread about "I was banned just for one picture in Tavern" 17:59:23 I did not 17:59:47 <|amethyst> Lasty: everyone who replied seemed to think the ban was a good idea :) 17:59:53 <|amethyst> Lasty: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5qpy3i/ 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:16 hahaha 18:02:18 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:03:40 The last reddit thread I saw was re: jihad, and I'm really glad to see that they sometimes know absurd nonsense when they see it 18:04:41 MarvinPA: Alternative for the ultimate: It transforms a random piece of gear you have for the duration. So if you have a suitable weapon, it's that. If you have equipped gloves, you get the gloves. And that weird bracer idea can just be a ring 18:04:50 If you don't have anything suitable, you just fail to cast it 18:05:06 and by random, I totally didn't mean random, but you see what I mean 18:07:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:36 I'm out for now but I'll be looking to hear your opinion. Night everyone! 18:11:39 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:14:58 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-544-g2b9a704 (34) 18:18:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19:42 -!- Guest95104 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:00 -!- OrphineM has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:26:49 -!- OgreWrestling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:09 -!- Basil is now known as Guest4152 18:27:29 !tell steelneuron transforming an equipment slot that can vary (maybe weapon, maybe gloves, maybe rings) sounds like it'd introduce a bunch of problems in cases where, say, you have something in one of those slots you want to keep 18:27:29 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 18:27:58 !tell steelneuron and so end up equipping/unequipping certain slots to make sure the one you want is affected, or something 18:27:59 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 18:29:17 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: speaking of which, does Beastly Appendage really need to use a slot? 18:30:48 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:39 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:50 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35:05 not sure, it's definitely a bit fiddly currently yeah 18:35:30 On the other hand, that's the one aspect that makes it lose effectiveness over time 18:35:46 well, I guess its exclusivity with other forms is too, but only for Tm 18:36:14 <|amethyst> Lasty: except on plenty of races that doesn't do anything 18:36:24 <|amethyst> e.g. a troll will always be able to get talons 18:36:30 <|amethyst> since they can't wear boots 18:37:51 ah, true 18:37:55 I hadn't considered it 18:39:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:51 -!- warren_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:49 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:29 -!- mitch45678 has quit [Client Quit] 18:53:01 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 18:57:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:42 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01:34 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:03:16 <|amethyst> wheals_: are you really the only DCSS dev who has posted to /r/roguelikedev FAQ Fridays? 19:03:44 someone did it once instead of me, i think 19:03:55 i'm not sure if anyone did it after i kind of petered out doing them 19:04:19 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:23 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:03 I've made a comment in one of those posts 19:11:06 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:06 with some extra detail 19:11:13 was that comment a dunk? 19:11:18 but haven't really done what wheals did 19:11:44 Yeah, it was a dunk 19:11:51 I quoted some of Ru's code 19:12:01 "DON'T EVER DO THIS: " 19:12:20 "My favorite god's code looks like this. I dream about it and then wake, reaching out, as if I could touch the beauty I saw in my dreams." 19:12:52 rein it in, man 19:12:53 and then it was like "god_abilities[you.int()] //Indexing an array with player int seems fine here --Lasty" 19:13:14 gammafunk: I'm not seeing the issue 19:13:26 no issue if you go Chei! 19:13:33 int for days 19:13:37 . . . I suppose you wanted it to be Str??? 19:14:00 worshipping Chei and Ru causes that index to overflow 19:14:07 that's why we can't do two-headed ogre playable species 19:14:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:16:00 Ru sacrifice idea: Sacrifice Speed 19:16:10 would that be Sacrifice Leg? 19:16:23 <|amethyst> Lasty: Everyone knows the only reason we don't have that is because players suggested it and we'll be damned if we give them the least bit of satisfaction 19:16:32 <|amethyst> Lasty: same reason food hasn't been removed 19:16:56 Disgruntled players add a lot of flavor to DCSS 19:16:57 gammafunk: sacrifice arches 19:17:22 |amethyst: I feel like it'd be fine if we did those, as long as we brought back item weight and destruction 19:18:04 I suppose that joke might not work given that, incredibly, some players miss those 19:18:27 go with victory dancing then 19:18:36 <|amethyst> I think some players might miss that too 19:19:18 polymorph effects causing malmutate? 19:19:24 More malmutate and torment would definitely be a good change for Tavern 19:20:20 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-console-macosx.zip 19:20:27 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-tiles-macosx.zip 19:20:33 any os X users in channel? 19:20:43 if so can you verify that both of those work on your system 19:20:57 and specifically that the tiles one doesn't have mouse lag if you have a trackpad 19:24:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk: btw, have you seen https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22969 (game 'forgets' to update screen) 19:24:25 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/426 * 0.20-a0-447-gef0e9c2: Replace hard skill cap of 14 with a soft skill cap system. 10(20 minutes ago, 9 files, 124+ 90-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef0e9c2af1a1 19:24:35 <|amethyst> I want to say I've seen that reported before but I'm not sure 19:24:40 oh, weird 19:25:09 something that happened with the move to sdl2 I guess 19:25:34 <|amethyst> yeah, but I wonder what's different about this person't set-up? 19:26:23 <|amethyst> btw, I'm posting a link to those in the "Mac Os X 0.19.3 mouse delays" thread 19:26:42 <|amethyst> I guess you're probably already taking care of Mantis 19:27:23 oh no I haven't 19:27:33 but thanks for the update 19:27:40 hopefully we'll get that release linked today 19:27:49 just wanted to have someone on OS X test them both 19:28:09 <|amethyst> you have a CDO account, don't you? 19:28:29 !tell PleasingFungus In case you show up before anyone else can test these, can you try http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-console-macosx.zip and http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-tiles-macosx.zip to make sure they work ok? 19:28:30 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:28:51 amalloy_: if you're around and can test those two, please do 19:29:34 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/426 * 0.20-a0-448-g28a27cb: Fix comments for soft skill cap system. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28a27cbbd499 19:32:41 bah, I suck at git; I thought I split the XP attribute change into a separate commit but it just combined it instead 19:35:45 -!- Guest4152 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:38:43 -!- Basil is now known as Guest60597 19:47:11 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:32 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:52:17 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/426 * 0.20-a0-550-gdf966f0: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into cynos 10(12 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df966f07b9a9 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:40 -!- warren_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:04:52 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:24 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 20:23:35 -!- hellmonk has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:24:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:37 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:20 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:39 -!- Euph0ria is now known as EuphOria 20:35:29 -!- EuphOria is now known as Euph0ria 20:38:12 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:42:05 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:00 -!- Wahaha has quit [Client Quit] 20:49:56 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:51:29 -!- Ariebvo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:51:55 -!- adelrune_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:14 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:30 here's a question: if an unspoiled player wanted to know what weapon enchantment does - not the exact formulas, just that it affects accuracy & damage (and not weapon speed, etc) - how would they find out? 21:01:30 Pleasingfungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:03:51 gammafunk: works for me, though they're not signed of course 21:04:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04:10 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:19 thanks, and yeah we're not doing signing any more 21:08:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:44 until some Mac guru descends from heaven to handle OS X builds + signing for us 21:08:53 basically Steve Jobs will have to be resurrected 21:09:52 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:49 @??ancient lich 21:11:49 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 87-125 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 8208 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), force lance (3d27), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d28), crystal spear (.. 21:13:34 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:16 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:46 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:29 -!- tsujin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:42 -!- tsujin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:13 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:42 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:12 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:37 -!- adelrune_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:10 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:38 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:47:46 -!- Boatshow_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:49:38 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:54:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:02 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:10:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:22:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:36 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 22:32:22 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:15 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:54:35 -!- epsik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:04 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:12 -!- Mindiell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:57 -!- eb_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:50 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:54 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:51 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:51 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 23:52:11 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:13 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-tiles-win32.zip 23:56:21 http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-console-win32.zip 23:56:33 and http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.4-win32-installer.exe 23:56:56 any windows users in channel that want to test those, please do so. Particularly for Tiles we want to make sure the mouse works normally 23:57:10 installer might be easiest to test since it installs both