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Would it be possible to point the council god CBRO branch at the new PR instead of the old? (https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430). The new one is rebased and more clean, and more work is going to go on it as a candidate for merge :) 03:47:49 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 03:48:06 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:14 !tell johnstein If this could be done, I'd delete the older branch as it is kind of confusing to have two PRs. Thanks! 03:48:15 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 03:50:33 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:54 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:15 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:47 -!- Twinge has quit [] 04:05:04 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:05:04 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:33 -!- anthems has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:18:08 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:46 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:55 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: Probably restarting if not leaving] 04:54:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:11 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:12:45 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:54 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21:49 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54:10 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58:28 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:14 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:07:48 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:29 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:27 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:38:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:44 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:46:50 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:49 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 06:56:34 -!- Dark-Jedi has quit [Quit: If it breaks, you get to keep both backports.] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:15 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:33 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:27:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:23 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:32:25 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:04 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:42:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 07:52:20 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:50 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:42 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16:41 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18:47 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:03 -!- darkschneider has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:25 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:23:38 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:57 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:22 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:38:33 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:49:28 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:55:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:37 What do those mode messages mean? 09:16:42 <- IRC noob 09:16:54 daryashkoh (L11 MiMo) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (D:11) 09:20:06 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:20 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:28:52 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:22 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:35 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:59 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:35 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 10:04:01 -!- Kadarus has quit [] 10:04:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:36 -!- Boatshow has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:13:11 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 10:14:57 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:16 SteelNeuron: I'm assuming you'd still want to keep the old saves compatible right? shouldn't be too tough. I won't get to it till tonight though 10:15:16 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:17:16 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:18:33 -!- ebering_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:39 -!- bhaak has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:42 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:52 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:53 -!- Bodrick has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:18:53 -!- ebering has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:18:54 johnstein: I don't mind too much if they aren't. Thank you!! 10:18:58 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:23 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:23 -!- darkschneider has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:23 -!- XVar has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:23 -!- Euph0ria has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:24 -!- AltReality has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:24 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:25 -!- FIQ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- onmyo has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- mngrif has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- Weretaco has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- MrRooks has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- zomega has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- lynn has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:26 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:27 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:27 -!- Jorgrell has quit [*.net *.split] 10:19:36 well I figured if anyone is in Tt middle of a game they'd be bummed if they couldn't continue 10:19:45 in the middle 10:19:48 fair enough :) what would I have to do to guarantee that? 10:20:07 I mean, is there anything as far as the code goes? 10:22:23 I don't know. standard compatibility concerns I'd imagine. not sure how much you had to hack off during the rebase 10:22:34 if they are functionally the same it shouldn't be an issue 10:22:45 -!- darkschneider has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:45 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:45 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:45 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:45 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:45 (I haven't been keeping up with convos on the status of the PR in here so I probably can't offer much) 10:25:20 !kw newijc 10:25:21 Keyword: newijc => ijc vlong>=0.20-a0-667-g350a136 10:25:25 -!- AngelaSmythe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:25:35 !kw ijc 10:25:35 Keyword: ijc => god=ieoh_jian 10:25:49 !kw ioeh_jian 10:25:50 No keyword 'ioeh_jian' 10:26:17 how does that even work? I didn't think I exposed those log files 10:26:37 !kj ieoh_jian 10:26:41 !wj ieoh_jian 10:26:44 dear god 10:26:47 !kw ieoh_jian 10:26:48 No keyword 'ieoh_jian' 10:26:54 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:33 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:49 oh. 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So it's a pretty long-term commitment: you get the weapon, but once it's gone you have to earn back a lot of piety to use it again. (Of course, having a divine weapon wouldn't prevent you from earning 12:50:35 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:48 I like it on paper, not sure what the implications would be... 12:51:55 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:41 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:24 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:46 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:15 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:02:48 -!- chan20 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:29 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:08:56 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:10:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:47 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:20:13 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:50 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:25:12 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:28:36 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:29:05 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:17 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:33:41 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:12 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:19 -!- Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 13:49:05 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51:49 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:53 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:58 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:38 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:17 SteelNeuron: well you can't declare it to be a fantastic idea if you don't know what the implications would be! 14:09:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:13:18 -!- Fixer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:26 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:36 -!- thrig has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:17:52 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 14:19:33 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:12 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:09 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:23:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:27:26 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:27:58 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:50 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:52 gammafunk: Well, to rephrase: I might be missing implications :) 14:32:13 So essentially, you get a capstone at six pips that lets you borrow a good weapon, but as long as you have it you get very strong piety decay 14:32:17 say... 5x 14:32:27 when you reach four pips, you lose it 14:32:38 a capstone is a one-time thing 14:32:38 but you'll get the chance to request again when you're back to six 14:32:46 sorry, I abused the term there 14:33:15 granted, the weapons would have to be toned down to fit this new model 14:33:55 But I think it's interesting, and would simplify the back end a great deal, no need to deal with quick wielding-unwielding in combat as it would be a longer term thing 14:35:40 And it would put some pressure on you to stay on the move to make the most of it 14:35:57 you can't "opt out" by giving back the weapon early, of course, that would defeat the point 14:36:07 OR rather, you can, but you'd be bumped back to four pips immediately 14:37:12 that seems like an okay mechanic in isolation, but my understanding from vaguely skimming past discussions is you are trying not to add more complications to ijc 14:37:38 and it doesn't seem like such an amazingly great mechanic to justify adding another thing to iijc 14:38:13 amalloy: Sorry, it might be better if I add some context 14:38:21 I thought the pooiint was a simpler mechanic replacing a much mpore complex current mechanic 14:38:25 amalloy: This is related to my open question about how to simplify the last ability, because at the moment it does two different things 14:38:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:49 it either gives you a short term wieldable weapon, or if you're unable to wield because of a full inventory / being a felid / being melded, it gives you an animated ally instead 14:38:55 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:13 I wanted to phase out half of it, in order to simplify, but the remaining half is inelegant because it can leave you in bad situations if you happened to just have filled your inventory 14:39:47 luckless suggested to make it a longer term ability, which makes the inventory management much simpler (the god could even dump the weapon at your feet like others do) and at that point the summoning is unnecessary 14:40:16 and to add even more context, this comes after axing Steel Dragonfly, so with these two changes I will remove all remnants of animated weapons from the god 14:40:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:40:25 I kinda like the "fire and forget" aspect with the timer. esp as you said, it helps encourage you to press ahead 14:40:54 so altogether, the god should be significantly simpler (just by making this proposed change on a test branch I've removed 30% of the god's LOC 14:43:58 hrm, we don't really have any other instances of continuous piety costs like that, I guess 14:44:19 pain mirror is something that comes to mine, that triggers only on taking damage 14:44:32 likewise divine protection 14:45:12 SteelNeuron: if it has very strong piety decay at 6* how long does it even last? 14:45:22 most people at 6* aren't at max piety 14:45:29 or is that what 6* actually is 14:45:31 ??piety 14:45:31 piety[1/6]: With your current god, you have a piety number nominally from 1-200. If your piety reaches 0, you are excommunicated. piety[2] describes piety and penance. piety[3] describes piety growth in general. piety[4] describes piety growth for each god. piety[5] describes uses of piety. 14:45:41 ??* 14:45:41 *[1/5]: * (glyph) is an orb: {Orb of Destruction} {Orb of Fire} {Lost Soul} {Battlesphere}. 14:45:45 hm 14:45:50 ??*[3 14:45:50 ^[2/2]: Press Ctrl- with the character after the caret. If you can't use ctrl, hit * then the key. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character 14:45:53 ??*[4 14:45:54 *[4/5]: As part of an autoinscription like *Tele or *Rage, this means that property will occasionally autoactivate while wearing this item. (Similar to teleportitis or berserkitis.) 14:45:56 ??*[5 14:45:56 star item[1/1]: In {des} syntax, an item of quality (5 + depths * 2). The * glyph is defined as this by default. 14:46:03 it would last, at the very least, for all of the 5* range 14:46:03 i mean, i know the answer, which is that ****** is not max piety 14:46:09 it's 160-200 14:46:13 right, ok 14:46:23 plus however much of 6* you have built up 14:46:26 ??piety[\* 14:46:27 piety[6/6]: ...... = 1-29 piety; *..... 30-49; **.... 50-74; ***... 75-99; ****.. 100-119; *****. 120-159; ****** 160-200 14:46:30 SteelNeuron: so a problem with this is if you're at like 160 piety 14:46:41 and you use it, poof, the weapon goes away in like a turn or two? 14:46:45 or perhaps 14:46:48 No, it goes away at 12- 14:46:49 you would give it a fixed dur 14:46:49 120* 14:47:01 hrm, well 14:47:02 it has some hysteresis, if that makes sense 14:47:07 you unlock the ability at 160 14:47:11 but keep the weapon down to 120 14:47:20 is this any different from simply giving it a large piety cost and a dur based on invoc for the summon? 14:47:27 is there a reason why the decay need be continuous? 14:47:29 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:41 To force you to press ahead was luckless's idea 14:48:02 because by killing you fight back the decay 14:48:08 even if it's not by a huge amount 14:48:14 no, that's not related 14:48:16 SteelNeuron: it could have the opposite effect, though 14:48:18 like if there's a big piety cost 14:48:32 you still have to "press ahead" 14:48:32 you've lost the piety, right? 14:48:36 hm, fair point 14:48:44 I'm asking why does the piety cost need to be continuous 14:49:04 You're right, it isn't much of a difference, unless that decay is tied to how much you actually use it 14:49:10 like i use my superpower to win some big fight, hooray. i could press ahead to keep the weapon longer, but i don't *need* the weapon anymore, because i've won the big fight already. instead, i want it to go away asap so i can get back to accumulating piety instead of losing it 14:49:35 so the continuous piety decay encourages me to sit around between fights instead of pressing on 14:49:46 amalloy: you're right, hadn't thought of it that way 14:50:00 probably it could work as a simple high-cost summon 14:50:09 right, the BIA model seems fine for this 14:50:13 Yeah, just make it 40 piety or something 14:50:16 and much longer duration 14:50:18 he means Summon Greater Demon 14:50:21 trog bias is showing 14:50:32 so it takes you straight from fresh 6* to the beginning of 5* 14:50:35 and lasts for a while 14:50:54 SteelNeuron: one thing about this is there are a bunch of gods that give you strong summons at high piety 14:51:14 so if this summon you're making is not stronger than those, it will be a bit weird (it has a larger cost, presumably) 14:51:21 I'm not sure how strong this summon actually is 14:51:29 or if it has any other big attendant benefits 14:51:37 invoke antaeus 14:51:52 Just to make sure we're not in a misunderstanding 14:51:56 it won't be an actual summon this time 14:52:01 it's a weapon you get, for you to wield 14:52:29 oh, I probably did misunderstand, I thought you were trying to eliminate the equipping issue 14:52:37 on the contrary, I'm phasing out all summons 14:53:06 the reason why this simplifies things is that, if I'm doing something long term, I can take it easy and fail the ability if the inventory is full, or even dropping the weapon at the player's feet 14:53:24 ok, so this isn't a summon 14:53:32 you're creating a really nice weapon 14:53:56 seems like that would not be any particuarly crazy cost 14:53:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:16 like compare it to usk, which gives you an ability somewhat like what you were proposing in terms of dynamics 14:54:23 surprised I didn't think of that earlier, actually 14:54:29 but this ability is one of the strongest things in the game 14:55:14 Yeah, the use case for this would be "Alright, I want to tackle and end vault, so I will get a very powerful unrand to deal with it, but I have to clear it quick" 14:55:27 right, this sounds like a good 5* 14:55:30 if you don't rest much and stay on the move, it should last you for an end vault or even a couple levels, but no more 14:55:58 not so much an epic all or nothing to burn a lot of piety 14:56:27 but I don't know how piety is gained with the god, maybe it would be good at 6* 14:56:50 It has relatively simple piety formula, it accepts kills of any MH, and it decays at Trog speed 14:57:08 ok, so I doubt using said weapon would change your piety gain much in the near term, so you'd use this and gain back piety at a usual rate 14:57:10 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:23 you'd just be somewhat stronger in a very IJC way 14:57:47 yeah, and you'd be forced to stick with an unfamiliar weapon type for a while 14:57:52 which I think is interesting 14:58:12 of course wieldable, but not necessarily your prime choice, forcing you to improvise 14:58:54 best IJC weapon: a +72 club, to commemorate pakellas 14:58:55 yeah, how this weapon forces you to do that or is likely to relate to your current weapon I don't know; typically a different weapon would just mean 14:59:03 "ok I have a different ego and delay" 14:59:12 but I guess IJC does things based on weapon type? 14:59:27 gammafunk: not anymore, i think. it's just you'd have riposte for a while, or reaching or cleaving 14:59:50 and weapon type doesn't interact with the god's powers? 14:59:59 the actives, I mean 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:14 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:21 if so, that would be a fairly subtle change for most players, especially if you can't plan to get a specific weapon type 15:00:28 i know it used to; i think it doesn't but of course SteelNeuron is the authoritative source for that 15:00:29 probably I need to understand more of what the rest of the god does 15:07:05 sorry, I'm back 15:07:08 the weapons are quite simple 15:07:11 the divines, that is 15:07:46 they're good bases of mundane varieties, like dire flail, greatsword, double sword, with high enchants, a brand tied to each weapon type (always speed, flame or elec) 15:07:52 so is tavern actually right about a buckler being better than a shield for early game, like a Fi start? i just started a cbro ijc game and i'm pretty sure this large shield is a good equip but tavern probably thinks i'm dumb 15:07:53 and an intrinsic, momentum+, that ties to the god 15:08:05 It just makes the martial attacks deal more damage and have a special message 15:08:19 like "You lunge with incredible momentum" (it's a 1.5x damage bonus) 15:08:42 oh, that's cute 15:09:12 and all weapons can do all maneuvers now, so the main difference between them is base and brand 15:10:31 yeah, it sounds like the player isn't always going to care too much about their specific type 15:10:46 the specific type of god-granted weapon 15:11:13 although I also don't know how the skilling now works with IJC, in terms of the crosstraining thing 15:14:03 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:14:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:48 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:36 right, so 15:16:40 we're taking UC out of that 15:16:48 only 80% between weapon types 15:17:11 so if it lines up with your "specialty", good, but worst case, you have 80% of your SP on whatever weapon you get 15:18:38 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:17 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:20:50 I wonder if IJC followers might elect to train their weapon skill past min delay then 15:21:08 I could certainly see that happening to some degree for 1h weapons, where the cost for doing that is not so high 15:21:32 i think you would actually prefer to do the opposite, right? instead of continuing to train your main weapon, you stop training it early to get crosstrain with other stuff 15:21:57 train it up to 40% past min delay 15:22:42 probably not quite worth it, but if you're able to do these moves in most fights and with 1.5 damage, having lower delay would be worth it 15:23:03 *most fights where you use the ability we're talking about, that is 15:23:04 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:23:11 by the way, now that we're talking about this 15:23:24 I'm also taking out Steel Dragonfly (the weapon projection thing) 15:23:33 because summons are fiddly, and it didn't meld with the kit 15:23:42 and I proposed a substitute that I think works much better, would like to hear your take 15:23:50 and also make sure it wouldn't break anything 15:24:15 Serpent's Lash (3 piety, exhaustion, instant): Your next two movement actions are instant. 15:24:28 Anything that isn't movement cancels the effect (including taking stairs) 15:25:36 the idea being to use those movement actions on martial attacks? 15:25:44 I would probably go for making them just very fast 15:25:45 seems like it would be better saved as an escape option 15:26:11 yeah that's a good point as well 15:26:11 make some distance between yourself and the monsters so you can go upstairs without being followed 15:26:22 but regarding the technical issues, there are effects that trigger when things come into los 15:26:56 and I'm not super sure how those would react to 0 aut actions 15:27:36 !spd 30 15:27:36 0.33 move delay for 30 spd. 15:29:07 |amethyst might be a good person to ask if 0 aut movements would outright break anything, but I'd guess that just making them low aut movement would be best 15:29:25 I seem to recall that there's a floor on player movement currently, so that might be a thing to deal with 15:29:46 gammafunk: the freeze-time effect in wizmode already probably would expose issues with 0-aut moves 15:29:47 i don't think it does anything too outrageous 15:29:55 amalloy: yes, I did think of that, but it's not at all been extensively tested 15:30:01 definitely 15:30:03 like we don't even have a make test for using that or anything 15:30:24 but what amalloy earlier said is also true, unless you can condition the use of this somehow, people will use it to run away 15:30:48 kind of an ultra-short swift without any -swift debuff 15:31:08 it could be as easy as "martial attacks in the next N turns" rather than "next N moves" 15:31:41 well I'm not sure that would be interesting though; maybe it would be 15:31:53 since you can't reposition, that's kind of just "here's some damage" 15:32:07 well it's damage conditioned on repositioning 15:32:13 since martial attacks require you to move 15:32:18 oh I see what you mean 15:32:24 yeah possibly that could be good 15:32:35 players might make pretty weird moves on things they don't care about 15:32:40 just to move away 15:32:40 yes 15:32:45 but I guess that's all part of the show 15:32:48 heh 15:32:50 The thing is 15:32:54 I've seen a lot of those asian martial arts movies 15:33:03 some of those moves they do sure don't look practical 15:33:08 using it to move away isn't that strong considering that, with good positioning, you can already do it with wall jump 15:33:21 In the context of IJC, gaining a way to get some extra distance isn't that powerful 15:33:50 but it allows you to line things up just right (lunge is used to punish distracted monsters, but it's often difficult to be on the right place at the right time) 15:34:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:09 maybe it's not a good fit then, yeah 15:34:30 but giving free move has issues that we pointed out; you have to ask what's the intent of the ability 15:34:32 i don't think i agree. getting some distance without having to be positioned well first is a big step up 15:34:55 amalloy: Don't get me wrong, it is, but I think it's worth the piety cost 15:35:03 so to the question of: Would I spend 3 piety to get away from trouble, the answer is yes 15:35:13 the follow up question is... Would I do the same for martial attacks? 15:35:21 well that's what we're confused about, SteelNeuron 15:35:23 And that's where it gets interesting... Because ideally the answer would be yes to both 15:35:24 what is the intent of this ability 15:35:25 the point is if it's an Exh ability that *can* be used for escape, it is pretty hard to justify using it for anything other than escape 15:35:31 amalloy: I see 15:35:33 like you don't power leap into a group of monsters 15:35:53 I mean, you can phrase it like "Your next two martial attacks are instant" 15:36:00 and just have it be a duration 15:36:03 yes, that was an alternative i proposed 15:36:15 that sounds better, you're right... 15:36:24 you can keep the duration on the back and cast and attack normally 15:36:34 but every martial attack you do takes one of the two charges off and takes no AUTs 15:36:38 hrm 15:36:40 as gammafunk points out, that encourages you to do some weird things still 15:36:42 well that is a bit of a problem 15:36:44 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:50 since I need to mentally track when I've used one 15:36:57 it kind of needs to display "moves left" 15:37:08 like make sure there's a rat between you and the staircase 15:37:15 so that you can martial-move past the rat? 15:37:18 I was thinking of "Serp(2)" -> "Serp(1)" 15:37:24 yeah could work 15:37:43 amalloy: that sounds awesome! 15:38:08 yeah i can see how that could be not as awful as it sounded to me at first 15:38:16 do you people play dcss 15:38:19 rats aren't fun. 15:38:23 wall jump doesn't need monsters anyway 15:38:40 so you could still combine the two for escape, but it wouldn't be brainless 15:38:49 -!- Apachew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:51 would still require some thought about positioning and your surroundings 15:39:07 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:29 that reminds me, here is a funny thing: 15:39:29 ########## 15:39:29 r@........ 15:39:29 .......... 15:39:29 ########## 15:39:47 nice quokka 15:40:13 a wide hallway is not exciting for non-IJC dudes, but for IJC it's like...kinda insane? 15:40:41 not sure if that is a problem, a feature, or just so uncommon as not to matter 15:40:43 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:33 well it's somewhat common; is it only insane if it's two-tiles wide like that? 15:41:50 like three tiles and it's not so insane? 15:41:52 it's probably still good at three tiles, just less so 15:42:04 at two tiles you can move at double-speed while attacking things 15:42:15 three tiles you get like 1.5 speed 15:42:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:42:36 double speed is fairly insane, although in the scenario there, do you even need to move? 15:42:57 not against a quokka, but if it were an ettin or something 15:43:14 especially for a Cj 15:43:27 jump back, fireball, jump back, fireball 15:44:26 or wait, can you even wall-jump in a two-wide thing. maybe it has to be three 15:44:34 still, same idea 15:44:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:36 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:50:23 wait, wat? 15:50:25 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:50:26 two tiles shouldn't really help 15:50:35 (I am partly at work, sorry for taking so long to reply) 15:50:39 Oh, I see what you mean 15:50:47 No, two tile wide corridors don't allow you to wall jump at all 15:51:06 It would have to be three wide, and it's totally intended, I like that the geometries you're looking for are very different 15:51:32 wall jump takes you always exactly two tiles away from the obstacle you're walking towards, so to zip you need: 15:51:44 ######## 15:51:55 @....... 15:51:58 ........ 15:52:00 ........ 15:52:03 ######## 15:52:49 It can be very good for kiting indeed, I considered making the wall jump be noisy for this very reason 15:52:55 but it isn't too... ninja-like? 15:53:43 well amalloy mentioned "jump back" as some kind of thing you could do that's distinct from wall jump 15:54:18 but I'm not sure which he meant exactly, I too can't take a more careful look at things atm 15:54:30 no i meant wall jump 15:54:42 and as i later said i realized it has to be 3 15:57:59 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:07 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:02:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 16:02:52 Can that be problematic? 16:03:08 In my experience with it I haven't found enough 3-tile wide big areas to consider it a big exploit, but I can be biased 16:03:53 oh, I understand your message now 16:04:11 re amalloy's two-wide correction 16:11:16 -!- junb69 has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:56 -!- newtant has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:16 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:36 -!- Dix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:44 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:30:26 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:39 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:56 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:45:16 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:28 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:00 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:59:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:18 -!- bgiannan has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:03:21 -!- bgiannan_ is now known as bgiannan 17:03:48 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:44 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:29 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:19:18 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:09 hey, we should remove butchering 17:22:14 it's kind of gross and weird 17:22:35 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23:13 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:41 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:08 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:20 you think chunks of goblin flesh just grow on trees? you city slickers are hopelessly disconnected from nature 17:35:18 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:35 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:19 #fedhassays 17:37:26 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:49 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:55 I can't eat goblin meat. I'm allergic 17:41:04 no it's not just a dietary preference! 17:45:14 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45:36 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:12 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:57 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:01 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:17 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:05 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:24 gammafunk: the tricky thing is when you eat mexican food, the rice and beans are often made from goblin stock 17:48:37 You have to ask, but the waitstaff doesn't always know 17:50:42 I hate that. And when they don't use real hyrda lard in the beans 17:51:15 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:20 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52:32 why even eat the beans at that oint 17:52:35 point 17:53:29 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:42 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:08 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:27 -!- sneakynesss has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:39 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:45 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:13 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:57:38 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:56 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:46 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:59:46 -!- concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:58 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:56 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-495-g2241292 (34) 18:03:54 Hi, I probably can confirm this bug https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10278 / Windows / DCSS 0.19.1 / it is not that extreme for me, it is only ocassional like 0.5 sec cursor lag few times a minute, mouse click still selects properly 18:04:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:01 ATI HD6870 18:09:38 -!- sneakynesss has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:06 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:50 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:12 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:12:33 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:39 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:51 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:53 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:28 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16:29 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:19:27 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:20:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:20:08 Fixer: yep, it's a problem with our SDL loop that I'm going to get back to trying to fix soon 18:20:28 dates back to 0.16 18:20:29 -!- elrondhubbard has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:37 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:21:09 the time of the delay can vary, it's usually 1-2 seconds in my testing 18:21:14 probably 1 sec on average 18:21:15 gammafunk: thanks for quick response, I decided to try out few versions... 0.16.1 tiled one does not have this problem it seems, i will try harder 18:21:26 gammafunk: it happens rarely for me, but annoying 18:21:34 delay is about 0.5 sec 18:21:40 core i3 + ati hd6870 18:21:41 Fixer: if you create a bunch of items around yourself in wizard mode, in piles 18:21:50 you can mouseover from pile to pile and eventually trigger it 18:22:09 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:22:21 probably doesn't need to be a pile on each tile, just at least one item 18:22:27 yes, I have it both on main screen and on inventory 18:22:57 rarely, it is very slight and subtle bug for me, but it bumps my OCD :D 18:22:57 haven't tried from inventory; you mean in a menu or on the sidebar? 18:23:08 right, it's certainly annoying and something we want to fix 18:23:13 when you hover around inventory 18:23:24 i will try to record a GIF to show youy 18:23:26 ah, right, that's a good way for me to recreate then, actually 18:23:27 you* 18:23:31 no it's ok, I get what you mean 18:23:52 i want to be extra sure devs know about it, i will try gif now, it should not be that hard 18:23:54 that makes it easier to test even, since I don't have to create any piles 18:23:56 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:24:17 you will need to hover it a bit, to really catch that yellow cursor delay 18:24:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:35 -!- scummos| has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- lynn has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- MrRooks has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- feksclaus has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- uelen has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- snapek has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:36 -!- Cerpin has quit [*.net *.split] 18:24:37 well what happens is this 18:24:38 when it lags, you can still click it and it will select proper tile you selecting right now 18:25:02 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:02 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:02 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:15 imgur accepts mp4 i will try to record it right now :) 18:25:25 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:27 yeah it's a known bug Fixer 18:25:44 believe me, we've seen it before 18:25:51 i want fresh eyes to really confirm it is same one 18:26:40 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:41 well you've already described it the way it's manifest in the past 18:26:58 feel free to upload any images regardless, but I'm getting to that bit of code soon 18:27:14 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:53 success, will post in as sec 18:28:37 gammafunk: just before end of the gif skips yellow potion https://imgur.com/a/noSh6 18:28:43 thats it 18:28:44 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:28:57 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:29:55 gammafunk: can you confirm it as same bug? 18:30:11 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:44 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:59 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:29 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:33:32 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 18:36:53 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:11 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:08 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:54 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:00 ??stat gain [2] 18:58:01 stat gain[2/2]: Ba sid/5 | Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg choose2/3 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 | VS sd/4 18:58:07 how come Ko are sd/5 rather than sid/5 18:58:12 or id/5 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:47 sounds like an oversight 19:05:27 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:06:17 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:08:34 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:36 <|amethyst> Kobold and halfling stat gains weren't changed when the two species were most recently differentiated 19:09:40 <|amethyst> it's very weird IMO for kobolds but not halflings to get strength gains 19:11:34 it was intentional, in that there's a whole bunch of species with id (i guess one less now though) and doing that would push ko closer to spriggans 19:12:18 could see ko just being generic sid maybe 19:12:55 that would make Ko tied with Ba and Mu in stat gain thoughg 19:13:09 and Mf 19:13:15 and Op 19:13:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:13:21 huh there's more of those than I thought 19:13:39 don't worry 19:13:42 if they're tied with Mu 19:13:49 we'll implement operation mummy nerf 19:14:09 then it will be rip MuSu for sure 19:15:29 if all those previous nerfs haven't killed MuSu yet 19:15:31 nothing will 19:15:38 except removing the race or the class 19:16:23 !lg * musu won max=cv x=cv 19:16:24 112. [cv=0.20-a] Charly the Demonologist (L24 MuSu of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-11-29 00:15:41, with 1392542 points after 95924 turns and 8:06:23. 19:16:35 charly :O 19:16:49 !hs * musu 19:16:50 23075. elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13 19:39:50, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 19:16:58 still the gold standard after all these years 19:17:07 I really need to get around to beating that 19:17:15 I wonder, about small race popularity 19:17:27 the ko/ha changes were in 0.19, weren't they? 19:17:39 %git :/[Hh]alfling 19:17:39 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19.0-11-g3fc08b3: Don't make demon tridents one-handed for small races (WalkerBoh) 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fc08b39ea51 19:17:48 !gitgrep 2 [Hh]alfling 19:17:49 %git HEAD^{/[Hh]alfling}^^{/[Hh]alfling} 19:17:49 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1506-ge972ad5: Simplify some size-based weapon handedness checks 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 51+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e972ad551e97 19:17:53 !gitgrep 3 [Hh]alfling 19:17:53 %git HEAD^{/[Hh]alfling}^^{/[Hh]alfling}^^{/[Hh]alfling} 19:17:53 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1398-g1264885: Differentiate Halfling/Kobold apts and stats once again 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 25+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1264885cdf93 19:18:02 ah, yes they were 19:18:28 !lg * current !boring urune<=5 sp|ko|ha s=crace% 19:18:30 22482 games for * (current !boring urune<=5 ((sp || ko || ha))): 11158x Spriggan (49.63%), 7335x Kobold (32.63%), 3989x Halfling (17.74%) 19:18:52 !lg * current !boring urune<=5 !experimental s=crace% 19:19:01 343056 games for * (current !boring urune<=5 !experimental): 39811x Demonspawn (11.60%), 33868x Minotaur (9.87%), 23941x Octopode (6.98%), 21447x Deep Elf (6.25%), 21425x Gargoyle (6.25%), 16240x Hill Orc (4.73%), 16111x Draconian (4.70%), 16051x Formicid (4.68%), 14704x Vine Stalker (4.29%), 12706x High Elf (3.70%), 11080x Spriggan (3.23%), 10967x Troll (3.20%), 10803x Merfolk (3.15%), 9983x Mumm... 19:19:30 ha still seems to be the one people just don't play as much 19:19:50 !lg * current !boring urune<=5 !experimental s=crace% o=-N 19:19:59 343059 games for * (current !boring urune<=5 !experimental): Lava Orc (0.00%), 1973x Barachian (0.58%), 3968x Halfling (1.16%), 4755x Deep Dwarf (1.39%), 4981x Demigod (1.45%), 5734x Felid (1.67%), 6435x Vampire (1.88%), 6748x Ghoul (1.97%), 6985x Centaur (2.04%), 7312x Kobold (2.13%), 7513x Tengu (2.19%), 8432x Naga (2.46%), 9190x Ogre (2.68%), 9893x Human (2.88%), 9984x Mummy (2.91%), 10803x Mer... 19:20:19 Halfling's just not sexy. 19:20:46 need to rename halflings to goblins 19:20:50 goblins are extremely sexy 19:20:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:15 indeed 19:23:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: my complaint isn't so much that Ko has str as that Ha doesn't 19:24:08 I think sid/5 would be good for ko 19:24:12 make ko pure dex and ha sd 19:24:13 well, ha's thing is vaguely of being dex-only and getting absurd ev and sh 19:24:21 I mean Ko do have a strong desire to use int 19:24:24 with that rework 19:24:51 and from sd/5 ro sid/5 is a very small increase on average 19:24:58 sd would be okay for them too i imagine but there's no other dex-only race, i suppose they might want a bit more strength for medium armours 19:24:59 s/ro/to/ 19:25:11 my suggestion was just switching them 19:25:41 <|amethyst> make Ce dex-gain-only in their place 19:25:51 <|amethyst> (maybe not) 19:26:22 <|amethyst> Since horses are born very wobbly, and only with time develop the grace and speed for which they are known 19:26:24 Ce tend to have higher ER with the barding, although I guess they tend towards lighter armours 19:26:54 don't centaurs turn into walking fortresses 19:27:08 you certainly don't have to have high ac as a centaur 19:28:01 centaurs are not known for getting great defenses at much of any point really, yeah 19:29:33 ??centaur barding 19:29:33 barding[1/1]: Armour for the non-human half of nagas or centaurs. Worn in the boot slot, but has 4 base AC and can be enchanted to +4; they also cannot get the "running" brand, but can get (fire|cold) resistance. Can get the flying brand, and lasts until cancelled, like boots of flying. Reduces EV by 2; this is not like body armour's evasion penalty. 19:29:39 they get this instead of boots 19:30:25 oh I guess the barding thing doesn't interact through ER? 19:30:31 it's just a flat EV penalty? 19:30:38 sure, that makes up for deformed body at least, they still don't end up with anything like naga defenses for example though 19:30:43 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:44 and yeah just flat -ev 19:30:47 welp 19:32:03 The -3 defensive apts are quite noticeable 19:32:59 they have -3 in both armor and dodging 19:33:15 which alone swings them toward neither 19:33:26 their universally poor casting apts and barding push towards armor 19:35:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:37:40 gammafunk: have you looked at my gif? 19:41:02 i will greatly appreciate if this bug gets fixed eventually, thanks 19:47:41 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:47 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:51:11 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:11 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:18 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:25 -!- casmith789_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55:41 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 19:58:59 -!- AltReality has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:01 -!- eb_ has quit [] 20:07:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-496-g3cd7e3f: Don't torment randomly when wielding the sceptre of Torment 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cd7e3fab459 20:07:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-497-g036ebb2: Adjust shop pricing of various weapon unrands 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/036ebb225e18 20:07:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-498-g523475b: Adjust Kobold stat gain 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/523475b1b9f3 20:10:58 arguably the sceptre of torment could lose its special tag now since it functions totally fine in monster hands 20:11:50 (although it would've been just as fine before too i guess, robe of clouds and storm bow are also monster-usable without their world_reacts thing working) 20:11:56 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13:34 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:54 but anyway yeah, possibly torment is too mean 20:16:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:43 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 20:17:51 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18:46 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:59 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:19:05 -!- darkschneider has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:03 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:43 Pleasingfungus: important data point: 20:24:46 woah 20:24:47 Pleasingfungus: BaBe is really easy 20:24:53 lol 20:24:59 !lm lasty babe 20:25:00 No keyword 'babe' 20:25:02 frig 20:25:10 !lm lasty ba be 20:25:14 31. [2017-01-19 01:18:46] Lasty the Severer (L15 BaBe of Trog) killed Sonja on turn 25326. (Orc:2) 20:25:19 poor sonja 20:25:21 what's she even doin in there 20:25:32 Just orc things 20:25:34 how did my default char name in my local build become 20:25:38 THEUSLURPER 20:25:42 lol 20:25:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:25:54 gammafunk: you got drunk and entered something amazing? 20:25:59 not my fault. 20:26:04 or left your comp unlocked near someone amazing? 20:28:10 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:40 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:01 The Uslurpers 20:31:07 no... not quite worthy. 20:32:04 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:34:53 Pleasingfungus: possible name change for Ba: Slowrcs 20:35:28 um i'm sorry aren't we using slow elf 20:35:39 slelf? 20:36:00 Elf on the Horse Tranquelizers 20:36:17 i am informed that Players Do Not Want To Play Elves. 20:36:21 er, orcs* 20:36:23 bad typo! 20:36:32 but they do want to play slowrcs 20:36:50 we'll see about THAT 20:37:30 if anyone is interested in looking at my unrand tweak PR that would be nice 20:37:35 i just added a commit to rename sword of jihad 20:38:03 and i can't threaten to tweak one more unrand every day it is ignored since i'm going on holiday tonight! 20:38:05 alexjurkiewicz: I'm in favor. What's the new name? 20:38:55 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/431 * 0.20-a0-474-gc47a6eb: Rename Sword of Jihad 10(13 hours ago, 15 files, 14+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c47a6eb1f0e3 20:40:24 oh, it's in 431 20:40:29 that would explain why i couldn't see it on the PR list 20:40:45 i like this thing you have going where you don't bother providing justifications for any proposed changes 20:40:48 and by like, i mean 20:41:05 you just got PF'd 20:42:16 alexjurkiewicz: I'm kinda fine w/ the bloodlust changes, but I'm not really on board with the other two 20:42:35 But what I'd really like is to have the jihad changes in their own request 20:42:55 i would rather that rf[infinity] did not exist anywhere, however close to that rf+++ may be in practice 20:43:26 I'm not 100% sure how I feel about Finisher. It's differenty, and that's nice 20:43:40 but a bad weapon that just randomly kills stuff . . . not sure how to evaluate that 20:45:31 Pleasingfungus: i did provide justifications! 20:45:36 well, for the bloodlust necklace 20:45:51 :P 20:45:55 sword of jihad I didn't want to try to explain the politics in a git message 20:46:31 Lasty: I think in practice the change will make it "if you find this take it to kill the pan lord more easily" and that's about it. Maybe it should just be removed 20:46:45 it also shares the same tile as scythe of curses so nothing of value would be lost 20:47:31 oh, it kills panlords too? I skimmed it, but I thought it was living only 20:47:48 everything has a soul except plants and the undead 20:48:05 demons have souls, unless they're undead demons 20:48:20 don't ask me how I justify this with the existence of liches 20:50:53 alexjurkiewicz: could say something like, "avoid mixing real-world religions in the game" 20:51:13 except that zealots are from the real world, but they're two thousand years gone, so who cares 20:52:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:05 The build has errored. (master - 523475b #7582 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/193247330 20:52:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:52:22 :) 20:53:30 imo: justify your commits 20:53:53 if you aren't gonna justify them in the commit, where are you? 20:54:13 we're trying to be clearer about why we do the things we do; dropping in commentless commits isn't really helping anything 20:54:26 and you aren't gonna hit any kind of message cap 20:54:30 r-i would have been in a lot of trouble otherwise! 20:55:34 :) 20:57:16 for firestarter, it feels weird that you get immunity to one sort of fire damage but only partial resistance to other sorts 20:57:33 and it's a super fun weapon 20:57:37 i'd be perfectly fine with removing the fire cloud immunity too 20:57:45 i was never a fan of it to begin with! 20:57:52 hm, and then give it rf+++? 20:58:08 ??firestarter 20:58:08 firestarter[1/3]: +7 great mace of flaming; rF++, inner flames what it hits and provides immunity to fire clouds. Explosions will still hurt you. 20:58:11 i wonder how the self-damage would compare 20:58:16 i regularly blow dudes up in my face with manual inner flame 20:58:25 i don't think it needs much past rF++ 20:58:27 also, does flame cloud immunity help with tabbing? 20:58:37 possibly 20:59:00 because then removing it would make tabbing really hard with firestarter, which is Real Bad imo 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:04 hm, autofight doesn't mention clouds at all 21:00:40 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:23 it would be cloud.cc logic, probably 21:01:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:19 ok, dropped the finisher & firestarter changes, added explication 21:07:31 Yeah, the flame cloud immunity was purely for tabbing IIRC 21:08:35 03alexjurkiewicz02 07* 0.20-a0-471-ge7aad14: Substantially buff the necklace of bloodlust 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7aad143bbb9 21:08:35 03alexjurkiewicz02 07* 0.20-a0-472-g405fccf: Rename Sword of Jihad 10(14 hours ago, 15 files, 14+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/405fccfacef3 21:08:35 03PleasingFungus02 {GitHub} 07* 0.20-a0-501-g0de2c2e: Merge pull request #431 from alexjurkiewicz/better-bloodlust 10(9 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0de2c2ee97a8 21:09:28 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-498-g523475b (34) 21:09:46 🙌 thanks lads 21:10:11 do you want to see a photo of a big spider I caught last night as payment 21:10:13 ??bloodlust 21:10:14 necklace of bloodlust[1/1]: Cursed {amulet of rage}. +2 str, -2 int, +3 slay, MR+, makes you angry (equivalent to berserkitis 3; triggers on 9% of attacks), and recurses 1 in 3 times when worn. Extends your berserk duration slightly on 50% of kills. 21:10:14 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:35 uh 21:10:44 i don't think i have any particular need for spider photos. 21:10:44 so MR++ and +6 slaying 21:10:45 got it 21:10:48 but, thanks 21:10:58 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:11:17 no it's fine, here you go https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/137378198856925185/271224277011922944/IMG_20170118_212655.jpg 21:11:42 aw, it's a cutey. 21:11:48 good rear markings 21:12:08 -!- Dark-Jedi has quit [Quit: If it breaks, you get to keep both backports.] 21:12:55 hey, Gozag is a comment on the real world :) 21:13:01 not as blunt as "Jihad", granted 21:13:06 arguably zin, also 21:13:20 honestly i wouldn't have approved the change except that i really like the word 'zealot' 21:13:51 I hope nobody dares touching Beogh water walking :) 21:14:19 hrm, of course, we already use the word 'zealot' in crawl 21:14:24 in a slightly different context 21:14:26 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:31 !learn set necklace_of_bloodlust Cursed {amulet of rage}. -3 int, +6 slay, MR++, 5% berserk on attack, extends berserk duration on 50% of kills. Recurses 33% of the time. 21:14:32 necklace of bloodlust[1/1]: Cursed {amulet of rage}. -3 int, +6 slay, MR++, 5% berserk on attack, extends berserk duration on 50% of kills. Recurses 33% of the time. 21:15:04 !learn set necklace_of_bloodlust Cursed {amulet of rage}. -3 int, +6 slay, MR++, 5% berserk on attack, extends berserk duration on 50% of kills. Recurses 33% of the time. (+3 slay & MR+ in 0.19-) 21:15:04 necklace of bloodlust[1/1]: Cursed {amulet of rage}. -3 int, +6 slay, MR++, 5% berserk on attack, extends berserk duration on 50% of kills. Recurses 33% of the time. (+3 slay & MR+ in 0.19-) 21:15:12 !lg dynast won 21:15:14 238. Dynast the Merry Frog (L27 BaHu of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2017-01-19 02:12:17, with 2177362 points after 79867 turns and 4:31:25. 21:15:17 sorry, but 21:15:21 "Merry Frog"? 21:15:35 hoppy holidays 21:17:01 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:17:22 think you're really punny, don't you... 21:18:24 merry frog is good, imo 21:19:38 sigh 21:19:56 also, adding insult to injury, boots of spider still generate from & | 21:20:01 reminder of past mistakes... 21:20:12 i think accuracy is in there somewhere too 21:20:58 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:05 all removed unrands are, probably 21:21:09 ya 21:21:12 but accuracy is the best removed unrand. 21:21:23 yeah, some have an obsolete marker 21:21:25 also the really old removed unrands aren't, like armour of zin 21:21:27 I guess that's from the artp 21:21:29 i think that one's old enough 21:21:38 or ego, rather 21:22:05 so yeah I see the knife but no special obsolete marker; must be a thing for egos (which are basically brands on armour) 21:22:33 time for round 3 of gammafunk vs. sdl 21:23:20 what's a good way to describe "middle distance"? as in "smell nearby", "smell x", "smell distant" 21:23:38 around? 21:23:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:10 what does middle distance mean in this context? 21:24:13 could just not have a modifier 21:24:24 species mutation description 21:24:27 you smell a goblin nearby. you smell a goblin. you smell a goblin in the distance 21:24:33 hrm 21:24:47 oh I see 21:24:48 to emphasize being able to smell from a further distance than close/nearby 21:24:50 you can smell [nearby/ /distant] enemies 21:24:52 hrm 21:24:55 not sure 21:25:32 I'm currently using "...from further away", but it seems awkward 21:25:34 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:31 I could go "close", "distant", "far away", maybe 21:26:43 agh 21:26:55 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:58 please don't try to use "distant" and "far away" as an ordering 21:27:05 "distant" and "very distant", if you must 21:27:05 agree 21:27:21 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:25 can you actually smell anything further than you could see normally 21:27:38 i'd go very close and close 21:28:01 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:28:08 you need a meter 21:28:13 a metric, if you will 21:28:19 you can smell monsters X tiles away 21:28:21 you smell a kobold two chokos away 21:28:44 I know that antenna doesn't actually state distance, so I'm trying to keep the same formatting rules 21:28:58 what does this ability actually do (I'm afraid to ask) 21:29:02 smelling, I mean 21:29:19 what happens when I smell 21:29:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:27 detect items and monsters, but I may cut the monster part 21:29:38 well you can go the obtuse route and describe the sense of smell instead of the distance 21:29:44 you have a good/very good/uncanny sense of smell 21:29:52 that sounds catchy 21:29:58 Floodkiller: how is this indicated, through the threat thingies? 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