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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:23:38 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:04 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:34:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35:00 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36:37 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:14 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:49:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:49:54 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:25 -!- lupus83 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:52:43 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:50 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:08:03 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:53 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:12:49 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-435-gf4ea4dd (34) 03:21:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:23:06 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:01 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:45:50 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:48 !messages 03:47:49 No messages for SteelNeuron. 03:52:14 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:58 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:04 -!- Yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:56:54 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:59:35 !tell MarvinPA took out the dragon palm ability too. It's superfluous, to be honest. 03:59:36 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:05 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:44 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 04:11:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:16:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:28:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:29:37 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:32 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:46:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:51:41 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:55:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16:48 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 05:20:36 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Client Quit] 05:23:02 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:28:38 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:36:06 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:38:10 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:38:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:25 high quality wordpress today 05:47:30 "Why remove things, just because they’re not quite unique enough/played enough/your style enough? I never got to play as an Ent, and I wish I could have." 05:47:42 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 05:48:49 sadly it looks like the ent page on the chaosforge wiki did finally get deleted, rip 05:50:41 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:51:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:52:03 -!- Hampooj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:01:20 I was wondering if HE could be reworked into the high apt, low stats idea that some people have been throwing around in the forums 06:01:47 it makes sense thematically I guess, not sure if the concept itself has much value 06:01:53 what effect does "high apt low stats" have 06:02:08 it seems like those two things sort of cancel each other out 06:03:57 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:06:08 I guess it does 06:06:16 Well 06:06:28 how about 06:06:36 excellent stats AND apts 06:06:39 you can be a heavy armor hybrid with high stats low apts 06:06:46 but not with the opposite 06:06:48 i don't think there's a species like that 06:07:17 I always imagined that's what demigod should be, it always confused me as a new players that demigods would be... slow at learning things 06:07:23 s/players/player 06:08:45 has an extra LOS species ever been considered? 06:08:52 it's obviously a drawback 06:08:59 but it could be a fun one for HE 06:09:46 well, extending LoS is... not really possible 06:09:47 +2 LOS, good stats and apts. Chance to snipe from further back, but gets seen from miles too 06:09:54 Is it not? shame 06:10:06 actually i guess now that squarelos exists you could extend it by 1 06:10:42 but los of 8 is the biggest that can possibly fit in a console window 06:10:48 and normal los is 7 so 06:11:22 Hm 06:11:37 I wonder if +1 to LOS would be transformative enough to be worth using as a mechanic 06:16:43 I'm not a console player, but I'm looking at screens and isn't the console window 10 tiles wide? 06:20:13 it's the vertical distance that's the problem 06:20:47 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/rune.png 06:20:57 8 tiles above and below 06:21:00 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:23:48 duh, that makes sense :) 06:24:44 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:30:03 -!- demok has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30:54 -!- demok has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:36 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:55:43 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- Napkin has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- kramin has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- zkyp has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- Jorgrell has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- vible has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- Finwe has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:43 -!- endou has quit [*.net *.split] 06:55:52 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:54 -!- Napkin has quit [Changing host] 06:55:54 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:07 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:08 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:46 -!- pythonsnake is now known as Guest24427 06:56:51 -!- Jorgrell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:18:51 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:53:48 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:53:59 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:30 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:05:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:53 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:25:18 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:26:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:07 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:28:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:38:49 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:31 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Would it be possible to update the description of the council god experimental branch? It has received a major rework, and I'd like to flag that to testers 12:11:33 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 12:11:55 !tell johnstein something like "Council God (new weaponless revision)" 12:11:56 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 12:13:07 -!- osune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:30 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-549-gd61387b: Remove weapon spawning and swapping mechanics 10(28 hours ago, 21 files, 37+ 895-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d61387bfabe6 12:15:30 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-550-g0c58ac4: Rework passive order 10(27 hours ago, 11 files, 88+ 115-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c58ac4abb9c 12:15:30 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-551-g4a35330: Removals and acrobatic distraction 10(26 hours ago, 14 files, 47+ 39858-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a353308eb30 12:15:30 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-552-gb159f63: Rework weapon projection 10(53 minutes ago, 27 files, 153+ 100-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b159f6346576 12:15:30 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-553-g3e3015a: Implement heavenly blade 10(in the future, 18 files, 270251+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e3015a5c99f 12:15:44 also if any dev reading this can ??rebuild councilgod-PR that'd be great :) 12:20:17 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:27:27 that sure is a lot of +/- lines, i assume something is not quite right there 12:27:54 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:02 oh, looks like your ctags file got pushed somehow 12:28:41 weird, i thought that was in the default gitignore 12:28:42 eeek 12:28:55 sorry, amending 12:29:30 looks like it must've accidentally been pushed a while ago, since it's removed in 4a35330 and then added again in 3e3015a 12:29:43 Hm... strange indeed. I just pushed a commit removing it 12:30:58 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-554-gbf3359a: Remove tags file 10(in the future, 1 file, 0+ 270108-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf3359ac4ef0 12:32:24 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:32:44 in the future, 1 file, 0+ 270108-) 12:33:00 i'm pretty sure these commits are just being generated by !remove 12:33:56 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:19 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:15 heh 12:37:34 MarvinPA: TAGS is in gitignore but tags isn't, i suspect 12:38:15 it is 12:38:44 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:40:09 MarvinPA: ah. the issue is the tags file was created at the root of the repo, but the .gitignore is in crawl-ref, not the root 12:40:28 aha 12:41:39 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:23 wow i just discovered extremely good trivia 12:42:43 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:43:02 when monster formicids had innate digging, they took extra time to burrow (because player/monster symmetry of course), but: only if you could hear them digging 12:43:06 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:27 pubby... 12:49:05 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-436-g2f2b14e: Don't let monsters zap wands while confused (#10876) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f2b14e4cc60 12:49:05 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-437-g18e6404: Remove some obsolete monster formicid handling 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18e6404de718 12:49:31 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-554-gbf3359a 12:57:15 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:59:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-438-g3bc703b: Fix monsters casting pain at immune targets (#10875) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3bc703b0ec7a 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:05 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:08:10 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:23 !seen dpeg 13:08:23 I last saw dpeg at Wed Jan 4 03:26:49 2017 UTC (1d 14h 41m 34s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 13:09:24 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-438-g3bc703b (34) 13:16:32 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:33:40 -!- suboptimal has quit [Client Quit] 13:39:26 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:39:41 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:17 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:23 ??large rock 13:56:24 large rock[1/2]: (throwing; 20 dam / base delay 2.0 / 0.7 min delay). A very large and very heavy stone. Only large creatures are capable of throwing it. 13:56:30 oh, someone removed the aum thing 13:56:31 sad! 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:24 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:03:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:47 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:26 -!- shmup_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:13:39 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:48 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:40:14 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:43:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:44:15 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:44:57 -!- asdfffffffff has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:49 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:26 -!- tv1990 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:54:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:50 ??council God 14:59:50 johnstein: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:59:50 council god[1/1]: New experimental playable on CBRO. Tavern thread: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21725 Github PR: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:37 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:05:19 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:08:50 -!- cait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:14:24 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 15:22:03 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:01 Feedback from DDEE (ash, stab, earth, necro) play: 15:32:43 I'm okay with sandblast changes, the healing ability, still rather play a formicid - but that's just me and my habit of resting 15:34:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:35:05 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:40 -!- dextar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40:24 LordSloth: ~m5:You finish resting. 15:41:10 deep dwarf pro tips 15:41:28 Going into unexplored territory with less than 100% health is psychologically ... something 15:42:17 !lg * recent dd won urune<=5 s=god% 15:42:20 392 games for * (recent dd won urune<=5): 235x Makhleb (59.95%), 54x Pakellas (13.78%), 51x Trog (13.01%), 26x Gozag (6.63%), 10x Ru (2.55%), 3x Elyvilon (0.77%), 2x Qazlal (0.51%), (0.26%), Xom (0.26%), Vehumet (0.26%), Hepliaklqana (0.26%), The Shining One (0.26%), Okawaru (0.26%), Lugonu (0.26%), Jiyva (0.26%), Cheibriados (0.26%), Ashenzari (0.26%), Yredelemnul (0.26%) 15:42:56 I've formed enough habits I'm more comfortable with formicids, and happy enough playing them 15:43:03 oh, had not even considered 15:43:05 dd^G 15:43:21 wonder how DD^ru is 15:43:25 I imagine pretty decent 15:43:55 Someone else got an ash one? 15:44:11 yeah, there should be more fun combos thanmy current one 15:44:28 I went in not expecting to play seriously, but got hooked by some floorgod luck 15:44:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-439-g81164ae: Fix special-case brand appearances (10878) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81164aed5701 15:44:40 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44:57 I mostly intended to check out ee/dd changes on a shallow level 15:46:03 I'm getting a huge amount more mileage out of sandblast - the tedium factor 15:46:09 And ash friendly, too 15:46:33 yeah 15:46:35 ??gammfunk[3 15:46:35 gammfunk ~ gammafunk[3/6]: greateroneandwon chars: DEEE DgAs FeFE FoSk HaWr HOWn MfAM MuWz OgAE OpVM TeAK 15:46:43 I will be trying DEEE at some point 15:47:11 I'm sure twitch chat will vote for FoSk and FeFE and MuWz long before that, though 15:47:13 gammafunk: I have a dd^ru offline, it's pretty smooth so far 15:47:13 CanOfWorms: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:47:19 !messages 15:47:19 (1/1) Pleasingfungus said (1d 4h 55m 44s ago): if "thanks, obama" is the worst meme invoked by the name, i think that's a success 15:47:30 CanOfWorms: yeah, I think I've heard others doing that before the changes 15:47:38 good to hear that it's still viable with the heal change 15:48:35 the drain cost from draw out power is low enough that I don't stay in the drain zone for too long 15:48:52 don't go the the Drain Zone 15:48:56 worst Sonic level 15:49:20 The rods->wands also seem to be an indirect buff to Gozag, Zin, and Ash. For hunger/wield reasons 15:49:32 CanOfWorms: sorry, but rip KoEE, turns out I had oneandwon KoMo 15:49:37 ash buff, sure 15:49:40 but how zin? 15:49:49 well de also has decent stab apts 15:50:01 stabbing... 15:50:03 Early on, his ban on eating sentient corpses is troublesome 15:50:19 and rod hunger was pretty big, with mostly level six spells contained within 15:50:22 I'm not going to lie, my offline copy of 0.19 is nothing but EE games 15:50:34 I have quite a few ongoing EEs 15:50:43 !lg CanOfWorms won s=cls% 15:50:44 34 games for CanOfWorms (won): 6x Berserker (17.65%), 4x Assassin (11.76%), 3x Monk (8.82%), 3x Gladiator (8.82%), 2x Abyssal Knight (5.88%), 2x Hunter (5.88%), 2x Warper (5.88%), 2x Earth Elementalist (5.88%), 2x Fighter (5.88%), 2x Enchanter (5.88%), Air Elementalist (2.94%), Conjurer (2.94%), Necromancer (2.94%), Fire Elementalist (2.94%), Summoner (2.94%), Wanderer (2.94%) 15:50:46 including the weird CeEE that has 0 skills and a MfEE 15:51:10 yeah, rod hunger could be pretty nasty 15:51:15 LordSloth: hrm, i don't think i've ever had real hunger issues with zin 15:52:17 I have weird formicid venom mages of zin, and hunger issues 15:52:30 Spellcasting and early rods both 15:52:41 mages of zin aren't super fun due to hunger, I found; manageable, but you regret going zin 15:52:52 Pretty much exactly that 15:53:09 stabbers are ok though, since their hexes tend to not be so hunger intensive 15:53:51 and skald and other warrior-mages would be fine 15:55:08 I think my FoSk might end up being zin 15:55:15 !lg . fo won s=god 15:55:16 2 games for gammafunk (fo won): Lugonu, Yredelemnul 15:55:19 oh, good 15:57:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:30 hrm, can Fo use 3xbow with a shield? 15:59:10 they should 15:59:14 be able to 15:59:41 yes 15:59:55 wow...the pubby run...it could happen to me 16:00:10 -!- vermi is now known as vermifax 16:00:10 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:51 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:02:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06:00 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:09:20 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-439-g81164ae (34) 16:12:17 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:09 gammafunk: IIRC rchandra enjoyed DD^Ru 16:22:23 Lasty_: I think that might have been who I was remembering, yeah 16:22:26 but that was old DD 16:22:33 however apparently DD^Ru is still viable 16:22:52 I mean...if CanOfWorms can win it....must be OP 16:22:57 I should nerf it ASAP 16:24:32 So I'm thinking of changing Poisonous Cloud to a L2 spell. L2 Air/Poison, channeling, 2mp/turn, smite-targeted. Spawns a poisonous cloud under the target entity (or location) with odds of spawning more nearby based on spellpower. 16:24:57 "channeling" ? 16:25:01 like Ray 16:25:26 well for a L2 spell, making multiple pclouds ever seems 16:25:27 strong 16:25:30 Oh, and it would also go in the Young Poisoner's handbook. 16:25:37 I mean conf flame is L3 conj/fire, right 16:25:41 *conj flame 16:25:57 true, tho w/ conjure flame you can sustain the cloud while doing other things 16:26:06 this would require you to keep channeling to keep the cloud going 16:26:16 that's true, but the poison from a pcloud 16:26:25 lasts after the cloud...I guess cumulative damage is similar 16:26:57 Alternately, same idea but without actually generating clouds; just apply the poison directly, but in a way that's smite-targeted. 16:26:59 what's the channeling/ray aspect for, sustain the cloud? making more clouds like you said? 16:27:00 and channeled. 16:27:16 Yeah, the idea is that the clouds would disappear very quickly if you stop channeling 16:27:21 well I think cloud is nice from the standpoint of not duplicated effects of other low-level poison spells 16:27:26 like otr 16:27:44 not that this mandates it be wholy different or anything 16:27:49 Yeah 16:28:17 so sting does direct damage and applies poison, meph is a hex-like spell, otr directly applies poison in los 16:28:24 ??young poisoner's handbook 16:28:24 young poisoner's handbook[1/1]: Sting, Mephitic Cloud, Olgreb's Toxic Radiance, Alistair's Intoxication, Venom Bolt 16:28:36 then v. bolt is the upgrade of sting 16:29:28 My thought process is like this: 1) I think VM really needs an L2 spell; 2) that spell should probably poison things, and it makes sense for it to be more reliable than Sting but less reliable than OTR; 3) more reliable than Sting probably means removing the odds of missing; 4) channeling is underused and a good restriction for poison, since it makes kiting harder; 5) pCloud really doesn't have a portfolio right now 16:29:32 you want it to generate a cloud under the target..that's pretty strong since if you can block the target's movement you'll guarantee application 16:29:52 Upgrade venom bolt to leave behind very short duration pclouds? 16:29:55 Whether or not you block them you guarantee application, because they check cloud before they move 16:30:37 well for 5) pcloud is just really strong, certainly it has all sorts of use, but maybe I'd say it just feels so similar to fcloud (and people not otherwise specialized in either school probably choose fcloud) 16:30:44 yeah, exactly 16:30:55 pcloud's damage is pretty nuts, isn't it? it seems like a single turn in a pcloud will kill anything in like mid D 16:31:05 even if you have to kite a while for it to all soak in 16:31:09 yeah 16:31:14 amalloy: unless it breaks poison rules, it does max 4 damage/turn 16:31:24 someone did the math once 16:31:28 and the odds of that decaying to 3 aren't different from other poison sources 16:31:43 Lasty_: perhaps the monster loses 4 hp/turn, but the cloud adds more than 4 damage to its poison pool per turn, right? 16:31:46 it does quite a lot less damage than fcloud, even counting the damage over time 16:31:54 of course, fcloud is a strong spell 16:32:22 amalloy: IIRC, poison has a timer and a degree; the timer determines the length of application and the degree the amount of damage. The degree maxes at 4, and there's no concept of overage. 16:32:57 And the decay rate is AFAIK constant, so you have no way to keep the monster at 4 except to keep applying more poison. 16:33:26 i think the degree might be the only relevant part. i'm not sure a timer is relevant 16:33:32 I could be wrong re: timer 16:33:37 i don't recall 16:33:44 that's the part my memory isn't clear on 16:33:46 something like damage that cflame can do while possibly adding movement restrictions could certainly work as a profile for this new spell 16:34:17 but I'm a bit concerned by the target level of 2 16:34:18 gammafunk: That's what I'm thinking. I also like the idea of pushing Poison Magic a little more towards Air as a companion school 16:34:39 seems like that's more chosen because of the book/start profile rather than for actual balance, which ends up being a problem 16:35:00 Lasty_: yeah, but those companions spells are better when their level doesn't get too low 16:35:21 I mean 3 is still very low anyhow 16:35:27 what if we had a level 3 poison spell that was also crossed with air 16:35:33 and it made clouds 16:35:39 :p 16:35:45 so i just played around in wizmode and it looks like 3-4 turns in a pcloud kills an ogre 16:35:47 gammafunk: I definitely was trying to design an L2 spell, but I think I succeeded, more or less. Perhaps the cloud generation odds could be entirely based on spellpower, so you aren't guaranteed to drop a cloud under the target if your spellpower is low. 16:35:55 ogre is early d 16:35:58 yes 16:35:58 imo 16:36:14 ok 16:36:14 amalloy: same thing happens if you hit it with 2 old-style poison needles or 2-3 good Stings 16:36:14 i'm offering evidence that i overestimated pcloud damage 16:36:19 that's very big of you. 16:36:27 as big as an ogre? 16:36:30 impossible 16:36:39 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:58 The only thing that makes Sting not already do pcloud damage is 1) it isn't guaranteed to raise the poison degree or hit at all, and 2) it's single-target. This erases 1) while mostly (or entirely) keeping 2) 16:37:27 what does "this" refer to here? 16:37:33 "this spell I proposed" 16:38:22 hrm, maybe I don't understand how this spell would miss 16:38:28 it places a cloud under the target? 16:38:29 it wouldn't 16:38:40 If we take out the clouds, you could also have the spell raise the degree slower than pcloud would. 16:38:48 oh ok you want to eliminate 1), I see 16:39:00 well I do like the cloud thing 16:39:03 I do too 16:39:08 I don't think it's too crazy 16:39:13 meph is a 3x3 cloud that does little direct damage, mostly applies a hex 16:39:23 against monsters meph does no damage IIRC 16:39:33 so it doesn't feel too similar to meph, and it's fine if poison has more of a cloud reputation (clan name alert) 16:39:34 I'm pretty sure it only damages players 16:40:18 yeah I couldn't remember, it damaging things is somewhat silly, but damaging the player is easilly forgiven 16:40:44 yeah; that part is basically just to make people not hang out in it forever swinging confused at swamp drakes 16:40:48 but it only kinda does that 16:41:01 the damage is so tiny 16:41:40 monster meph cloud is different in a number of ways, isn't it? it's the same zap as drac meph breath, not as the spell 16:41:53 but the clouds it creates are the same, aren't they? 16:42:06 I'm pretty sure we don't have CLOUD_MONSTER_MEPHITIC or something 16:42:16 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:16 yes, they are the same clouds 16:42:34 but the beam does damage, and places clouds in different places 16:42:44 So I haven't had a chance to actually try out the dpeg's dynamic monsters branch yet. Anyone else take a look? 16:42:50 amalloy: true 16:43:08 no, I'm not sure what the branch does, still haven't replied to your email (or done about a hundred other things) 16:43:13 *haven't tried since testing, that is 16:43:29 !!! 16:43:35 in other news map placement code is amazing and back to saturn X E1 is a pretty great Doom WAD 16:43:36 You're falling behind!!! 16:43:39 so make of that what you will 16:43:42 yeah you said it 16:43:49 Map placement code? 16:43:50 gonna rant about that my next stream 16:43:57 i don't think searing ray-style channeling is a good thing to re-use 16:44:08 I have to pour through it to understand it for what I've been tinkering with, yeah 16:44:11 re whatever this new spell proposal is 16:44:17 MarvinPA: tell me more 16:44:20 I certainly don't understand searing ray channel very well 16:44:26 specifically it would be a good thing to get rid of entirely 16:44:42 MarvinPA: as in, it's hacky, or unintuitive, or problematic in another way? 16:44:52 very unintuitive 16:45:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:55 it turns "wait" into a whole different command under certain circumstances, i think manticore barbs are also not great for the same reason 16:46:12 gammafunk: *pore through 16:46:32 omg 16:46:32 lol 16:46:39 MarvinPA: would it be better to have it be "anything other than moving" 16:46:40 also i was wrong, it's *pore over 16:46:43 (and that's why i argued against using that mechanic for froghop recharge, i think the current implementation where just not moving lets it count down is better there) 16:46:46 i apologize 16:46:49 ontoclasm: yeah, exactly 16:46:55 MarvinPA: true. I do really like the design space of "spell that gets better the more time you put into it" tho 16:47:09 amalloy literally just pmed me to correct the same thing, I get no respect in this channel 16:47:10 ontoclasm: although i don't think balance-wise that'd be good for searing ray in particular 16:47:12 lmao 16:47:14 amalloy: o/ 16:47:20 oh, searing ray 16:47:26 sorry, i missed the first part of the conversation 16:47:28 for manticore barbs though yeah, definitely 16:47:35 the other weird thing about channeling is that it makes 5 behave differently from . 16:47:38 ontoclasm/MarvinPA: I'd be fine w/ having it be a status that movement and attacking and casting would interrupt. 16:47:46 also, amalloy, i started playing shenzhen i/o since people kept saying it was like my game. you should add me on steam so we can compete 16:48:19 i always thought searing ray should be "it gets stronger the more times you cast it in a row" 16:48:39 ontoclasm: that might be the best way to do it 16:48:43 ontoclasm: i actually thought it was that way for a while, as a new player 16:48:55 zb.zb.zb. why is this eating up all my MP for shit damage 16:48:55 amalloy: I'm pretty sure you're not the first 16:48:55 yeah me too 16:49:26 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:27 dpeg: An idea I had while playing this FoCj: when casting Searing Ray, we should (1) print "(press . to stand still and keep firing)" somewhere, (b) we should indicate the beam path for each shot (this also hints at further shots), and (c) the HUD's "Ray" should become "Ray", "Ray+", "Ray++", "Ray+++". 16:49:30 i've been meaning to make it work like that but maybe with a custom targeter so that you can't just re-aim it on consecutive moves (or can only adjust the aim slightly or something) 16:49:43 yeah, i'd like that 16:49:59 MarvinPA: btw, do wands all currently use a beam targeter, or are some (wand of clouds) using a shotgun targeter now? 16:51:00 clouds and scattershot still use shotgun targeting 16:51:12 nice 16:51:41 That opens the door for me to relatively easily add in my digging -> destruction plan. <.< >.> 16:52:02 yeah, previously there was no support for wands that didn't just use a zap 16:52:10 now they can just use any spell along with its associated targeter 16:52:24 Yeah, I looked into that and it took a lot of refactoring 16:52:27 nice 16:52:37 Thanks for doing that 16:53:43 np, it turned out a lot easier than i'd expected it to be luckily 16:54:00 Oh, nice. I should look that patch over. 16:54:05 I'd probably learn a lot. 16:55:53 Re: dpeg's dynamic monsters (aka replacing randomized energy w/ a monster permabuff after the monster tracks you long enough), we should probably test that in a branch, right? I'm really tempted to push it to trunk to get more feedback, but I know we've mostly been conservative about big trunk changes. 16:55:56 Whatta ya all think? 16:56:26 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:39 where's the compare feature in github? 16:59:45 wanted to look at the list 16:59:48 in the branch 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:02 I'm not sure, but the commits are: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74f087c9ab73966f350ae5284155cd74d6b69752, https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42602f2dca9d5e310a2d5ea8faaf83fe7d856ce8, https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b54fec0c83eed083cd0df3876b232afb92c7ac71 17:01:27 found it 17:01:33 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/master...dpegs_dynamic_monsters 17:01:41 apparently I have to add /compare to the url 17:01:43 couldn't find a link 17:01:46 ah, nice 17:02:46 hrm, well this has a non-zero chance of 'bezotting' after even one turn of tracking, no? 17:02:47 gammafunk: start at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/branches 17:03:00 (linked to from the repo main page as Branches) 17:03:06 gammafunk: yeah, I didn't want there to be a magic number 17:03:18 Lasty_: well that's going to end up being kind of silly though 17:03:35 so if it turn scary on the first turn of tracking, the feature isn't really working properly 17:03:42 I wasn't luring 17:03:54 gammafunk: IIRC dpeg was fine w/ that. I could be misremembering. 17:04:19 it definitely seems like something that should be tested in an experimental first, yeah 17:04:35 seems like there'd be a fair amount of potential problems with it 17:04:41 yeah, experimental is a good profile for this, now that you mention it 17:04:50 it will be somewhat broken at first, almost certainly 17:05:11 a bit of a motivation issue for players playing it 17:05:20 !tell johnstein hey, wanna host the dpegs_dynamic_monsters branch on CBRO? It's testing a luring solution where monsters that have been tracking the player have a chance to become permanently more buff. 17:05:21 Lasty_: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 17:06:03 I definitely think it's gonna take tuning 17:06:06 i guess it's also not something that'd be likely to get especially productive feedback in the way that things like gods/species would 17:06:18 Which is why I kind of want to test it in trunk. 17:06:19 yeah. 17:06:54 But it's really a question of trunk philosophy and how tuned things have to be before it's okay to subject trunk players to them 17:07:34 the current chance is tracking_turns / (tracking_turns + 2000) ? 17:07:39 yeah 17:08:04 The idea being that there's no magic number where it becomes possible to happen or becomes guaranteed to happen. 17:08:09 i think it's probably still better to try it separately first, it seems like something that needs figuring out if it's even workable first 17:08:14 !calc 20 / (20 + 2000.0) * 100 17:08:15 0.99 17:08:17 before getting to the point of tuning specifics 17:08:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[frogs] * 0.20-a0-440-g1a30b92: New race: Barachians 10(2 weeks ago, 19 files, 279+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a30b92d9c8e 17:08:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[frogs] * 0.20-a0-441-g89e74e4: Add a barachian dummy monster 10(31 minutes ago, 4 files, 21+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89e74e433697 17:08:50 MarvinPA: workable in the sense of a fun thing to have happen and/or a thing that solves the problem it's aiming for? 17:08:51 stealing my abbreviation! 17:09:12 last call for objections, i think 17:09:13 whether it solves the problem without introducing new, bigger problems 17:09:14 Lasty_: probably a bit of both, since it may not be super clear at first 17:09:23 re the critical issue of frog names 17:09:43 Pleasingfungus: y no shrike? 17:09:59 hm, i'm hearing a 'merge frogs immediately' from the audience 17:10:13 so with 20 turns of tracking you have a ~ 1% chance of getting a scarier monster each turn 17:10:18 Pleasingfungus: imo borachian 17:10:24 more like 17:10:26 bore-achian 17:10:36 well i was makinga borachio joke, not a boring joke 17:11:00 my gut feeling on frogs (and this is not any kind of outright objection) is that they're still kind of lacking something 17:11:01 Boraccio? 17:11:42 i didn't say it was a good joke 17:11:47 i just like the idea of drunk frogs 17:12:00 mostly in terms of motivating players to accept the slowness/low stats thing, but I'm not sure what 17:12:02 I haven't tried frogs yet, but I got the sense that people haven't been enjoying them much. 17:12:06 That could be wrong. 17:12:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:12:15 huh, i haven't gotten that impression 17:12:18 good 17:12:32 I need to try them out and also hellcrawl 17:12:35 and dpeg's thing 17:12:42 hellcrawl....... 17:12:45 once the 'new thing' novelty wears off 17:12:51 And I've got a streak active, which I'm not eager to throw into hellcrawl :p 17:13:48 hellcrawl isn't tracked 17:13:55 oh, good 17:13:59 and if it were, it'd be on a different game, like sprint 17:14:07 I didn't think IJC was either, but apparently it is 17:14:16 but that makes more sense 17:14:17 yeah ijc is an experimental, but hellcrawl is an outright fork 17:14:22 yeah 17:15:53 getting behind on my 'new' species to try: ko ha og 17:16:33 I suppose I should do that too 17:16:35 what about dd? 17:16:38 that too! 17:16:48 . . . does Mu count as new? 17:16:54 yes! 17:16:59 ??gammafunk[3 17:16:59 gammafunk[3/6]: greateroneandwon chars: DEEE DgAs FeFE FoSk HaWr HOWn MfAM MuWz OgAE OpVM TeAK 17:17:03 that's the roadmap 17:17:17 Greateroneandwon? 17:17:41 !greateroneandwon Lasty_ 17:17:43 One-and-woning one of each background and specices? 17:17:44 !greateroneandwon Lasty 17:17:47 yes 17:17:47 -c 17:17:54 non-oneandwon roles for Lasty_: Fighter, Wanderer, Abyssal Knight, Chaos Knight, Venom Mage 17:17:59 get to work!!!!!! 17:18:05 Lasty_: for the zottening thing, it seems at 1% per turn like it is now might be ok...the thing I'm a bit worried about is the effectiveness of the buff 17:18:07 non-oneandwon roles for Lasty: Fighter, Wanderer, Abyssal Knight, Chaos Knight, Venom Mage 17:18:30 I mean, you are adding 2 move speed 17:18:48 *2 action speed 17:18:48 and 36% damage 17:18:55 hrm, how is that done, let me look again 17:18:58 Well, I suppose that's assuming 10 AUT 17:19:15