00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:49 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-433-g9e36e56 (34) 00:08:39 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:11:17 ??rebuid 00:11:17 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:11:17 rebuid ~ rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:11:52 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:25 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:20 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:01 -!- Hypno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25:30 Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1986-g7ebc489 00:29:04 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:46 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 00:46:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:06 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:04 did the lair branch entry vaults get new monster sets? 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:57 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04:41 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:50 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:05 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:20:02 they were tinkered with a bit 01:20:15 but nothing major 01:23:10 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:23 -!- Mewster has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:03 hiya 01:31:37 is there a environment setup guide to take a look to dcss's code? 01:31:48 I mean, not the basic guide about installing git etc etc 01:32:12 but something about recomended visual plugins or things to adjust the environment? 01:32:46 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:28 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:42 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:42:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:42:21 Mewster: it sort of depends on how you mean by adjust the environment 01:42:30 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:37 docs/develop have some guides on setting up certain things 01:43:21 not for 'modern' IDEs, but things like ctags and pre-commit scripts for git 01:44:07 you'd have to be a bit more specific as to what you're looking for 01:44:24 ok, let me have breakfast then I'll explain myself better :P 01:48:34 What I mean is, for example, if there is some plugin that manages automatically the code conventions, or some dcss-specific tool that helps during the code or the debug of the game 01:49:01 stuff like that, not directly needed to develop but that helps 01:53:06 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:43 there are a couple things 01:53:58 in util there are scripts checkwhite and unbrace that many of us run as pre-commit scripts 01:54:39 they strip out unwanted whitespace at ends of line and fix other spacing errors (checkwhite) and also clean up or add braces for certain common occurances (unbrace) 01:54:54 those are code convention tools 01:55:11 we have a coding style, which you've probably seen, so that's a case of setting your editor accordingly 01:55:35 there's a vim script for formatting DES files (text format used to describe crawl's vault and layout) 01:56:13 for debugging, there are debug-lite builds (make debug-lite ; all my builds are this) and full debug builds (make debug) 01:56:31 full debug builds are usually overkill 01:56:37 are they? 01:56:48 I mean, I'm used to 15+min compilation time 01:56:49 yes, they spam a lot of messages while playing 01:56:56 Oh you mean ingame 01:56:57 okok 01:57:18 it's not compilation, it makes the game less usable, but for some kinds of debugging it's helpful to see a lot of extra detail 01:57:42 debug-lite lets you use gdb (debugging symbols) and makes certain other crawl modes available if you compile them in (mapstat and objstat) 01:57:53 Debug-lite builds aren't optimized, are they? 01:57:56 latter two are pretty specific tools 01:58:15 I actually forget what the optimization is for debug-lite 01:58:27 we don't care super a lot, since these are local builds for testing things, for us 01:58:36 and crawl is just not a cpu/memory intensive game 01:58:53 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:59 (unrelated; is the sln compatible with vs2015?) 01:59:57 we support gcc through msys2 or cygwin on windows; there is some msvc support but it's basically unmaintained 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:15 not sure if it's in a working state, since our windows devs are using msys2 (or just linux in a VM) 02:00:35 msys2 + gcc does work well, but you have to work in that environment, of course 02:00:57 *grumple* 02:01:38 you could try it, I think |amethyst tried to work with someone recently to get it into a better state, not sure if he knows much about it 02:01:57 I'm trying to launch the Contribs sln, but it doesn't load 02:02:51 oh well... I'll start from here 02:02:53 Thanks 02:03:24 I can help a little with windows, but mostly from the msys2 side of things 02:03:37 if you make any fixes we can certainly merge those, of course 02:03:41 sure 02:04:00 and I can probably test them in my win10 VM; don't actually have msvc installed though 02:04:05 probably there's a free version I can use 02:04:44 we also support compilation with clang, but not sure if that's avail on windows; mostly for people on OS X 02:05:45 uhm, following the install.txt I git-pulled crawl 02:05:52 but inside source/contrib the various folders are empty 02:06:22 while in github they are (links?) to existing folder 02:06:37 *folders 02:06:49 Mewster: see the section about obtaining the source where it has you checkout the contribs as submodules 02:06:57 oh ok 02:07:02 they are each in their own repo as a submodule 02:08:20 Ohh i don't know how I missed that 02:08:33 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 02:13:42 Is the sdl2-mixed contrib actually used? It has no reference in the contribs.sln 02:16:27 LostInTranslocation (L21 DECj) (Depths:4) 02:17:53 um 02:18:08 i ran into a vault on d:15 with an ocs and a couple crystal guardians 02:18:14 that has a lightning rod that shouldn't be there 02:21:00 hahaha 02:21:07 can't wield it but i can evoke it from inventory 02:21:58 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:55 hm 02:23:25 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:08 rods are gon, ProzacElf. 02:25:11 they're *dead* 02:25:14 *gone 02:25:17 -!- concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 02:25:19 yes 02:25:23 (it's now an XP-evocable) 02:25:27 that's what i mean by it shouldn't be there 02:25:30 oh? 02:25:45 i see 02:25:45 %git :/[Ll]ightning 02:25:45 07CanOfWorms02 * 0.20-a0-433-g9e36e56: Lightning rod tiles 10(9 hours ago, 4 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e36e56b77db 02:25:59 !gitgrep 2 [Ll]ightning 02:25:59 %git HEAD^{/[Ll]ightning}^^{/[Ll]ightning} 02:25:59 07MarvinPA02 * 0.20-a0-424-g5132bad: Adjust description for lightning rods becoming inert 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5132bada0b00 02:26:07 yeah, anyhow that's what happened 02:26:10 !gitgrep 3 [Ll]ightning 02:26:11 %git HEAD^{/[Ll]ightning}^^{/[Ll]ightning}^^{/[Ll]ightning} 02:26:11 07MarvinPA02 * 0.20-a0-415-g716b500: Replace discs of storms with lightning rods 10(2 weeks ago, 38 files, 101+ 152-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/716b500fed39 02:26:19 also disc is gone 02:27:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:14 i see 02:28:26 good, nothing compiles on vs2015 :D 02:29:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:31:27 it's a clean slate! 02:32:15 zlib says it doesn't find gzio.c 02:32:25 and in effect, there is none 02:33:51 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:18 hrm, not sure if that project file is just out of date, or what 02:34:51 I see gzio.c listed in the project file, but yeah it doesn't exist (and zlib compiles fine as a contrib on msys/cygwin/linux) 02:35:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35:36 ok, I'll clean the vcprojs 02:41:48 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:49:56 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:31 -!- lion_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:05:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:03 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 03:07:16 ...maybe not. 03:13:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:14:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-433-g9e36e56 (34) 03:16:41 -!- lupus83 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:23:54 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:26:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:58 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:34:44 -!- Danei[notDanei] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:38:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:39:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:09 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:26 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:52 After removing boots of flight I got temporary flight. 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Use !messages to read it. 11:30:08 !source acquire.cc 11:30:08 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc 11:30:23 hm 11:30:35 are multiple lightning rods useful, or does using up one's charges also use up the others'? 11:33:44 Pleasingfungus: they seem to be the same as other xp evokers 11:34:09 well, other xp evokers don't have multiple charges :P 11:34:13 -!- knu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:54 the logic for determining whether it can be used seems to be the same to me. see evoker_is_charged, used by the MISC_LIGHTNING_ROD case in evoke_item. notably it doesn't refer to the specific item itself, only the item type and you.props["thunderbolt_charge"] 11:38:20 the code for displaying charges on a lightning rod also seems to just look at you.props["thunderbolt_charge"] 11:38:44 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:40:26 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:35 interestingly it looks like if a monster were to empty a lightning rod against you (can they even use it?), the lightning rod would be fully charged when you pick it up, because chargedness of lightning rods is a property of the user, not the rod 11:42:26 multiples aren't useful, and monsters can't use them 11:42:34 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:37 OK 11:44:24 was just checking, because the multiple charge thing made me wonder about multiples, which made me wonder about the acquirement logic. 11:44:36 gaze not into the abyss 11:52:05 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:53:07 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:54:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:58 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:02:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:57 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-433-g9e36e56 (34) 12:11:18 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:11:18 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:39 -!- dondy1 is now known as dondy 12:24:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:49 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:59 -!- gdspd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:28:09 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:31:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:01 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:34:50 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:55 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:35:59 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 12:38:58 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:52 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:40 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:53 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:02:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:20:05 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:21:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:26 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:26:30 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:27:29 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:30:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:59 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:44 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:39 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:54:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:32 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:02 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:12:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:50 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:21:19 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:21:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:26:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:35:25 -!- geekosaur has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 14:53:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:54:52 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:14 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:23 !messages 15:01:23 No messages for SteelNeuron. 15:01:26 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02:02 Any devs around? Specially those critical of the council god's complexity 15:02:11 I'm considering a very radical simplification and I'd love your input :) 15:02:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:51 specially Lasty since you've been playing it recently 15:03:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:12 radical simplifications are always good 15:07:43 I've come to agree that IJC could benefit from one, but I'm wondering if what I'm thinking is the right direction 15:08:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:03 need some dev input to confirm that I'd be isolating the aspect that the game would benefit more from 15:08:06 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:51 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:12:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14:13 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:35 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:45 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:15:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:58 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18:05 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:36 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:26 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:26:08 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:27 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:27:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:11 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:29:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:30:59 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:36:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:48 SteelNeuron: sorry I haven't had time to review the branch, still something I want to get to 15:42:03 No worries gammafunk 15:42:26 I'm quite sure the changes I'm looking at right now will be positive though. I think I found a way to retain what makes the god fun and cutting half of the mechanics 15:42:35 pretty much literally half :) 15:43:41 I'll just post it on the tavern and see what people think 15:44:48 sounds good 15:44:52 someone asked about it in my stream 15:45:18 naturally I took credit for the god and all of DCSS in general 15:45:55 :P do you stream dcss? 15:46:00 I want in on that 15:46:06 ??gammafunk 15:46:06 gammafunk[1/6]: Crawl dev. Twitch: https://twitch.tv/gammafunk ; Youtube: https://goo.gl/9p8ZfD ; See {gammafunkrc} for rc code 15:46:38 (I said you were working on getting the god to a less complex state the dev team would like) 15:46:57 but a few people piped up to said they enjoyed it! 15:47:05 *to say 15:47:30 03argonaut02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/388 * 0.20-a0-15-g64bf5c2: Let the thermic engine evoke a small demonic horde with a HP cost. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 63+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64bf5c2f6a77 15:47:49 the what now 15:48:06 ok 15:48:17 when did crawl go steampunk and why was I not notified?! 15:50:32 neat! I will check out your stream :) are you on a schedule? 15:51:25 mostly evening (5-8pm central US) twice a week or so 15:51:28 so not much of one 15:51:34 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:51:53 I'm trying to alternate DCSS with cogmind, so dcss once a week 15:51:56 !lg . won 15:51:57 71. gammafunk the Slayer (L27 GrIE of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2017-01-03 02:11:30, with 1486219 points after 93086 turns and 10:55:45. 15:52:08 got that GrIE^PleasingFungus oneandwon 15:55:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:02 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:16:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:54 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:36:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:35 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:50 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:56 That's just as I sleep but oh well :) 16:50:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:54:15 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Client Quit] 16:54:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:17 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 16:56:29 -!- mroovka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:56:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:58 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:43 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:22 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:02:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 17:03:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:05 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 17:05:10 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 17:09:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:49 Alright, here's the writeup, in case anyone wants to take a look :) https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22735&p=303531#p303531 17:19:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:49 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:23:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:45 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:19 i want new and exciting rants 17:24:23 the ones we get these days are boring 17:24:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:35 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:54 SteelNeuron: reading the writeup, it's impressive! 17:27:54 dpeg: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:28:28 Pleasingfungus: one could think only old farts stop playing the game! What about young ones dropping the ball?!? 17:28:49 young ones are too busy thinking up Dank Memes 17:28:55 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:03 "remove food kek" <- young players, probably 17:29:31 what's a kek? (the German word "Keks" means biscuit) 17:30:07 it's 'lol', basically 17:30:13 @dpeg looking forward to your feedback then! 17:30:15 but... more 4chan? 17:30:35 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:31 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:41 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:33:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:22 -!- osune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:44 got to go now but I'll be reading any PMs or responses. Night! 17:35:44 -!- SteelNeuron has left ##crawl-dev 17:36:37 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:42:25 <|amethyst> more WoW I think 17:42:32 <|amethyst> or Korean 17:42:51 possible. i'm no expert! 17:46:26 <|amethyst> Problem with dehammerification: now people think that means Yiuf has killed a lot of mace-wielding adventurers, rather than just collecting maces: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5lui9x/ 17:46:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:48 heh 17:46:53 i'm fine with creative interpretation 17:49:01 interpretive dance 17:49:20 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:56 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:57:16 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:59 Can blowguns generate with plusses? 17:59:55 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:35 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: yes, but it seems to be quite rare 18:00:44 i vaguely thought that mpa had removed it 18:00:48 can't find the commit 18:02:23 <|amethyst> I just generated 108 blowguns (&%blowgun) and got one +3 and seven cursed 18:02:30 I thought it was just artifact blowguns that were removed 18:02:34 oh 18:02:36 that's probably what i was thinking of 18:02:45 when taking on IJC, the message was: "Sifu Ma Yunglu welcomes you!" -- left me puzzled for a little bit :) 18:02:50 heh 18:02:57 fun question: what are your odds of affecting Gastronok with a needle of confusion? 18:03:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:43 answer: "0%, unless you have at least 16 throwing skill" 18:03:45 -!- Uhlv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:04:34 would be nice to have some ui... 18:05:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 18:06:19 (27 throwing skill gives you about a 1/3 chance) 18:06:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:38 <|amethyst> @??gastronok 18:06:38 Gastronok (06w) | Spd: 5 | HD: 20 | HP: 121-167 | AC/EV: 3/1 | Dam: 40 | 10items, 10doors, amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 2225 | Sp: cantrip, airstrike (0-50), sum.small mammal, slow, sprint | Sz: Big | Int: human. 18:06:42 !source blowgun_chance 18:06:44 Can't find blowgun_chance. 18:06:46 hrm 18:06:50 !source ranged-attack.cc 18:06:51 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ranged-attack.cc 18:06:52 <|amethyst> !source blowgun_check 18:06:53 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ranged-attack.cc#L530 18:06:56 ty 18:07:15 check out 568-569, anyway 18:07:27 kek is more korean, i think. i heard it started with starcraft because the sound zerglings make can be approximated as kekekeke 18:07:39 but that is Not Authoritative 18:07:54 <|amethyst> amalloy: 'kek' is Korean for 'haha' 18:07:59 man 18:08:15 FR make my absurd folklore more true 18:08:25 since it is more fun than real life 18:09:20 <|amethyst> amalloy: and because of the popularity of Starcraft in Korean, Blizzard decided to make WoW "translate" "lol" to "kek" for the opposing team 18:09:59 <|amethyst> s/Korean/Korea/ 18:11:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:12:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 18:14:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:47 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 18:21:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:29 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest7252 18:30:37 sophia (L15 GrFi) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1978 failed. 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23:47:48 no one knows! 23:48:06 is it proprietary or is it something like C++? 23:48:18 (it's written mostly in C++, with a the web-client display front-end in javascript, the webtiles server in python) 23:48:29 but seriously, no one has any clue 23:48:31 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:32 ??source 23:48:32 source[1/4]: Browse the Git repository at https://github.com/crawl/crawl or http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git 23:48:39 the repo, if you dare 23:48:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:48 I dared once upon a time 23:48:53 I still don't know what I'm looking for 23:49:02 isn't that a quote from a U2 song? 23:49:11 almost, I guess 23:49:40 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49:59 like, I was looking to see how monsters get added to the game 23:50:11 There's nothing. 23:50:36 you're looking for a document or a howto? 23:50:43 both, honestly 23:50:56 yeah, those don't really exist 23:51:09 what would be best for you to read would really depend on your background, though 23:51:14 are you proficient in C++? 23:51:34 I'm proficient in failure 23:52:06 (no, I can't program worth a damn) 23:52:11 if you're looking for a game that's easy to mod through just editing e.g. some text files, then yeah dcss is not that game 23:52:35 you have to be able to write C++ on a basic level, compile it 23:52:45 hrm 23:52:51 you could certainly make a project of adding a monster to crawl 23:52:54 i thought someone wrote up a guide for that 23:52:56 brannock maybe 23:52:57 and learn programming through that process, though 23:53:09 psh, that's no barrier to entry. gammafunk can't program worth a damn either and he added a whole wizlab 23:53:11 yes 23:53:15 docs/develop/monster_creation.txt 23:53:22 wait the fuck 23:53:38 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/monster_creation.txt 23:53:40 I can program better than amalloy, who can't even add a decent vault FeelsBadMan 23:53:51 Taraiph: read that file ^ 23:54:04 Become pretty today! 23:54:07 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:08 my vault success rate is as high as your jump attack success rate 23:54:15 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:25 "if you add, for example, orcish warg riders, you do not need to add a new corpse entry." 23:54:34 this is gonna be TERRIBLY obsolete with my next revision of Orc 23:54:42 success is measured by features merged, doesn't count reverts 23:54:57 yeah, that's the thing about writing guides like that, however it's cool that Brannock started one 23:55:16 also i'm sorry that was a joke 23:55:18 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:24 i'm not adding warg riders 23:55:29 grunt would've... if he was still alive.... 23:55:31 well that's what i'm getting at. i had one vault merged 23:55:34 Taraiph: if you're really looking for 'low effort' stuff, adding a monster is maybe not the best task; you could consider making a vault 23:55:46 see docs/develop/levels for some descriptions there 23:55:56 gammafunk: my idea is probably the dumbest ever 23:56:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:12 am i allowed to trash a wordpress comment from user "trumptrain" featuring the phrase "keksimus maximus" 23:56:15 a mole that burrows up within a 2-3 tile radius of the player and attacks them. 23:56:17 asking for a friend 23:56:17 yes 23:56:17 if it's dumb, add it to nethack imo 23:56:19 you are 23:56:41 !lg thrermor 23:56:42 No games for thrermor. 23:56:42 Pleasingfungus: I think that might be the same guy who keeps showing up in my stream chat 23:56:54 heh 23:56:54 Taraiph: the thing about adding monsters is that you usually have to code some special effect, which a guide isn't going to help much 23:57:04 yeah, the roster is full up on vanilla stat monsters 23:57:14 he's never said anything offensive, so maybe no 23:57:15 Taraiph: this sounds a lot like trapdoor spiders or the old swamp worms, which had similar a "submerge" effect to appear near the player 23:57:22 a huge majority of my work on dream sheep was getting the sleep code right 23:57:29 actually creating a "dream sheep" monster entry was simple 23:57:41 some day i should fix swamp worms 23:57:44 those things were all removed because submerge is a big pain for players and devs alike, so you'd have to find a way to make burrowing sufficiently different from that 23:57:56 <|amethyst> if they're fixed they're not very interesing 23:57:59 yeah, so it goes with new species/monsters/gods ; the simple and minimal framework stuff isn't too bad, but then you need special abilities/effects etc 23:58:31 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:59:06 |amethyst: ? 23:59:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:20 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: well, because then they're like statues 23:59:30 i can't believe you would pun at me. 23:59:37 me. in the year two thousand and seven teen. 23:59:43 heh 23:59:45 I get it 23:59:47 I get that joke