00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:06 oh 00:00:18 !learn edit frogs[2] s/Exp: 1/Exp: 0/ 00:00:19 frogs[2/3]: Fr: Fighting: 1, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: -1, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: 0, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 1, Nec: -1, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 1, Air: 0, Earth: -1, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 MR: 3* Stats: 6/6/6 sid/5 00:00:25 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-390-g4892b34 (34) 00:00:58 !learn edit frogs[1] s/cbro/{CBRO}/ 00:00:59 frogs[1/3]: Possible new species playable on {CBRO}. Has a Hop ability letting the player choose a spot up to 4 tiles away, landing them randomly in a 5x5 area. Range upgrades to 5 at XL13. Frogs have Slow 1 (move 1.2, faster than Na), are amphibious, and have low stats with average apts (see frogs[2]). 00:01:31 amalloy_, remind me why we still have multi-turn food? 00:06:44 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:07:41 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 00:08:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:05 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:38 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 04:16:19 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:17:35 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:19 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:18 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:55:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:23 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:45:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:25 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 05:49:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:40 -!- pentox has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:30:29 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:34:37 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:51 -!- Yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:53:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:53:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:08:31 -!- Tiltorax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:37 -!- qtip2 has quit [Client Quit] 09:14:49 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:07 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:13 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:24 -!- iFurril has quit [Client Quit] 09:24:13 -!- saty has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45:10 -!- ManMan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:57:58 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:35 Faustar (L15 FoAK) (Shoals:2) 10:24:45 <|amethyst> !crashlog 10:24:45 16283. Faustar, XL15 FoAK, T:32905 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Faustar/crash-Faustar-20161230-152434.txt 10:25:25 <|amethyst> timeout_terrain_changes 10:26:06 <|amethyst> crash is in a dynamic_cast 10:26:32 <|amethyst> probably a bad (null?) pointer in env.markers 10:26:59 <|amethyst> thouh the marker dump in the save looks fine? 10:27:09 <|amethyst> s/uh/ugh/ 10:32:34 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47:00 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55:39 -!- Naeroon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:05 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:56 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:17:42 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:42 -!- sooheon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:25:46 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:02 |amethyst: s/uh/ugh is a very good line for many situations 11:26:02 Pleasingfungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:26:09 !tell gammafunk I like the new entry, thank you! 11:26:09 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 11:26:57 %git 3cdf1d872 11:26:58 07johnny002 * 0.19-a0-1740-g3cdf1d8: skill_menu.cc: Avoid color clashes with darkgrey. 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cdf1d872d14 11:28:18 !tell johnny0 oh, i didn't realize the manual thing was a recent change! looks like my commit didn't touch half the stuff yours did, so it was broken anyway... will mull it over 11:28:19 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 11:28:54 -!- DivineHammer has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:44 -!- Guest79425 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:43:06 -!- saty has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:44:08 <|amethyst> hm 11:48:36 <|amethyst> would it be terrible if Jiyva's 6* spawn-on-hit didn't work when you were under penance? 11:48:42 no 11:49:46 New branch created: pull/423 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/423 11:49:46 03Colin Morris02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/423 * 0.20-a0-391-gb5b173f: Remove some spurious warnings on equip attempts. 10(14 minutes ago, 6 files, 230+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b5b173f17134 11:51:03 eep 11:51:07 big commit for the message 11:53:24 addings comments, madness 11:53:38 ohhh. do people do that? 11:54:40 heh, he fixed up the comment on prompt_invent_item() 11:58:32 looks well-written, but it's big enough that i don't feel like i have a good grasp of it. 12:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:53 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11:36 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:12:01 from 7 parameters down to a mere 6 on wield_weapon, exciting 12:12:40 this is what progress looks like, my friend! 12:13:01 Oh, hey, it's my p.r.! Most of the diff is just comments and moving some code around. The only substantial changes are: 1) Pass the no_warning flag to prompt_invent_item when wielding/wearing/putting. And explicitly call check_warning_inscriptions later. 2) Add some defensive checks about removability of items in the way. Previously you could only tell that an item couldn't be taken off once you tried to take it off. 12:13:53 I did some manual testing and everything seemed ok. Though I'd definitely feel more comfortable about it if there were unit tests backing it up. 12:14:30 welcome... to crawlcode!!! 12:16:43 Pekkekk (L7 HEEn) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (D:5) 12:17:57 appropriately timed crash there 12:20:43 i approve 12:21:09 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:23:19 -!- newbie999 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:24:57 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:13 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:41 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:52:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:20 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:44 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:39 sapher playing nawn^Gozag 13:08:43 this is all dynast's fault 13:09:55 !hs * frog 13:09:56 130. fakedynast the Merry Frog (L27 FrHu of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-12-29 22:11:05, with 2298501 points after 73273 turns and 4:52:09. 13:10:02 !lg * frog / won 13:10:02 1/130 games for * (frog): N=1/130 (0.77%) 13:10:28 hrm, dynast got the first win? with a ranged char? time to remove, imo. 13:10:38 !hs * frog !won 13:10:39 129. gressup the Froggy Blade (L27 FrBe of Trog), blasted by a purple draconian stormcaller (divine providence) on Zot:3 (lemuel_firehouse) on 2016-12-29 19:36:19, with 588225 points after 80572 turns and 4:19:07. 13:10:42 heh 13:10:52 !lm * frog alive max=xl 13:11:07 160. [2016-12-29 18:56:06] jink69 the Severer (L18 FrBe of Trog) reached level 4 of the Snake Pit on turn 35129. (Snake:4) 13:12:13 not sure what to do about manuals and skill_menu colouring. 13:23:24 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:26:16 -!- Uhlv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:33:00 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:01 ...implement "discorobin"-style coloring for it? 13:35:46 just apply and revert commits at high speed 13:42:06 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:43:57 Say, if rods are converted to wands, does that mean we're just a bit closer to a world where hunger isn't tied to game mechanics and is easier to rebalance? 13:44:26 -!- saty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45:04 ghoul suggestion: dont scale chunk healing with XL 13:45:28 -!- Tiltorax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:53 it scales with xl? 13:47:58 const int hp_amt = 1 + random2avg(5 + you.experience_level, 3); 13:48:37 I notice people complaining about ghoul being OP or whatever and cant help but notice that the healing is extremely good later in the game and doesn't do much early game 13:48:52 removing the XL scaling seems like it would deal with that 13:49:15 (or you could cut the healing altogether idc either way on that, but if it heals it shouldnt scale with xl) 13:49:31 sounds reasonable 13:53:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:55:01 ...give kobolds and spriggans a 'half nutrition' mutation, and merge all rations? 13:55:33 less serious: Make everything pizza. 13:56:05 What about goldifying food similarly to the plan of Ranged Reform 13:56:15 there was a branch for that a while back 13:56:22 or making food a resource bar like hp mp 13:56:28 it is 13:57:07 What happened to the branch? deemed too fun? 13:57:12 sort of the other thing 13:57:18 like, what you said, but 13:57:20 the opposite 13:57:23 :( 13:57:32 i tried to improve it but i think i only made it worse 13:58:36 Pleasingfungus: some frogback: the main use i'm finding for Hop is not to escape enemies i'm in combat with (it's mediocre at that), but to exit LOS of some monster that hasn't noticed me yet, often so i can better lure the ones who have 13:58:54 amalloy: huh, i never even considered that. 13:59:11 frogback... 13:59:58 obviously, dpeg's mutant monsters would solve this & all other 'luring' problems. 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:12 !lm . x=xl 14:00:13 7738. [2016-12-30 09:54:23] [xl=11] amalloy the Spear-Bearer (L11 FrBe of Trog) killed Grum on turn 12224. (D:9) 14:00:22 still low level so maybe that changes with the Advanced Hop 14:00:26 heh 14:00:59 i found it pretty useful for escapes on my summoner & conjurer, but my fighter just kind of plowed through everything 14:01:06 and i expect a berserker would do so even moreso 14:01:12 why spears? 14:01:25 i didn't read the % screen, and i'd already tried lbl offline 14:01:39 well, you're probably doomed now. game over 14:01:56 and like, yes you often *can* plow through things, but it's not the approach taken by the optimal player 14:02:32 plus the mental image of a frogdude with a spear is was funnier than with a sensible weapon 14:03:53 :) 14:03:53 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:10 its just a tongue extension, what's the problem? :p 14:05:45 irl a frog is basically a mouth but with enough leg to throw the mouth at things 14:07:54 wisdom 14:17:56 (of course now I have an image of a frog with its tongue wrapped around the shaft of a spear and using it to stab and drag///) 14:21:39 i'm pretty sure there are images of that Out There on the internet 14:22:11 of course there are 14:22:24 and at least half of them have sexual overtones somehow >.> 14:25:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:26:00 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:54:29 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 14:54:52 -!- Chopkinsca is now known as Boatshow 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:46 do mutation upgrades get mentioned anywhere that the player can see? 15:01:52 for species mutations, that is 15:02:35 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:43 -!- is_cao_down has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:01 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:28 I think it's mentioned in the manual? 15:18:35 I remember reading something like that for draconians getting upgrades 15:18:39 and tengu 15:26:45 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:26:47 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:35:07 Brannock: so no, in other words 15:39:55 -!- Wiggles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:35 -!- Boatshow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:39 -!- saty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-391-g9630af8: Use a passive_t for slime wall immunity. 10(5 hours ago, 5 files, 13+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9630af8b1289 15:52:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-392-gdfafcef: Don't let Jiyva spawn-on-hit work under penance. 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfafcef10b68 15:52:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-393-g30b8490: Use existing Jiyva passives in a few more places. 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/30b8490c3ae2 15:52:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-394-gac35c17: Move mons_is_slime check into actor_slime_wall_immune. 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ac35c17eadd3 15:52:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-395-g67baa83: Make _count_adjacent_slime_walls non-static. 10(17 minutes ago, 6 files, 25+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67baa8347310 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:05 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:50 ayo, I had someone on jorgrun rocks 4get their password so I ended up having them remake their account with the same name. I have a save for their account, how would I go about connecting the account to the save if they are the same name already? 16:02:50 ZiBuDo: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:02:53 !messages 16:02:54 (1/2) rchandra said (5w 4d 14h 54m 39s ago): "Trunk games don't count for the tournament, you want 0.19. Play trunk anyway? (Y/N)" 16:03:00 !messages 16:03:01 (1/1) gammafunk said (5w 2d 10h 48s ago): Player survey is ready! Can you add the following link to the CJR lobby: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/dcss-player-survey 16:03:33 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:20 -!- nd has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:43 -!- Lion_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:26 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-395-g67baa83 (34) 16:18:15 ZiBuDo: hrm, |amethyst might be more familiar with the dir structure 16:18:35 in terms of what you have to copy over, or maybe johnstein remembers 16:19:02 alrighty, gammafunk: could you guys email me @ admin@jorgrun.rocks when you got stuff for me to add like the player survey, I check that a lot more frequently 16:19:12 will do that, yeah 16:19:22 thanks 16:19:29 I was just !telling everyone when that went up 16:21:48 makes sense 16:25:56 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31:11 -!- Lion_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:12 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:13 -!- nd has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:45:49 missile [thunderbolt] [...] dam=502d10 16:46:08 a v. good save transfer bug 16:46:55 hellthunder 16:52:12 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:54:05 hmm i think other than that, rodwand stuff is ready 16:54:33 dunno if people want to see it on a branch first, but otherwise i can just merge it later today probably 16:55:36 The TSO poison conduct is completely gone, right? 16:56:11 yeah 16:56:19 -!- mroovka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:09 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:19 ZiBuDo: you run dgl passwd 17:01:32 for what? 17:01:38 to change passwords? 17:01:41 well more generally you run dgl to do all sorts of account stuff 17:01:55 but yea for changing passwords 17:02:00 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-396-gbf3f530: Let TSO worshippers use their poison stingers 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf3f530cc694 17:02:06 run as sudo to set a new password 17:02:32 lets say i deleted the sql entry so he could just make another acct with same name and new password 17:02:35 what would i do then 17:03:36 <|amethyst> ZiBuDo: you shouldn't have to do anything with the save *if* they created the account with the same spelling, including case 17:03:47 ah 17:03:49 that's good 17:04:06 <|amethyst> ZiBuDo: if they changed case you'd have to rename the .cs file under /chroot/crawl-master/crawl-*/saves/oldname.cs 17:04:48 mhm thanks, i was just unsure if there was another step thanks a lot! 17:08:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:41 The build is still failing. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 17:15:08 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:17:10 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:31 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:57 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23:15 oh huh, i guess whatever that lua error is, it's console/webtiles only? 17:25:39 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: it's a test failing 17:25:49 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: we don't run the tests for tiles 17:25:52 ahh 17:25:59 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: it's because of 17:26:04 <|amethyst> %git f5873054a 17:26:04 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-387-gf587305: Nix nonsensical run warnings (koboldenthusiasm) 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5873054a96e 17:26:05 <|amethyst> I think 17:26:07 <|amethyst> testing now 17:26:07 i saw it was an infinite loop in a test, yeah, didn't know they didn't get run in tiles 17:26:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:29:39 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 17:33:35 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:23 my new year's resolution is going to be to go at LEAST a day without breaking the build. 17:34:25 <|amethyst> aha 17:34:35 <|amethyst> I see what causes it 17:34:44 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus prevented resting while inside a wall 17:35:24 haha 17:35:31 how inconsiderate 17:35:45 pretty big nerf to the rock worm species we're going to add 17:35:56 <|amethyst> oh, it would work for rock worms 17:36:06 <|amethyst> because presumably they would consider walls habitable 17:36:19 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:26 -!- Uhlv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39:42 question: should we fix whatever test is resting inside a wall? or is that expected? 17:40:01 <|amethyst> it's expected, though putting floor there would be fine 17:40:08 <|amethyst> I have a fix 17:40:28 <|amethyst> it also fixes a missing message when you try to run directly into water 17:40:35 <|amethyst> though maybe that isn't necessary 17:41:46 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:44:43 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:51 consistency is nice. 17:45:02 <|amethyst> consistency with what? 17:45:20 <|amethyst> with non-shift walking into water (message), or with shift-walking into walls (no message)? :) 17:45:44 -!- saty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:45:47 former 17:45:51 :P 17:47:49 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:44 <|amethyst> hm 17:56:00 <|amethyst> I kind of wonder if this might not be done better by changing i_feel_safe 17:56:20 <|amethyst> it would prevent getting "You start resting." before the message 17:56:28 -!- osune has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:56:33 <|amethyst> but would probably have side effects 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:29 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-397-g5631477: Actually prevent running/resting next to slime walls (doh) 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56314776da11 18:04:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-398-gd1c1da2: Allow resting inside of walls in wizmode. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1c1da2e6460 18:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-396-gbf3f530 (34) 18:09:56 -!- tonygr has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:35 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-396-gbf3f530 (34) 18:14:45 phantom enemy appearing 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10867 by dracos369 18:14:45 <|amethyst> tests seem to be passing so far 18:15:45 <|amethyst> I think that might be #8811 18:16:32 <|amethyst> !bug 8811 18:16:32 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 18:17:00 <|amethyst> hm, not exactly the same 18:18:17 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:18:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:25 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:54 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: btw, what do you think about swapping &k and &K ? 18:20:03 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: since the former is only useful in labyrinths 18:20:19 i think i suggested it in irc right after my last relevant commit 18:20:26 <|amethyst> ah 18:20:35 <|amethyst> were there any objections? 18:21:01 nyet 18:21:07 but also i didn't feel strongly about it :) 18:22:45 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:25:12 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-399-g87fc977: Swap &k and &K commands. 10(54 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87fc977532e4 18:26:55 <|amethyst> err, the new latter 18:27:01 <|amethyst> not the former latter 18:27:08 the latter-day latter? 18:27:48 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:28:13 <|amethyst> When I was small I always heard that as "ladder day", because that's how US accents work 18:28:25 <|amethyst> so I assumed it was something to do with physical ascension into heaven 18:28:46 Latter-day Saints probably wouldn't have helped cure that assumption either 18:30:21 lol 18:31:05 not entirely related, but i think i was about 20 years old before i knew how to pronounce "awry" 18:31:16 because prior to that i had only ever seen it in writing 18:31:23 ...how did you pronounce it? 18:31:27 now i'm worried 18:31:40 uh-rye 18:31:42 son of a gun 18:31:52 as opposed to aw-ree 18:31:58 google claims it's "ah-rah" 18:31:59 er 18:32:06 hrm 18:32:13 i answered you backwards 18:32:17 i thought it was aw-ree 18:32:21 ahh 18:32:21 <|amethyst> I read "genre" as "jen ray" 18:32:27 ooh, that would be very french. 18:32:29 whereas it's "wry" 18:32:37 with an "a" in front 18:32:44 for a long time I had no idea that the 'b' in 'debt' was silent 18:32:51 same for the 'p' in receipt 18:33:01 lol 18:33:15 english: the bane of phonics 18:35:10 <|amethyst> I pronounce the "l" in "calm", but that's not uncommon in the US 18:35:55 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:37 all-mund 18:36:38 sall-mon 18:37:07 <|amethyst> I also pronounce the "l" in "almond", but not "salmon" 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-400-gb1e1cac: Add the wand of clouds 10(3 weeks ago, 17 files, 188+ 119-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1e1cac6ba2b 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-401-g42a710e: Remove mist and rain from wand of clouds effects 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 8+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42a710e77dea 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-402-gf84ef17: Partially refactor wand handling, make wands use spell ranges 10(3 weeks ago, 7 files, 66+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f84ef177bae7 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-403-ga59074c: Give Disintegrate LOS range 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a59074c56a2e 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-404-gd31b6d8: Add the wand of scattershot 10(3 weeks ago, 12 files, 22+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d31b6d87200d 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-405-g2834ef1: Refactor your_spells 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 29+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2834ef16be3a 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-406-g44a4606: Remove rods 10(2 weeks ago, 108 files, 468+ 1637-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44a4606457c6 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-407-g7e2a38b: Rework the wand of random effects 10(2 weeks ago, 10 files, 60+ 225-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7e2a38b0be8b 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-408-gbca2e78: Make wand power scale better with Evocations skill 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bca2e7895c14 18:37:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-409-g85f13f0: Don't make BEAM_DISINTEGRATION or BEAM_DEVASTATION dig walls 10(13 days ago, 4 files, 5+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f13f00f281 18:37:38 ... and 8 more commits 18:38:42 the one that blew my mind was segue pronounced Segway. 18:38:50 just in time for the new year! 18:38:52 hm 18:39:09 one of my professors really emphasized each syllable of "important" 18:39:09 i wonder if 85f13f00f281 breaks eye of devastation vaults 18:39:23 and put the stress on "tant" 18:39:30 oh maybe, are there such things? 18:39:39 it's because he stuttered as a kid 18:39:45 I always thought it was "segg" 18:39:45 there's one r-i vault with an eye of devastation that digs out an 8 if you press o 18:39:46 but it still sounds really weird 18:39:47 i can think of at least one 18:40:00 <|amethyst> johnstein: I thought it was "seg you" 18:40:12 wait, is it really *not* "segg"? 18:40:24 it is seg-way 18:40:28 french, segu� 18:40:31 i thought you were joking 18:40:34 <|amethyst> Italian 18:40:34 no 18:40:36 this language is an abomination 18:40:40 haha 18:40:41 true 18:40:54 i'll continue to say "segue" 18:40:59 !vault hangedman_slime_spill 18:40:59 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/slime.des#L244 18:41:04 just to not confuse it with the actual segway product 18:41:14 sort of like how "forte" is actually pronounced "fort" 18:41:20 <|amethyst> don't forget "ague" 18:41:29 ayg? 18:41:34 or is that fucked up too? 18:41:39 <|amethyst> ay gyoo 18:41:44 huh 18:42:06 fr: keyboards that use IPA 18:42:17 !vault hangedman_surveillance_ring 18:42:18 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#L2231 18:42:32 !vault hangedman_glaring_trap 18:42:33 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#L3011 18:42:36 ^ the one minmay was referring to 18:43:13 i think those are the only ones that are really designed around devastation breaking stuff 18:44:17 that second one definitely doesn't look like much of a tragic loss, yeah 18:44:30 do you mean glaring_trap or surveillance_ring? 18:44:35 glaring_trap 18:44:38 ah 18:44:39 that's the third one 18:44:50 ah i missed slime_spill 18:44:58 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:02 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:45:38 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: I used to have an IPA input method, but can't seem to find it anymore 18:45:44 scattershot could use a new icon to convey "spray of shards" and not "bowling ball" 18:45:51 oh, i like &v 18:45:53 haha 18:46:04 yeah i got fed up of &mcereboving 18:46:07 haha 18:46:09 of course, the problem with using IPA is how few people understand it 18:46:24 i know i don't 18:46:31 -!- Uhlv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47:00 although i do get a kick out of how american english is one of the only languages in the world that makes consistent and widespread use of the retroflex "r" 18:48:09 Pleasingfungus: artifact of me taking several classes in natural language processing 18:48:19 and computer-based language 18:48:46 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:47 The build was fixed. (master - d1c1da2 #7482 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/187807547 18:48:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:48:51 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: Also (though not unique to AmE), it has a glottal stop as an allophone of t, and a flapped r as an allophone of t and d 18:49:24 haha 18:49:30 yeah 18:49:55 it's funny how different AmE is from basically every other form of english in the world 18:49:56 hm, does digging really make a difference either way in slime_spill? 18:50:08 seems like it's just surveillance_ring that'd really need changing 18:50:09 lemme look 18:50:26 i can't really tell what slime_spill is even meant to do 18:50:33 if anything 18:50:40 although quebecois is also radically different from every other form of french too 18:50:45 maybe it's just a staircase with an eye of devastation 18:50:47 without digging, the slimes can only get out to the sides, whereas they could come out through the middle if the eye fired at the player. maybe 18:50:49 just weird colonial oddities maybe 18:50:55 hrm 18:51:03 though i wasn't looking closely at the substs 18:51:21 no, i think there are supposed to be a bunch of slimes and more devastation eyes behind the wall 18:51:30 heh 18:51:32 actually 18:51:36 squarelos broke this vault 18:51:36 * ProzacElf notes his "also .... too" construction there 18:51:49 lol 18:52:03 i've been so used to squarelos that i forgot we didn't always have it 18:52:13 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: yeah, it's supposed to miss you and hit the wall behind you, freeing the 0s 18:52:23 !learn set wand_power[1] 15 + 3.5 * Evocations (2.5 in 0.19 and earlier) 18:52:23 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 3.5 * Evocations (2.5 in 0.19 and earlier) 18:52:31 i should go fire up a really old version just to remind myself how much circlelos sucked 18:52:39 oh, nice 18:53:11 the squarelos thing that is 18:53:12 off by one tile... 18:53:44 anyway, it's not broken in a way that ruins the game or w/e, just lost its whole gimmick 18:54:21 <|amethyst> need a slime with shatter 18:54:29 <|amethyst> obv. synergy! 18:55:12 just put dissolution in the vault. 18:55:19 bing bang bong, done. 18:55:32 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: what if you get both vaults in the same game? 18:55:42 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: slime_spill and slime_tunnels 18:56:01 well, the vault isn't *that* broken without digging :) 18:56:09 <|amethyst> hm 18:56:37 I'm not sure how exciting disintegration is now that it can't dig anymore and it's subject to hex rules. maybe better scaling will help 18:57:26 wasn't it always subject to hex rules? 18:57:28 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm, I think the change makes orb spiders less of a threat 18:57:40 i think it's pretty much as exciting as before, high damage that ignores ac is pretty nice 18:57:59 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: since they can't chip away at your forcefie^Wwall 18:58:00 but lasty was maybe planning on merging digging/disint and that'd still be good, probably 18:58:21 Does digging still exist? 18:58:22 i remember we had big design issues with that when it was last brought up 18:58:25 digging/disint merging 18:59:50 <|amethyst> also, does digging work on statues? 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:26 With rod removal and with the power wands going away, is it safe to bring Pakellas back? 19:00:58 what would new pak do? 19:00:59 i don't see why it would be, particularly 19:01:39 the core mpa objection was that turning a mechanic designed to be scarce (wands and other evocables) into an unlimited resource didn't work very well; making wands more powerful doesn't really help that at all? 19:02:45 The primary offender, I thought, was /haste and /hw. A god allowing a true focus on evocables seems fine to me, given other gods give you unlimited (gated by piety) uses of abilities 19:02:55 i think it still just needs a more complete redesign, yeah 19:02:59 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03:48 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03:50 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:00 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: good_night] 19:08:57 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-417-ge4f0a7c (34) 19:13:19 Pleasingfungus: I don't recall there being real design issues 19:14:15 MarvinPA: agreed that Pak needs a total redesign 19:14:24 lemme find th elogs 19:16:51 found the big argument 19:17:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:18:06 ##crawl-dev-20160126.lg is the relevant bit 19:19:42 hrm, or maybe the next day 19:21:44 having a hard time finding the end of the argument, but my recollection is 19:21:54 (1) "we should merge dig and disint" 19:22:10 (2) "what if you end up blasting something that was through a wall accidentally? (a neutral or w/e?) that'd be dumb 19:22:27 (3) "well, what if we make it only disintegrate the first thing it hits, and then dig thereafter?" 19:22:40 (4) "no, you can't make beams change their behaviour midway through their path. that's breaking Beam Law" 19:22:43 _fin_ 19:22:55 you could cast *two* beams at once 19:23:04 one disint that would stop at the first target, one digging that goes through! 19:23:09 :P 19:23:19 oh right i do remember that whole thing yeah 19:23:23 how come your mom lets you have TWO beams...? 19:23:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:49 wish there was a way to filter out join/leave messages in these logs 19:24:05 write your own log parsing program 19:24:05 then share it with the class 19:24:18 grep for lines starting with anything other than *** 19:24:19 i think the specific most recent proposal was to blast a small aoe or whatever but i guess in theory you could still hit a thing behind a wall there too 19:24:40 yeah, a better example than hitting neutrals is problems for beoghites/jiyvaites 19:24:47 since it'd be very easy to accidentally hit a follower there 19:25:02 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:03 couldn't you just make it not affect anything that wasn't originally in LOS when you cast the beam? 19:25:09 creatures, that is 19:25:15 not sure how feasible this is given code 19:25:36 lrd does something along those lines iirc 19:25:53 this seems really complicated from a player's perspective 19:26:07 lrd doesnt damage things if they are blocked by the wall both before and after the lrd, or something 19:26:07 players don't need to know everything 19:26:17 Pleasingfungus, whatever came of this discussion on rCorr and !resistance? 19:26:32 i don't have the log open anymore, sorry 19:26:38 that one caught my eye given I recently added rCorr on scales... 19:26:40 well as a player if I found this merged dig/disint and didn't know about this special case I would be worried about hitting allies through walls 19:26:41 i think !res currently gives rcorr 19:26:50 speaking of power creep (sort of, kind of), I'm thinking about removing rcorr from !res. it feels like that makes slime a little too simple 19:26:54 it seems a lot better to just remove one of dig/disint and leave one the same 19:27:04 i think i probably got argued out of it. if i was gonna guess 19:27:37 removing rCorr from !resist sounds like a thing i would've been in favour of 19:27:44 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:44 i'm not a huge fan of rcorr on !res either 19:27:45 The build passed. 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Nice against Nikola, in Slime:6 and on Zot:5. 19:28:23 it was originally 'elemental resistance', iirc 19:28:45 what's an 'elemental resistance' 19:29:03 you know, the ancient greek elements. fire, electricity, cold 19:29:14 very classical 19:29:26 is poison an element? i guess earth isn't an element since there's no earth resistance 19:29:26 currently it gives angband rBase i guess! clearly time to split crawl resists into base and high 19:29:33 and add nexus hounds 19:30:04 ;_; 19:30:12 the return of the shuffle card 19:30:31 in glorious monster breath form 19:30:47 marvin plz... 19:30:52 -!- Neovanglist has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:34:14 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:36:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:36:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:07 i just saw "int bolt::range_used(bool leg_only) const" and was extremely mystified 19:38:14 what a good parameter 19:38:14 haha 19:38:22 it makes sense once you know what it means! 19:38:38 int range_used(bool leg_only = false) const; is the only other mention of that I could find 19:38:40 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:38:52 yes, it was just at the bottom of a diff chunk so i didn't get any context which made it perfect 19:38:59 Pleasingfungus: regarding the digging merge question, I think the solution is to merge them into something else: the wand of destruction idea. 19:39:16 Pleasingfungus: something that takes a big chunk out of the wall -- useless for digging killholes 19:39:17 that brought up the "what if you blast something you can't see?" discussion, yeah 19:39:32 Pleasingfungus: and then if it hurts people you don't see, that would feel natural 19:39:32 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:42 uh 19:39:49 by natural do you mean shitty and frustrating 19:39:54 oh, i blasted a wall, now i have beogh penance 19:40:04 since one of my orcs was hanging around on the other side 19:40:11 that's something i could have reasonably prevented by: 19:41:37 I have no problem with reckless blasting by Beogh followers having the possibility of killing a friendly. 19:41:53 does "reckless blasting" count as "any time you blast a wall" 19:42:08 You can do the same thing with fire storm, prism, etc. 19:42:28 Pleasingfungus: well, in my design, the wand has very few charges, so it would be a rare event to blast a wall 19:42:41 why even leave in the wall-blasting capabilities? 19:42:57 . . . because some players don't worship Beogh? 19:43:09 <|amethyst> hm 19:43:11 i do think it'd probably be fine to just remove /digging (with the requisite vault adjustments for stuff that really requires it) 19:43:17 what's the point of disint other than chopping down walls 19:43:20 <|amethyst> so if you target a monster, does it do area of effect damage too? 19:43:22 it's a decent damage wand. 19:43:27 mid-tier. 19:44:08 OP? 19:44:17 |amethyst: yeah, the idea is that it'd be like a wall-destroying shotgun, give or take 19:44:19 Lasty: i think that very few beoghites are casting fire storm, and, to be honest, probably very few are casting prism. there's not much synergy with the race or the god. 19:45:47 Pleasingfungus: what about wand of ice blast? 19:46:44 <|amethyst> you have to target the edge of LOS to have a chance of hitting something you didn't know about 19:46:46 I kind of like the idea of a wand that's not so controlled wrt digging, it's certainly possible to make one that still allows nice kill nooks and crannies 19:47:01 s/wrt digging/wrt digging or disint/ 19:47:19 <|amethyst> I wouldn't want to get rid of wall-manipulatin altogether 19:47:24 yeah, same 19:47:26 <|amethyst> s/tin/tion/ 19:48:10 <|amethyst> killholes would still be possible for EE 19:48:18 in the near term just removing dig and having people use disint is reasonable, although there are nice things you can do with kill tunnels 19:48:33