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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:11:15 -!- bel1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:14:43 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:20:55 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:12 -!- bgiannan_ is now known as bgiannan 01:33:49 well shit they aint nothing going on in here 01:38:18 there's always laughing at https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5j2fz5/what/ 01:43:04 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:49:58 -!- bel1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:55:29 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:57:28 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:26 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:06 -!- nefhilion_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:13:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:13:17 -!- purge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:17:16 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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the connection] 07:04:47 -!- concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 07:08:20 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:24 Uskayaw pain bond hurts neutral monsters 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10857 by Sprucery 07:15:24 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23:31 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:28 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:36 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11:57 <|amethyst> Roleplayer on tavern pointed out 08:12:02 <|amethyst> %git 6c060d377 08:12:02 07Ada48202 * 0.19-a0-50-g6c060d3: Tightened the 0 bonus/penalty range for STR. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c060d3771dd 08:12:31 <|amethyst> doesn't actually change the behaviour for strength 9 or 11 08:12:51 <|amethyst> because random2(1) is always zero 08:42:20 -!- TrueCreed has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:26 -!- Annoying_Orange has quit [Quit: Page closed] 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has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:29:23 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:49 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:17 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 12:38:11 wouldn't it be better to redo it? 12:38:27 since it seems both the old formula and the new one were broken 12:38:48 also it creates a weird breakpoint, if I'm understanding this right 12:39:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:39:41 -!- mibert has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:07 i wonder if it is Tradition for stats to have weird breakpoints for some reason. like dex famously has one around 24ish? 12:45:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-310-g3286b33: Rename an archaic trap attribute 10(28 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3286b3335494 12:46:15 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:35 oh I guess you can just do + 1 after the random2? 12:53:52 pre 6c060 behavior was that 9 and 11 strength didn't affect damage, post-6c060 is that 9 and 11 strength doesn't affect damage. but fixing it means a tiny buff to 10+ Strength and a tiny nerf to 10- Strength I guess 12:59:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-311-g0840a6e: Remove support for the old tutorial map 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0840a6ed45a8 13:04:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:28 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-310-g3286b33 (34) 13:10:20 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-312-g85fd691: Fix damage modifiers at 9 and 11 Str (Roleplayer) 10(67 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85fd691b71e8 13:11:43 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:57 -!- bel1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:13:28 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 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Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 0, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 0, Dodge: 0, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 1!, HP: 0, MP: 0 13:27:02 !apt sc 13:27:03 Could not understand "sc" 13:27:06 !apt spellcasting 13:27:06 Splcast: DE: 3!, Sp: 2, Og: 1, Dr[purple]: 1, Fo: 0, VS: 0, Ko: 0, HE: N/A, Na: -1, Te: -1, Gr: -1, Ds: -1, Mf: -1, Mu: -1, Hu: -1, Dr: -1, Op: -1, Vp: -1, Fe: -1, Dg: -2, DD: -2, Gh: -2, Ha: -3, HO: -3, Ce: -3, Mi: -4, Tr: -5* 13:29:16 !stats drcj 13:29:19 !stats ogcj 13:30:02 Starting stats for DrCj: Str 10 Int 15 Dex 11. Stat gain: sid/4 13:30:05 Starting stats for OgCj: Str 11 Int 16 Dex 9. Stat gain: s/3 13:30:47 !apt tr 13:30:48 Tr: Fighting: -2*, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -1, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -4*, Bows: -4*, Xbows: -4*, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -5*, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -5*, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -2, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -4*, Earth: -1, Poison: -3*, Inv: -1*, Evo: -3*, Exp: -1, HP: 3!, MP: -1* 13:34:04 -!- Doesnty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:45 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:40:33 !apt og 13:40:33 Og: Fighting: 3!, Short: -3*, Long: -3*, Axes: -3*, Maces: -1, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -3, Bows: -3, Xbows: -3, Throw: 0, Armour: -2, Dodge: -1, Stealth: -2, Shields: -1, UC: -1, Splcast: 1, Conj: -1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -1, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -1, Fire: -1, Ice: -1, Air: -1, Earth: -1, Poison: -1, Inv: 1, Evo: -2, Exp: 0, HP: 3!, MP: 0 13:40:38 !apt mi 13:40:39 Mi: Fighting: 2, Short: 1, Long: 2!, Axes: 2, Maces: 2!, Polearms: 2, Staves: 2!, Slings: 1, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 2!, Dodge: 1, Stealth: -1, Shields: 2!, UC: 1!, Splcast: -4, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -2, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -2, Poison: -3*, Inv: 0, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: -1* 13:53:51 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:20 ??giant club 13:54:20 giant club[1/2]: (maces & flails; -6 acc / 20 dam / 1.6 base delay / 0.7 min delay; two handed). A giant lump of wood. The only playable races that can wield giant clubs are Ogres and Trolls. 13:54:24 ??reat mace 13:54:25 reat mace ~ great mace[1/1]: (maces & flails; -4 acc / 17 dam / 1.7 base delay / 0.7 min delay; two handed). An enormous metal war club, of great cumbrousness. The largest mace most playable races can wield. Ogres and Trolls can wield giant (spiked) clubs too. 13:55:30 !stats micj 13:55:33 Starting stats for MiCj: Str 12 Int 12 Dex 10. Stat gain: sd/4 13:55:40 !stats ogcj 13:55:41 Starting stats for OgCj: Str 11 Int 16 Dex 9. Stat gain: s/3 13:55:55 !apt mi 13:55:55 Mi: Fighting: 2, Short: 1, Long: 2!, Axes: 2, Maces: 2!, Polearms: 2, Staves: 2!, Slings: 1, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 2!, Dodge: 1, Stealth: -1, Shields: 2!, UC: 1!, Splcast: -4, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -2, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -2, Poison: -3*, Inv: 0, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: -1* 13:58:08 !apt gr 13:58:08 Gr: Fighting: 1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -1, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 2, Shields: 1, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -2, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: -1, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 0 13:58:29 what are you looking for? 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:17 what are you looking for, Brannock? 14:00:26 * gammafunk stares intently 14:00:53 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:01:32 !apt ho 14:01:33 HO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 3!, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -3, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: -2, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 1, MP: 0 14:04:52 -!- knu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:09:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-312-g85fd691 (34) 14:09:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:11:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:18 -!- mibert has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:12:14 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:15:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 14:15:53 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:55 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:21 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:25:29 <|amethyst> Brannock: hm, shouldn't that second one have been 11 - you.strength() ? 14:27:01 <|amethyst> Brannock: another option that doesn't change the numbers as much would be to move the *2 and *3 inside the random2 (and leave it as - 10 and 10 - ) 14:27:20 oops, you're right 14:28:32 <|amethyst> hm, 10857 is about pain bond affecting neutrals... does it also affect allies? 14:28:39 re 2nd point, not sure moving the multiply into the random2 function would have intended results 14:30:38 <|amethyst> e.g. at 12 strength with -10 it would be random2(4) (0-3, average 1.5) instead of the old 2*random2(2) (0 or 2, average 1) or the new 2*random2(3) (0, 2, or 4, average 2) 14:30:52 yeah, but check out what it does at 9 strength 14:32:15 <|amethyst> random2((10 - 9)*3) = random2(3) (0 1 or 2, average 1); was 0, would be 0 or 3 (average 1.5) with the change to 11 14:32:47 oh nevermind, I made a basic math error 14:32:47 lemme plot this out though 14:37:24 <|amethyst> hm, I think you're right... my proposed way is further away from the old behaviour for sufficiently high/low str 14:37:45 <|amethyst> hmm 14:40:01 <|amethyst> no 14:40:43 <|amethyst> e.g. at 30 str, old way is 0-19 * 2, average 19; new way is 0-20 * 2, average 20; mine is 0-39, average 19.5 14:41:09 The old system is less granular 14:41:14 not sure if that's (un)desirable? 14:41:43 probably unnoticeable to most players 14:44:17 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:45:18 I'll just fix the bug and then we can stew further over formulas 14:46:20 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty do you see a problem with having _check_for_uskayaw_targets return false for non-hostiles? #10857 (it affects neutrals) has come up a few times, also here https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5j82ct/ But it's even worse, because pain bond will hurt allies too 14:46:21 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 14:46:26 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-313-g10ed074: Correct a value (|amethyst) 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/10ed074002f6 14:46:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:47:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:50 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:38 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:59:10 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty oh, I guess that would cause problems with line pass, wouldn't it? And should allies/neutrals be affected by paralysis? 14:59:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:09 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty so maybe something specific to uskayaw_bonds_audience or even radiate_pain_bond? 15:01:10 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-313-g10ed074 (34) 15:14:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: did you see the comment on #10278 (Mouse hover lags)? Someone bisected it to your resizing fix in 0.16-a0-2585-g9e6f58d 15:19:59 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:20:01 yes, I knew that this commit has caused this, and yeah I did see that 15:20:21 without that commit resisizing is broken, which is also pretty bad 15:20:39 I need to sit down and figure out how to fix it; someone was saying that having tons of items in LOS caused it 15:20:50 hrm, let me try that right now, actually 15:22:19 hrm, in vim do I escape / in the replacement string of s///? 15:22:34 I'm escaping them in the pattern already 15:22:47 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:51 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:10 oh cool, you can use another separator 15:25:23 <|amethyst> and, yes, you must escape the delimiter in the replacement 15:26:29 I'm doing a tiles build to see if I can recreate mouse delay 15:26:35 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:52 "play a lot until it happens" makes it hard to debug, but if I can just make a lot of items to see it, I can probably track it down 15:27:45 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33:12 -!- Juniper_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:43:58 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:00 -!- SchwaAkari has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:40 hrm, can I run a profiler while controlling tiles? 15:57:38 maybe this would best be done with...*gasp*...print statements 15:58:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:50 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:53 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:03:26 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:04:14 -!- cybersaint2k_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:13:18 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0/20161212025550]] 16:14:58 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:17:13 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:50 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:09 -!- gdc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:35 -!- gdc has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:24 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:28:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:28 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:42:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:54 -!- bel1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:14 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:03 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:09:21 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:39 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:18:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:41 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:47 !messages 17:28:48 (1/1) rchandra said (5d 20h 17m 35s ago): your ogre friends needed you! 17:32:34 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:34:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:01 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:48:56 -!- eggzz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49:55 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:46 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:11 gammafunk: whatcha profilin? 17:58:03 I'm not any more, I'm going to use print statements 17:58:23 yeah but: what were you gonna profile? 17:58:25 i've got tools here 17:58:33 well I know how to pofile 17:58:50 but what I'm looking for is basically a UI delay 18:00:01 oh, is this about the tooltip delay issue? 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:14 mouse delay in general, yeah 18:00:29 I can recreate it somewhat reliably now 18:00:50 dammit, ccache save me please, I didn't mean to compile the wrong thing 18:01:08 lol 18:03:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:55 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:05:42 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:34 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:12:25 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-313-g10ed074 (34) 18:13:55 |amethyst: yeah, something specific to the passives seems like the right approach 18:14:18 |amethyst: I kinda like that Uskayaw hurts neutrals, but I don't feel strongly about it 18:15:17 what do you like about it? 18:15:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:35 everybody's gotta dance at this party...or else 18:16:44 seems, to me, unintuitive and bad 18:17:49 Lasty: did you have an anti-ally conduct in mind? 18:19:10 dpeg: no, not really. I just feel like Uskayaw would happily affect anyone around 18:19:13 By disposition 18:19:21 Pleasingfungus: pure flavor 18:19:30 Pleasingfungus: but gameplay should take precidence here 18:19:33 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:19:43 th-the flavour cost!! 18:19:55 sorry, that came out rude 18:20:03 i was just pleased to see its triumphant return 18:20:10 like an old friend, you know? 18:20:40 Also, keep an eye out for some kind of damage bug around daggers, hexes, venom, or horns. I just made it through a game using a +4 venom dagger and hexes as my primary offense without any trouble, even against unhexable targets. 18:21:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:06 I felt like I was doing way more melee damage than I should have been 18:22:05 lol 18:22:09 !learn add PleasingFungus Flavorbane 18:22:09 pleasingfungus[28/28]: Flavorbane 18:22:19 dpeg: now you have to remove one. you know the rule! 18:22:25 ok ok 18:22:28 :P 18:22:42 Pleasingfungus: man, 27 entries. You're a legend! 18:22:48 more like i'm in irc too much 18:23:02 i think grunt added like half of them... (rip) 18:24:07 dpeg: still no responses to my CRD email. I was thinking about starting to work on your idea. Do you have a preference for which version I implement? 18:24:37 Lasty: I will respond to it, just haven't had oodles of free time these last few days 18:24:45 that's right I used the word 'oodles' 18:25:02 !learn del PleasingFungus[1] 18:25:03 Deleted pleasingfungus[1/28]: oops 18:25:11 gammafunk: are you saying I'm not your first priority? 18:25:12 :( 18:25:13 Pleasingfungus: some good ones, but not all of them :) 18:25:15 now how will i say oops??? 18:25:23 with my keyboard? like a barbarian???? 18:25:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:25:30 Lasty: I made TWO usk videos and all that monetization goes directly to your bank account 18:25:32 oops is just a flavour 18:25:33 you've cast me back to the stone ages, here! 18:25:50 i was gonna fr a "caveman branch" but then i realized i already made lost_world 18:25:57 Pleasingfungus: and, harsh as it sounds, "oops" is the vanilla flavour of failure 18:26:00 Pleasingfungus: did you ever read pubby's proposal 18:26:01 lol 18:26:06 gammafunk: which one? 18:26:08 I should go link it 18:26:10 one sec 18:26:17 Lasty: yes, I have. Will then send my reply around. 18:26:26 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:26:32 gammafunk: true, and I'm still working on watching through the first one 18:26:49 Lasty: I have a feeling that people are intimidated by many words. This proves that coders cannot read either -- I always suspected this much. 18:26:51 second one was a Tr I think, so no big surprises 18:26:59 I did use statue form, if that's exciting 18:27:13 man, first result from pubby is this classic: http://i.imgur.com/sd8gLtg.png 18:27:30 dpeg: I figured it was more like suspicious of big plans 18:28:18 Lasty: yeah, but you'd hope they would speak up if they think "now that's a really bad direction". Instead of thinking, "well, that grandiose plan will fall flat anyway, no need to reply". :) 18:28:41 I would! 18:28:58 Fall flat? Drop dead? Eat a fungus? 18:29:12 I would hope that 18:29:25 but I would not eat a fungus 18:29:32 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:45 gammafunk: everyone in the cyc thread for that pubby pic played along so well that they actually got me 18:32:48 boy, my face was red 18:32:59 lol 18:33:07 i almost miss cyc 18:33:13 it was the finest work of pubby 18:33:17 MUCH better than formicids 18:33:20 lol 18:33:30 eronarn was lo, right? 18:33:35 yes, and Op! 18:33:41 and..felids? 18:33:44 I want to say that was also him 18:33:47 i had a discussion with him once, shortly after i showed up in irc 18:33:48 but deffo Op were his 18:34:01 he hinted at enigmatic plans for a New Lava Orc, and then vanished forever 18:34:05 yes 18:34:15 !seen floodkiller 18:34:15 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:34:15 I last saw Floodkiller at Mon Oct 31 03:35:07 2016 UTC (7w 19h 59m 8s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 18:34:18 he was sporadically in irc in my time 18:34:18 Pleasingfungus: you can never know about forever 18:35:44 Eronarn came up with octopodes, yes. And with the Zin recite speech/concept 18:36:12 man, generating Depths floors with FULLDEBUG is pretty wild 18:36:58 man, pubby's posts are a real god damn rabbit hole: http://i.imgur.com/ZpH0vVI.gif 18:38:21 Pleasingfungus: Don't know why I dug this up, but here it finally is: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10587&p=146128#p146128 18:38:41 hrm, seems even more relevant now that we have howler monkeys 18:39:33 hahaha 18:39:45 how did i miss this the first time around? 18:39:48 I just solved a weeks-old bug I'd been having that I couldn't figure out because I kept looking at every part of the code and going "why in the world isn't this working, it SHOULD work", turns out I needed to edit something in branch-data.h 18:39:57 I cannot describe the emotion I'm feeling 18:40:09 "Rogg immediately gifts you a "bone club"." 18:40:21 Brannock: http://pastebin.com/wTsqvVrz 18:40:30 ah, back when "R" was still free 18:40:45 oh, the panhell issue? 18:41:02 yeah 18:41:07 finally got roulette working 18:41:13 awesome! 18:41:16 turns out pan/hell didn't have parent branches defined 18:41:19 sorry for being totally unhelpful. i'm retired 18:41:28 are you actually retired or is that a running joke? 18:41:39 and dont' worry about it, I'm learning tons about the codebase 18:41:46 reading that discussion now 18:41:55 i retired in, uh... let me check the github graphs 18:41:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:08 Pleasingfungus is retired from updating his retirement status 18:42:12 it just got to be too big of a chore 18:42:16 ya 18:42:18 like the TODO 18:42:25 pleasingfungus just gets tired a lot 18:42:32 exhausted, even? 18:42:45 you feel sluggish. you feel re-tired. 18:42:46 just like good beans are friend and refried 18:42:50 good devs are tired and retired 18:42:59 er 18:43:01 *fried 18:43:17 oh quick question 18:43:21 do we have any christmas things planned this year 18:43:33 plans??? 18:43:41 anyway, looks like i retired around may 2015 18:43:46 the annual secret santa =p 18:43:55 I meant for trunk 18:44:01 Pleasingfungus retired about when i sent in my first commit 18:44:05 he was sick of me already 18:44:11 :P 18:44:13 gonna whip up some christmas tree tiles for lair??? 18:44:14 christmas hasn't been a thing crawl has done a lot for in the past; there was the one time with...reindeer, santa, and the north poll 18:44:19 maybe crypt too 18:44:21 *pole 18:44:26 we should do hannukah this year 18:44:39 i can't figure out what to get for my mom so i'll implement dreidels instead 18:44:40 %git 6233edf2a1a5d1921 18:44:40 07amalloy02 {|amethyst} * 0.17-a0-482-g6233edf: Fix targeting of Dithmenos spell-shadowing (#9614) 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6233edf2a1a5 18:44:44 wow, that's a really good point that I hadn't considered. I agree with Heithinn that increased XP restrictions reduce variety across characters (because you're increasingly pushed into builds/choices that can succeed within the XP constraint, or I should phrase this negatively actually, builds that can't succeed within the XP constraints become excluded) 18:44:47 I say fun april fool's branches are the way 18:44:58 don't forget sigmund as satan claus! 18:45:08 nostalgia was far and away the coolest joke commit thing we've done since I've been a dev 18:45:10 from personal experience I've had a few games where I "ran out of XP" and fizzled out and died, partly from making dumb skill decisions 18:45:21 spreading too thin 18:45:23 and wasn't antaeus something silly too? 18:45:24 one of Grunt's greatest hits 18:45:46 yeah, it's not strictly a 'strategic headroom' thing, since i'm not sure i'd say that more xp-intensive builds are 'worse', just that they're more demanding 18:46:06 I think IronicDongz is missing an important thing about "more meaningful choices", because it just means that players gravitate more towards highly-effective and -efficient choices 18:46:11 "multiple skill dependency" builds 18:46:15 sure 18:46:23 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:46:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:50 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-314-g2b7a7a5: Perform a funectomy on Augmentation 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b7a7a566865 18:46:50 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-315-g8346a86: Clean up Sac Courage's effect on spellpower 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8346a86dc550 18:46:55 that is: it's not just that reducing xp means that you have to choose 'better builds', it also makes many 'builds' worse 18:47:06 rip fun 18:47:13 like the classic thing about Necromutation 18:47:16 no more fungeon 18:47:17 it's not worth casting because it costs too much XP 18:47:26 to get online 18:47:27 may have to rename pleasingfungus to pleasinggus 18:47:34 well that's a L8 spell with two schools 18:47:42 is that the kind of spell we're actually talking about with a hybrid 18:47:46 No 18:47:49 ??things that do not exist[2 18:47:49 things that do not exist[2/4]: level 9 spells 18:47:55 ^ this is the same meme 18:48:01 also a good learndb entry tho 18:48:04 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:10 But I'm pointing at Necromutation as an example of what might happen to heavy hybrids should XP get reduced even further 18:48:12 hybrids tend to go for L6 and maybe sometimes L7 spells 18:48:33 I mean, all-melee builds go like max fighting, 24 armour etc 18:48:41 just putting all that xp into fewer schools 18:49:01 Brannock: where's the line between excessive xp and excessive consumables, say? Both allow you to get away with a lot worse play. 18:49:05 a hybrid doesn't do this, they just spread out their xp usage 18:49:14 on the other hand, maybe reduced XP, counterintuitively, means players are more likely to spread out, given the XP curve on improving low skill vs high skill 18:49:27 Brannock: how does that follow? 18:49:43 exponential costs for raising skill levels 18:49:55 diminishing returns 18:50:08 i know that. i don't see how that changes with the total amount of xp in the game 18:50:34 no, it doesn't, but I'm not convinced there's a relationship between being able to reasonably hybridize and the xp in the game 18:50:46 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:51 I was looking at this the other day, and getting a L6 dual-skill spell up isn't much more XP than getting a level 20 weapon skill 18:50:56 we don't know if status quo is that you can get everything 18:51:08 you can't, tho 18:51:19 you cannot get everything in a 3-rune game. 18:51:41 xp constraints have been imposed. this isn't 0.6! 18:51:43 sure... but you can get a lot: our decision to say how much is good 18:51:51 of course. i say, the current amount is pretty good 18:52:04 Not the total amount of XP, but the distribution. if I can expect to get 16 or 18 weapon skill after two runes, instead of before, then I'm more likely to stop at 10-12 skill and begin pumping up some spell schools instead of trying to struggle through S-branches while attempting to reach mindelay with no spells 18:52:08 based on, playing the game, and feeling compelled to make strategic xp decisions from d:1 to z:1 18:52:17 I agree current sit is good 18:52:23 Pleasingfungus: that's alright! So you say that, at least as far as xp is concerned, we should stop with the level cuts? 18:52:35 outside extended, yeah 18:52:54 or, if we want to cut more levels for game length reasons, we should increase xp (which we can do in a variety of ways) 18:52:58 well we can change xp values and cut levels, I feel the level cuts at this point would be about is..yes 18:53:02 gammafunk: o/ 18:53:05 o| 18:53:05 If we cut xp by, say, 10% in the 3-rune game I don't think it'd make a huge difference. It's still a pretty elastic budget for most chars. 18:53:08 nice hive mind...! 18:53:10 Pleasingfungus: this would've been a good opportunity to reply to Lasty who had a paragraph on 0.20 level cuts =) 18:53:13 that's me blocking the hi-five of a nerd 18:53:17 Lasty: yeah, that's what i said in my post. but as a general rule 18:53:23 dpeg: wow, a paragraph? where? 18:53:28 gammafunk: noooo :( 18:53:34 buried in his pages of text! 18:54:06 Of course, if we introduce more penalties for time passing, the amount of XP goes down too 18:54:18 Pleasingfungus: in my CRD post 18:54:25 Lasty: as a general rule, i think it'd be reasonable to shift from a design goal of "reduce levels and xp (we have too much)" to "the current amount of xp is roughly right, don't actively try to decrease or increase it dramatically (but, as always, don't sweat the small stuff) 18:54:35 xp does still feel pretty liberal to me, but I also agree that it doesn't feel like there's a glut of it, unless we decide we want to move difficulty in a higher direction (which we probably don't) 18:54:46 Pleasingfungus: seriously, that sentence alone would be an excellent c-r-d reply 18:54:50 consider new and new-ish players though 18:55:11 This is the type of strategic, overarching decision (or discussion) that I'd love would not only occur on ##crawl-dev 18:55:17 dpeg: being retired means i don't have to come up with thoughtful responses to huge crd emails 18:55:29 I admit I've been putting off replying to these emails 18:55:29 You're retired again? 18:55:30 it takes so much energy! 18:55:32 it's intimidating! 18:55:34 Lasty: never stopped, baby 18:55:38 . . . huh 18:55:44 he's an old person, in an old person's home 18:55:53 typing away rants on his computer! 18:56:02 Retired devs push new portal vaults that are intended to be new branches now/ 18:56:03 ? 18:56:04 :p 18:56:13 that was a relapse. i'm in recovery 18:56:31 salt was his bid for the nobel prize in literature 18:56:43 http://i.imgur.com/7UnmqlT.png see the flat line at the end? i'm getting better! 18:57:00 heh 18:57:04 always room for another big island in there... 18:57:13 anyway, I am happy to witness this discussion right now... I would've completely missed what our hive thinks. 18:57:13 heh, you can see the 2014 feature freeze in there too 18:57:28 dpeg: i'm very happy to have it with you! snark aside, i do feel bad about not replying to the two big emails. it's just... they're huge 18:57:29 dpeg: well this discussion is missing some notable people, as well! 18:57:43 gammafunk: yes, and I feel bad about that! 18:57:48 they can read the logs :P 18:58:08 Pleasingfungus: I've been sitting on my mail (the one about "dynamical monsters") for a long while, and I tried to keep it short and slim. :) 18:58:11 tells are like realtime participation in discussion 18:58:22 except less so 18:58:40 gammafunk: Henry Kissinger? 18:58:48 Lasty: and Dick Cheney 18:59:08 if someone now ways Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, I am going to puke 18:59:14 dpeg: re-skimming it now. the 'disappearing monsters' thing is something there was a gdd thread for a few months back. it's not a good idea 18:59:24 It's not? 18:59:27 it's not 18:59:31 minmay had a good writeup of why, iirc 18:59:34 glad we cleared that up 18:59:41 maybe i'll try to find the thread 18:59:53 Pleasingfungus: I cannot let that fly without an explanation. "Minmay said so" does not do it for me, sorry. 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:12 alright, some weird elf dream PMs for dpeg, I guess 19:00:16 you asked for it! 19:00:40 well, looking at your reasons 19:00:40 elven premenstrual syndrome? What have I done?? 19:00:47 Reason 3: It's not interesting to chase subpar monsters, just tedious. 19:00:58 ^ when does this happen? I haven't experienced this. 19:01:12 I have it all the time... the game even *spawns* tedious monsters to annoy me. 19:01:16 if you encounter a trivial monster, it ceases to exist almost instantly already. there's no effort at all 19:01:24 the zot ascent quokka... 19:01:30 still can't believe gammafunk brutally murdered it 19:01:31 it interrupts my autotravel and steals my time 19:01:40 it's more that subpar monsters just pop up to annoy, just to be clear 19:01:47 that's an autotravel bug, then 19:01:49 well, 'chasing' is a specific word 19:01:56 Zannick: i think it'd be a bug if autotravel ignored any monsters! 19:01:56 Yeah, lame monsters interrupting autotravel is irritating 19:02:11 Pleasingfungus: but it does! ...usually butterflies, right? 19:02:12 earthbound has a good approach to this 19:02:22 Pleasingfungus: it's only fair to give the orc priest a few shots at you 19:02:22 Brannock: what is it? 19:02:24 butterflies aren't really 'monsters' in the same sense :P 19:02:41 in Earthbound, if the monster is trivial, then you instantly kill it. 19:02:41 * Reason 1: Players can, and sometimes do, park harmless monsters for food or piety. (Death) yaks in Lair are an example. 19:02:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:52 like, on sight? 19:03:04 When the battle screen comes up 19:03:05 that'd be the only way to fix autoexplore 19:03:07 Brannock: that's also fine with me, but simply removing the monster has other advantages (my reasons 1 and 2, I hope) 19:03:10 parking death yaks for piety? 19:03:11 Oh, you mean in Crawl 19:03:12 Yeah 19:03:12 i'm talking about in crawl 19:03:18 gammafunk: yeah, i don't get that. does anyone do that? 19:03:27 maybe back when chei/fedhas didn't have piety decay? 19:03:32 seems like the travel time piety loss outweighs it 19:03:33 gammafunk: I know it has happened for blood and Vampires 19:03:44 i think that's a very vampire-specific issue 19:03:47 I've heard of it for vampires, yeah 19:03:48 vampires and dd, separately 19:03:50 have monsters run away 19:03:53 also for DD vamp draining 19:03:55 !banish Zannick 19:03:56 Pleasingfungus casts a spell. Zannick is cast into the Abyss! 19:04:04 and stop existing after leaving LOS 19:04:05 I was around for the fleeing monster days 19:04:10 please never bring it back. 19:04:22 Reason 2: If you want to make sure that you get to collect all the xp/piety off a level, you have to refrain from skipping it for a while. 19:04:49 I'm fine with that 19:05:00