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(D:14) 02:41:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:41:29 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:42:09 Sapher (L14 DEAs) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (D:14) 02:44:37 it's also in the ingame manual 02:49:01 right 02:49:11 but i was trying to show someone the design philosophy of the game 02:49:21 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:49:26 and i didn’t want to be like “download this and then find the manual” 02:53:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:03:48 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:49 -!- Elsi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:04:44 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:09:39 ??philosophy 03:09:40 philosophy[1/1]: Use the command "?N" in-game for some insight to design decisions. 03:09:45 hm 03:10:03 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:09 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-438-gf35dcae 03:14:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:24:27 -!- vev has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:33:09 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:01 -!- Danei_Prime has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:43:00 !messages 03:43:01 No messages for SteelNeuron. 03:50:33 -!- BarkLicker has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56:03 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:46 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56:47 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26:09 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:59 -!- Brannock has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:21 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:06 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:34:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:35:21 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:57 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:35:58 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 04:38:21 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:34 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:30 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:09 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:01:24 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 05:02:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:14:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:24:11 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:31:42 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:37 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 06:52:37 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:59:56 Is it okay to make an active ability take 0 auts (completely instant) or will it cause trouble when interacting with other mechanics? 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:42 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 07:07:25 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:04 -!- dulcina is now known as doll 07:18:23 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 07:25:50 SteelNeuron: pakellas had an instant ability 07:41:54 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:53:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:54:38 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:27 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:29 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15:59 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:23 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:37 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:20:45 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 08:23:36 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:23:59 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:57 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:33 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:08 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:36 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:46 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:30:50 -!- Bammboobies is now known as Bammboo 08:31:57 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:57 -!- TAS-2012v is now known as TAS_2012v 08:39:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:40:41 -!- Orange_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:40:50 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:51 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:47:50 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:52:56 -!- mibe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:56:40 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:57:34 SteelNeuron: see ash scrying, chei temporal distortion, among others 08:57:45 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:58:02 MarvinPA Good point, I'll try it out then 08:59:13 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:59:23 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:33 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:12:20 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:13:30 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:13:50 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:16:26 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:16:32 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:02 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:21:37 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:43 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22:53 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:07 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:28:36 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:55 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:35:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:49 -!- concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 09:46:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:52 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:55:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:57:58 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:17 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06:22 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:06:32 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:09:57 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:02 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:12:53 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:23:19 -!- doll has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:53:54 !lg * status~~sleep 10:53:56 36. TroubleDarcy the Brawler (L13 TrCK of Xom), annihilated by a guardian serpent (kmap: hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers) on Lair:6 on 2016-12-13 00:58:55, with 37532 points after 15816 turns and 1:13:40. 10:54:39 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:05 !lg * status~~sleep log 10:55:07 36. TroubleDarcy, XL13 TrCK, T:15816: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/TroubleDarcy/morgue-TroubleDarcy-20161213-005855.txt 11:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:06 ugh I've been away from dev too long, I tried to "make nice" and couldn't figure out what I needed to install to make it work 11:01:12 it's "nice make" 11:07:46 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-278-g49f15a8: Allow TSO followers to summon golden dragons (10845) 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49f15a8d6b2b 11:08:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:55 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:19:41 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:43 nice make dude 11:20:24 !lairendkills current trunk 11:20:38 Lair End kills (current trunk): 48x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (16.33%), 44x cheibrodos_lair_end_hotspot (14.97%), 35x evil_forest (11.90%), 29x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (9.86%), 27x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (9.18%), 24x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (8.16%), 21x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (7.14%), 21x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (7.14%), 20x wormcave (6.80%), 14x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_fore... 11:26:39 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:03 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:34:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:34 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39:26 -!- jeefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:57 .elrank current 11:41:58 869 games for * (lair ((cv<=0.18 lvl>1 lvl<8 || cv>0.18 lvl<6)) kmap!~~portal|stairs|entry|uniq|special|altar kmap!= current): 57x worms_lemuel, 37x zaba_antful_of_joy, 30x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 29x ice2_lemuel, 29x minmay_lair_oklob_chamber, 27x minmay_another_anthill, 24x hangedman_what_comes_after_a, 22x hangedman_lair_generics_rect, 21x grunt_forest_large_clearings, 21x zaba_anthell, ... 11:41:59 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:07 I bet it's the melia 11:42:18 !lg * current kmap~~zaba_antful s=cikiller% 11:42:19 56 games for * (current kmap~~zaba_antful): 45x an entropy weaver (80.36%), 6x a soldier ant (10.71%), 4x a queen ant (7.14%), a worker ant (1.79%) 11:42:25 oh right 11:42:27 entropy weavers 11:42:29 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:42:34 that's tough competition 11:42:49 wonder if that one will ever catch up to worms_lemuel 11:43:01 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:47:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:47:56 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:15 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:27 !vault zaba_antful_of_joy 11:48:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#L263 11:49:50 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:37 gammafunk: any opinions on http://sprunge.us/ICYG ? 11:51:27 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:52:13 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:03 MarvinPA: looks pretty nice 11:55:17 I was wondering at first if they needed a new sid, but perhaps they don't 11:55:26 you could argue for si/3 I guess 11:55:54 oh, and maybe recommendations 11:56:06 we should probably look at those a bit 11:56:21 wow I didn't realie they had ranged starts so recommended 11:56:39 but their recommended jobs aren't too bad after all 11:56:42 yeah, i think the current ones are still maybe okay? 11:56:58 dunno why FE in particular, could swap that or add some other elementalists perhaps 11:57:14 yeah 11:57:48 MarvinPA: are you of the opinion that HE should go? I have a single commit to do that in the basajaun branch, if you wanted to rebase that 11:57:54 or I could do it I guess 11:58:07 i'd still tend towards removing them i think, yeah 11:58:26 "huge, chunky creatures" is pretty funny phrasing 11:58:47 sounds like we're making a delicious (stone) soup with ogre meat 11:58:56 i'm messing around on another branch atm so you can go for it if you like, and i'll maybe push the ogre thing later tonight 11:58:58 heh 11:59:20 ok, I can take a look at the recommends if you don't, but even if I do, I'll be conservative 11:59:49 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:13 !lm . alive x=cv 12:00:17 57. [2016-12-02 06:59:44] [cv=0.19] gammafunk the Shatterer (L25 OgAs of Trog) entered a treasure trove on turn 97975. (Depths:1) 12:00:21 damn 12:00:25 thought it was trunk 12:00:47 would have been a clear nned to dump trog for sif if that commit got pushed 12:00:57 no late-game trog->sif switch for you 12:00:59 haha 12:01:09 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04:31 !apt evocations 12:04:31 Evo: Sp: 3!, DD: 3!, Ko: 2, Fe: 1, Op: 1, Dr[purple]: 1, Dr[pale]: 1, DE: 1, Fo: 1, HE: 0, Ds: 0, Dr: 0, Na: 0, HO: 0, Mf: 0, Hu: 0, Te: 0, Ha: 0, Ce: -1, Gh: -1, Vp: -1, Gr: -1, Dg: -1, Mi: -1, VS: -1, Mu: -2, Og: -2, Tr: -3* 12:04:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-278-g49f15a8 (34) 12:05:40 maybe I should get around to buffing 2HO and playing around with ogre pack placement 12:06:10 2HO? 12:06:17 oh 12:06:55 !stats ogcj 12:06:57 Starting stats for OgCj: Str 12 Int 14 Dex 10. Stat gain: s/3 12:08:21 wow help, i finally set up ccache and apparently it really does things 12:08:33 compiling is... fast now??? 12:08:59 it's all great until you touch enums.h 12:09:18 *enum.h 12:09:37 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-278-g49f15a8 (34) 12:09:37 enum.h thats where i get stuck too 12:20:51 oh I knew I was forgetting something else I had to set up, thanks MPA 12:22:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:57 -!- Dricus has quit [Client Quit] 12:23:40 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 12:26:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-279-g7481458: Mention J's pseudo-TRJ effect (Darox) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/748145810c5d 12:27:11 !tell pleasingfungus I just saw your wordpress comment on xtahua AC, v. good 12:27:11 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:27:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:32 !tell lasty you should ask canofworms about his Apocalypse strats sometime 12:27:32 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:27:32 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:27:38 alternately, !tell lasty_ 12:28:19 oh 12:28:25 !tell lasty nvm, he already talked to you about it! 12:28:25 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:29:33 !tell lobf https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.rst#n-philosophy-pas-de-faq 12:29:33 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lobf know. 12:30:55 is it normal for a lair entrance to be placed in the middle of a large door? 12:31:02 MarvinPA: i worry it might not be obviously sarcastic enough 12:31:08 rchandra: screenshot! 12:31:56 https://snag.gy/UKADZ4.jpg 12:32:04 well the subsequent comment is asking for the return of scroll burning and potion shattering and it's literally impossible to tell whether it's serious, so you're in good company at least 12:32:08 fsvo good 12:36:39 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:32 when in doubt, i assume all dumb suggestions are totally serious 12:37:52 generally works well 12:37:59 seems fair yes 12:37:59 -!- frd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:21 rchandra: wow, that's a weird lair entrance 12:38:24 wonder how that happened 12:39:20 do you also want a save/mantis ? 12:42:14 i personally don't think it's a big deal, just a curiosity. if you want it fixed, a save/mantis would help (save would let us see what vault(s) were involved) 12:42:16 oh, to be clear, you did step on those stairs, right? 12:42:21 yes 12:43:26 it's not a big deal per se, but it might lead back to entrances getting deleted or something 12:44:28 like 6894 12:46:26 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46:57 !bug 6894 12:46:57 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6894 12:47:23 well, that seems to have been something very different 12:51:04 on the topic of my old bugs, I think 7220 is closable 12:52:08 oh yeah, i saw that. 12:52:31 lair entrance placed in door 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10846 by rchandra 12:52:31 daddy_corpse is a good name 12:53:01 what happens if you swap rings and get 0-statted? or swap armour, for that matter 12:53:36 ah, like a str+6 ring is the only thing keeping you above water? I'll check it 12:54:08 I think it stops you, I played witha few things before commenting on it but I'll check that again 12:54:27 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:45 PleasingFungus: well now it just says "removing this item will reduce your str to zero or below" 12:56:59 but if you do say yes, you will finish the swap 12:57:12 so I guess that still happens 12:57:21 comment to that effect? for posterity 12:57:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:58:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:42 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:35 !tell johnny0 nice fix for 8343 13:05:36 rchandra: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 13:06:05 hmm i think somehow i managed to remove a param from your_spells despite adding more messy wand stuff there 13:06:11 very worrying, i wonder what this breaks 13:06:15 oh, thanks, you reminded me 13:07:24 also i think this is actually an okay refactor that i could just push, except i did it on top of weird wand stuff so i'd have to fix a million conflicts, oops 13:09:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-280-g7acc565: Fix spl-cast compile warnings 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 27+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7acc565776a6 13:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-279-g7481458 (34) 13:19:39 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:34 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 13:23:03 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:24:03 !lg * kmap~~giant_chief_lemuel 13:24:04 437. Esse the Fencer (L16 VSWn of Uskayaw), blasted by a frost giant (bolt of cold) on Orc:1 (Giant_Chief_Lemuel) on 2016-12-10 03:26:56, with 94823 points after 20595 turns and 1:34:22. 13:25:04 !lg * kmap~~giant_chief_lemuel br=depths 13:25:05 10. gedrah the Peltast (L18 MiMo of Qazlal), blasted by a frost giant (bolt of cold) (kmap: Giant_Chief_Lemuel) on Depths:3 on 2016-11-20 22:33:45, with 207888 points after 35742 turns and 3:50:55. 13:25:13 some things never change 13:29:56 Brannock: Lemuel killing people? 13:31:41 The other day we had this discussion about wands, rods etc. Can/should I put the results on the planning page? 13:31:58 Would be a pity if the yellow wands survived into 0.20 only because we forgot :) 13:32:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32:35 dpeg: i've been working on that a bit, i have some of the wand stuff done already (in particular hw/haste/tele removal) 13:33:06 MarvinPA: woo! 13:33:09 Very excited. 13:33:19 currently it's turning into a whole bunch of work and refactoring with the moving of rods->wands too, but that bit on its own is probably ready to go on its own if the rod stuff takes forever 13:33:27 s/on its own // 13:35:27 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:24 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:45:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0.2/20161129173726]] 13:46:28 MarvinPA, are we keeping some rods as evokable miscs? eg rod of lightning 13:46:52 that was the plan i think yeah, haven't thought about implementation details of that yet really 13:47:05 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:32 I'm a strong proponent of keeping rod of clouds as a misc, but that one seemed to have less vocal support 13:47:34 but the idea is clouds/iron to become wands, and lightning to become a misc item 13:52:09 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:21 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 13:58:13 I like that plan. The other rod I'm excited to find is inacc, but that's only because it's crazy strong if you know how to use it. I can see why it might be worth getting rid of. 13:58:25 ??rods 13:58:25 rods[1/1]: clouds, destruction, ignition, inaccuracy, lightning, shadows, iron, swarm 13:58:43 and swarm got removed a while back 13:58:45 also destruction 13:59:00 inacc and ignition were suggested as ones that would technically work fine as wands but yeah, i don't think either is all that exciting 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:04 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:00:49 it seems weird to me that we have both /lightning and \lightning at the moment. if we're changing rods around, why is \lightning the thing we're turning into a misc? could we unify instead? 14:01:12 well, rod of lightning in particular really wouldn't work as a wand 14:02:33 but yeah, i could see removing the wand if the rod effect stays around 14:03:50 -!- Nerem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:00 right, \lightning is a cool mechanic that doesn't translate to wands. /lightning seems kinda bland to me; it was my least favourite of all the bolt wands, and i'm sad it was the only one that stuck around (right?) 14:04:40 ??wands 14:04:40 wands[1/4]: Yay for wands. Wands use {evocations}. Higher evocation skill allows you to identify remaining charges and increases wand power. Can be recharged with scrolls of recharging. 14:04:42 the only of the old ones yeah, acid is a bolt 14:04:47 <|amethyst> it's not really bland (it bounces!), but it more or less exactly duplicates a spell 14:04:52 ??wands[2 14:04:52 wands[2/4]: Wand list: acid, confusion, digging, disintegration, enslavement, flame, hasting, heal wounds, iceblast, lightning, paralysis, polymorph, random effects, slowing, teleportation (15 total). 14:05:01 i mean it's more interesting than fire/cold/draining, but yeah, still just a spell 14:05:20 we could use with some more wands, imho 14:05:28 <|amethyst> is one or both of slowing/confusion going away? 14:05:31 especially since we're dropping three from that list, and possibly merging/removing another two 14:05:46 <|amethyst> they seem a little outclassed when paralysis and enslavement both exist 14:05:48 Lasty wanted to turn digging/disint into a wand of blasting 14:05:58 <|amethyst> (and AFAIK use the same MR check) 14:05:58 i don't see why we would need to add any more 14:06:05 and i'd be in favour of removing slowing too 14:06:33 10 is a whole bunch 14:07:39 could maybe merge confusion/slowing into "wand of debilitation" or somesuch, and scale effects to Evoc strength 14:08:06 if there is an interesting thing about slowing, it's that it has a spellpower boost compared to the other hexing wands 14:08:27 <|amethyst> ah, I hadn't realised that it has a spellpower boost 14:08:27 otherwise there's never a reason to carry /slowing vs, say, /confusion 14:08:39 <|amethyst> could combine that with Brannock's suggestion 14:08:44 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:09 <|amethyst> and scale the effect by how much it beats MR, rather than by evo power directly 14:09:14 yeah, that's good 14:09:16 could also give it malmutate and drain as effects 14:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-280-g7acc565 (34) 14:11:07 malmutate and drain are not very powerful effects without the damage component, i think 14:11:26 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:11:30 but paralysis is... 14:12:11 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:18 Well, the wand dosen't necessarily have to do only one effect 14:13:34 a confused, slowed, malmutated, drained monster is much less threatening 14:13:35 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:13:48 one effect *at a time, that is 14:15:43 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:15:53 is there a way to directly spawn a band in wizmode? 14:15:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:29 Oh, just "ogre mage band" does it 14:16:30 nice 14:17:29 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:17:39 !tell CanOfWorms Think you can take a shot at making two-headed ogres more visually distinct from regular ogres? Between the similiarities in weapons, colors, and silhouette, they don't exactly stand out in an ogre band 14:17:40 Brannock: OK, I'll let canofworms know. 14:20:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:23:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:48 -!- Nerem has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:50 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:32:09 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:38:12 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:43:28 /tele removal is interesting to me 14:43:49 What do you find interesting? 14:43:51 not so much for implications wrt silence but crawl is a very different game with less teleport 14:44:17 I was assuming we'd have corresponding increases in !haste/!hw/?tele 14:44:48 couple extra of each per game I think it worked out to? 14:44:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:45:02 I imagine we might have some more ?tele, but probably less available tele (by a significant amount) than compared to /tele + ?recharge 14:45:06 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:06 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:45:23 and this is overall good for the game 14:45:44 similar thing applies to /haste and /hw 14:45:46 fwiw I very rarely used /tele, but the games where I ran out of ?tele were memorable 14:45:59 Really had to dig deep in my bag of tricks to survive situations 14:46:14 well you rarely use it because you rarely ran out of ?tele, and yeah that's basically what I mean 14:46:23 games where you run out of tele will become more of a thing 14:46:36 people do underutilize (and poorly utilize) teleport 14:46:48 but that's true of all consumables, of course 14:47:08 it's good, since it helps my teleporter thing be more relevant 14:47:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:48:22 finally, when /hw is removed, we can rightly and decisively say the one thing that's been on people's minds 14:48:45 that we've been wanting to say but afraid to say because it's not quite felt to be truly appropriate 14:48:52 and that is "rip MuSu" 14:49:14 <|amethyst> "no device heal" can become "no potion heal" 14:49:34 |amethyst: no juice heal? 14:50:28 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:31 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:49 does elixer card work on VS? 14:50:51 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:50:59 ??elixir card 14:50:59 elixir card[1/1]: Restores health and/or magic over time, at a rate of 10% maxHP/MP per turn. Power 0: 10-30% health or 30-70% magic. Power 1: 30-50% health if at <50% HP, 100% magic otherwise. Power 2: 100% HP and MP. Found in deck of escape. 14:51:01 *elixir 14:51:44 I guess the idea is that it's pouring an elixier into your mouth 14:51:54 *elixir again 14:51:57 <|amethyst> looking over the code, I think it does 14:52:24 <|amethyst> it does 14:54:41 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 301 seconds] 14:55:57 <|amethyst> rip zapping haste/hw at allies, and tele at enemies 14:56:07 @??fire giant 14:56:07 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 78-112 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire++, 12drown | XP: 1809 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 14:56:08 @??frost giant 14:56:08 frost giant (12C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 85-123 | AC/EV: 9/3 | Dam: 35 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 12drown | XP: 1747 | Sp: b.cold (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 14:56:09 <|amethyst> (because those things happened all the time) 14:56:16 <|amethyst> I guess we still have the Teleport Other spell 14:57:27 wish we had a way to track how often spells are learned/used other than manual investigation of logs 14:57:49 a few spells are really underappreciated, eg Cause Fear 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:43 <|amethyst> !tell Medar CXC password reset request: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22428 15:03:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 15:04:51 |amethyst: korea will be up in arms about healing/hasting allies 15:05:55 !lg * recent s=src% !boring god!= o=% / beogh 15:06:00 5287/408302 games for * (recent !boring god!=): 1485/94711x cwz [1.57%], 211/13606x cpo [1.55%], 1477/98116x cbro [1.51%], 1171/93561x cao [1.25%], 154/13604x cjr [1.13%], 44/4513x lld [0.97%], 381/39679x cue [0.96%], 353/47131x cxc [0.75%], 11/3381x cdo [0.33%] 15:06:09 cwz doesn't have all that many more beogh games 15:06:18 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22436 this isn't a bad idea, and we do need to be better about offline usability 15:06:28 there was just a vocal minority of beogh players 15:06:29 <|amethyst> I'm wondering what's up with CBRO 15:06:38 wrt boegh? 15:06:46 <|amethyst> yeah, the other two > 1.5% are eastern hemisphere 15:06:49 I mean look at cao, it's not far behind 15:08:07 cwz players care a lot about: things affecting 15-rune games and removals in general 15:08:09 <|amethyst> IMO we need to do more about online usability, but there was a whole reddit thread about that a while back 15:08:13 hypothesis: the further away players get from Greenwich, the more desirable Beogh becomes 15:08:40 <|amethyst> European players don't play Beogh because they still remember WWII 15:12:17 %git 15:12:17 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-280-g7acc565: Fix spl-cast compile warnings 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 27+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7acc565776a6 15:12:59 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:54 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:02 just back from feeding kids and bedtime stories 15:25:06 MarvinPA: wow, excellent <3 15:27:30 |amethyst: I would be happy if people around me remembered WW2, but I'm afraid the wars have sort of faded from collective memory... it's painful to witness. 15:27:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30:53 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:20 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-281-g305f104: Remove hill giants 10(2 hours ago, 34 files, 43+ 72-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/305f104216d6 15:34:20 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-282-g4a29806: Buff two-headed ogres 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a298068cf70 15:34:20 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-283-g5be6507: Generate 2HO more frequently 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5be650752770 15:34:20 03Brannock02 07* 0.20-a0-284-g0034d1e: Buff ogre mage bands 10(70 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0034d1e37b75 15:35:07 rest in piece, one-headed ettins 15:35:07 CanOfWorms: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:35:07 FR: ogres grow a second head at XL21 15:35:12 !messages 15:35:12 (1/1) Brannock said (1h 17m 32s ago): Think you can take a shot at making two-headed ogres more visually distinct from regular ogres? Between the similiarities in weapons, colors, and silhouette, they don't exactly stand out in an ogre band 15:35:37 just give them brown robes like hill giants :v 15:35:53 2HO have an animal skin toga while regular ogres have loincloths 15:36:02 but because of the close similarity in color profile it's not very noticeable 15:36:09 are the colours so similar? in console they are distinct enough for me, and tiles usually does a good job of using the same colour markers as console 15:36:23 ??ogre 15:36:23 ogre[1/6]: Ogres have low accuracy and health, but can deal a lot of damage when they hit. It is a good idea to pick them off from a distance, using poisoned projectiles. Are notable for their slow attacks with giant (spiked) clubs. If you step away after it swings, you might create a gap. See also: {two-headed ogre} {ogre mage} and Unique {Erolcha}. 15:36:26 @??ogre 15:36:26 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 23-32 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 119 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 15:36:30 @??two-headed ogre 15:36:30 two-headed ogre (04O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-38 | AC/EV: 1/4 | Dam: 17, 13 | 10items, 10doors, two-weapon | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 279 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 15:37:00 !learn edit hill_giant s/net./net. Removed in 0.20./ 15:37:01 hill giant[1/1]: Big orange C with big orange clubs that hit for big orange damage and can be big orange trouble in melee. Sometimes carries a big orange throwing net. Removed in 0.20. 15:37:10 yeah I mean the main thing is that they have the same clothes 15:37:19 just recolouring the two headed ogre clothes should be fine 15:37:35 right, that's exactly what i guessed was already being done (not having looked) 15:37:40 amalloy, the issue is them in ogre mage bands, a bunch of ogres with large clubs means it's easy to overlook which has two heads and not 15:37:40 if not, sounds like a good change to me 15:38:00 Brannock: if they wear red pants instead of brown pants or whatever 15:38:17 sure 15:38:42 is what i was suggesting, and it sounds like you and CanOfWorms agree that would be a good change 15:39:08 @??hill giant 15:39:08 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 49-72 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 656 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:39:09 @??ettin 15:39:09 ettin (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 56-77 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Dam: 45, 45 | 10items, 10doors, two-weapon | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 1133 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:39:16 heh... colour inversion... 15:39:59 I remember we had ad iscussion about fixing that a couple months back 15:40:04 yeah 15:40:10 hill giants are more dangerous when you first encounter them than ettins are 15:40:29 so it's not unreasonable to invert the colours 15:40:41 -!- hollowman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:49 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:46:51 ogres are more dangerous when you first encounter them than two-headed ogres are, too 15:53:49 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:18 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:52 Lasty_: sent 15:59:17 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:30 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:08:48 dpeg: I'll expect to see it by the weekend 16:08:52 :) 16:09:16 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-284-g0034d1e (34) 16:09:45 dpeg: oh right, your CRD emails arrive instantly 16:10:05 dpeg: do I recall that someone needs to externally intervene in order to get mine to go through? 16:10:45 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:10:55 that would be me, but I didn't see your email yet 16:11:07 (Grunt and I get an email for each message sent to c-r-d) 16:11:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:12:03 ah, gotcha 16:12:20 some day I should switch over my email host to something less disreputable 16:13:19 -!- FinalBossDad_ has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:14:09 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:23:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:58 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:30:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-285-gea62d72: Remove some removed items from a vault 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ea62d72a5f15 16:35:23 MarvinPA: excellent commit message :) 16:38:51 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40:10 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:40:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:22 i like the dark blue change to trunk for my map, but can i get the messages that are now dark blue to go back to grey? 16:41:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:17 <|amethyst> you cannot... you could do it the other way around 16:42:26 <|amethyst> (map darkgrey and messages blue) 16:43:55 fwiw i'm in the same boat as twelwe. i have trouble telling a darkgrey . from a lightgrey ., but for actual text it is perfectly legible and i don't need the help 16:45:04 ok so..... in .19 is there a way to get the map dark blue? 16:45:10 I tinkered a bit with the console options, but to no avail yet. Needs a console color guide :) 16:45:41 <|amethyst> twelwe: colour.darkgrey = blue 16:46:15 I guess such a guide should be part of the 0.20 changelist (could be an extra text file) 16:47:31 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:32 this is what i wanted, yes, thanks! 16:51:15 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:50 there is *no* way to do this in trunk? 16:52:13 <|amethyst> the default in trunk is more or less what that setting does 16:52:44 <|amethyst> it changes (or is supposed to change) everything darkgrey to blue, not just the map 16:53:08 can i turn that off, and keep the colour.darkgrey = blue ? 16:53:22 <|amethyst> sure 16:53:29 <|amethyst> does that actually keep darkgrey messages? 16:53:35 <|amethyst> if so, I think that's a bug 16:53:46 -!- Fitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:54:19 <|amethyst> to make trunk behave mostly like 0.19 did, bold_brightens_foreground = true 16:54:49 <|amethyst> (there are still some changes to how e.g. brown-on-brown and yellow-on-brown are rendered) 16:55:04 -!- mroovka has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:56:43 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:46 i can`t get it to work. i`ll just stick to .19 with this added options line 16:57:03 <|amethyst> so, in 0.19 with that added option line 16:57:13 <|amethyst> are you saying that messages appear in darkgrey still? 16:57:20 yeah 16:57:42 colour.darkgrey = blue leaves the messages alone 16:57:49 <|amethyst> I am not seeing that here 16:58:00 <|amethyst> I add that setting in 0.19 and "Unknown command" is in blue 16:58:09 hang on, i`ll screenshot it 16:58:19 i'm on jorgrun.rocks if you want to spectate 16:59:37 stopped working! 16:59:42 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:12 <|amethyst> what we could do is add a new option for what colour out-of-sight squares shoud be 17:00:12 <|amethyst> s/oud/ould/ 17:00:43 <|amethyst> but I think the "no new options" mafia would complain 17:01:59 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:02:35 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:03:54 |amethyst: who are these people? 17:04:03 * dpeg prepares a horse head 17:04:08 I want to buff queen ants... but how? 17:04:25 queen bees get berserk, queen ants should have something that interacts with their cronies as well. hmm.. 17:04:51 <|amethyst> mass haste other 17:05:01 <|amethyst> I guess that's just wimpy berserk 17:05:29 @??soldier ant 17:05:29 soldier ant (00a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 1408(poison:12-24) | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 157 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:05:31 @??queen ant 17:05:31 queen ant (04a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 54-84 | AC/EV: 14/3 | Dam: 2004(strong poison:47-84) | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 879 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 17:06:00 @??queen bee 17:06:00 queen bee (13y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 30-45 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 2008(poison:14-28) | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 304 | Sp: berserk other [11!AM, 06!sil], berserk other [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 17:07:18 <|amethyst> Mass Acid Brand Other 17:08:02 nasty... 17:09:15 Brannock: a properly nasty effect would be bee stacking 17:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-285-gea62d72 (34) 17:09:25 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:33 bee colony?? 17:10:17 Brannock: under berserk, bees can stack on a square (a bit like slime creature merge) 17:10:30 a titanic swarm of bees 17:10:38 My heart will go on! 17:15:16 <|amethyst> Really, though... 17:15:38 <|amethyst> queen ants and queen bees shouldn't do much special 17:15:39 <|amethyst> other than spawning more ants and bees 17:15:40 <|amethyst> and not moving 17:16:21 oh that reminds me of something else I wanted to do 17:16:37 I wanted to make Upheaval override ally presence if the allies have low enough HD 17:16:45 to let stormcallers blast the player even if summoned drakes are near them 17:16:53 I think there was some code that did this for other monsters and Fireball? 17:18:06 <|amethyst> you might try tweaking foe_ratio 17:18:26 <|amethyst> but there's not currently a way to say "ignore things smaller than this", they just get weighted less 17:19:33 !source foe_ratio 17:19:33 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.h#L129 17:19:41 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:46 <|amethyst> !source mons_should_fire 17:19:47 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#L3628 17:21:15 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.20-a0-286-gae82e34: Unbrace 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae82e3445684 17:21:35 oops, should have caught that myself 17:21:39 thanks MPA 17:21:51 <|amethyst> basically, it takes the summed levels (HD) of the foes hit and the summed levels of the friends hit. If more than (foe_ratio)% of the total HD come from foes, it's willing to fire 17:21:55 <|amethyst> default is 80 17:22:27 <|amethyst> petrifying cloud and death rattle use 30 17:22:32 Brannock: make queen blink ants behind you under the premise of "burrowing" 17:22:37 Brannock: there's a pre-commit thing that catches those (that's something i only just got around to setting up too) 17:22:39 <|amethyst> orb of electricity and fire storm use random_range(40, 55) 17:23:07 !source docs/develop/git/pre-commit 17:23:09 Can't find docs/develop/git/pre-commit. 17:23:20 !source ../docs/develop/git/pre-commit 17:23:21 Bad filename: ../docs/develop/git/pre-commit 17:23:27 well anyway it's there 17:23:28 <|amethyst> !source develop/git/pre-commit 17:23:29 Can't find develop/git/pre-commit. 17:23:39 <|amethyst> hm, I was sure there was a way to get things under docs 17:23:44 <|amethyst> !source !source 17:23:44 Can't find !source. 17:23:48 <|amethyst> !cmd !source 17:23:48 Built-in: !source => https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/commands/source.pl 17:24:35 <|amethyst> I guess I was mistaken, that looks like it uses $source_dir everywhere 17:26:19 <|amethyst> I should probably set that up 17:27:05 <|amethyst> I just have running ctags 17:28:05 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:36 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-439-g11acacc: Add piety sink through ability to keep divines alive 10(in the future, 7 files, 67+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/11acacc5950c 17:36:44 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-440-g05b37ed: Strengthen wrath 10(in the future, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05b37ed32731 17:36:47 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:38:03 <|amethyst> hm, that "random_choose(MONS_STORM_DRAGON, MONS_IRON_DRAGON)" makes me think 17:38:23 <|amethyst> should we change more of the coinflip() ? a : b things to use random_choose instead? 17:38:30 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:38:51 |amethyst: please do. i'm the one who did that for dragon's call 17:39:24 <|amethyst> random_choose is less efficient (it has to make an array), but I doubt that's relevant anywhere we use it 17:39:40 <|amethyst> since huge changes to the RNG don't seem to have any effect on performance :) 17:40:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:40:47 hmm, why does line pass use explosive bolt in its targeter 17:41:53 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-441-g34d3fd9: Make weapon recall instant and increase cost 10(in the future, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34d3fd9cd190 17:41:53 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-442-g6f2facf: Further intensify wrath against thieves 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f2facf31d0f 17:42:31 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:34 Lasty_: crd mail got in! 17:43:02 -!- kdrnic has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:03 <|amethyst> "confuse_player(coinflip() ? 3 : 2);" 17:44:20 how confusing 17:44:21 <|amethyst> maybe that should be div_rand_round(5, 2) instead? 17:45:00 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:45 |amethyst: more important imo is that coinflip() ? x : y discourages making changes to include a third option or re-weight the options, whereas with random_choose you can easily enough add a third or switch to random_choose_weighted 17:46:25 <|amethyst> obv need triangleflip() ? x : y : z; 17:46:36 goodness 17:47:02 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-442-g3f2221c: Further intensify wrath against thieves 10(in the future, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f2221ce2591 17:47:06 <|amethyst> could rename random_choose entirely 17:47:15 <|amethyst> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (a, b, c, d) 17:47:47 <|amethyst> hm 17:48:48 <|amethyst> btw, it would be nice of all those random_foo functions could be parameterised to tell them which of our two RNGs to use 17:49:26 <|amethyst> probably with something like random_choose(x, y) 17:49:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:45 <|amethyst> since you could default the template parameter to to avoid bloating the existing calls 17:49:50 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:06 !tell marvinpa er, is ea62d72a5f15 supposed to be in trunk? 17:50:07 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 17:50:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: note what it removed 17:50:33 sure 17:50:33 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:50:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: rod of destruction and wand of draining 17:50:53 i honestly didn't remember rod of destruction being removed 17:50:54 (destroyed?) 17:51:19 ah, february 17:51:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:51:26 so much for my much-vaunted memory 17:53:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:52 MarvinPA: sorry for the bother! 17:54:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:03 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:43 Lasty: ranged combat idea #13857: reduce damage for monsters within 1(/2?) radius of the player 18:05:01 ? 18:05:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:18 The build has errored. (master - ae82e34 #7378 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/183747128 18:05:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:05:32 alexjurkiewicz: that just means more weapon-switching tho 18:05:32 Lasty: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:06:11 Another one that hasn't come up lately is: fixed range that's smaller than LOS 18:06:27 "reduce players' ranged weapon damage against monsters within [??] of the player"? 18:08:25 heh....your "much-vaulted" memory 18:08:33 Lasty: is that a bad thing? cf. bloodborne 18:08:48 having said that, I sort of thought your EQ_LAUNCHER idea involved meaning not having to swap to your launcher 18:09:12 alexjurkiewicz: oh, would that be in combination w/ other reforms? 18:09:20 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-286-gae82e34 (34) 18:10:38 alexjurkiewicz: bloodborne, being a realtime game, has very different design constraints from crawl 18:10:42 Lasty: oh yeah, definitely, it's not enough by itself. I like pretty much all your ideas 18:10:59 also i'm still very confused by what a radius is 18:11:04 PleasingFungus: hmmm, I thought the game was literally identical 18:11:07 ah, yeah, in that case seems ffine :) 18:11:16 i wish i had a ps4... 18:11:53 clearly you gotta put in more crawl dev hours until you earn one. 18:12:22 i feel like that might take a while. 18:12:59 if anyone has a PC and hasn't played the dark souls games I strongly recommend them 18:13:00 once we get on steam, ps4 is next 18:13:14 Brannock: or a ps3/4 18:13:28 I've seen a lot of dark souls, but seems like I can get better gameplay from roguelikes 18:13:42 just not as much presentation and not realtimey 18:13:43 yeah, and doom is way better than civilization 18:14:07 and have i mentioned how much shittier oranges are than apples? 18:14:19 I like blue better than the moon 18:14:32 thanks for the memes fam 18:14:35 bad news for a certain wizlab... 18:14:55 but good news for johnnyzerocrawl, in which every console colour is replaced with darkblue! 18:14:56 really good memes in this chat tonite 18:14:59 gammafunk: I'm here for that and nothing else 18:15:07 gammafunk: don't have to be bitter because you got 'owned', 'fam' 18:15:07 well that's all you'll find! 18:15:17 basically 'pure domination' rn 18:15:20