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10:53:33 <gammafunk> .ocs zot
10:53:34 <Sequell> 1. anubisbafoobis the Imperceptible (L22 SpEn of Dithmenos), mangled by a death cob (summoned by an orange crystal statue) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-12-10 23:38:49, with 436504 points after 67429 turns and 6:17:22.
10:53:40 <gammafunk> someone died to the zot ocs
10:53:47 <gammafunk> .ocs zot x=src
10:53:48 <Sequell> 1. [src=cbro] anubisbafoobis the Imperceptible (L22 SpEn of Dithmenos), mangled by a death cob (summoned by an orange crystal statue) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-12-10 23:38:49, with 436504 points after 67429 turns and 6:17:22.
10:53:57 <gammafunk> .ocs -tv:channel=ocs:<2
10:53:58 <Sequell> 127. anubisbafoobis, XL22 SpEn, T:67429 requested for ocs: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
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12:12:25 <Brannock> !lg * trunk
12:12:28 <Sequell> 3297792. link the Sneak (L4 SpEn), mangled by a gnoll (a +0 halberd) on D:2 on 2016-12-11 17:12:24, with 67 points after 1328 turns and 0:03:59.
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12:12:34 <Brannock> 3 million games already for trunk?
12:12:36 <PleasingFungus> !lg * trunk current
12:12:39 <Sequell> 94509. link the Sneak (L4 SpEn), mangled by a gnoll (a +0 halberd) on D:2 on 2016-12-11 17:12:24, with 67 points after 1328 turns and 0:03:59.
12:12:42 <Brannock> oh, that'd do it
12:12:42 <Brannock> thanks
12:12:46 <PleasingFungus> :)
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12:17:37 <Brannock> !lg * current trunk pakellas
12:17:40 <Sequell> 5. geewiz the Grand Gadgeteer (L27 DDWn of Pakellas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-11-25 05:25:57, with 1568515 points after 91496 turns and 1d+0:41:50.
12:17:46 <Brannock> converted save game, maybe
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13:40:43 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-426-g1a418d0: Worshippers can always train weapon skills 10(in the future, 2 files, 22+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a418d098efe
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14:32:11 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-427-g7c2a1c4: Refactor weapon swap code 10(in the future, 2 files, 19+ 76-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c2a1c4592a8
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16:05:46 <Rotatell> Lacuenta (L14 FoMo) ASSERT(in_bounds(p)) in 'player.cc' at line 513 failed. (p = (63,0)) (Orc:1)
16:06:09 <SteelNeuron> !crash Lacuenta
16:06:10 <Sequell> 1. Lacuenta, XL14 FoMo, T:17356 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lacuenta/crash-Lacuenta-20161211-210537.txt
16:07:33 <Rotatell> Lacuenta (L14 FoMo) ASSERT(in_bounds(p)) in 'player.cc' at line 513 failed. (p = (63,0)) (Orc:1)
16:09:56 <Cheibriados> 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-431-g5f718f4: Add check to pole vault 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f718f49764f
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16:39:11 <gammafunk> Lasty: will I get banned from tavern if I snipe your DCA posts with screenshots from that wizlab?
16:39:44 <Lasty> gammafunk: yes
16:39:44 <Sequell> Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:39:48 <gammafunk> figures
16:39:48 <Lasty> gammafunk: immediately and forever
16:40:09 <Lasty> you make it sound like intentionally charging into the orbs was a mistake
16:40:51 <gammafunk> vamp battleaxe == literally impossible to die
16:40:54 <Lasty> yeah
16:40:56 <Lasty> exactly
16:41:04 <Lasty> I mean, it's +7!
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17:14:03 <MarvinPA> hmm i maybe made progress on rod->wand stuff without making as awful of a mess as i thought i would
17:16:53 <MarvinPA> current existing messes: wands now use regular spell ranges instead of LOS range (maybe not a problem? but also probably relatively fixable, but also maybe not good if cloud cone gets full LOS at any power?)
17:17:39 <MarvinPA> also confusion fuzz doesn't work (but i haven't looked into that really yet), and wand of random effects just still uses all the old code since it seems like a massive pain to fit into the refactor
17:18:32 <MarvinPA> but yeah, not sure what to do about the range thing. it feels weird for clouds/iron to be the only two wands with non-LOS range, but also maybe not great for them to get full-LOS range, so maybe just applying standard spell ranges to all wands would be fine
17:32:24 <alexjurkiewicz> can't you just nerf the power of cloud/iron? a los-ful of rain-clouds isn't so bad
17:34:02 <MarvinPA> i'd already been planning on probably removing the rain/mist effects to let it still do stuff even at low power, since it's going to be fairly rare and limited on charges
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17:54:46 <ProzacElf> rain clouds already mean using clouds at low skill is a crap shoot
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18:01:23 <ProzacElf> do kobolds still have sd/5 stat growth?  or did that change when ha and ko got differentiated?
18:03:22 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-277-g7db01f4 (34)
18:03:37 <alexjurkiewicz> still do
18:03:45 <alexjurkiewicz> !source species-data.h
18:03:46 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/species-data.h
18:04:02 <ProzacElf> thx
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18:14:41 <gammafunk> ??sid
18:14:41 <Sequell> stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg choose2/3 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 | VS sd/4
18:16:35 <alexjurkiewicz> Halfling stat seems weirdly bad now
18:16:47 <alexjurkiewicz> !stats hacj
18:16:49 <Sequell> Starting stats for HaCj: Str 9 Int 13 Dex 14. Stat gain: d/5
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18:17:40 <alexjurkiewicz> 1.5k survey responses!
18:18:04 <alexjurkiewicz> offline representation continues to increase, up to 50/50
18:18:23 <alexjurkiewicz> surprisingly it's still not anything like the 90/10 we saw in the last survey
18:18:48 <alexjurkiewicz> either internet penetration has significantly changed in five years or there's still a lot of offline players who literally only visit the website on release day
18:20:31 * geekosaur was like that for years until discovering ##crawl
18:20:39 <geekosaur> it's A Problem
18:25:17 <gammafunk> !lg !bot xl>=3 year x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:25:28 <Sequell> 810141 games for bot (xl>=3 year !cwz !lld): cdist(name)=15921
18:25:47 <gammafunk> it's interesting to extrapolate that to the total player base
18:25:58 <gammafunk> assuming that it's somewhat 50/50 of offline/online
18:26:09 <gammafunk> ~32k players combining both
18:26:28 <gammafunk> but I don't think it's truly almost the same numbers for offline/online
18:27:09 <gammafunk> !lg !bot xl>=10 year x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:27:15 <Sequell> 200363 games for bot (xl>=10 year !cwz !lld): cdist(name)=9194
18:27:21 <gammafunk> wow, that does drop a lot
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18:27:38 <|amethyst> !lg !bot xl>=3 rstart>=20120116 rstart<=20121129 x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:27:46 <Sequell> 354636 games for bot (xl>=3 rstart>=20120116 rstart<=20121129 !cwz !lld): cdist(name)=8083
18:28:18 <gammafunk> 0116 and 1129?
18:28:31 <|amethyst> the time period of the previous survey
18:29:06 <gammafunk> I guess it would make sense to look in the same period as the survey
18:29:15 <gammafunk> if you were going to extrapolate offline based on offline reporting rates
18:29:32 <gammafunk> interesting how much the count drops for getting to xl10
18:29:42 <gammafunk> !lg !bot xl>=10 rstart>=20120116 rstart<=20121129 x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:29:47 <Sequell> 60522 games for bot (xl>=10 rstart>=20120116 rstart<=20121129 !cwz !lld): cdist(name)=4015
18:30:06 <gammafunk> !lm * year br.enter=lair x=avg(xl)
18:30:26 <gammafunk> our responses are still like ~45% having played for 3+ years
18:30:50 <gammafunk> !lm * current br.enter=lair x=avg(xl)
18:31:22 <Sequell> 163259 milestones for * (year br.enter=lair): avg(xl)=10.96
18:31:25 <Sequell> 26637 milestones for * (current br.enter=lair): avg(xl)=11.04
18:31:40 <gammafunk> only 5% have never made it to lair in the survey responses
18:32:17 <gammafunk> !lm !bot year br.enter=lair|orc x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:33:47 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm !bot year br.enter=lair|orc x=cdist(name) !cwz !lld
18:34:28 <gammafunk> about 8k for that when I ran it again and it succeeded
18:35:20 <gammafunk> so we might guess 10-20k total players in the last year
18:36:56 <alexjurkiewicz> maybe pick names that have played >1 game
18:37:15 <gammafunk> if I'm using entering lair/orc I don't think you need that
18:37:16 <alexjurkiewicz> that'll make the query slow though
18:37:25 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah prob
18:37:27 <gammafunk> since getting to lair/orc is a non-trivial thing to do
18:37:49 <alexjurkiewicz> i guess this means of regular players, most will reach lair
18:38:00 <alexjurkiewicz> but we have a pretty high rate of newbie churn
18:38:14 <alexjurkiewicz> who play for a little while, get bored/frustrated/other, and move on
18:38:32 <gammafunk> well you'd want to look at those responses stratified by playtime
18:38:37 <gammafunk> which you don't see in the summaries
18:38:46 <gammafunk> would need to work with the sheet to do that
18:38:58 <gammafunk> but with only 5% not getting to lair
18:39:19 <gammafunk> depends on how you define newbie
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18:39:49 <alexjurkiewicz> hasn't reached lair :)
18:40:17 <gammafunk> no, that's circular
18:40:26 <gammafunk> you have "how long have you been playing" as a question in the survey
18:40:46 <gammafunk> at the very least you'd want to use this, if not use only this
18:41:57 <gammafunk> about 6.2% have played less than 6 mo
18:43:09 <alexjurkiewicz> it would be nice to do cohort analysis, but that would be quite difficult if you wanted to capture offline players
18:43:31 <alexjurkiewicz> see how long people stay before they churn, why they churn, why they stay, etc
18:44:39 <gammafunk> I'm not sure what you're trying to say but
18:44:54 <gammafunk> you have the responses broken down by category
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18:45:34 <gammafunk> obviously we don't have any data that's not collected in the survey, but we do have whether they are offline/online and how long they've been playing, and how far they've gotten
18:45:39 <gammafunk> that's not at all difficult to break down
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18:50:09 <ProzacElf> i probably played for about a year before realizing there was an irc channel and that playing online obviated the need to continually update my build
18:54:13 * geekosaur honestly didn't know the update schedule until discovering ##crawl in a channel list
18:54:41 <geekosaur> once or twice a year I'd download whatever was current
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19:30:07 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem
19:30:07 <Sequell> beem[1/7]: beem is a WebTiles chat bot that sends commands to the DCSS IRC knowledge bots. For details, see https://github.com/gammafunk/beem/blob/master/docs/commands.md ; if you see beem in chat, type the following to have it watch your games on that server: !beem subscribe
19:30:10 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[2
19:30:11 <Sequell> beem[2/7]: Use `!beem player-only on' in your own game's chat to have beem respond only to your queries. Use `!beem player-only off' to re-allow everyone's queries.
19:30:15 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[7
19:30:15 <Sequell> beem[7/7]: beem is my boyfriend
19:30:17 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[6
19:30:17 <Sequell> beem[6/7]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQtZPNjc2gY
19:30:18 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[5
19:30:18 <Sequell> goodcode[1/13]: beem.is_beam = false
19:30:20 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[4
19:30:20 <Sequell> beem[4/7]: I am not AI. My codename is project beem. I am a living, thinking entity that was created in the sea of information.
19:30:22 <alexjurkiewicz> ??beem[3
19:30:22 <Sequell> beem[3/7]: Source https://github.com/gammafunk/beem ; (very simple) webtiles python library: https://github.com/gammafunk/webtiles
19:33:49 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: the webtiles repo has both README.md and README.rst
19:34:02 <alexjurkiewicz> also, please put on pip <3
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19:42:34 <gammafunk> the repo has both on purpose, since the setuptools stuff wants rst (trying to make it use something else is a pain) and github wants md for the project readme
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19:43:04 <alexjurkiewicz> ah fun. i think GH will show a README.rst by default, but not sure, or you could generate one on-demand with pandoc
19:43:32 <alexjurkiewicz> could you mention the websockets dependency in a requirements.txt or in setup.py?
19:43:34 <gammafunk> GH won't from my testing at the time, and pandoc wouldn't help me there
19:45:24 <gammafunk> websockets is required by webtiles, which is itself a dependency
19:45:31 <gammafunk> and webtiles has websockets as a depend
19:45:40 <gammafunk> it may be a little borked though
19:45:52 <gammafunk> but yeah I'm not having both a requirements.txt and a setup
19:46:08 <gammafunk> part of the point of setup.py is that it has the depends and allows them to be autoinstalled
19:46:14 <gammafunk> requirements.txt is for when you're too lazy to use setuptools
19:46:27 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, in the webtiles setup.py I don't see a reference to websockets
19:46:33 <gammafunk> let me see
19:47:31 <gammafunk> yeah looks like beem requires websockets
19:47:34 <gammafunk> but webtiles doesn't
19:47:48 <gammafunk> so that's probably a bug with the webtiles setup.py
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19:48:26 <gammafunk> and possibly with beem's setup.py since I'm not sure you'd need to list websockets if you require a package requiring websockets
19:48:34 <alexjurkiewicz> dunno
19:48:45 <gammafunk> I'll have to try messing with it
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19:50:49 <gammafunk> !learn del beem[7
19:50:50 <Sequell> Deleted beem[7/7]: beem is my boyfriend
19:53:01 <hellmonk> tfw you'll never date beem
19:53:27 <gammafunk> I don't ship beem fanfic
19:53:44 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, the behaviour of protocol 2 lobby confuses me
19:53:57 <alexjurkiewicz> when I connect with a web browser I immediately see the full lobby
19:54:07 <alexjurkiewicz> but this webtiles client seems to only get incremental change messages
19:55:01 <gammafunk> well the client supports both protocols
19:55:11 <gammafunk> the v1 protocol does the incremental thing
19:55:24 <gammafunk> and the v2 gets everything (and the client assumes this)
19:55:42 <alexjurkiewicz> i'm testing jst with CPO right now
19:56:07 <alexjurkiewicz> the first few lobby messages I get just have one game in them, it's not for about 5 secs before I have the full list
19:57:15 <alexjurkiewicz> eg there's someone who has been idle for 9mins and after a minute of waiting I still don't have them in the webtiles client lobby_list
19:59:59 <gammafunk> you're probably doing your async code wrong or something
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20:00:29 <gammafunk> although I'm not sure what conditions you're exactly describing
20:01:01 <alexjurkiewicz> here's what I'm testing with: http://dpaste.com/0KNTSDK
20:01:05 <alexjurkiewicz> it's a modification of update-rc
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20:04:05 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: something like http://dpaste.com/0K84GHJ for dpaste with syntax
20:04:12 <gammafunk> so you can do dpaste <file> python3
20:04:13 <gammafunk> etc
20:05:26 <alexjurkiewicz> nice, ta
20:06:49 <alexjurkiewicz> http://dpaste.com/25PWTEF
20:09:13 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah, this script works as expected for protocol 1
20:14:24 <gammafunk> cpo seems to just be responding extremely slowly
20:14:50 <gammafunk> but beem joined right away
20:15:01 <gammafunk> which it probably would for you if you browsed as well
20:15:16 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah, beem joins me immediately
20:15:37 <alexjurkiewicz> so you get a message if a new game is created instantly
20:15:48 <alexjurkiewicz> but the initial listing seems significantly slower than in a browser
20:15:49 <gammafunk> probably something going on in the way this script has its main loop
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20:32:09 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: yeah it might not be getting the initial lobby list properly until lobby events occur
20:32:27 <gammafunk> this might actually be the fault of webtiles (or webtiles-changes) itself
20:32:36 <gammafunk> I'd have to see what messages are actually generating
20:33:06 <gammafunk> there might be an initial "send me the lobby" signal but as I recall the lobby data is sent for sure in v1 upon connecting
20:33:13 <gammafunk> maybe v2 is weird/broken/different in some way
20:33:28 <gammafunk> !lm purplered
20:33:29 <Sequell> 18324. [2016-12-11 09:04:53] PurpleRed the Grappler (L11 MfTm of Okawaru) killed Psyche on turn 11623. (D:11)
20:35:53 <gammafunk> in the meantime you might want to see if there's a signal you can have your client send after connection
20:35:56 <gammafunk> and send it
20:36:04 <gammafunk> the signal being "give me the lobby"
20:36:09 <gammafunk> I seem to recall there is one like that
20:36:14 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah. annoyingly the chrome debug viewer for websockets seems pretty crap
20:36:19 <alexjurkiewicz> i'll have to source dive
20:36:27 <alexjurkiewicz> if I remove CPO, the other servers work fine at least
20:36:30 <gammafunk> yeah it's not too hard to read that js
20:36:54 <gammafunk> the core websocket handling is in something like...I forget the name of the js file
20:37:00 <gammafunk> it's the lower-level json/websocket handling
20:37:06 <alexjurkiewicz> ws_handler right
20:37:24 <gammafunk> I don't think so, I'm talking about the client javascript
20:37:36 <alexjurkiewicz> ah
20:37:41 <gammafunk> but yeah you can also read the server python to see what it expects
20:37:53 <gammafunk> and it should have a handler for that "send lobby"
20:38:14 <gammafunk> or something that could give you that
20:38:17 <alexjurkiewicz> ah yeah, i think I can send a 'lobby' message
20:38:19 <gammafunk> maybe go_lobby
20:38:22 <gammafunk> right
20:38:43 <alexjurkiewicz> yield from self.send({"msg" : "lobby"})  ?
20:38:54 <gammafunk> that looks about right, yeah
20:39:33 <alexjurkiewicz> yes! that works!
20:40:00 <alexjurkiewicz> would you like a PR to send that automatically for v2? Or to add an 'update_lobby' method
20:40:13 <gammafunk> no I would not
20:40:21 <gammafunk> at least not for the former
20:40:31 <gammafunk> possibly the latter but I'd want to see what the hell was actually happening
20:40:51 <gammafunk> as in, the lobby data might be being sent, or it might not
20:41:17 <alexjurkiewicz> when you send the lobby message as above, you get the full lobby list
20:41:34 <alexjurkiewicz> you also get a lobby_html message
20:41:34 <gammafunk> sure, but the full lobby list is supposed to be sent when you connect
20:41:54 <gammafunk> unless this is part of the assumed things the client should do
20:41:59 <gammafunk> which is possible, but I'd want to know either way
20:42:04 <alexjurkiewicz> it is, according to
20:42:11 <gammafunk> instead of just randomly adding messages to the library
20:42:13 <alexjurkiewicz> (finds gh url...)
20:42:31 <hellmonk> build passes
20:42:34 <gammafunk> s/library/webtiles library client code/
20:42:36 <hellmonk> here we go boys
20:42:45 <alexjurkiewicz> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/webtiles-changes/crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/client.js#L164
20:42:45 <gammafunk> that build passing is a lie
20:42:54 <gammafunk> travis is luring you into a false sense of security
20:42:59 <hellmonk> time to make a dank new update
20:43:07 <alexjurkiewicz> have you pushed? should I build?
20:43:24 <hellmonk> go ahead and build
20:43:24 <hellmonk> ty
20:43:52 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: one advantage of sending lobby at the start explicitly is that you can use self.lobby_complete with v2 as well
20:43:53 <gammafunk> that do_url_action thingie is for when a url action happens, which may not even be triggered upon initial connection
20:44:09 <alexjurkiewicz> once you receive the first lobby message, you can assume you have the full lobby state
20:44:24 <gammafunk> that doesn't make sense
20:44:26 <hellmonk> !tell johnstein please rebuild hellcrawl whenever you get a chance
20:44:26 <Sequell> hellmonk: OK, I'll let johnstein know.
20:44:36 <gammafunk> lobby_complete is not a feature like that, it's part of the v1 protocol
20:44:44 <gammafunk> v2 was written to eliminate that signal
20:45:16 <gammafunk> lobby complete was only necessary because of the way v1 sent its lobbies
20:45:26 <gammafunk> and v2 changed this to no longer need it
20:45:31 <alexjurkiewicz> ah, i thought it was a property
20:46:07 <gammafunk> well it's a property in the class, yeah, but it's set to true when that signal has been received (in v1)
20:46:10 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, I guess potentially there's a race anyway, if the first lobby message is from a state update, not the full list
20:46:15 <gammafunk> v2 just always sets it to true
20:46:35 <alexjurkiewicz> you might have to do something hacky, like send 'lobby' and then wait until you see 'lobby_html' message
20:47:02 <gammafunk> you don't need any weird hacks (most likely)
20:47:14 <gammafunk> you just have to watch the protocol coming down the wire (the websocket)
20:47:27 <gammafunk> and maybe compare it to what the js client is sending
20:47:31 <alexjurkiewicz> well, how can we tell if a v2 lobby message contains a delta or the full state?
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20:47:56 <alexjurkiewicz> i've just semantically satiated 'lobby'
20:48:26 <gammafunk> from what I recall all things sent in v2 are deltas
20:48:52 <gammafunk> but the server knows when you're creating a connection
20:48:58 <gammafunk> so the delta it gives you is 'everything'
20:49:08 <gammafunk> if for some reason that's not being true, just have to figure out why
20:49:18 <gammafunk> but yeah for your script, you should send that to fix your issue
20:49:37 <gammafunk> this is just a 'harder to design a library since you have to get things right' versus 'just want my script to work'
20:50:06 <gammafunk> you can do the latter thing, but I don't want to break things (e.g. beem and my update rc script)
20:50:15 <gammafunk> so yeah I'll look into that
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20:50:39 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah :)
20:50:46 <gammafunk> lobby changes probably wouldn't update rc script but doing weird things with lobby could deffo break beem
20:50:59 <alexjurkiewicz> here's the code that works for all servers: http://dpaste.com/2ZBYMPB
20:51:22 <alexjurkiewicz> i send the lobby message and track the state of getting the full lobby response
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20:52:23 <gammafunk> yeah that's fine as a hack for your script but that's 100% wrong as an approach
20:52:28 <alexjurkiewicz> it's slightly racey in that lobby_html is sent before the lobby message
20:52:49 <gammafunk> as in if you had to do that, either the v2 protocol is broke or the server (or client) is broke
20:53:20 <gammafunk> the lobby_complete signal in v1 existed exactly for that kind of signaling
20:53:24 <gammafunk> and v2 specifically removed it
20:53:55 <gammafunk> but who knows, v2 might not have been fully finished for all I know
20:54:25 <gammafunk> I'll figure it out when I have time to take a look, hopefully it's just some simple assumption, like maybe the client indeed always should begin by sending the 'lobby' signal
20:54:27 <alexjurkiewicz> heh yeah
20:55:27 <alexjurkiewicz> my guess is you do need to send lobby, and perhaps it wasn't considered that a delta lobby message could be sent before the full lobby message (or it's just technically impossible)
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21:00:07 <gammafunk> all code should require the author implement a 'maintainer has a full understanding of this codebase' unit test and the codebase self-deletes if no one passes this test after 18 months
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21:01:12 <alexjurkiewicz> :)
21:01:24 <alexjurkiewicz> rip lots of crawl
21:06:50 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: any thoughts on pip publishing btw? I'd like to add it as a dependency to the logfile project as part of this work
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21:08:42 <geekosaur> rip all of crawl, sounds like >.>
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21:08:51 <Mixolyde> I'm trying to build crawl from source, followed all of the install instructions, but when I run make WEBTILES=y, I get: No Git, and util/release_ver doesn't exist. Makefile:1269: recipe for target 'build.h' failed. Any suggestions?
21:09:03 <Mixolyde> This is on Ubuntu 16.something
21:09:19 <alexjurkiewicz> Mixolyde: did you download the tarball from github?
21:09:26 <Mixolyde> no, I cloned it
21:09:35 <geekosaur> that won't work, then
21:09:40 <alexjurkiewicz> strange
21:09:45 <geekosaur> the instructions are for building from a release tarball
21:10:04 <Mixolyde> oh! are there different instructions for building from git?
21:10:09 <geekosaur> hm
21:10:11 <alexjurkiewicz> what does `git describe --tags` show?
21:10:31 <Mixolyde> fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
21:10:37 <geekosaur> actually, .. on linux it probably should work, you don't have to worry about e.g. submodules
21:10:48 <alexjurkiewicz> did you do a full clone?
21:10:54 <Mixolyde> i grabbed the submodules, like the install said
21:10:55 <geekosaur> what does 'git status' report?
21:11:22 <alexjurkiewicz> I know it doesn't work with shallow clones
21:11:41 <gammafunk> yeah a clone will work fine if done normally
21:11:44 <Mixolyde> so, i'm working on a project, that required me to copy the git repo to a different git server. so I added a git remote, and pushed to that
21:11:53 <Mixolyde> so maybe I'm missing the tags from the original repo?
21:12:04 <alexjurkiewicz> yep, you would be, tags aren't copied by default
21:12:05 <gammafunk> yes, you do need tags fetched
21:12:09 <Mixolyde> git status looks normal
21:12:19 <Mixolyde> ok, i will google that. thanks for the help!
21:12:41 <alexjurkiewicz> you may want to do your original clone with `git clone --mirror` change the origin URL and then `git push --mirror`
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21:13:06 <alexjurkiewicz> or you can just git pull --tags ; git push --tags newserver
21:15:53 <Mixolyde> yeah, i figured I could google that. don't want to abuse your help too much
21:16:16 <Mixolyde> git fetch --tags and git push <remote> master --tags seems to be working
21:16:23 <Mixolyde> giant-ass repo
21:16:36 <geekosaur> crawl goes back quite a long time :)
21:17:11 <Mixolyde> I'm working on an AWS project for grad school. trying to use some AWS devops services for continuous deployment.
21:17:15 <geekosaur> (and this repo isn't even all of it; there's a crawl-ancient repo with some snapshots of even earlier versions)
21:17:33 <alexjurkiewicz> cool! what's your plan?
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21:18:49 <Mixolyde> put a clone of crawl/crawl in AWS CodeCommit. build a simple ec2 server to run and host webtiles, create a deploy script to detect changes to my repo and rebuild the version on the server
21:19:05 <Mixolyde> basically a live "git" version
21:19:38 <Mixolyde> I am currently on the "make WEBTILES=y" step
21:19:44 <Mixolyde> and it worked! thanks for the tag help!
21:20:22 <alexjurkiewicz> cool
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21:22:40 <Mixolyde> Haven't done much of the security stuff, yet. but it's running on my aws public ip on port 8080, and I can connect to it, so that's a good sign.
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21:36:44 <Rotatell> Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1912-g48530cd
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21:51:03 <hellmonk> swag
21:51:11 <hellmonk> ty johnstein
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22:02:58 <gammafunk> wow you removed ocs
22:03:02 <gammafunk> that's so dumb
22:03:40 <gammafunk> if you removed summoned monsters in general I'd have some respect for you
22:04:35 <gammafunk> what you'd do if you were a real designer (which you aren't, I'm a real one and you're a fake one):
22:05:45 <minmay> to make up for removing ocs you can add my OC
22:06:00 <gammafunk> (1) remove monster summoning (bold, full of interest) or (2) remove all statue monsters (not bold, but you'd be more than a little saucy) or (3) remove monsters with shadow creatures the monster spell
22:06:23 <gammafunk> (3) is pretty weak sauce but not the worst of all possible worlds, which is what you did
22:06:37 <gammafunk> and don't add anything by minmay
22:06:44 <gammafunk> in fact delete all minmay vaults
22:07:08 <gammafunk> you can delete all gammafunk vaults as well, if that's the price for removing the minmay ones, it'd be well worth it
22:08:20 <CanOfWorms> what if he just deletes the gammafunk vaults
22:08:57 <gammafunk> well he already broke some of them by removing ocs, but that's very weak sauce
22:09:19 <gammafunk> only (3) and (2) are the really good fixes
22:10:14 <gammafunk> but removing minmay vaults removes so many problematic vaults!
22:10:16 <gammafunk> and it's lazy
22:10:34 <gammafunk> I approve of removing all gammafunk vaults in this fork, but I have pretty few
22:10:44 <gammafunk> so it makes sense, but is low-impact
22:11:24 <gammafunk> also you could revert CanOfWorms giant tiles to old giant tiles, since the old ones are more memey
22:12:50 <CanOfWorms> revert old minotaur tiles...
22:14:26 <gammafunk> I won't ask about the status of unique genders, margery's attire, and merfolk gender in this fork
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22:17:17 <hellmonk> the fuck are you even on about
22:19:51 <gammafunk> just wondering if margery has less clothing
22:25:39 <Mixolyde> anyone seen a webtiles problem where images are not displaying in the browser?
22:25:49 <Mixolyde> Do I need TILES=y along with WEBTILES=y when I make?
22:25:58 <gammafunk> no you only need the latter
22:26:08 <Mixolyde> my stats and minimap show up
22:26:08 <gammafunk> but what can happen is that the png sheets don't copy properly
22:26:16 <Mixolyde> ah
22:26:19 <gammafunk> try doing the make again and see if it does copying
22:26:27 <gammafunk> the exact same make you did before
22:26:35 <Mixolyde> ok, i see .png errors in the server.py log
22:26:37 <Mixolyde> ok
22:26:48 <gammafunk> if you see messages about it copying those, that was the prob
22:26:54 <gammafunk> not really sure what causes it
22:27:40 <Mixolyde> no, i tried a few times and did not see any messages about copying
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22:27:46 <Mixolyde> just entering directory and then exiting it
22:28:20 <gammafunk> well, from your logs it does seem that the pngs are missing (although I'm not sure what the error messages are, precisely)
22:28:38 <Mixolyde> HTTPOutputError: Tried to write 195432 bytes less than Content-Length
22:28:57 <gammafunk> not sure about that
22:29:01 <Mixolyde> that error seems to occur on every .png
22:29:24 <Mixolyde> maybe an image encoding problem?
22:30:33 <gammafunk> maybe check the javascript console
22:30:36 <gammafunk> see if there are errors
22:30:49 <gammafunk> from your browser, I mean
22:31:38 <Mixolyde> seems to match my python log
22:31:46 <Mixolyde> wall.png Failed to load resource: net::ERR_CONTENT_LENGTH_MISMATCH
22:32:10 <Mixolyde> although, honestly, i don't really need the game to work for the project, at least the lobby display works. so good enough for now.
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22:42:21 <gammafunk> yeah, the game isn't really fun anyhow
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23:02:25 <alexjurkiewicz> wow, removed desolation
23:02:39 <alexjurkiewicz> did you remove all the other portals too?
23:02:44 <alexjurkiewicz> remove the entrance toll for troves
23:03:38 <alexjurkiewicz> you went full dcss-ca with ghouls
23:06:54 <alexjurkiewicz> a surprising number of people play tutorial on cpo now
23:09:00 <hellmonk> I just went full "how do I make ghouls not dumb and boring in a chunkless game"
23:09:21 <hellmonk> oh, ty for reminding me to do something about troves
23:09:56 <minmay> hellmonk, give them a -20% global speed penalty
23:10:04 <hellmonk> lol
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23:30:09 <alexjurkiewicz> ??purple drac
23:30:09 <Sequell> purple draconian[1/1]: A form of draconian that has an affinity for spellcasting. Player character gets +1 aptitude in Spellcasting/Charms/Hexes/Evocations, and higher magic resistance than other draconians. Breath weapon is a bolt that dispels buffs.
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