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Earthguest the Changer (L7 VpTm of Cheibriados), slain by an ice beast on D:5 on 2016-12-09 05:31:31, with 884 points after 2954 turns and 0:05:35. 00:33:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:51 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:47 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:05:29 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:53 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:12:25 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 01:14:46 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:19:18 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-270-g8e735b6 (34) 01:24:53 @??goblin 01:24:53 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 01:24:56 @??kobold 01:24:56 kobold (07K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-4 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 01:25:04 is it important to have both of these monsters? 01:26:00 does !might apply to aux attacks? 01:35:06 -!- Wah has quit [Quit: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT'S BACON!] 01:35:26 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:54:39 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:57:03 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-270-g8e735b6 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:21 -!- Hakkniv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:57 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:11 -!- sooheon has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:21:15 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:35 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:06 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31:53 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:32 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:38:34 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:24 -!- harambe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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[sdam=135] chequers the Brawler (L14 TrHu of Okawaru), slain by an eight-headed hydra on Lair:5 on 2015-10-17 00:08:55, with 48438 points after 17742 turns and 0:40:48. 07:21:56 !tell chequers congrats: !lg * ikiller=eight-headed_hydra max=sdam x=sdam 07:21:56 gammafunk: OK, I'll let chequers know. 07:22:11 !lg * cikiller=hydra max=sdam x=sdam 07:22:12 47186. [sdam=135] chequers the Brawler (L14 TrHu of Okawaru), slain by an eight-headed hydra on Lair:5 on 2015-10-17 00:08:55, with 48438 points after 17742 turns and 0:40:48. 07:22:28 !tell chequers actually, even better: !lg * cikiller=hydra max=sdam x=sdam 07:22:28 gammafunk: OK, I'll let chequers know. 07:22:42 what are you going for? 07:22:52 you're asking what that query means? 07:23:34 sdam is "all damage from the killing monster in the player's final turn" 07:23:42 no, I understand that... what kind of example you're looking for 07:23:55 well just exactly what that query is 07:24:16 what is the max damage done by a hydra on the turn it killed a player 07:24:25 across all games online 07:24:35 @??eight-headed hydra 07:24:35 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 60-83 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 975 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 07:24:47 !calc 18.0 * 8 07:24:47 144 07:24:54 close to maximum, with a huge variance... 07:25:40 <|amethyst> -2 is 115 07:25:53 I can't tell what you mean by that remark, dpeg 07:26:00 |amethyst: not in integers =) 07:26:02 expressing surprise or something else? 07:26:12 gammafunk: that was just a statement, like yours 07:26:42 I thought you had gameplay/balance in mind. 07:27:34 <|amethyst> oh 07:27:41 <|amethyst> the 115 is an 8-headed hydra 07:27:43 <|amethyst> but chei 07:27:46 <|amethyst> err 07:27:49 <|amethyst> the 115 is a 5-headed 07:27:58 <|amethyst> I imagine it's in response to the tavern thread about "give a warning when a monster could theoretically kill you in one turn" 07:28:11 yeah, that's something you can't see , the aut of the player's last turn 07:28:16 or can you, actually 07:28:27 !lg * cikiller=hydra max=sdam x=sdam,aut -2 07:28:28 47186/47187. [sdam=115;aut=641381] TheDoctor the Black Belt (L18 OpTm of Cheibriados), slain by a five-headed hydra on Swamp:1 on 2014-11-23 22:56:24, with 198143 points after 43353 turns and 2:05:18. 07:28:33 ah, cumulative 07:29:19 believe me, if I make a query and have some point to make about game balance, I'll say it 07:29:32 with several queries until I've p-hacked it enough to my liking 07:30:17 (sequell queries are bad things to use for absolute statement about game balance, but ok for 'what is actually happening to / being done by players') 07:31:30 it's often not too hard to tease out queries that reflect game balance in some way, but it's just riddled with noise since people just do all sorts of silly things all the time 07:32:34 |amethyst: I don't know if you know anything about this offhand, but are you aware of anything that would prevent monster creation of the kind done in due's jungle book end (dire elephants) from properly setting kmap? 07:33:17 I'm not sure if it breaks any notion to set a kmap for a map when creating a monster after level gen has completed 07:33:34 but it'd be lovely to properly do that 07:36:05 !lm * urune=3 recentish br.end=vaults|zot xl>=20 lg:urune<=5 s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 07:37:35 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * urune=3 recentish br.end=vaults|zot xl>=20 lg:urune<=5 s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 07:45:11 !lm * urune=3 recentish br.end=vaults|zot xl>=20 lg:urune<=5 s=br / lg:br=$noun lvl>=4 o=% 07:45:14 1371/11844 milestones for * (urune=3 recentish br.end=vaults|zot xl>=20 lg:urune<=5): 311/2435x Vaults [12.77%], 1060/9409x Zot [11.27%] 07:45:25 people dying at similar rates on v:5 and z:5 07:46:04 hrm 07:52:19 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault !boring s=cikiller% 07:52:20 7400 games for * (kmap=vaults_vault !boring): 1275x a titan (17.23%), 608x a stone giant (8.22%), 502x an ancient lich (6.78%), 476x a tengu reaver (6.43%), 431x an ettin (5.82%), 387x a shadow dragon (5.23%), 351x a vault warden (4.74%), 347x a yaktaur captain (4.69%), 297x a vault guard (4.01%), 276x a tentacled monstrosity (3.73%), 239x a golden dragon (3.23%), 234x a frost giant (3.16%), 218x ... 07:52:32 wow 07:52:40 that's amazing 07:54:52 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring s=cikiller% 07:54:54 887 games for * (kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring): 186x a titan (20.97%), 76x a stone giant (8.57%), 72x an ancient lich (8.12%), 58x a tengu reaver (6.54%), 45x an ettin (5.07%), 43x a yaktaur captain (4.85%), 41x a shadow dragon (4.62%), 33x a tentacled monstrosity (3.72%), 29x a vault warden (3.27%), 27x a quicksilver dragon (3.04%), 26x a golden dragon (2.93%), 25x a storm dragon (2.8... 07:55:12 even higher for titans if you control for runes/xl 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:22 !calc 3.74 / 136 08:01:23 0.03 08:02:04 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 lvl>=20 !boring s=ckaux% 08:02:05 No games for * (kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 lvl>=20 !boring). 08:02:13 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring s=ckaux% 08:02:14 887 games for * (kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring): 236x (26.61%), 85x by the air (9.58%), 61x bolt of lightning (6.88%), 39x large rock (4.40%), 38x bolt of negative energy (4.28%), 37x dire flail (4.17%), 32x crystal spear (3.61%), 32x bolt (3.61%), 24x by divine providence (2.71%), 22x bolt of cold (2.48%), 20x bolt of fire (2.25%), 19x bolt of dispelling energy (2.14%), 19x fireball (2... 08:02:21 and there it is 08:02:43 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring ckaux=by_the_air / status~~fly 08:02:44 29/85 games for * (kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring ckaux=by_the_air): N=29/85 (34.12%) 08:03:12 !lg * kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring cikiller=titan s=ckaux% 08:03:13 186 games for * (kmap=vaults_vault urune=3 xl>=20 !boring cikiller=titan): 85x by the air (45.70%), 72x (38.71%), 29x bolt of lightning (15.59%) 08:04:48 -!- Concrocotta is now known as concrocotta 08:13:23 huh, looks like there's no message for getting level 3 claws 08:13:33 "Your demonic ancestry asserts itself..." 08:13:45 looking into it. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:44:47 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:46:02 it seems to message right for non-demonspawn 08:46:10 is there a wizmode way to change my DS muts? 08:55:32 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:58:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:55 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:39:02 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:00 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:53 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:56 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:02 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:33 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:09 hmm... is galehar still active? 10:12:09 Napkin: You have 48 messages. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:11:31 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:10 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:37 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 18:17:39 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:17:56 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:51 -!- Query42 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:21:05 !lg * cikiller=hydra max=sdam x=sdam 18:21:07 47208. [sdam=135] chequers the Brawler (L14 TrHu of Okawaru), slain by an eight-headed hydra on Lair:5 on 2015-10-17 00:08:55, with 48438 points after 17742 turns and 0:40:48. 18:21:11 gammafunk: pigform too strong 18:21:15 !lg * cikiller=hydra max=sdam x=sdam,status 18:21:16 47208. [sdam=135;status=pig-form,slowed] chequers the Brawler (L14 TrHu of Okawaru), slain by an eight-headed hydra on Lair:5 on 2015-10-17 00:08:55, with 48438 points after 17742 turns and 0:40:48. 18:21:26 -!- hoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:31:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:28 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:44 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:42:43 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:53 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:07 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:50 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:48:00 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:30 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:06 -!- ImperatrixFortun has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:36 -!- M-bbigras has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:15:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:16:49 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:29:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:42:23 !lg * current kmap~~wizard_pris x=src 19:42:25 1. [src=cao] Fooot the Pyromancer (L24 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by an ancient lich (iron shot) on Depths:4 (evilmike_wizard_prison) on 2016-11-19 17:44:52, with 513350 points after 83113 turns and 4:32:53. 19:42:27 aw man 19:42:30 another person beat my dagger high score 19:42:42 !lg * current kmap~~wizard_pris -tv:<2:channel=wp 19:42:44 1. Fooot, XL24 DEFE, T:83113 requested for wp: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:42:54 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43:12 that is the worst spoiler trap vault in the game now 19:44:45 good splat 19:44:46 i guess that person was going to die to their first alich anyway 19:45:38 !lg fooot cikiller~~lich -2 19:45:39 1/2. Fooot the Invulnerable (L27 GrBe of Trog), blasted by an ancient lich (iron shot) on Depths:1 (enter_ziggurat_a) on 2015-04-12 00:57:42, with 729959 points after 75008 turns and 4:51:49. 19:45:52 that person had already died to their first alich anyway 19:45:55 ha 19:47:12 to the same spell no less 19:47:38 .slime 19:47:39 5921. andraxy, XL27 MiFi, T:75915 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:48:13 +3 broad axe of protection, definitely the optimal weapon for a tso character 19:48:36 oh 19:48:45 it's a pure caster mifi and that's a sky weapon 19:49:10 of course it has rC- too 19:49:49 !log andraxy slime 19:49:50 2. andraxy, XL27 MiFi, T:75915: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/andraxy/morgue-andraxy-20161209-224031.txt 19:50:20 Cast: Infusion | | | | | | | | 1 | 6 || 7 19:50:20 Repel Missiles | | | | | | | | | 4 || 4 19:50:20 Iron Shot | | | | | | | | | 50 || 50 19:50:30 yup thats definitely the action counts i expect from a mifi 19:57:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:02 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 20:01:46 -!- Stonar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:34 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:24 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:22:08 :) 20:22:16 it would be nice to have a higher level version of infusion 20:22:27 dump all your mana into your next attack, or something 20:24:43 !lg * 20:24:45 6595006. Cuddlefish the Carver (L11 MiFi of Trog), slain by Snorg on D:9 on 2016-12-10 01:22:51, with 11827 points after 9868 turns and 0:39:56. 20:29:17 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:45 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:13 -!- Winterlute has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:31 -!- Poncheis_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:25 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 20:47:30 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Client Quit] 20:52:39 -!- torgdor has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 20:54:37 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:00 -!- westonodom has quit [Client Quit] 21:03:30 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:04:43 -!- mango_lives has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:05:14 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 21:10:35 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:18 alexjurkiewics: spectral weapon is pretty much a higher level version of infusion 21:16:43 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:21 -!- nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:20:40 yeah, but it doesn't use a lot of mana 21:32:46 -!- stonar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:36:31 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:03 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 21:53:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:01 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:16:13 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:24:44 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:06 !tv lordsloth 3898 22:25:07 3898. LordSloth, XL12 MuIE, T:29343 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 22:25:45 why doesnt it work 22:35:03 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:18 -!- AngelaSmythe has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:35:18 -!- Grammus has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:35:51 -!- Rjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:52 -!- DrKe has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:36:09 -!- Grammus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:21 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:32 -!- Rewans has quit [Changing host] 22:37:22 -!- devesine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:26 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:00 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:35 -!- devesine_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:38:35 -!- kebab has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:38:35 -!- shmup_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:39:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:24 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:49 I had my first dcss gameplay dream this week 22:51:01 I dreamt that the game was bugged and started spawning orbs of fire in orc:2 22:51:31 there was 5 of them on screen at once 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:10 does spell power affect how powerful a form is, or just duration and fail rate? 23:08:26 CanOfWorms, that happened to me in crawl for real except it was a zot:5 teleport 23:08:32 it doesn't affect power, but it affects some stuff 23:08:40 like AC for ice form/statue form 23:08:46 ??ice form 23:08:46 ice form[1/3]: +20% HP, rF-, rC+++, rPois. Makes you large, which will reduce EV (for human size and smaller races). Melds all armour, but gives 5-12 AC. 12+UC base damage with freezing brand. Players in ice form can float through water, but get no aquatic bonuses and can't reach submerged items. Found in Books of Changes and Ice, L4 ice/tmut. 23:09:39 I assume this has been suggested before, so what are the arguments against: 23:09:52 giving forms infinite duration, until cancelled or the player casts a different form 23:11:21 makes spell failure moot 23:11:46 I mean forms are basically charms so 23:13:08 ok, so lets talk about the spell failure mechanic first 23:13:25 came from D&D, maybe from somethign else before that 23:13:56 where it was a balance and flavor thing, so your wizards couldnt just sit around inside full plate casting away 23:14:44 and i think it has value in crawl for conjurations and such 23:15:25 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:27 im not convinced forms need spell failure 23:17:13 as balancing facotrs you still have the fact that you have to spend xp, and they tend to disallow other forms and various weapon and armour slots 23:17:55 if forms have no spell failure then learning them is a no-brainer??? 23:18:06 hmm 23:18:14 well, maybe make it a binary thing 23:18:42 if you can get a form to 50% spell failure, you can cast it. if not, you can't 23:18:51 wizardry 23:19:15 it's similar problems as trying to make charms infinite duration 23:19:19 i see 23:19:47 well, charms would be worse because you have the stacking problem 23:20:05 with forms you cant be in hydra form and ice form and dragon form all at the same time 23:20:30 but yeah what prevents an xl:9 player from going into dragon form, good point 23:38:27 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:22 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Client Quit] 23:46:04 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:49:08 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:58 CanOfWorms: I had a few dreams where I'd be on long crawl streaks and lose them in dumb ways 23:51:41 but I guess that's not surprising coming from the guy who dreamt about deep elves, uniques, and deep elf uniques 23:53:42 re: forms, you could get rid of the success rate problem by making them depend more meaningfully on spell power 23:54:31 you "just" have to make the forms blatantly detrimental when power is low enough, like have 50 power dragon form make you large but not give you any AC or fire breath or HP or resistances or melee damage 23:54:50 but this is a lot of complexity to save a mechanic that is probably not worth it 23:56:21 the mechanic being forms? 23:57:41 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:54 the mechanic being sustained spells with failure 23:57:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:09 so forms and charms. hmm 23:59:22 the spell power thing is good, I like that 23:59:50 low power hydra form: 1 head