00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:02 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-267-g4a7ec2a (34) 00:01:06 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:40 I have a stupid question 00:02:48 How do I "create a pull request" ? 00:03:14 push your code changes to a branch in your fork, then visit your fork's page 00:05:48 thanks... I may have more questions later 00:09:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:08 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:50 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:12:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:13:43 chequers: that would work a lot better if you used the same nick on irc 00:13:48 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:16:23 -!- irctc451 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:17:32 -!- kebab has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:17:52 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18:44 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:24 -!- escu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21:13 it it's a single-file change you can even edit the file directly in github and it'll make a pull request for you 00:22:49 I see now that amalloy is living in SF, he's learned about it's it 00:22:54 just needs to get the order right 00:23:16 I recommend the mint flavored ones, they're pretty good 00:24:48 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:24:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:22 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:31 food that's not in the free cafes at work might as well not exist 00:26:04 -!- escu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:19 wow, talk about googleitis 00:26:43 I'd not be surprised at all to see it's its in a google cafe actually 00:27:02 not that I've been to one 00:27:53 i think they probably are in the rotation somewhere 00:31:00 gammafunk: i'mnot sure irc nicks can be long enough 00:31:21 -!- chequers is now known as alexjurkiewicz 00:31:25 there we go 00:31:56 yeah I just mean, the main point of us using mailmap is to help coordinate on irc 00:32:14 could someone please remove my entry in the mailmap? That should just show my full name -- or you can show it as alexjurkiewicz if preferred 00:32:41 sure, is the latter ok? 00:32:51 it helps people contact you on irc 00:33:45 rast: nice necro https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17865&view=unread#unread 00:33:48 gammafunk: sure 00:33:53 np 00:35:28 03gammafunk02 07* 0.20-a0-268-gb6bde61: Tweak a mailmap entry 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6bde6113ffa 00:36:11 %git 355e7a9f305 00:36:11 07alexjurkiewicz02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.20-a0-233-g355e7a9: Add the orb status light whenever in Zot 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/355e7a9f3051 00:36:17 ty 00:36:37 your name also now kind of looks like the name of a new crawl god 00:36:56 maybe just permute 'alex' a bit 00:37:30 hm, your new nick tab-completes in two characters, rather than like four. i formally approve this nick-change request 00:37:41 nemalex 00:38:22 alexjurkiewicz, I think I did it wrong 00:38:29 the PR? 00:38:33 https://github.com/Rast2/crawl/pull/1 this is just a pull request for my own fork 00:38:47 I can approve it but who cares... how do I make it a pull request to real crawl 00:39:25 rast: make the PR from the official repo instead of from your repo 00:39:35 github.com/crawl/crawl 00:40:15 you'll create it from there and designate a branch on your repo to attach the PR to 00:40:16 ty 00:40:16 yeah, just close that PR 00:40:26 the parent/master branch should be crawl/crawl's master 00:40:27 any changes you push to said branch will update in the PR 00:40:34 so base fork should be crawl/crawl 00:40:44 base should be... master? 00:40:45 👍 00:41:21 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:04 go drop the m&f apt while you're at it 00:42:10 too late! 00:44:22 fwiw, like gammafunk said you can just push more commits to your branch and they automatically appear in the PR 00:44:48 oh. I didn't udnerstand that 00:45:04 I think the weapon changes would be more controversial though? 00:45:51 New branch created: pull/421 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/421 00:45:51 03Rast202 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/421 * 0.20-a0-268-g90ebc63: Improve ogre spell school apts 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90ebc63c97b3 00:45:53 the idea that decreasing m&f apt balances out increasing spell apts is a bit silly, it would clearly be an overall nerf 00:46:20 yeah I think you're right 00:47:21 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:51:37 -!- tsujin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:52:45 !tell pleasingfungus idea: pillars of salt in desolation 00:52:45 alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:56:24 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:14 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 01:03:32 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:50 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:06:05 rast: +3 m&f should be changed regardless of other changes imo 01:06:31 its a tough race to play as is 01:06:40 your defenses are awful until you find dragon armour 01:06:51 +5 fighting +0 m&f 01:06:57 hellmonk, heh 01:06:57 problem solved :^) 01:09:10 i thinkyou copied that from dcss-ca 01:09:27 does circus animals really do that 01:09:47 any suggestion you come up with has a 50% chance of being in c-a 01:10:02 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-268-gb6bde61 (34) 01:10:12 ogre has 50% hp apt 01:10:18 only +1 fighting 01:10:22 that's not the same at all! 01:11:14 totally 01:14:51 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:18:43 rast: sure, but having really silly weapon apts isn't really the best way to fix that 01:24:21 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:32:06 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:32:06 -!- nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:07 rast: pretty much everyone places Og over Hu, which suggests to me that it is overpowered and therefore should be nerfed 01:35:15 i would but og well below hu for most of the early game 01:35:33 not every race needs to be equal or less than hu 01:35:52 although once you manage some ok defenses and a decent swing rate with your club it's better 01:35:55 also i'm not sure i agree. hu can wear all those sweet auxes, can pick up and use any weapon 01:36:05 can switch weapons if you find a better one... 01:36:20 also humans can wear body armour etc 01:36:24 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:27 this is probably another area where optimal play changes race rankings 01:37:32 because if every fight is a 1v1 from full hp, ogres get better 01:38:00 *and you never fight "red" monsters etc 01:42:46 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:42:53 -!- domore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:45:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:46:43 Og aren't a tough race to play 01:46:53 they're probably a tough race to play for newbies though 01:49:12 and og aren't weaker than hu in early game 01:51:02 rast: og does more damage with almost all weapons than hu does 01:51:21 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Client Quit] 01:51:36 why, just based on higher fighting and strength? 01:52:01 yes, and also having lots of HP is pretty good in the early game so i dont see whats so bad about their defenses 01:53:49 +5 fighting, +%50 hp, no offense 01:53:51 do it 01:54:05 slime ogres 01:54:22 all that extra hp, but every hit you lose mhp and spit out smaller friendly ogres 01:54:46 people really overestimate the importance of apts, TrFi with an axe does more damage than HOFi with an axe for a while 01:55:18 does that logic include fighting though 01:55:20 !apt tr 01:55:21 Tr: Fighting: -2*, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -1, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -4*, Bows: -4*, Xbows: -4*, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -5*, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -5*, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -2, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -4*, Earth: -1, Poison: -3*, Inv: -1*, Evo: -3*, Exp: -1, HP: 3!, MP: -1* 01:55:23 !stats trfi 01:55:26 !apt ho 01:55:27 !stats hofi 01:55:27 HO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 3!, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -3, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: -2, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 1, MP: 0 01:55:32 (against monsters with low EV) 01:55:37 I guess it does 01:55:48 Starting stats for TrFi: Str 23 Int 4 Dex 9. Stat gain: s/3 01:56:07 23 01:56:33 ontoclasm: give tr gda at start 01:56:38 s/gda/gds/ 01:56:43 Starting stats for HOFi: Str 18 Int 8 Dex 10. Stat gain: s/5 01:56:44 mm 01:56:47 they have the prefect strength for it 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:27 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:22:30 -!- Telnaior_ is now known as Telnaior 02:24:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:25:11 -!- ldf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:25:24 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:35 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:25:53 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest36244 02:28:38 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:35:34 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:57 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:43:28 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:38 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:19 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:06:01 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:12:27 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:12:55 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-268-gb6bde61 (34) 03:22:39 -!- jerkstore has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:26:19 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:20 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 03:30:23 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:40:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:22 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:53:17 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:26 -!- Hakkniv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:42 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:52 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:44 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:56:30 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:24 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:24:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 05:42:05 !lg 05:42:06 No games for alexjurkiewicz. 05:42:09 !nick -help 05:42:09 No nick mapping for -help. 05:42:14 !help !nick 05:42:14 !nick: !nick: Maps a nick to name(s) used on the public servers. Usage: !nick ...; !nick -rm ; !nick -rm 05:42:24 !nick alexjurkiewicz chequesr 05:42:25 Mapping alexjurkiewicz => chequesr 05:42:28 !nick alexjurkiewicz chequers 05:42:29 Mapping alexjurkiewicz => chequesr chequers 05:42:33 !nick alexjurkiewicz -rm chequesr 05:42:33 Deleted chequesr from alexjurkiewicz => chequesr chequers 05:42:34 !lg 05:42:35 1948. chequers the Chopper (L2 MiAK of Lugonu), quit the game on D:2 on 2016-12-06 05:58:59, with 21 points after 1198 turns and 0:01:31. 05:42:39 !lg alexjurkiewicz 05:42:40 1948. chequers the Chopper (L2 MiAK of Lugonu), quit the game on D:2 on 2016-12-06 05:58:59, with 21 points after 1198 turns and 0:01:31. 05:49:30 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 05:49:35 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:47 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:11:11 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:52 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:40 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:46:27 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:08:23 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:09:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 07:15:24 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:49 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 07:18:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:29 All tornado clouds disappear while the spell is still active (Chei + Statue Form) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10840 by Ge0ff 07:54:27 -!- magistern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I would like to discuss this with the relevant parties :) 10:30:50 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:05 -!- ddubos is now known as ddubois 10:41:29 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 10:42:48 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:48 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 10:57:13 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:50 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:49 <|amethyst> dpeg: johnny0 implemented it 11:06:28 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:06:44 -!- cait_ is now known as cait 11:07:38 it wasn't exactly about recolouring 11:08:08 it was more trying to fix colour behaviour for all the types of terminals we can support 11:08:46 most of us are playing with settings that recreate the old colours before those commits 11:09:06 since they're a lot better than the use of blue 11:15:59 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:24:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 247 seconds] 11:26:00 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:30 dpeg: is there a thread where this is being discussed? 11:31:39 dpeg: i'd like to see screenshots/suggestions in it, if they exist 11:33:48 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:24 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:49 i seriously never remember where the offline trunk builds are 11:38:49 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:39:13 !tell alexjurkiewicz you and |amethyst have both suggested this before! 11:39:13 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let alexjurkiewicz know. 11:39:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/ 11:39:37 thanks! 11:39:41 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but it needs to be updated 11:39:46 yeah, looks like it 11:39:56 <|amethyst> let me see 11:40:10 someone on wordpress was asking when trunk would be available for download 11:41:15 <|amethyst> updated 11:41:32 nice 11:42:07 replied 11:42:31 <|amethyst> the script on CDO has to be updated whenever there's a new release 11:42:49 yeah, i vaguely remember this happening for past releases 11:46:03 gammafunk, |amethyst: thanks! In my setting, there's some bad with the good things. I'll try other machines and other terminals. 11:46:13 <|amethyst> dpeg: what in particular? 11:46:17 <|amethyst> dpeg: other than the blue 11:46:25 yellow backgrounds 11:46:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:56 sleeping brown h looking like yellow h, same with K 11:46:56 <|amethyst> hm, you're using allow_extended_colours ? 11:47:42 <|amethyst> sleep brand is blue isn't it? 11:47:57 I always use default options 11:48:13 yellow backgrounds won't be a thing with defaults 11:48:30 <|amethyst> stab brand is yellow (well, brown) 11:48:36 <|amethyst> there is a change here: 11:48:52 (it's 2016, why do ANSI terminals still use CGA defaults?) 11:49:21 <|amethyst> it used to be that e.g. distracted hobgoblins would be brown on brown, and distracted gnolls black on brown 11:49:35 |amethyst: I always had some issues with backgrounds... 11:49:45 <|amethyst> brown on brown (and similar) is now avoided 11:50:38 is darkgrey used anywhere at all now? 11:50:41 <|amethyst> with bold_brightens_foreground (which replicates most closely the old behaviour), you now have black on brown hobgoblins, and yellow on brown gnolls 11:50:46 <|amethyst> dpeg: no 11:51:04 <|amethyst> dpeg: the reason this is the default is that darkgrey shows up as black for some terminals and settings 11:51:45 <|amethyst> dpeg: and johnny0 thought it better that everyone be able to see things by default than that people get optimal colours by default 11:52:08 <|amethyst> 90% of console players should turn on bold_brightens_foreground 11:52:29 the mac console app does some horrid things because otherwise the old colors were unusable in Terminal.app 11:52:36 these options are documentated? I'll play with them. 11:52:47 what's the setting that uses darkgrey for out-of-los? 11:52:52 <|amethyst> but it's between A) ugliness for 100% but it works for everybody and B) looks good for 90% but some things are invisible for 10% 11:52:55 * geekosaur thought seriously about shipping iTerm2 as part of the bundle 11:53:03 I saw that an option related to that got removed 11:53:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the one you want is bold_brightens_foreground = true 11:53:18 ok 11:53:21 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:53:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that says "my terminal is capable of darkgrey" 11:53:31 <|amethyst> (and lightblue and yellow and...) 11:53:37 yeah I have that one already, but I still have the now-nonexistant darkgrey option 11:53:41 which I should remove 11:53:50 <|amethyst> without that option it assumes it might show up as black on black, so changes the foreground to blue 11:54:13 &rc . 11:54:18 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.19/gammafunk.rc 11:54:23 er 11:54:26 well, doesn't matter 11:54:52 allow_extended_colours=true 11:54:52 no_dark_brand=false 11:54:52 bold_brightens_foreground=true 11:54:52 blink_brightens_background=false 11:54:54 best_effort_brighten_background=false 11:54:54 <|amethyst> personally my preference would be (B) (defaulting to bold_brightens_foreground, so like the old behaviour), but johnny0 made good points for (A) (the current behaviour) 11:54:58 |amethyst: yes, I am fine with that decision, it is good 11:55:12 so no_dark_brand got removed 11:55:15 <|amethyst> yeah 11:55:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: allow_extended_colours does change things, btw 11:55:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that makes it so that bright text isn't bold 11:55:28 yes! 11:55:36 I had to set my term to not the 256 one 11:55:52 if I remove that, I'll get bold text even with xterm-256color ? 11:56:00 -!- smltlk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:56:11 since I do want bold text for light colors 11:56:11 <|amethyst> yeah, without that you should be very close to the old behaviour 11:56:19 ok, so I'll remove both 11:56:31 not really sure what the blink_ and best_ options actually do 11:56:42 <|amethyst> blink_brightens_background = false is the default 11:56:43 but I shoudl go read the options guide for that 11:57:07 <|amethyst> some terminals use blink to brighten the background (instead of blinking), because IBM VGA hardware 11:57:24 <|amethyst> if you use that with such a terminal, you can have actual yellow backgrounds 11:57:30 <|amethyst> if you set it to true 11:58:28 <|amethyst> best_effort_brighten_background = true says "try to use blink to get bright backgrounds, even if it might not work, but don't assume that it works" 11:58:41 <|amethyst> where "don't assume" may mean changing colours to avoid invisible combos 11:59:25 <|amethyst> I haven't see best_effort_brighten_background = true do anything yet, but if it did it would probably make some peoples' stuff blink when they don't want that 11:59:33 <|amethyst> so maybe it should default to false 11:59:58 <|amethyst> but maybe I misunderstand what it's doing 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:02 <|amethyst> anyway, must go now, later all 12:00:46 I'm updating my rc thanks to this incredible neil terminal lore 12:05:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-268-gb6bde61 (34) 12:05:29 when the console dust settles, perhaps we should give examples of typical option combinations that work for many users? 12:05:57 yeah, we might want to update the How to Play Online wordpress page 12:06:28 and also find a way to better link that for people now browsing wordpress 12:07:20 having a nice link from the home page "For help playing the ASCII console version online, click here" etc 12:08:07 dpeg: do you have access to the survey results? 12:09:16 wow, for en survey, "played for more than 3 years" has finally dipped below 50% 12:09:55 we've still only hit a fraction of even the online english-speaking players 12:10:22 !lg * day src!=cwz|lld x=cdist(name) 12:10:22 3016 games for * (day src!=cwz|lld): cdist(name)=666 12:10:37 !lg * day x=cdist(name) 12:10:38 4722 games for * (day): cdist(name)=839 12:10:46 !lg * month src!=cwz|lld x=cdist(name) 12:10:47 135711 games for * (month src!=cwz|lld): cdist(name)=4711 12:10:58 gammafunk: no, don't have access to results 12:10:59 gammafunk: were you serious when you said that we'd lost a lot of potential survey responders by requiring a google login? 12:11:00 interesting! 12:11:04 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 12:11:40 PleasingFungus: yes, but I don't exactly have evidence as to how many nor a solution for the problems of not requiring google 12:12:16 gammafunk: I'm aware of one vocal guy on reddit 12:12:47 dpeg: I'll invite you and send you the little warning about not turning this into the next DNC wikileaks scandal 12:13:03 you can then read the responses and see current talies for data that can be tabulated 12:13:05 * dpeg is preparing his facebook account 12:13:22 uh oh, another old person going on facebook! 12:13:23 guess I can't fool you, of course I am no "social" networks 12:13:41 gammafunk: i'm personally skeptical that we've taken any notable hit from requiring a google login... would be nice if we had stats on unique visitors to e.g. the survey post on the blog 12:13:51 yeah, that would be nice 12:14:18 I mean, even if we make it as nice as possible, we can't assume that all 4700 of those monthly players will fill out the en survey 12:14:24 I think it's much more important to spread the survey... especially on not-just-Crawl related discussion places. 12:14:38 i wonder if anyone's linked it in r/roguelikes, or the discord 12:14:39 where occasional or former Crawlers might be ound 12:14:47 r/roguelikes would be real nice 12:14:48 it's linking in /r/dcss 12:14:52 *linked 12:14:57 hm, I can do r/roguelikes, good idea! 12:15:01 sure, I think you can feel free to do that 12:15:03 and I'll bring it up once a month on SA 12:15:35 wow, gone from tavern and posting in SA 12:15:44 times really have changed, dpeg 12:16:48 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:52 gammafunk: indeed, indeed... I feel invigorated and twenty years younger =) 12:17:22 not reading tavern...the fountain of eternal youth... 12:17:35 oh, I read it, I just don't comment anymore :) 12:17:52 I see 12:18:00 dpeg: do I use your dev email? 12:18:06 oh it needs to be google-connected 12:18:40 dpeg: pm me a google-connected email account (either @gmail.com or one you have connected to a google account) 12:25:25 -!- jerkstore has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:25:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:26:15 just looking at the results.... so many people missing :) 12:26:30 missing? 12:27:10 how many responses did the last survey get? 12:27:28 1200 replies, but about 50% play "less than a week" 12:27:38 oh, heh 12:28:07 wait, less than a week 12:28:25 no dpeg, that's more than 3 years 12:28:35 less than a week is the darker shade of blue 12:29:03 you should see that 45% have played more than three years 12:29:12 and less than a week is 1.2% 12:29:19 ah, I see 12:29:30 the 2012 survey had 5735 replies 12:29:35 oh, cool 12:29:55 yeah, I forget which day this survey opened 12:30:00 oh it was right on 0.19.1 12:30:04 %git 0.19.1 12:30:04 07gammafunk02 * 0.19.1: Update the debian changelog for 0.19.0 and 0.19.1 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4efbe43a2758 12:30:23 so two weeks, 1200, maybe 2500 by end of december 12:30:33 then it probably continues tapering off 12:30:44 if we keep it open 6 mo, we'll probably get to that 12:30:54 maybe even significantly more 12:31:07 dpeg: I'll invite you to the korean and jp ones as well 12:31:32 fleugma (L22 DrBe) ASSERT(you.see_cell(target())) in 'directn.cc' at line 1160 failed. (Depths:2) 12:32:40 gammafunk: well, and we did it 12:32:44 after* the tournament 12:33:05 yes, although that's kind of nice for fairness to offline 12:33:47 getting to around 5k seems nice, obviously still only a fraction of the actual player-base 12:34:39 especially since the offline responses are now close to the online responses numbers-wise 12:34:58 !kw month 12:34:59 Keyword: month => end>${now()-interval('31d')} 12:35:40 !lg * end>${now()-interval('186d')} x=cdist(name) 12:35:47 859511 games for * (end>${now()-interval('186d')}): cdist(name)=15195 12:36:21 hrm, if about 50% of that 5700 was online players 12:36:37 !calc 2500.0 / 15000 12:36:37 0.17 12:37:24 !kw year 12:37:24 Keyword: year => end>${now()-interval('365d')} 12:37:56 !lg * end>${now()-interval('1095')} x=cdist(name) 12:37:57 108 games for * (end>${now()-interval('1095')}): cdist(name)=43 12:38:04 !lg * end>${now()-interval('1095d')} x=cdist(name) 12:38:16 gammafunk: turnout should be much bigger than back then, because of JP/KR access 12:38:29 would be good if someone over there would periodically announce the survey 12:38:36 3805499 games for * (end>${now()-interval('1095d')}): cdist(name)=47795 12:38:42 well both servers have it on their lobbies 12:39:00 and it was posted in the kr forum that most players their visit 12:39:45 dpeg: the jp community is quite small, and while kr is itself a large communit, it's only about the size of cao or cbro 12:40:09 so probably a more dominant factor is just general growth of the playerbase 12:40:25 ah, ok 12:40:29 the kr survey has about 1/10 of the responses of the en survey 12:40:33 need to expand in Asia!! 12:40:35 maybe they represent 10% of player base 12:41:10 !lg * year x=cdist(name) / cwz 12:41:26 398259/1583107 games for * (year): cdist(name)=4022/23633 (17.02%) 12:41:35 maybe more than 10% 12:41:47 a sizable community all the same 12:41:48 dpeg: i feel like there's a limited audience for an english-only roguelike in asia. 12:42:24 the asian online servers do have a bunch of hacks to translate parts of the games 12:42:33 limited, sure, but the absolute numbers are much bigger :) 12:43:04 it seems a sizable fraction of the cwz players use that "full" kr translation hack 12:43:51 oh, i hadn't heard of one! 12:44:05 -!- schnakseli has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:44:16 yeah it's mostly all in korean 12:44:24 I think it's pretty hacky though, like the sound thing 12:46:00 heh 12:46:18 hey have special k_0.10 and k_0.12 versions 12:46:20 hard to get hackier than that 12:46:34 (than the sound hack) 12:47:24 I guess galehar would be happy to see that... 12:47:31 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:47:49 asciiphillia said he would have time around now to try to make some PRs to extend things in webtiles, but we'll have to see 12:48:51 kr server really believes in having every old version available 12:49:05 they are so tired of 'removezook' 12:49:11 gammafunk: do you know if they're aware of forks, such as hellcrawl? 12:49:31 I bet very few have heard of hellcrawl, since it's so new 12:49:50 oh 12:49:59 they're playing the publicchat..thing? 12:50:03 it has 36 spectators... 12:50:44 sorry, the what? 12:50:58 Is there anything specific that people from different regions can do to help popularise the game? 12:51:10 I'm based on Spain for example, although I don't have any online presence 12:51:22 PleasingFungus: whatever the hell this is, it is very weird: http://webzook.net:8080/#watch-PublicChatTest 12:51:40 SteelNeuron: not really, don't think so 12:52:04 asciiphilia is testing some new creation of his, I guess 12:52:37 no idea what it does though 12:54:49 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54:56 looks a bit like ##crawl 12:55:26 yeah, no idea, I'll have to ask him next time I see him 12:58:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:11 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:47 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 13:08:48 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:20:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0.2/20161129173726]] 13:43:47 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:46 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:47:19 haha, tabstorm calling for removal of all conjurations and summonings 13:47:50 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 13:49:06 -!- xnavy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:57:26 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:27 I wonder when the removal meme will end 14:01:33 survey announced in r/roguelikes 14:01:47 dpeg: that was a meme post, I think 14:02:45 how many respondents do we have for the current survey thus far? 14:03:08 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:59 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-265-gfcc40cc: permanent shattering for normal weapons 10(34 minutes ago, 8 files, 39842+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fcc40cc9ad4c 14:04:59 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-266-gc3fde28: Screen update on afterimage 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3fde28b3ead 14:04:59 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-267-ga08f7ae: Small martial attack fixes 10(16 minutes ago, 5 files, 9+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a08f7ae2ac9c 14:04:59 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-268-gbe2b654: Divine weapon halo and length 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be2b65485f6d 14:05:43 gammafunk: hard to say for me. But tabstorm was the buy unironically calling for Crawl rewrite, so I won't give him benefit of the doubt. 14:06:08 Brannock: 1209 14:06:11 nice! 14:06:41 wonder if we'll break 2k by 2017 14:07:31 1209 after a bit less than 2 weeks, so quite good chance 14:07:40 only been up 13 days 14:07:43 Brannock: plus 24 from Japan and 107 from Korea 14:07:56 oh I forgot it went up several days after tournament 14:07:59 yeah that's evne better then 14:08:02 about 80-90 a day 14:08:10 gammafunk: yes, absolutely. If you're aware of general RL discussion places: always a good idea to drop the link. 14:08:48 hrm, I know of an RL discussion place I can drop the link 14:09:17 Hey ##crawl-dev, take the player survey: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/dcss-player-survey 14:09:32 dpeg: done! 14:09:53 :) 14:09:56 now time to sit back and collect my comission 14:10:11 *commision 14:10:15 **commission 14:10:26 !blame comision 14:10:26 I pronounce comision... Guilty! 14:10:33 !blame2 comision 14:10:33 cccooommmiiisssiiiooonnn 14:10:39 that's the one 14:10:43 is rec/games/roguelikes still going? 14:10:56 Brannock: don't think so 14:11:00 the usenet group? I think it's basically dead 14:11:11 rip 14:11:24 I'll have a look at RogueBasin 14:11:36 there's that indie game award thing going on 14:11:53 we talked about having a proper entry for that the last time, but I don't think we got around to i 14:11:56 t 14:12:09 hm, Temple of the Roguelike seems busy enough, will post the survey there 14:12:27 gammafunk: we're too big to having to do that =) 14:13:38 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:40 does this mean we all get christmas bonuses this year? 14:15:29 |amethyst: best_effort_brightnen_background=false might be a good idea for the same sanity reason given by "dos_use_background_intensity" 14:16:46 gf, you're getting a 75% bonus 14:17:01 !lg * status~~sleep 14:17:03 31. lovekoma the Blocker (L12 FoFi of Okawaru), slain by a yak on Lair:4 on 2016-12-06 13:15:59, with 18025 points after 15390 turns and 0:31:35. 14:17:08 excellent.. 14:17:13 !lg * status~~sleep -2 14:17:14 30/31. stickyfingers the Bludgeoner (L14 TeEn of Qazlal), slain by a dream sheep on Lair:5 on 2016-12-04 18:09:29, with 45229 points after 22445 turns and 1:24:48. 14:20:27 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-418-g1c2cc0d: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into council_god 10(5 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c2cc0d2b709 14:21:30 gammafunk: a bonus removal for free! 14:24:04 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 14:34:24 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36:53 forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=5228.0 14:38:52 do they post about DCSS there? 14:39:25 rarely, but I think most people there know of DCSS, many will have tried it at some point... so good survey material 14:46:02 In the monster damage update, the monster damage is displayed something like this: "This monster can hit for X damage, plus the damage of its (weapon)." While an improvement, and allowing players to know their max damage without needing sequell (provided they have memorized or are willing to lookup weapon base damage via (?), why not instead display "This monster does X damage, plus the damage from 14:46:13 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-419-g579eafb: Fix missing on-equip effects and weapon identification 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/579eafb7130a 14:46:16 its (weapon) Y"? 14:46:56 I guess this leaves out the enchantment part of the weapon damage 14:47:34 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:31 Brannock: oh, and the subforum I posted the survey in is explicitly called "Major Roguelikes (Nethack, ADOM, Crawl, ToME)", so it definitely fits. 14:49:38 Ah, okay 14:49:43 Was worried about coming off as advertising 14:51:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:40 as an anarchist, athiest and rebel to all that is corporate and fake i have to announce i will not be taking the survey this time around for because of the google signup. i would like to request a paper copy to be mailed or faxed to one of you number processors 14:53:46 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 14:56:34 -!- anubisbafoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:44 any chance someone can ??rebuild councilgod-PR? There's a couple crash fixes that were bothering people playing now 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:13 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:01:41 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-420-geb9b46b: Fix unrandart weapon crash 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb9b46b0ef41 15:01:44 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:08:31 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:47 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:28 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 15:18:41 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:42 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:30 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:58 -!- WangHW has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:11 -!- bgiannan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:34:01 -!- duvessa has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:42:00 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:34 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 15:52:34 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:54:16 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:28 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:35 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:06 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:07 -!- dpeg has quit [Client Quit] 16:08:21 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:36 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:45 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:18:23 -!- Kadarus has quit [] 16:22:08 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:22:32 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:14 -!- bgiannan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:24:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:05 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:32 -!- vwvwvwv has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:35:14 dpeg, looks like there was some strangeness with PMs. I didn't mind the conversation corraling yesterday, but I'm curious to hear your stance on splitting the skill 16:35:36 Brannock: it's my really bad connection 16:35:42 I thought it seemed like a natural progression (if we were to stick with rods, that is), since rods were wieldable and other items aren't 16:35:53 s/were/required 16:36:09 (I was also afk earlier, so that's why I didn't reply until later) 16:36:34 I think the underlying problem is that we never had a well-defined scope for Evocations. 16:36:55 It started with wands and some miscellaneous items (stone of tremors, orb of power etc.) 16:37:05 oh, and cards 16:37:35 later on, this got massively extended with the second wave of misc.items and the rods (the first rods were introduced in 0.1) 16:38:25 One problem is that Evocations therefore provides access to very many powers/tool (damage, allies, hexes, buffs) for just one skill! 16:38:43 from this point of view you are right, splitting the skill is natural 16:39:27 but I think it is important to first re-consider what we really want from Evocations (before any split) 16:42:45 tempted to suggest they all get a spell school and use evo in place of spellcasting... 16:44:30 geekosaur: but there's still so much duplication... 16:44:52 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 16:45:44 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 16:49:42 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:31 how would you even split evocations up 16:55:18 -!- adelrune is now known as wwwpegronchu 16:55:23 ??c-r-d 16:55:23 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 16:56:34 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:25 -!- wwwpegronchu is now known as adelrune 16:58:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:17 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:02:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:02 -!- Tang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02:06 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:05:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:46 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 17:12:43 -!- werevolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:36 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:04 -!- duvessa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:28 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:24:54 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:25:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:28:00 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:29:53 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:52 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:36:07 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:38:05 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:38:31 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:41:22 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:21 Brannock: not sure how i feel about case insensive urls 17:47:21 alexjurkiewicz: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:47:25 !messages 17:47:26 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (6h 8m 12s ago): you and |amethyst have both suggested this before! 17:48:35 -!- Chakani has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49:40 alexjurkiewicz, well my name is Brannock on almost all servers except CJR 17:49:43